New manager thread

[saint1977]

Time to do it - Thank you Ralph and you’ve managed under some very tough circumstances but this latest run cannot be excused by injuries or squad depth, he’s frustrated and the players have totally lost any sense of guidance under him.

This thread is only for suggestions on names for the new manager. There’s already a thread about Ralph and the discussion can carry on there about whether he should go, although it would take complacency and laziness of Les Reed proportions not to act after this latest non performance. Players are limited but clearly not lifting a leg for him.

Who should the caretaker be for Leicester and Liverpool? Bounce might see cause an upset at Leicester and still need a point at least from somewhere.

Some experienced managers available - Benitez etc, and I’d overlook the Everton experience, that would have been like Lawrie at Fratton, never going to work. Knows the league and can seal up the back and midfield. Contacts to get some quality loans to help with the total squad rebuild.

If Forest don’t win the play offs, Steve Cooper my top choice. Knows how to manage a younger squad and Forest were on a horrible run and reverse momentum when he joined, he could revive SFC. He might want to stay at a big club and get them automatic next year though with full houses at the City Ground. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Wiggles31]

I could genuinely give Dyche a go. Make us defend ugly and hard to beat. We need to build from the back. Think he has a point to prove with more resources/better players (if the new owners truly back us in the window). 

[Micky]

I think that any new manager would have to work largely with what we already have, don't think that the new owners will be 'investing' much into this team. 

[RedArmy]

Thomas Frank 

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Thomas Frank 

Could be worth a try. Saints can offer bigger personnel wages, a bigger wage budget for players and hopefully a bigger transfer budget than he has at Brentford. Plus there is the Rasmus Ankersen connection....

Edited 7 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Wiggles31 said:

I could genuinely give Dyche a go. Make us defend ugly and hard to beat. We need to build from the back. Think he has a point to prove with more resources/better players (if the new owners truly back us in the window). 

Absolutely terrible idea on a par with appointing Mark Hughes. No thanks. 

[LGTL]

Steve Cooper. 

[saint1977]

8 minutes ago, Wiggles31 said:

I could genuinely give Dyche a go. Make us defend ugly and hard to beat. We need to build from the back. Think he has a point to prove with more resources/better players (if the new owners truly back us in the window). 

He’s a free agent which the club tend to like. Jokanovic probably another option although that’s maybe a lazy suggestion by me given our owner is also Serbian.

Why didn’t Favre join Palace in the end? Leeds’ manager Jesse Marsch was the sort of appointment I could have seen the club going for otherwise, a pragmatic and younger Ralph. Rudi Garcia will probably come up again but that would have been post Ronald if at all. Can’t see him dropping to join Saints. 

 

 

Edited 7 May, 2022 by saint1977

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Thomas Frank 

The man who was level on points with us this morning, with a squad containing Eriksen and Toney?

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Absolutely terrible idea on a par with appointing Mark Hughes. No thanks. 

Hughes is a football dinosaur... Dyche isn't currently one. But may end up one in about 5- 10 years.

[Ekelund]

Koeman, get it done. Oxford st would be pleased 

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

The man who was level on points with us this morning, with a squad containing Eriksen and Toney?

With a newly promoted team, on a smaller wage and transfer budget.

[Ekelund]

Scratch that. Incoming Holland manager post wc

[RedArmy]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

The man who was level on points with us this morning, with a squad containing Eriksen and Toney?

How many games has Eriksen played? 

[Saint_clark]

11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Could be worth a try. Saints can offer bigger personnel wages, a bigger wage budget for players and hopefully a bigger transfer budget than he has at Brentford. Plus there is the Rasmus Ankersen connection....

Brentford will have a bigger transfer budget than us this summer, they have a lot more saleable assets than us.

Edited 7 May, 2022 by Saint_clark

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

1) Brentford will have a bigger transfer budget than us this summer, 2) they have a lot more saleable assets than us.

1) That judgement can't really be made given the lack of indication as to what Sport Republic will do

2) I very much doubt that to be true

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[saint lard]

17 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Thomas Frank 

Been my favourite for a very long time. 
including his tenure in the Championship. 

[Bad Wolf]

Nobody realistically available would excite me tbh. I think we should have gone for Gerrard and as much as I like Thomas Frank, he's actually doing a worse job at Brentford than Paul Jewell did with Wigan in their first season up. Not saying he's worse than Jewell but I haven't seen enough of him to make me desperate to bring him in.

[Tanlee]

Unlikely now  but maybe if Newcastle decide to  going higher profile than Eddie Howe? Or take a chance on a Gary Rowett or similar. Preferably a manager who can combine good defending and going forward in a positive way.

[Teddeer]

Bring back Poch 🙂

[manji]

Bearing in mind Sports Republic we’re watching us for a while and the way they operate I would suspect they have someone lined up.

I think a few underestimate the way they operate. I can’t see them fucking around all summer. If Ralph goes they will move quickly. 

a good time to get another manager in. 

 

[Wade Garrett]

Steve Cooper

[Wiggles31]

26 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Absolutely terrible idea on a par with appointing Mark Hughes. No thanks. 

I mean I laughed when West Ham gave Moyes the job and look at them. Same ilk of manager as Dyche. Can’t say I’d desperately want to employ a manager such as Dyche. I’m just so sick of being rolled over so easily most weeks. Defensively we’ve been shocking ever since Fonte left. 

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

Steve Cooper

Would possibly require him failing in the playoffs. 

[DT]

I guess as he’s been allowed to do media they won’t sack him tonight. But they should have done ages ago. 

Edited 7 May, 2022 by DT

[Nordic Saint]

I don't suppose there's any chance of getting Giovanni van Bronckhorst? He might fancy managing in the Premier League, although he'd probably choose a bigger club than Saints.

[Lighthouse]

46 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

How many games has Eriksen played? 

9, which is exactly 9 games more than he's played for us and enough for Brentford to score 19 points.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

11 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

I don't suppose there's any chance of getting Giovanni van Bronckhorst? He might fancy managing in the Premier League, although he'd probably choose a bigger club than Saints.

The Ross Wilson connection! 🙂

As Sports Republic seem to like The Southampton Way (such as it is recently)

New person has to transition young talent at the end of their academy time at other clubs into our senior squad - Livramento.

Young talent not at the stage of breaking into the first team at larger clubs - KWP & Broja.

Nab top young talent before it goes off to the Bundesliga, a la Sancho/ Bellingham.

Look at using our own Academy to highlight The Pathway to potential recruits from other clubs. - Looking at your Balllards and Diblings it seems, as not too many others breaking through.

Possibly employ an analytics involved style of play involving automisms etc. working hand in hand with/ taking advantage of the criteria used in recruiting players that may be off other players radar.

Probably on a restricted budget, and looking to sell on the top talent for a profit, although some of that will be invested back into the squad to develop strength and quality of the next sales. If we manage a player clear out in the summer, the wage bill will be lowered significantly. But I'd not expect us to be buying in proven Premier League players on similar wagers to replace any of them.

So if not Frank, it could be the latest off the German coaching conveyor belt. Although they were getting so young, we may aslo be hiring their mum who pushes their pram.

 

[Lighthouse]

53 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

With a newly promoted team, on a smaller wage and transfer budget.

So Bednarek, Armstrong, Moi, Walcott, Long and Djenepo are better players because they've been in this league longer and we pay them more?

[Baird of the land]

Not saying Dyche would be my preference but wouldn't be howling in outrage at the notion given how soft saints currently are.

In the championship Cooper looks good(if Forest stay down). Wilder is also a decent manager.

[MarkSFC]

He does need to go now. I suspect that the owners/board have someone lined up and likely someone most of us have never heard of. Probably from a lesser league but one who is proving his worth and has skills within development. But I feel we need someone who is a big more match savvy than just a developer. 

Anyway, change now and give then a few weeks longer to get ready for next season. 

[nta786]

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik
 

Lots of options here. I reckon Nuno could be a good fit, might have some good contacts, though club may not like his links to Mendes given we pay some of the lowest agent fees in the Prem.

Also as a PL club I see no reason why we couldn’t pay enough to entice Rudi Garcia or a Favre in the £8m region. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Wiggles31 said:

I could genuinely give Dyche a go. Make us defend ugly and hard to beat. We need to build from the back. Think he has a point to prove with more resources/better players (if the new owners truly back us in the window). 

21st Century Branfoot. No, thanks.

[Matthew Le God]

17 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So Bednarek, Armstrong, Moi, Walcott, Long and Djenepo are better players because they've been in this league longer and we pay them more?

So are you now saying Hasenhuttl doesn't have as good tools to work with compared to Frank?

[Whitey Grandad]

I really don’t care any more. I’m already on the beach.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

So are you now saying Hasenhuttl doesn't have as good tools to work with compared to Frank?

He has a world class creative player and a reliable enough, double figures goal getter. We have nothing remotely close to either, so yes, I am saying that. Unless you believe our top class defenders and ‘keeper should supersede those players, relative to Brentford?

[Ex Lion Tamer]

24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So Bednarek, Armstrong, Moi, Walcott, Long and Djenepo are better players because they've been in this league longer and we pay them more?

Let's see how Brentford do next season. They might get found out in their second season just like Leeds, Sheffield United and many others

[nta786]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He has a world class creative player and a reliable enough, double figures goal getter. We have nothing remotely close to either, so yes, I am saying that. Unless you believe our top class defenders and ‘keeper should supersede those players, relative to Brentford?

You’re only saying that because Thomas Frank’s made Eriksen and Toney look good.

At this moment in time I don’t think Eriksen would look creative, and Toney wouldn’t look a “reliable double figures goal getter” if both were under Ralph. 
 

I struggle to think where Eriksen would fit in with Ralph’s 4222.

Edited 7 May, 2022 by nta786

[Ex Lion Tamer]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) That judgement can't really be made given the lack of indication as to what Sport Republic will do

Haven't they made it pretty clear that there won't be extra money to spend, just a bit of extra liquidity to allow us to buy earlier?

[ecurnew02]

13 minutes ago, nta786 said:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik
 

Lots of options here. I reckon Nuno could be a good fit, might have some good contacts, though club may not like his links to Mendes given we pay some of the lowest agent fees in the Prem.

Also as a PL club I see no reason why we couldn’t pay enough to entice Rudi Garcia or a Favre in the £8m region. 

André Villas-Boas would be great pickup from a tactical standpoint but he had a weird ending with Marseille so maybe not 

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Haven't they made it pretty clear that there won't be extra money to spend, just a bit of extra liquidity to allow us to buy earlier?

I don't believe they've worded it like that.

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Let's see how Brentford do next season. They might get found out in their second season just like Leeds, Sheffield United and many others

You’re right, that could well happen. So why would you want to swap that manager for one who has avoided relegation for four consecutive years?

[Billy the Kidd]

20 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I really don’t care any more. I’m already on the beach.

Put a towel down for me please.

[Badger]

1 hour ago, RedArmy said:

Thomas Frank 

Has been mentioned on here regularly, St Lard especially has been a key supporter. I say the same thing every time though that part of his success has been the recruitment at Brentford and I'd rather we try and attract that or emulate their success.

19 minutes ago, nta786 said:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik
 

Lots of options here. I reckon Nuno could be a good fit, might have some good contacts, though club may not like his links to Mendes given we pay some of the lowest agent fees in the Prem.

Also as a PL club I see no reason why we couldn’t pay enough to entice Rudi Garcia or a Favre in the £8m region. 

Nuno - I think his success at Wolves was largely down to the relationship the club had with the agent, and though he might struggle without it. Can't read too much into his time at Spurs though.

Didn't Garcia turn us down before ? Think it was at the time Puel was appointed.

1 hour ago, manji said:

Bearing in mind Sports Republic we’re watching us for a while and the way they operate I would suspect they have someone lined up.

I think a few underestimate the way they operate. I can’t see them fucking around all summer. If Ralph goes they will move quickly. 

a good time to get another manager in. 

 

we've no idea how they will operate, time to find out I suppose.

[Mr Saints]

Ange Postecoglu or Steve Cooper

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

So if not Frank, it could be the latest off the German coaching conveyor belt.

 

Any names ?

One name on another thread, Bo Svennson , at Mainz. Danish incidentally. 

Questionable though if we are a good career move. Without some £ to spend we're not such an attractive proposition.

[manji]

Knew very little about Steve Cooper. Has quite a list of coaching jobs . His method of coaching is quite radical and he seems to fit in with our philosophy.

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, Badger said:

Any names ?

One name on another thread, Bo Svennson , at Mainz. Danish incidentally. 

Questionable though if we are a good career move. Without some £ to spend we're not such an attractive proposition.

An interesting read...

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/01/bo-svensson-gatecrashing-the-bundesliga/

[SNSUN]

Nuno Espírito Santo seeing as we’d only bring a manager in who isn’t employed elsewhere. Apparently he lacks man management skills but that might be a good thing with our lot. They need a good bollocking not a cuddle.

[Matthew Le God]

I doubt it would be any of these and may be a more up and coming manager from Europe, but these are all out of a job...

Nuno Espirito Santo

Lucien Favre

Paulo Fonseca

André Villas-Boas

Ernesto Valverde

Throw Hasenhuttl's reported £6m of £7m per year and a PL job at them and their agent and you might tempt them.

I wonder if we'd be interested in Bo Svennson at Mainz...

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/01/bo-svensson-gatecrashing-the-bundesliga/

Lazy Danish connection with Rasmus Ankerson.