New manager thread

[stevy777_x]

3 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said:

Niko Kovac going to Wolfsburg though isn't he? 

You do know Kovac was a failure at Monaco yeah?

[Gurj]

Tough one this. For me Ralph is a coach, a number 2 and needs someone above him, or maybe, just maybe, he needs someone as his number 2. Either way, he is not doing well and I think part of that is for sure the poor coaching staff we have alongside him. I would like to see how he gets on with a decent number 2 with him, someone with defensive set up abilities, a few decent summer signings and then wait until November sort of time. 

I also think a major part of the problem is a lack of team leadership on the pitch. We have not got one. So, when they all go tits up there is no one out there to get them going again. A lot of it is down to Ralph tinkering and stuff no doubt, but I wonder what would happen if he had decent support, a team leader and a couple of better players. I am not 100% in the Ralph out camp just yet. We need to see what the new ownership set up brings us this summer.

[hypochondriac]

I am told we are having a bit of a staffing overhaul this summer. If we're keeping Ralph (as seems likely) will be interesting to see if this improves things. 

[Billy the Kidd]

52 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I am told we are having a bit of a staffing overhaul this summer. If we're keeping Ralph (as seems likely) will be interesting to see if this improves things. 

Yep, he can stand there on the touchline when it is all going wrong, looking equally as gormless as now, with different people in the background doing fuck all.

For this to work, Ralph I feel needs to relinquish his vice like grip on control, and be open to actually using the help.

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Yep, he can stand there on the touchline when it is all going wrong, looking equally as gormless as now, with different people in the background doing fuck all.

For this to work, Ralph I feel needs to relinquish his vice like grip on control, and be open to actually using the help.

We don't actually know what goes on behind the scenes TBF. I can't remember us ever having a team like this that can look like world beaters for a run of games and then utterly hopeless. We can see that the ability is there sometimes but it doesn't last. 

[Matthew Le God]

27 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Yep, he can stand there on the touchline when it is all going wrong, looking equally as gormless as now, with different people in the background doing fuck all.

For this to work, Ralph I feel needs to relinquish his vice like grip on control, and be open to actually using the help.

How do you know any of that?

[nta786]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

How do you know any of that?

How does anyone know exactly what things are behind the scene though?

It’s a forum, he can comment on what he perceives the backroom staff to act like.

We can argue his assistants aren’t doing enough or Ralph is stubborn based on our recent results.

All just his opinion, even if he didn’t use the words “I think” or “in my view’ explicitly (though he did use “I feel”)

Whenever the cameras pan to Ralph on the touchline it always seems like to me he only consults Richard and no one else. None of us will know what goes on in training but lately the form of lot of these players have dropped.

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, nta786 said:

How does anyone know exactly what things are behind the scene though?

It’s a forum, he can comment on what he perceives the backroom staff to act like.

We can argue his assistants aren’t doing enough or Ralph is stubborn based on our recent results.

All just his opinion, even if he didn’t use the words “I think” or “in my view’ explicitly (though he did use “I feel”)

Whenever the cameras pan to Ralph on the touchline it always seems like to me he only consults Richard and no one else. None of us will know what goes on in training but lately the form of lot of these players have dropped.

He said it as a claim.

[Far que]

Get Ange from Celtic...he’s so much better than the muppet ralph

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Far que said:

Get Ange from Celtic...he’s so much better than the muppet ralph

Based on what exactly? Winning a two horse league?

[Billy the Kidd]

39 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

How do you know any of that?

I was catching up on the forum early this am, and notice many times when you get Qd, you just disappear when you know you lost, instead of holding up your hands and accepting. You dont appear to be much of a man.

How do you know he doesnt have a vice like control grip - answer is, you dont, and i dont know he does. It’s called an opinion, and this is a forum for people to discuss stuff.

This is maybe the 2nd time in successive days you’ve posted that GIF, and it wasnt funny the first time. Maybe try a different approach if you want to debate with me, otherwise, dont bother.

And btw - i said “I feel” - that isnt a claim, as you have erroneously stated above - it is an opinion, in terms of how I feel about the situation, a claim is to make it appear substantively correct - so wrong again.

Edited 21 May, 2022 by Billy the Kidd

[Billy the Kidd]

43 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

We don't actually know what goes on behind the scenes TBF. I can't remember us ever having a team like this that can look like world beaters for a run of games and then utterly hopeless. We can see that the ability is there sometimes but it doesn't last. 

Of course, I was saying it tongue in cheek. And yep, weird how we can be Harlem Globe Trotters for a number of games then more like the Dog and Duck Sunday 11 for the remaining 30 games.

Interesting summer ahead, im looking forward to it, but not convinced Ralph will finish the following season.

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

I was catching up on the forum early this am, and notice many times when you get Qd, you just disappear when you know you lost, instead of holding up your hands and accepting. You dont appear to be much of a man.

How do you know he doesnt have a vice like control grip - answer is, you dont, and i dont know he does. It’s called an opinion, and this is a forum for people to discuss stuff.

This is maybe the 2nd time in successive days you’ve posted that GIF, and it wasnt funny the first time. Maybe try a different approach if you want to debate with me, otherwise, dont bother.

Please provide an example when I've 'disappeared after losing'?

You clearly don't understand definitions of burden of proof, evidence or opinion.

[Bob76]

15 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Please provide an example when I've 'disappeared after losing'?

You clearly don't understand definitions of burden of proof, evidence or opinion.

Wanker, and no I can't prove that.

[Badger]

13 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

You do know Kovac was a failure at Monaco yeah?

Not sure that was the case to be honest.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/10/monaco-sack-niko-kovac-unforced-error-ligue-1

Seems to have done a good job, improved players but struggled with the European fixtures etc as many of our teams do after qualification. Also appears to have ended with a bit of a fall out judging from the comments - or lack of - when he left Monaco.

[Badger]

42 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

You clearly don't understand definitions of burden of proof, evidence or opinion.

Not a prerequisite for a football forum though is it ?

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Based on what exactly? Winning a two horse league?

Agree with you on that, ridiculous to be touting this bloke after a single year at Celtic, and with Gerrard leaving Rangers this season not sure it was such a two horse race as some years. 

[badgerx16]

50 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

You clearly don't understand definitions of burden of proof, evidence or opinion.

Coming from you that is rich.

[S-Clarke]

51 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Please provide an example when I've 'disappeared after losing'?

You clearly don't understand definitions of burden of proof, evidence or opinion.

When you're proven to be wrong, you scuttle away and never come back with anything like a normal, well balanced individual would.

This little post is an example of what you do.

Fraser Forster - keep or let go - Page 5 - The Saints - SaintsWeb

 

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

When you're proven to be wrong, you scuttle away and never come back with anything like a normal, well balanced individual would.

This little post is an example of what you do.

Fraser Forster - keep or let go - Page 5 - The Saints - SaintsWeb

 

And here’s another one on this page.

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/57561-the-ralph-hasenhuttl-thread/page/127/

MLG erroneously stated that Ralph didn’t walk away early from his job at Leipzig. It was pointed out that this was an incorrect statement. No reply.

 

 

Edited 21 May, 2022 by The Kraken

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Yep, he can stand there on the touchline when it is all going wrong, looking equally as gormless as now, with different people in the background doing fuck all.

For this to work, Ralph I feel needs to relinquish his vice like grip on control, and be open to actually using the help.

Looking at all the automatisms we hear about that goes into our tactics, I wonder if a vice like grip is required to implement it, and maintain its focus. Also, a lot of successful managers have had autocratic approaches. On the flip side of that, when it goes wrong, they're out. Leading to...

1 hour ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Of course, I was saying it tongue in cheek. And yep, weird how we can be Harlem Globe Trotters for a number of games then more like the Dog and Duck Sunday 11 for the remaining 30 games.

Interesting summer ahead, im looking forward to it, but not convinced Ralph will finish the following season.

... We've managed multiple periods of cracking games, surrounded by dross. Normally, I'd expect it to never recover. The players not playing for the manager. the players have shown they are capable of regaining that form and are willing to keep playing for the manager. 

So is it that our tactics take ages to change to adapt from being found out? fatigue? That our tactics only work against certain teams? Just a lack of quality in implementing them?

Ideally we can get fresh ideas in and Ralph has to be able to take those on board, while still retaining that focus. Trickier than it seems when people's egos get involved. An upgrade for half the team would help him too. 🙂

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, Billy the Kidd said:

For this to work, Ralph I feel needs to relinquish his vice like grip on control, and be open to actually using the help.

That's an interesting view point and certainly something that may ring true.

This is someone who wants and has control of the playing style of all age groups, the plan he developed was intended for club wide not just for the 'first team'.  It feels as if this approach has littered the club with lots of 'yes men' coaches.

I'm not saying it's all a bad thing and I feel the younger age groups have certainly picked up this year, but it does sometimes cause a problem when things start going bad and as a club they are so invested into 'one man' at all levels, that's why it's almost impossible to sack him. The club have backed him to the hilt in the sense of the club wise philosophy, now they need to back him financially.

Edited 21 May, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Professor]

I have long been surprised at the number of fans who remain confident in Ralph, despite all the contrary evidence.  Escaping relegation by a narrow margin is not success in anyone's book.  One theory suggested to me after the takeover by Sport Republic is as follows:

At the time of the takeover, the team appeared to be safely in mid-table with ambition for  top half finish.  Although results started to deteriorate, Premier LKeague status still looked secure so there was no immediate need to replace the coaching staff.  A decision to replace Ralph could be postponed until the end of the season which would be a better time to appoint a successor with more choice of candidates available.  It did mean missing out on Eddie Howe, which was part of the price to pay.  If thios theory is correct, we might hear that Ralph has gone within the next few days. 

[S-Clarke]

40 minutes ago, Professor said:

I have long been surprised at the number of fans who remain confident in Ralph, despite all the contrary evidence.  Escaping relegation by a narrow margin is not success in anyone's book.  One theory suggested to me after the takeover by Sport Republic is as follows:

At the time of the takeover, the team appeared to be safely in mid-table with ambition for  top half finish.  Although results started to deteriorate, Premier LKeague status still looked secure so there was no immediate need to replace the coaching staff.  A decision to replace Ralph could be postponed until the end of the season which would be a better time to appoint a successor with more choice of candidates available.  It did mean missing out on Eddie Howe, which was part of the price to pay.  If thios theory is correct, we might hear that Ralph has gone within the next few days. 

I don't think that theory is correct at all. When we had that good run after the takeover was announced, he was being linked with Man Utd and other top clubs. What has happened since the end of Feb has been disastrous, but somewhat expected. Howe joined Newcastle at the end of Oct/Start of Nov I think, so long before our takeover was even a thing.

I'm ambitious as a fan and I want to see winning teams and progression, but at the same time I'm realistic and I realise at the moment we are nothing more than a lower mid-table/potential relegation candidate team due to the lack of quality in the team and investment over the past years. So on that basis you have to say that Ralph is doing what is expected, but he's doing so by getting us overachieving at certain points before returning to type. 

We've had many managers since Koeman. Pellegrino, Puel, Hughes, Ralph - and all of them have finished in and around the 40 points mark. Only Ralph has achieved over 50 points with this group, but average wise we finish mid-40's most seasons. What more do we expect with the players we have? Honest question.

We no longer have no consistent goal scorers, no one who can get 10 goals a season. We have no goals from the attacking midfield areas, we have no pace out wide. We have a terrible centre back and an aging DM with no replacement for him. When you look at it like that you have to say we're doing well to be where we are.

There are bright spots in Tino, JWP, KWP, Salisu which gives credence to the scouting over the last few years, but christ they need some help sooner rather than later.

Edited 21 May, 2022 by S-Clarke

[miserableoldgit]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think that theory is correct at all. When we had that good run after the takeover was announced, he was being linked with Man Utd and other top clubs. What has happened since the end of Feb has been disastrous, but somewhat expected. Howe joined Newcastle at the end of Oct/Start of Nov I think, so long before our takeover was even a thing.

I'm ambitious as a fan and I want to see winning teams and progression, but at the same time I'm realistic and I realise at the moment we are nothing more than a lower mid-table/potential relegation candidate team due to the lack of quality in the team and investment over the past years. So on that basis you have to say that Ralph is doing what is expected, but he's doing so by getting us overachieving at certain points before returning to type. 

We've had many managers since Koeman. Pellegrino, Puel, Hughes, Ralph - and all of them have finished in and around the 40 points mark. Only Ralph has achieved over 50 points with this group, but average wise we finish mid-40's most seasons. What more do we expect with the players we have? Honest question.

We no longer have no consistent goal scorers, no one who can get 10 goals a season. We have no goals from the attacking midfield areas, we have no pace out wide. We have a terrible centre back and an aging DM with no replacement for him. When you look at it like that you have to say we're doing well to be where we are.

There are bright spots in Tino, JWP, KWP, Salisu which gives credence to the scouting over the last few years, but christ they need some help sooner rather than later.

Some common sense.....and realism.

[Wade Garrett]

Ralph is shite.

Tactics - shite

Team selection - shite

Substitutions - shite

Man management - to be fair, I don’t know.  What I will say is that I don’t think this group of players would run through walls for him.

Results - shite

Performances - shite

Please tell me why the board would want to keep him.

Edited 21 May, 2022 by Wade Garrett

[Convict Colony]

Ralph without Danny Rohl is like Sonny without Cher (hopefully we dont ski into a tree though)

They used to watch the game together in the stadium after the match finished, they gave players individual reviews and training plans on some training camp (think tenerife) when they first started and seemed that Danny was treated as an equally important part of the managerial team.

After their break up ralph was the main man (with the 3 goalkeeping musketeers) for a bit before eventually they brought in Rich K who was predominantly a video analyst and we are the biggest team he's worked at.

I would spend money on getting an assistant coach Ralph values (remove Dave and Kelvin) and 1 younger uk coach (or promote within)

[sydenhamssocks]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Ralph without Danny Rohl is like Sonny without Cher (hopefully we dont ski into a tree though)

They used to watch the game together in the stadium after the match finished, they gave players individual reviews and training plans on some training camp (think tenerife) when they first started and seemed that Danny was treated as an equally important part of the managerial team.

After their break up ralph was the main man (with the 3 goalkeeping musketeers) for a bit before eventually they brought in Rich K who was predominantly a video analyst and we are the biggest team he's worked at.

I would spend money on getting an assistant coach Ralph values (remove Dave and Kelvin) and 1 younger uk coach (or promote within)

And not long ago Rohl was appointed assistant coach of the German national side. He’s no mug and may well have been the key to Ralph’s original plans. We’ll never know. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Rohl could well have been important to the roll out and training of RalphBall. But we have had good patches of form, since Rohl left. So we cI'dan do it without him. Of course Ralph could have brought in a life sized Rohl out, or had taped Rohl motivational speeches to replay for a while. 🙂

I agree we need someone of that level, who Ralph can work with without clashing, to support the squad's development. Or at least work away at planB, for use when Ralph's plan A doesn't work.

[DT]

4 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Ralph is shite.

Tactics - shite

Team selection - shite

Substitutions - shite

Man management - to be fair, I don’t know.  What I will say is that I don’t think this group of players would run through walls for him.

Results - shite

Performances - shite

Please tell me why the board would want to keep him.

Our finances - shite?

[Wade Garrett]

7 minutes ago, DT said:

Our finances - shite?

Our manager - shite

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Our manager - shite

Did you hold this view on 31st December 2020?

[Wade Garrett]

19 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Did you hold this view on 31st December 2020?

Fuck off weirdo

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

8 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Please provide an example when I've 'disappeared after losing'?

You clearly don't understand definitions of burden of proof, evidence or opinion.

Here's an example where you did exactly that. You spouted some bullshit and when you were proved wrong you disappeared 

 

[Streaky]

54 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Did you hold this view on 31st December 2020?

When we finish the season 15th or 16th do you think its because Ralph has done a good job. I certainly don't, add to that the appalling run we are on and the body language of certain players.

Players aren't fighting for him and it won't end well for us as a club if we persist with him and his black book of tactics.

[The Kraken]

35 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Here's an example where you did exactly that. You spouted some bullshit and when you were proved wrong you disappeared 

 

That’s three examples provided.

Still no comment…..

[Manuel]

6 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Ralph is shite.

Tactics - shite

Team selection - shite

Substitutions - shite

Man management - to be fair, I don’t know.  What I will say is that I don’t think this group of players would run through walls for him.

Results - shite

Performances - shite

Please tell me why the board would want to keep him.

Re-deploy him as Fitness Coach?

[Wade Garrett]

26 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Re-deploy him as Fitness Coach?

Coach driver maybe.

[nta786]

33 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

That’s three examples provided.

Still no comment…..

Did you provide those comments on 31st December 2020?

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Did you provide those comments on 31st December 2020?

Fuck off weirdo 😉

[ally_uk]

Take it to the bedroom ladies for duck sakes..... 

[MAY-Z]

15 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Based on what exactly? Winning a two horse league?

Have a look at his history. He is a winner 

 

cue people to say he hasn’t done it in a big league, but you can only do what you do where you are, I don’t care where he has done it, I care about the way he has done it and where he is going, every job he has taken has been a step up and every time he has been a success

[Gurj]

20 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Please provide an example when I've 'disappeared after losing'?

You clearly don't understand definitions of burden of proof, evidence or opinion.

You've just done it again, LOL.

[hypochondriac]

On 21/05/2022 at 08:17, hypochondriac said:

I am told we are having a bit of a staffing overhaul this summer. If we're keeping Ralph (as seems likely) will be interesting to see if this improves things. 

Told you. 

[The Cat]

35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Told you. 

Told them first 😉

 

[S-Clarke]

Interesting that the feeling is that Ralph is resistant to it, I assume he doesn't want to see good people lose their jobs but surely he appreciates he needs some competent support around him, as it's simply not working. I'm sure he'd have loved to have replaced Rohl a few years back but we couldn't afford to do it.

Richard is just an analyst really, not a coach.

Edited 25 May, 2022 by S-Clarke

[The Cat]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Interesting that the feeling is that Ralph is resistant to it, I assume he doesn't want to see good people lose their jobs but surely he appreciates he needs some competent support around him, as it's simply not working. I'm sure he'd have loved to have replaced Rohl a few years back but we couldn't afford to do it.

Richard is just an analyst really, not a coach.

I'm not sure what the reason for the resistance was, sadly the conversation I had didn't include that part. Most of the occasional info I get is very much second hand so is also reliant on my mate repeating what he was told correctly!

[danjosaint]

More likely as Ralph appears a stubborn arsehole he's had it far to easy and doesn't like the fact the new coaches will probably at points tread on his toes and will mean he'll have to listen to another voice 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

17 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

More likely as Ralph appears a stubborn arsehole he's had it far to easy and doesn't like the fact the new coaches will probably at points tread on his toes and will mean he'll have to listen to another voice 

The worry is that those other voices will dilute the focused, driven instructions Ralph gives, resulting in an unskilled looking team bereft of ideas and confidence. 🙂

[Sheaf Saint]

Might as well lock this thread now. With the coaches being let go but Ralph not, he's obviously here to stay for the foreseeable.