Chez Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Kraken said: I agree. At the moment I have no faith that our current owners are going to provide us much more than we had under Gao. AFAIK our major loan is still in place which, according to previous reports, is at a very high interest and costs us many millions per years in repayment.in effect it has contributed to, in part, a leveraged buyout of the club. gonna cost us £9m a year interest over the next 12 months. Our owners have no plans to loan/give us money. The company will be run pretty much in the same was as it was under Gao. Pretty sure those were the words used to describe their plans. That means sell to buy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Brighton have had a massive net spend compared to Saints over recent years funded in part by their 'sugar daddy' by Tony Bloom. This image is a couple of years old, but illustrates the point... So you post this table and still don't think that we have no money?? Don't spout out the predictable horseshit that we don't know what these new owners will bring. We do. Same as Gao. Absolutely nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I don't know, and I have not claimed otherwise. Let's wait and see what the summer brings (or doesn't bring) what do you think it will bring? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Rodway Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Give Ralph the summer, it will be the first summer he’s had financial backing. We know he’s not an awful manager due to past results and runs we’ve been on. I also just don’t see any managers that fit the bill for Southampton FC available, if we get Dyche in the season ticket for next season is being ripped up. Our main worry in my opinion is Prowsey, he’s all but kept us up this season and I really don’t see why he would stay. He’s got a World Cup coming up which it seems he might not get called up for if he’s playing in a lacklustre saints side. And if we do lose him, he’s pretty much irreplaceable. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Reggie Rodway said: Give Ralph the summer, it will be the first summer he’s had financial backing. You think there will be significant funds to spend? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SNSUN said: The quality in our squad has been diminishing for years and feels as if it isn’t likely to get better. GK: Since being back in the Prem there have always been question marks over our keepers. Boruc as a panic free was ok, Fraser and McCarthy have had odd moments but even McCarthy was signed as back up. There hasn’t been a keeper of Niemi’s class to unite the fans this time. We need one. RB: KWP is probably on a par with Clyne. That we have 2 good RBs and shit in other areas is a joke. Thank god KWP can play left back. CB: Nowhere near Alderweireld, Fonte, Van Dijk or even Lovren. Bednarek was basically signed as back up. LB: Not a patch on Shaw or Bertrand at his best. CM: JWP the academy product that came good. Romeu (signed when we had Wanyama and Morgan) and Diallo weren’t signed as first choices. AM: They’re all just… average. It’s unlikely any were signed as back ups per se based on how much we paid for them but Stu on his day aside, they’re just… average. The days of Tadic, Lallana, David etc long gone. Str: This lot is probably the worst we’ve had since being back in the Prem. Even Charlie bloody Austin was better than this lot. Pelle, Lambert, Ings, Rodriguez… give me any of them. Please God can we sign some quality before it is too late. We need quality all over the pitch (bar right back), we have most likely a limited budget to do it, and limited time to do it. It feels a bit doom and gloom to say it but… I fear for our Premier League status over the next couple of seasons unless something big changes…and I’m usually glass half full. This is what this season has done to me. That is a fair reflection of our situation, you are right in that in the main we have regressed the quality of the squad season-upon-season and replaced proven players (Ings, PEH, Vestergaard) with younger/cheaper variants whilst promoting the previous seasons backup to the first choice. The fact we are still in the PL whilst operating on that strategy is pretty good to be honest, it's never easy seeing us lose most weeks but sometimes you need to have a look at the players we're asking to perform. Last summer was probably the first window you can say we had a proper re-evaluation of our full back positions, and now those are our strongest positions. (I rate Perruad, got something about him albiet a bit average). So if we can have a summer this year where we totally re-evaluate GK and the attacking third then we'll be getting back onto the right course. If we can do that without selling is the question though. Edited 7 May, 2022 by S-Clarke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 I thought we had a much stronger squad this season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I thought we had a much stronger squad this season? Weren't there people before the Villa game arguing how few of their squad would make a best combined XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 11 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: 1) So you post this table and still don't think that we have no money?? 2) Don't spout out the predictable horseshit that we don't know what these new owners will bring. We do. Same as Gao. Absolutely nothing. 1) The table was posted to counter the claim Brighton don't have money. They clearly do. Please read the post in the context of what it was replying to. 2) It isn't 'horseshit', I don't know what the new owners will do or how much they will spend. You have claimed that you do. How do you know? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I thought we had a much stronger squad this season? I never thought that. We sold Ings and Vest and replaced with A Armstrong and Lyanco. Clearly weaker. Broja loan has worked out OK, plus Ely has done a lot better than expected. But we are clearly weaker than last season to me. Edited 7 May, 2022 by BotleySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 I think it's too early to say 'we have no money'. We certainly didn't have a pot to piss in under Gao, but I think things will be a little different now and this summer is the first real view of that. The owners have at least been visible and are actively looking involved, the club have already said we were presented money in January but decided not to make any moves at that stage. The comments from everyone around us now being able to 'buy' before we have to sell doesn't scream of a club without any money. Ok, we're not backed by a sugar daddy but I'd expect us to be a bit more competitive and at least be able to compete with the likes of Brighton for players. (We were interested in Cucurella for e.g, but Brighton went higher than we could) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I thought we had a much stronger squad this season? Stronger and deeper squad, certainly at full back, but we still sold our best player from the previous year (Ings) and didn't really replace him quality wise. I'd still say we're significantly down on quality, certainly in the attacking third. I was always worried how we'd do if we didn't replace Ings with proven, luckily 'no worse' seems to be where it's going. No where else has really been upgraded, same old same old everywhere else - just more depth. Now we need a stronger 11. Edited 7 May, 2022 by S-Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: 1) The table was posted to counter the claim Brighton don't have money. They clearly do. Please read the post in the context of what it was replying to. 2) It isn't 'horseshit', I don't know what the new owners will do or how much they will spend. You have claimed that you do. How do you know? Your right I don't know. But like most of us on here ,I can take an educated guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Just finished a very long day at work. On the bright side, I don't need to stay up for motd........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Your right I don't know. But like most of us on here ,I can take an educated guess. An educated guess is based on evidence... so what to you have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 7 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Put that in the brackets of worst away performances under Ralph. Manager didn’t care and players didn’t care, decent atmosphere in away end until it got really toxic near the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: I think it's too early to say 'we have no money'. We certainly didn't have a pot to piss in under Gao, but I think things will be a little different now and this summer is the first real view of that. The owners have at least been visible and are actively looking involved, the club have already said we were presented money in January but decided not to make any moves at that stage. The comments from everyone around us now being able to 'buy' before we have to sell doesn't scream of a club without any money. Ok, we're not backed by a sugar daddy but I'd expect us to be a bit more competitive and at least be able to compete with the likes of Brighton for players. (We were interested in Cucurella for e.g, but Brighton went higher than we could) January funds perhaps second instalment from Ings transfer? The comments management have made dont suggest to me that we can buy without selling, just that we can buy first and then sell afterwards to balance the books. Big difference. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 8 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said: Just finished a very long day at work. On the bright side, I don't need to stay up for motd........ seriously, don't do it. We sucked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: I can understand you picking newly promoted Brentford. But why Brighton? Thrashing Man U 4-0 right now... Edited 7 May, 2022 by OttawaSaint 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 50 minutes ago, captainchris said: Don’t you think that no matter what quality of players we sign with a 226formation that Ralph has dreamt up and played for three years we would still ship tons of goals. We cannot trust Ralph to change this idiotic format. Also you have to say Ralph has not improved a single player since he has been here…. Oh I’m Ralph out now … in that we need fresh ideas, but any incoming manager better know how to polish a turd. Ralph, and I do think we’ve been lucky to have him until recently, can on occasion polish that turd, which is when we suddenly go on good spells, but most of the time he’s clueless. It doesn’t help though that our squad is poor… although as he’s been our manager now for 3 years plus, a lot of that blame rests at his door. We basically need a quality, first choice spine of 5 players - GK, CB, CM, AM, Str. We need more, but that’d be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 I suppose it's just a coincidence that the only 2 teams (both coached by Ralphs) that play with such a crazy system and formation are getting badly played off the park each week... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: An educated guess is based on evidence... so what to you have? the accounts for last year state that we made a substantial loss - £98m over the last two years, and we have a sizeable debt - £91m with only £29m of the loan left in the bank, and Sport Republic said when they took over that "we will continue to operate using the same model'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Today was just predictable, including the head scratching let's not bother with subs despite us looking horrible. Surely it would have made more sense to have been less open, maybe go back to the 5 at the back and try and counter on Brentford. Interested to see if we see a GK change again as we're back to looking completely suspect at balls in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 How ca we change from being so confident, making short passes out of fight defensive positions sorrounded by the opposition players with such arrogance to end up like this utter shambles . Players in and out of the side on a weekly basis and on what basis? And why play Long when not started all season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Cherie Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 If we only have enough money to buy 1 player please let it be a decent striker. With the best will in the world, Adams, Armstrong, Long and Broja, if he's still here next season, are not likely to be banging in 20 goals a season any time soon. A very disappointing end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaintZamboni Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Today was the day I lost faith in Hassenhuttl. I’ve always enjoyed our style of play and think he’s a decent person and manager. However, the beatings that we take and the inability to get us solid have taken their toll. Playing our full backs so high and wide is absolute suicide when there’s no cover. Brentford just got the ball forward into their powerful front men who then just had to deal with our liability centre back pairing. Also, what’s happened to the press? It used to be clear and obvious that we had a system. Strikers come narrow, ball goes wide to the full backs and the press is on. Midfield step up and we look for a turnover. Now? I haven’t a clue. I also think Adams in our best link up striker and always seems to get chances (even if he fluffs them). Playing Broja/Long/Armstrong ahead of him can only be a ploy to keep Broja here next season. All in all, I’m done with our season. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Reggie Rodway said: Give Ralph the summer, it will be the first summer he’s had financial backing. We know he’s not an awful manager due to past results and runs we’ve been on. I also just don’t see any managers that fit the bill for Southampton FC available, if we get Dyche in the season ticket for next season is being ripped up. Our main worry in my opinion is Prowsey, he’s all but kept us up this season and I really don’t see why he would stay. He’s got a World Cup coming up which it seems he might not get called up for if he’s playing in a lacklustre saints side. And if we do lose him, he’s pretty much irreplaceable. What have you got against Dyche? He's brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkhamsted Saint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: Not quite true. Brentford fans threw a flare into the Saints fans at 3-0 and then it turned nasty There was some arguments with a steward next to us. A Saints fan then lobbed the first flare today which then hit my missus. She then spent most of the second half in the back of an ambulance struggling to breath and throwing up as a reaction to the smoke. You don't expect to go to a football match and have to suffer that from your own fans. A bad performance you can deal with but not behaviour like that from some mindless idiot. Fortunately she is largely okay now but not up to dinner out which was our plan. Sort of puts you going to football. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 7 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2022 The lack of subs, the continued selection of one of the worst defenders in the league in Bednarek. But some people are still Ralph in, absolutely baffling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 26 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said: If we only have enough money to buy 1 player please let it be a decent striker. With the best will in the world, Adams, Armstrong, Long and Broja, if he's still here next season, are not likely to be banging in 20 goals a season any time soon. A very disappointing end. Attacking Midfielder would be my choice. Our defence, while currently leaking goals, is capable of being decent. GK likewise. Our CM is ok at times. But without creativity we could have Lewandowski up front and he'd not get more than ten goals a season. (He'd also be mightily pissed off). We have quantity not quality in AM and it needs surgery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 25 minutes ago, Appy said: The lack of subs, the continued selection of one of the worst defenders in the league in Bednarek. But some people are still Ralph in, absolutely baffling. It's more a case of who in?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 7 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Just now, Bad Wolf said: It's more a case of who in?? Is it? The club should have a shortlist of names lined up for any eventuality our manager might change, it’s not up to us to find a bloody shortlist. People weren’t clamouring for Ralph even Hughes went. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 More crap. Time for a change of manager and to move on some of the deadwood, quickly if we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 3 hours ago, Reggie Rodway said: Give Ralph the summer, it will be the first summer he’s had financial backing. We know he’s not an awful manager due to past results and runs we’ve been on. I also just don’t see any managers that fit the bill for Southampton FC available, if we get Dyche in the season ticket for next season is being ripped up. Our main worry in my opinion is Prowsey, he’s all but kept us up this season and I really don’t see why he would stay. He’s got a World Cup coming up which it seems he might not get called up for if he’s playing in a lacklustre saints side. And if we do lose him, he’s pretty much irreplaceable. Give Ralph - nothing but the Sack! Get him gone with most of the players - especially CB's & Goalkeeper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Why are so many people sure they we'll get financial backing in the summer? The new owner isn't that wealthy in terms of Premier League football. We've probably got another Gao, sell before we can buy etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Truly awful performance with a clear lack of motivation, ability to defend and resilience once we went behind. The contrast of our efforts in the last third of the season versus others in that midfield “nothing to play for”pack is stark. Look at Brentford, Palace and Brighton in recent weeks. I have never called for Ralph to go, even after both 9-0 defeats, but he has had a near fully fit squad to choose from, which we were told is bigger than ever to cope with injuries, and yet we are looking at the second consecutive season of dive bombing and will almost certainly go backwards again in terms of points and position. This now after three and a half years is his squad, his players, and he is responsible. i didn’t join in the abuse he got today, as I want him to go with dignity at the end of the season, but I did boo the players off at the end of the game for the first time in years as they were utterly embarrassing today. God knows what the last two games are going to be like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Ralph expressed his anger at fans claiming his players were already on the beach. You'd have expected a good manager to then motivate said players to prove he was right and the fans were wrong. Didn't happen and, in fact, he merely proved the point the fans had been making. Speaks volumes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: It's more a case of who in?? There no rush to bring someone in, we have a full preseason ahead. Mag to grid now so that potential candidates know the post is open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Micky said: There no rush to bring someone in, we have a full preseason ahead. Mag to grid now so that potential candidates know the post is open. Don’t forget that because of the World Cup next season starts a little earlier on 6th August. That’s if we’re still in it, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOWSaintDaz Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 I also think the coaching staff must take as much repsonsibilty for our poor form as Ralph, we need a major overhaul not only with the manager but with the backroom staff, I'm sorry to say Kelvin Davis and Dave Watson must be replaced as they appear to offer nothing in terms of improving the team as far as I can see. if anything we seem to have gone backwards, hopefully if Ralph does the decent thing and goes at the end of the season or the board call time on him the whole backroom staff will be replaced also 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said: If we only have enough money to buy 1 player please let it be a decent striker. With the best will in the world, Adams, Armstrong, Long and Broja, if he's still here next season, are not likely to be banging in 20 goals a season any time soon. A very disappointing end. Look I agree we could do with some quality up front, but wanting us to find a 20 goal a season striker is mental. There are only two players in the league this season who have got 20+ goals, Salah and Son. Even the likes of Kane and Ronaldo haven't hit that and probably won't. In fact, it's only Son, Salah and Ronaldo that have got over 15. Let's be realistic about our expectations - a very good striker for our level will get between 10-15 goals with up to 5 assists, but more importantly will still affect the game even when he isn't scoring. Edited 7 May, 2022 by Saint_clark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Terrible absolute shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: I thought we had a much stronger squad this season? That is what Ralph said…..When we won a few games…. Now he’s saying the opposite … Most of our issues stem from tactics, coaching and management, get those right and then ask for money to strengthen Ralph cos I don’t think you have passed base one yet even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 Wen rohl left he’s been woefully exposed …hope he walks !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 4 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said: If we only have enough money to buy 1 player please let it be a decent striker. With the best will in the world, Adams, Armstrong, Long and Broja, if he's still here next season, are not likely to be banging in 20 goals a season any time soon. A very disappointing end. I don't disagree - but I think you have to separate Long from the other three. Long should be finished as a Prem striker; the other three all have attributes and scope for improvement. On a dark day in West London , Adam Armstrong had a decent game; on another day he has a brace...the first time shot from Perraud's cross and a sweet strike ruled out for a marginal offside. His movement, control and passing were all ok. If Broja is not here next season then clearly at least one quality replacement is needed, but Armstrong, Adams and not Long has to be the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 For once thought our support was decent especially in the 2nd half all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, austsaint said: On a dark day in West London , Adam Armstrong had a decent game; on another day he has a brace...the first time shot from Perraud's cross and a sweet strike ruled out for a marginal offside. His movement, control and passing were all ok. If Broja is not here next season then clearly at least one quality replacement is needed, but Armstrong, Adams and not Long has to be the mix. I'm only going on highlights, but AA trotted back, when he should never have allowed himself to be offside. As soon as I saw the earlier match thread comments where Ralph had bizarrely picked Diallo instead of Romeu and had dropped Adams, I could see how the scoreline was reached. No spine and all the automatisms fall apart. Taken apart by a team who combine their version of it with individual strength, purpose and, in Eriksson, flair. Sadly our resources couldn't compete to bring in Ajer. Or in earlier highlights I'm reminded we got an AA instead of an Edouard. As much as I like Perraud's effort, Cucurella has been something special, but beyond our grasp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 May, 2022 Share Posted 7 May, 2022 18 minutes ago, JRM said: For once thought our support was decent especially in the 2nd half all things considered. Our support was excellent today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 8 May, 2022 Share Posted 8 May, 2022 If Ralph has to stay he needs to show some initiative by sacking half the coaching staff in the close season and bringing in some people with fresh ideas, and then listening to them. Currently picking the wrong players in the wrong set up every single week. How Redmond continues to start is beyond me. Does nothing going forward and culpable for the third goal today. We need more energy in transition. I'd have Adkins back in a heartbeat - he'd soon sort the lazy bastards out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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