Last Summer's Transfer Window

[SNSUN]

Adam Armstrong		Blackburn	£15.93m
Romain Perraud		Stade Brestois	£10.80m
Lyanco		Torino	£6.75m
Tino Livramento		Chelsea U23	£5.31m
Theo Walcott		Everton	free transfer
Armando Broja		Chelsea U23	loan transfer
Willy Caballero

 

 

Knowing what we know now, was it that good? Tino was a good buy and Perraud seems to have improved but started slowly, but Armstrong flopped, Lyanco barely featured, Broja started well then faded, Walcott was, well, Walcott the cheer leader and we were desperate for Willy when we signed him. Or am I doing it a disservice? I'm hoping for a better window this summer. 

[Baird of the land]

Lyanco, livramento and perraud have been a good buys for the money 

broja a decent loan signing. Walcott a free that didn’t work out.

armstrong is clearly the big issue given the size of the fee. If he doesn’t turn things around it makes it more of a steady window than a good one.

[Tamesaint]

When looking at the transfer window you should also look at the departures. To receive £45 million and reduce the wage bill by selling Ings, Vestergaard and Bertrand now looks like very good business. Certainly the supporters of Villa and Leicester would think so.

 

 

[woodsaint1]

Given the meltdown on here following the summer window I would say it has exceeded expectations.

There were zero expectations on Tino and Broja given that their experience was limited to PL u23 and the Dutch league. Both started like a house on fire and tailed off as the season went on, but it was their first taste of PL football. Both 8/10.

Perraud I think has been excellent at times. Moving to a new league and trying to get up to the pace/physicality demands was always going to be a challenge, especially when hes been in and out of the team. However he looks very promising, love his tenacity and work rate. 7/10 (if we had seen more of him maybe would have pushed  8/10)

Lyanco has some quality about him and he wears his heart on his sleeve, but like all our CBs has a brainfart at least once or twice a game. Was an odd signing as he hasnt strengthened the position, just cluttered the CB squad options. We need to address this area in the summer. 5/10

Armstrong started well with the goals against Everton and Villa, but has really struggled since then (combined with having very little game time). We need to persevere as he will be our only striker outside Adams by the start of the window and deserves another season to prove himself. 4/10

Walcott. Less said the better. Waste of a squad position. Was a free but is likely on silly wages. 1/10

Overall I would give it a 6.5/10

[Lighthouse]

We basically had to replace Bertrand and Ings using only the money we received for them, i.e. £30m total. Two players for £15m each and a loan from Chelsea is about as good as we can expect. Sadly AA is just another Earnshaw, Rasiak, Mitrovic or Vydra. Too good for the Championship, not good enough for the Prem.

[Tamesaint]

41 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We basically had to replace Bertrand and Ings using only the money we received for them, i.e. £30m total. 

That is only half the story. Don't forget the £15 million we received for Vestergaard. That paid for Tino, Symeu, Broja's loan fee as well as Vesty's squad replacement Lyanco.

[Hodgey]

I think even in hindsight it was a good window - best we have had for ages. To pick up 3 competent first team players for £15m odd is great business. You could argue Lyanco wasn’t necessary but we had just lost a centre back. Walcott was of course unnecessary and a bad signing but I think him doing a job upfront last year swung the decision.

Armstrong is an odd one - looking at the way he plays I don’t get why we thought it would work. Can only assume it was Janet and John maths in that we needed someone who had scored a load of goals in a decent league to replace our top scorer (with a budget of £15m). 
 

Also getting £45m for two players who have struggled has to go down as success.

[Toussaint]

Aside from Walcott, which I still can't work out, it's a good window. Peraud is good, and feisty, Lyanco and Armstrong could still make it, Willy filled a hole, Tino has been great but over used in my opinion, Broja has been good .

[MAY-Z]

When you compare Armstrong & Broja and their goal contributions per minute:  

Armstrong 2/2, Broja 6/0

if Che Adam’s “goal” against Man U was given to him Armstrong would be 2/3.

 

So using that Armstrong is a contribution every 252 minutes, and Broja every 296 minutes, Adam’s would be 176 minutes with 8/3 (Man U included)

 

But looking at that list:

Walcott was better when he joined, got worse

Armstong started ok, faded away

Broja performance dipping a lot

Tino stared the season on top of the world, faded quite a bit
 

 

[John B]

35 minutes ago, MAY-Z said:

When you compare Armstrong & Broja and their goal contributions per minute:  

Armstrong 2/2, Broja 6/0

if Che Adam’s “goal” against Man U was given to him Armstrong would be 2/3.

 

So using that Armstrong is a contribution every 252 minutes, and Broja every 296 minutes, Adam’s would be 176 minutes with 8/3 (Man U included)

 

But looking at that list:

Walcott was better when he joined, got worse

Armstong started ok, faded away

Broja performance dipping a lot

Tino stared the season on top of the world, faded quite a bit
 

 

Do you not think that the whole squad apart from JWP Forster and possibly KWP have faded in the last couple of months as well as the ones you mention

 

[Saint86]

For me it was evidently a good window. I feel like some of the more negative views of the window are using it as an excuse to have a dig at the club/manager - rather than being objective.

We absolutely robbed villa for Ings, we got paid a great wedge for Vestergard (and haven't missed him), and we replaced bertrand with 2 full backs who are both huge improvements for our style of play. Plus i imagine we significantly reduced the wage bill as we lost 3 first team starters in doing all of that.

Incoming wise - Tino is a bargain. Perraud is a cracking player in the making imo, doesn't get the credit he deserves and i think that's mainly because we've been playing Tino over him (as part of our youth pitch for future transfers?). Broja is a cheap loan to add depth - worked well, and again - strategic pitch to raise our attractiveness for young talent.

Lyanco has been a good addition, no worse than vestergard - indeed he is faster so frankly as a CB he is better. But granted he doesn't score headers or ping delightful 40yeard diagonals. Horses for courses i guess.

On the negative Adarma hasn't worked yet - personally think he'll come good. Theo was free but has added nothing this season - although we aren't privy to his impact behind the scenes.

Worth noting though that our recent transfers seem to bed in the first season and then become regular starters the next one, so always a bit quick to judge them within the first season. Che, KWP, Salisu are good examples of players that have improved significantly in their second seasons.

Edited 28 April, 2022 by Saint86

[LuckyNumber7]

Armstrong and Theo are the standout failures, the rest have all been decent at worst. Given the financial restrictions I'd say it was a pretty good window.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

Aside from Walcott, which I still can't work out, it's a good window. Peraud is good, and feisty, Lyanco and Armstrong could still make it, Willy filled a hole, Tino has been great but over used in my opinion, Broja has been good .

[Saint Matty 76]

Yeah, taking the departures into account it was a good window all round. 

Hoping for a bit more this Summer though.

[Chez]

On 27/04/2022 at 19:49, SNSUN said:

Adam Armstrong		Blackburn	£15.93m
Romain Perraud		Stade Brestois	£10.80m
Lyanco		Torino	£6.75m
Tino Livramento		Chelsea U23	£5.31m
Theo Walcott		Everton	free transfer
Armando Broja		Chelsea U23	loan transfer
Willy Caballero

 

Armstrong started brightly, and looked like he might be Ings mark II. I still see talent, but confidence has dropped, as was the case with Adams in his first season. I really don't know if he can blossom. Not been a good buy, yet, but he could turn it around. Was there a better option? I wanted Daka, but we didn't have the funds, especially at the start of window before Ings sale. 

Perraud looked limited at the start and I didn't think he was a good signing, but he has improved with every game, works hard and gives us balance.  He lacks genuine pace and top class ability on the ball, but he offers us some stuff that we need. I prefer him to Target, who is technically better. He's a solid signing, but not a `great' signing. Put it this way, I doubt we will sell him for more than we paid. 

Lyanco looks like the defender people were worried we were signing. Good on the ball, but reckless, a bit limited in the air, but wholehearted. I am hoping he cuts out the diving in, like Fonte did and becomes a proper defender, but not convinced he will. We had no money, so options were limited. We got what we paid for, maybe a bit more actually as £6m gets you fuck all.

Livramento was much better than we imagined, offering composure, skill on the ball and an attacking threat, although defensively he is suspect and he faded in the second half of the season. Long road back from that injury. Real shame. Good buy. 

Walcott held an end up last season, working up and down the line. When asked to provide pace and threat this season, he couldn't do it. He will see his contract out here, but hard to see a final season flourish. Not worked out at all, so a poor signing. Many predicted it. Not me. I thought he would help us. He hasn't.

Broja was a revelation and made us forget Ings, for a while, but a lack of end product against the likes of Norwich, not being able to reignite the early season form after being dropped and then failing to impact in recent games has taken the gloss off what looked a sparkling season. Still a talent and well worth bringing back if possible. I still think he has been a great signing a he filled the Ings void and helped us secure points we needed.

Cabellero looked about 50 years old in his first game, but quickly got up to speed and was a great cover signing. If funds permit, would be a very decent third keeper next season. Great signing.

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

If this summer's window repeats the last and yields 2 starters and upgrades on the back up for 3 positions I'll be well happy.

[Saints foreva]

Shane Long and Nathan Redmond are above Adam Armstrong in the pecking order. What a gigantic waste of money. 

[Dman]

23 minutes ago, Saints foreva said:

Shane Long and Nathan Redmond are above Adam Armstrong in the pecking order. What a gigantic waste of money. 

We’re just easing him in and saving his huge untapped potential for next season 

[SaintTex]

On 28/04/2022 at 06:33, Hodgey said:

I think even in hindsight it was a good window - best we have had for ages. To pick up 3 competent first team players for £15m odd is great business. 

I get what you are saying and l appreciate the positivity, but that is just it in’it?

we are competing in a league where most clubs have £15m players that will never make their starting XI. We have three “competent” starters at £15m and while it may be “good business” it doesn’t exactly make for good football  

When you look at it,  It’s no wonder we are finishing 15th. We do it on the cheap - barely. 
 

I know; it is what it is,  but it’s frustrating.