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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 02/05/2022 at 15:33, Lighthouse said:

Yes.

He has got it right, we’ve avoided relegation for four successive seasons.

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No, we've avoided relegation from this league for 10 seasons. Achieving what is a bare minimum requirement every season with the occasional capitulation isn't some miracle only Ralph can attain.

We've shown we can beat strong teams on our day. We were in a strong position to achieve top 10 a few weeks ago but just when it looks like we're about to kick on, we regress again. Now it will likely be a bottom 5 finish because we regularly lose to teams below us. It feels like we lose more to teams below us than we win! Narrowly missing out is one thing but we just lose all fight.

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kevdoh

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  On 01/05/2022 at 18:07, trousers said:

You've got to look at it from the doom-and-gloom brigade's point of view though.... The worst-case-scenario will inevitably come true one season and then they get to play their "told you so" cards and pat themselves on the back for being so insightful...

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Remember dalek predicting us 17th every season and it happened eventually. He thought he was mystic meg when it did

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RedWillie

RedWillie

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  On 01/05/2022 at 19:19, SNSUN said:

Richarlison could be suspended for 3 games for flinging that flare into the crowd after his goal. Massive loss for them. Prick. 

 

 

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Wouldn't bank on it, it was into an empty section of the stand and Everton claim he was moving it from the pitch.

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 02/05/2022 at 16:14, Disco Stu said:

No, we've avoided relegation from this league for 10 seasons. Achieving what is a bare minimum requirement every season with the occasional capitulation isn't some miracle only Ralph can attain

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Never have I claimed it was. Adkins, Poch and Koeman all did an excellent job whilst they were here.

  On 02/05/2022 at 16:14, Disco Stu said:

We've shown we can beat strong teams on our day. We were in a strong position to achieve top 10 a few weeks ago but just when it looks like we're about to kick on, we regress again. Now it will likely be a bottom 5 finish because we regularly lose to teams below us. It feels like we lose more to teams below us than we win! Narrowly missing out is one thing but we just lose all fight.

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Chelsea and Man United have just lost to a team in the bottom three. City and Liverpool lost to Palace and Leicester respectively. Spurs could get into the Champions League losing at home to Wolves, Saints and Brighton, plus their own trip to Burnley. Where does our divine right not to lose to these teams come from?

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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  On 02/05/2022 at 16:14, egg said:

Lighten up? I'm genuinely amazed that any self respecting fan would hope to make money from his teams relegation, and think that acceptable. Each to their own, but for me, its all kinds of wrong. 

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I wouldn't do it, (because I don't like losing money), but I'm guessing that any self respecting Saints fan betting on us getting relegated is hoping to lose his/her money, and just doing it as an insurance bet to soften the blow if the unlikely happens.

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egg

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  On 02/05/2022 at 18:59, Dark Munster said:

I wouldn't do it, (because I don't like losing money), but I'm guessing that any self respecting Saints fan betting on us getting relegated is hoping to lose his/her money, and just doing it as an insurance bet to soften the blow if the unlikely happens.

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I've never met a gambler yet who who hopes to lose his/her money...that defeats the object. 

Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 02/05/2022 at 18:52, Lighthouse said:

Adkins, Poch and Koeman all did an excellent job whilst they were here.

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I totally agree. Adkins goes without saying. Pochettino and Koeman cemented our Premier League status with some great top half finishes.

  On 02/05/2022 at 18:52, Lighthouse said:

Where does our divine right not to lose to these teams come from?

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I never said we had a divine right to beat anyone. Perhaps the players think we do I don't know.  What I'm saying is he has proven himself capable of putting a team together to beat Spurs, Arsenal also avoiding defeat to city twice ect, yet we're still likely to finish bottom 5. I want him to succeed I really do and when he does I openly praise him for it. He's likable and when he selects the right team in the right shape we play some great football. I'm not sure he's done that these last few weeks so I'm criticising him for it. It just feels like he tries to fix things that aren't broken sometimes and tries to be too clever for his own good. It's costing us a strong finish this season.

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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  On 02/05/2022 at 19:18, egg said:

I've never met a gambler yet who who hopes to lose his/her money...that defeats the object. 

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Normally, of course. But not when they're betting on their own team's relegation. That's what many of them say, anyway.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 02/05/2022 at 19:18, egg said:

I've never met a gambler yet who who hopes to lose his/her money...that defeats the object. 

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It is not something I've ever done or would ever do, but it is not unusual for people to place 'insurance bets' on their own team to fail.

If their team wins or stays up great, if they lose or go down then you gain financially which at least is a positive in a bad situation. 

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Sunglasses Ron

Sunglasses Ron

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  On 02/05/2022 at 20:58, Matthew Le God said:

It is not something I've ever done or would ever do, but it is not unusual for people to place 'insurance bets' on their own team to fail.

If their team wins or stays up great, if they lose or go down then you gain financially which at least is a positive in a bad situation. 

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100% this.  Like I said last season, a sneaky insurance bet at long odds covers a trip to Vegas for the mother of all 'we've just been relegated' benders 🙂

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nta786

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  On 02/05/2022 at 20:58, Matthew Le God said:

It is not something I've ever done or would ever do, but it is not unusual for people to place 'insurance bets' on their own team to fail.

If their team wins or stays up great, if they lose or go down then you gain financially which at least is a positive in a bad situation. 

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Yep.

Also for when people say "I would  pay £1,000 to see Southampton win this game", in which case placing a £1,000 bet on your own team is one way of putting your money where your mouth is.

Baird of the land

Baird of the land

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  On 03/05/2022 at 10:03, DT said:

150-1 if anyone's interested.

Think we might scrape one more point. But bloody hell.

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I'm hopeful we'll get at least 1 point from here in. I do feel the we can lose every game brigade are a bit overconfident of Arsenal/Chelsea being incapable of dropping a point to a lesser team despite recent evidence to the contrary.

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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  On 03/05/2022 at 10:59, waylander said:

Really? I do this with most Saints games.

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Me too.

Won £50 on Saturday because I could see that Palace result coming a mile off. My only regret is that I didn't stake more on it, because that late winner was so inevitable.

JRM

JRM

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  On 03/05/2022 at 10:59, waylander said:

Really? I do this with most Saints games.

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I tend to only bet against Saints once we've taken the lead in games, pays out far more often than I would like , Palace were 9/1 when I back them on Saturday 

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John Boy Saint

John Boy Saint

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  On 03/05/2022 at 12:35, Sheaf Saint said:

Me too.

Won £50 on Saturday because I could see that Palace result coming a mile off. My only regret is that I didn't stake more on it, because that late winner was so inevitable.

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As an aside - someone played a blinder with a 60p stake on a 16 game accumulator over the weekend - pocketed just over £150,000.  

DT

DT

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  On 03/05/2022 at 12:35, Sheaf Saint said:

Me too.

Won £50 on Saturday because I could see that Palace result coming a mile off. My only regret is that I didn't stake more on it, because that late winner was so inevitable.

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Me too. Would still have rather Saints clung on. But it’s easy money

Saint86

Saint86

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  On 03/05/2022 at 12:36, JRM said:

I tend to only bet against Saints once we've taken the lead in games, pays out far more often than I would like , Palace were 9/1 when I back them on Saturday 

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You're missing out. I tend to bet on us to draw or win, then cash out when we're winning. And bet on the opposition to draw or win. 

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Saint Troy

Saint Troy

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  On 03/05/2022 at 12:51, John Boy Saint said:

As an aside - someone played a blinder with a 60p stake on a 16 game accumulator over the weekend - pocketed just over £150,000.  

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I know what you mean, but cant help feeling sorry for them that the one time they win at 250,000/1 they only put 60p on it! 

Super_Uwe

Super_Uwe

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Burnley and Leeds will both be on 37 points if they win their game in hand.

Everton will be on 38 points if they win their two games in hand.

So all things equal, we would be 3 points clear of 18th with 3 matches left.

Leeds have a significantly worse GD than the other teams, so they are effectively a further point adrift.

So we're almost there, but I personally feel 40 pts will be far too close for comfort. A draw against Brentford will suit both teams tbh. 

  

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Sunglasses Ron

Sunglasses Ron

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  On 03/05/2022 at 14:25, Super_Uwe said:

Burnley and Leeds will both be on 37 points if they win their game in hand.

Everton will be on 38 points if they win their two games in hand.

So all things equal, we would be 3 points clear of 18th with 3 matches left.

Leeds have a significantly worse GD than the other teams, so they are effectively a further point adrift.

So we're almost there, but I personally feel 40 pts will be far too close for comfort. A draw against Brentford will suit both teams tbh. 

  

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Yeah, there is only a tiny chance of us going down, but also a moderate chance of us not being mathematically safe come final day.  I'm sure we all agree that we could definitely do without that being the case and it will hopefully provide a modicum of motivation to the team against Brentford.

Hard to believe that we're even having to have a conversation about this when you consider where we were a few months ago.  Good old Saints FFS!

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JRM

JRM

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  On 03/05/2022 at 14:41, Sunglasses Ron said:

Yeah, there is only a tiny chance of us going down, but also a moderate chance of us not being mathematically safe come final day.  I'm sure we all agree that we could definitely do without that being the case and it will hopefully provide a modicum of motivation to the team against Brentford.

Hard to believe that we're even having to have a conversation about this when you consider where we were a few months ago.  Good old Saints FFS!

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Something I've considered when considering going to Leicester away, potentially a flat end of season game with nothing at stake or could be an important relegation survival 

Guest

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  On 03/05/2022 at 12:35, Sheaf Saint said:

Me too.

Won £50 on Saturday because I could see that Palace result coming a mile off. My only regret is that I didn't stake more on it, because that late winner was so inevitable.

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I’ve won a few hundred quid this season betting against Saints. They’re just too predictable 🤣

Stud mark of doom

Stud mark of doom

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If results over the remaining games replicates the sides’ recent form over the same number of games -

Burnley - 44

Saints - 41

Leeds and Everton - 39

Would suggest it could be a “high points to survive” season.

Unfortunately I suspect the very high price on saints to be relegated might reflect the lack of money on us versus the other sides over the season. Feels more like a 33/1 or 50/1 to me. 

 

John B

John B

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I think we have every chance of getting relegated not this season perhaps but next if we lose JWP and do not replace him and Broja with proper PL players

 

Next season we cannot assume that the promoted teams will not get relegated like I did this season with Brentford that said they could still go down like us

Mr Saints

Mr Saints

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Relax everyone, I did one of those score predictors this morning and basically entered the worst possible outcome for each fixture, we end up staying up on goal difference above Leeds.  You're welcome.

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Sarnia Cherie

Sarnia Cherie

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  On 04/05/2022 at 07:15, Mr Saints said:

Relax everyone, I did one of those score predictors this morning and basically entered the worst possible outcome for each fixture, we end up staying up on goal difference above Leeds.  You're welcome.

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And there was me, when Saints were sitting comfortably mid-table thinking that nobody would have to be counting possible points to avoid relegation. Quite like old times.

Cabrone

Cabrone

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Pathetic that we are even having to look over our shoulders at this stage but we should be just about OK. Got to get something out of Brentford.

My head says Leeds will go down, my heart wants Everton to go down (funny as).

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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 04/05/2022 at 08:13, Cabrone said:

Pathetic that we are even having to look over our shoulders at this stage but we should be just about OK. Got to get something out of Brentford.

My head says Leeds will go down, my heart wants Everton to go down (funny as).

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I think a point will see us through for certain.

Everton's form is up and down, and leeds have at most 7points left that I can see them getting.

Burnley play villa twice, and vila's other fixtures are pretty tough, would genuinely be entertaining if they wound up stuck on 40points on the final day - but that would mean burnley are above us and unless we beat Brentford we'd be in for a tense final day!!!

Am i the only one still holding out that saints will be the team to ruin Liverpool's season?

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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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  On 04/05/2022 at 08:32, Saint86 said:

I think a point will see us through for certain.

Everton's form is up and down, and leeds have at most 7points left that I can see them getting.

Burnley play villa twice, and vila's other fixtures are pretty tough, would genuinely be entertaining if they wound up stuck on 40points on the final day - but that would mean burnley are above us and unless we beat Brentford we'd be in for a tense final day!!!

Am i the only one still holding out that saints will be the team to ruin Liverpool's season?

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We won’t beat Brentford or Leicester but Liverpool? 

once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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I've put £20 on relegation at a 90-1.  I will be happy to lose £20 if we stay up (less than 1/4 of a tank of petrol ffs!) but the best part of 2 grand will soften the blow of this shower of shite taking us down.

aintforever

aintforever

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  On 04/05/2022 at 09:29, once_bitterne said:

I've put £20 on relegation at a 90-1.  I will be happy to lose £20 if we stay up (less than 1/4 of a tank of petrol ffs!) but the best part of 2 grand will soften the blow of this shower of shite taking us down.

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Has to be worth a punt at those odds. It's still very unlikely to happen but history has shown that under Ralph anything is possible and given that we have Liverpool to play we effectively only have two games left.

Saint86

Saint86

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  On 04/05/2022 at 09:29, once_bitterne said:

I've put £20 on relegation at a 90-1.  I will be happy to lose £20 if we stay up (less than 1/4 of a tank of petrol ffs!) but the best part of 2 grand will soften the blow of this shower of shite taking us down.

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Sky bet offering 80-1 for saints to get relegated. Or 151-1 for Saints/Norwich/Watford to get relegated as a treble...

Same odds in all reality - or near as damit.

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 04/05/2022 at 09:44, Saint86 said:

Sky bet offering 80-1 for saints to get relegated. Or 151-1 for Saints/Norwich/Watford to get relegated as a treble...

Same odds in all reality - or near as damit.

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Really?  I can't see any bookmakers offering that as a treble today.  For a start one leg of the treble, Norwich going down, has already happened and most bookmakers are also not taking bets of Watford going down either.

Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

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  On 04/05/2022 at 09:29, once_bitterne said:

I've put £20 on relegation at a 90-1.  I will be happy to lose £20 if we stay up (less than 1/4 of a tank of petrol ffs!) but the best part of 2 grand will soften the blow of this shower of shite taking us down.

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Was 250/1 at the start of the week...!

OldNick

OldNick

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  On 04/05/2022 at 09:29, once_bitterne said:

I've put £20 on relegation at a 90-1.  I will be happy to lose £20 if we stay up (less than 1/4 of a tank of petrol ffs!) but the best part of 2 grand will soften the blow of this shower of shite taking us down.

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Should have put it on in the summer, I feel as low about our prospects as i have for some seasons. Relegation next season must be more than 50-50

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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  On 05/05/2022 at 12:26, OldNick said:

Should have put it on in the summer, I feel as low about our prospects as i have for some seasons. Relegation next season must be more than 50-50

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I’d say 50/50 - either we do get relegated or we don’t. 😉

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