Elon Musk

[SotonianWill]

34 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The BBC have also broadcasted Musk’s comments, amplifying his words beyond his own platform. I don’t recall them broadcasting lies and misinformation either. Can you show me the quotes where the BBC use Musk’s tactics of blatant lies and disinformation?

One from the top of my head is the BBC pedalling the “Trump said to drink bleach” rubbish a few months before the 2020 election. I was a frequent listener to Americast - the BBC’s American political podcast - which was full of half truths. In 2024, one of theirs was taking his speech on Chinese tariffs and the “bloodbath” and linking it to his rhetoric, suggesting it was a call for violence. Half truths and bias are the key to misinformation; Musk does not hold a monopoly on this. 

 

Edit: In-fact, Jon Sopel was the frequent podcaster circa 2020 - the BBC’s man in America. This tells you all you need to know. I read his book “Unpresidented”, which enhanced my understanding of bias and spin. 

 

 

Sidenote @sadoldgit, but I have an off-topic question regarding your hatred of all populism, which you deem to be linked purely with national conservatism. What is your opinion on populism from the Peoples Party of America in the 1890s? The Agarian-led one which helped to cement workers rights, the minimum wage, fairness for women? 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by SotonianWill

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He can’t be all bad, he’s called Ed Davey a “snivelling cretin”. 

He also highlighted that Davey voted against deporting foreign rapists. 

It’s wholly unacceptable behaviour because he’s cosied up to President of the US so it’s limiting people’s ability to hit back. It’s not just politicians he behaves like this against if he can’t get his own way https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/tesla-denies-musk-bullied-scholar-ahead-of-56-billion-pay-vote

Elon hated being bullied for having Asperger’s, and rightly so, some of the stuff one poster gets on here is a bit strong at times however pedantic he can be, but Musk is re-creating what was done to him on a global scale, it makes him no better than his tormentors and actually worse. Good for Farage and Starmer for giving him a spoonful of mustard in return. 

I have colleagues with Asperger’s and they certainly don’t go around spreading mis-information and outright lies to attack people. They have strengths and weaknesses like we all do.
He could have the power to really advance things for neurodiverse so it’s very unfortunate that he’s using his power destructively: https://theconversation.com/elon-musk-how-being-autistic-may-make-him-think-differently-194228

In summary, he’s taking his childhood in SA out on people https://medium.com/@erinfulmerwrites/elon-musk-isnt-unwell-his-abusive-bullying-resembles-coercive-control-cd74ef296071

I think him and Trump will be at each other by the summer anyway, Cummings v Boris on steroids. 

[rallyboy]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

He also highlighted that Davey voted against deporting foreign rapists. 

Just more bollocks that's made-up to trigger thick people. 

There was no such vote.

[whelk]

It’s pretty clear to me. If you like the cunt Musk you are a cunt yourself.

[whelk]

2 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

Elon Musk’s posts normally get around 4-5 million views. A good tweet achieves 15 million. 
 

The BBC has access to 450 million people worldwide, according to themselves. Their America coverage was incredibly biased against Trump. Do you hold the same contempt for the BBC’s meddling in the American election?

Do you agree that he should call Jess Phillips a rape genocide apologist, whatever the fuck that is?

[Gloucester Saint]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

It’s pretty clear to me. If you like the cunt Musk you are a cunt yourself.

Not many do in this country even before his uninformed latest impulse rantings https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/05/tesla-is-now-fighting-for-its-future-elon-musk/

It’s stupid as he had such a good product which relied to a certain extent on more liberal and ecologically aware buyers as well as the boomer EV market. We’d have been interested if they’d made a compact (the current ones are too big) model but not now. X is struggling as well.

Edited 21 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you agree that he should call Jess Phillips a rape genocide apologist, whatever the fuck that is?

Quite. It’s about behaviour, not right vs left wing (left in this case not being left wing whatsoever). As for posters on here whining about BBC bias against Trump - if he makes speeches about Haitian people eating family pets and other such nonsense which has no evidence base whatsoever, what are they supposed to do? They and the other UK broadcasters bar GBeebies have a charter and standards they have to meet. But the BBC sans adverts are a soft target.

Just because 18% of the British public like him, it doesn’t mean they can disregard evidence and publish lies like Fox do (and there are limits even there). That’s why there are fact checkers etc, and all of our politicians are subject to them as well, and all have fallen foul in places https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Internal_USElection_241016.pdf

Otherwise we are back to the Soviet Union or 1970s Argentina/Chile.

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[whelk]

20 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not many do in this country even before his uninformed latest impulse rantings https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/05/tesla-is-now-fighting-for-its-future-elon-musk/

It’s stupid as he had such a good product which relied on more liberal and ecologically aware buyers. We’d have been interested if they’d made a compact (the current ones are too big) model but not now. X is struggling as well.

I don’t think as a country we respond well to bullies. Think our sense of fair play presides more over USA’s more dominant survival of the fittest.

 

[whelk]

23 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not many do in this country even before his uninformed latest impulse rantings https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/05/tesla-is-now-fighting-for-its-future-elon-musk/

It’s stupid as he had such a good product which relied to a certain extent on more liberal and ecologically aware buyers as well as the boomer EV market. We’d have been interested if they’d made a compact (the current ones are too big) model but not now. X is struggling as well.

And I’d never buy a Tesla as know that fucker has built in a remote cyanide release function

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, whelk said:

I don’t think as a country we respond well to bullies. Think our sense of fair play presides more over USA’s more dominant survival of the fittest.

 

Agreed, and true of Europe and the West more widely. We don’t like or want a winner take all society, we are a One Nation Conservative/Lib/Blue Labour electorate. Thatcher compromised pragmatically where she needed to eg NHS Safe with Us, didn’t privatise rail or Royal Mail. 

Polling backs this up too in Europe which Musk and the current GOP doesn’t understand but Trump does a little bit more with Scottish heritage https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50844-who-do-europeans-want-to-win-the-2024-us-presidential-election

[SotonianWill]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Do you agree that he should call Jess Phillips a rape genocide apologist, whatever the fuck that is?

Obviously not. I feel you may misunderstand my view. I am consistently against large foreign interference of all kinds; key word being 'consistent', hence my rejection of the BBC's clear bias in America. My views on Musk's influence are equally as skeptical. 

[Turkish]

Just putting this out there, does anyone have any proof that Musk is wrong and there wasn't a cover up?

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just putting this out there, does anyone have any proof that Musk is wrong and there wasn't a cover up?

Is there any actual proof that there was ?

[sadoldgit]

Have I missed Musk’s tweet about sexual misconduct at McDonalds?

As it doesn’t involve Robinson or Muslims I guess he isn’t bothered.

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[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, SotonianWill said:

Obviously not. I feel you may misunderstand my view. I am consistently against large foreign interference of all kinds; key word being 'consistent', hence my rejection of the BBC's clear bias in America. My views on Musk's influence are equally as skeptical. 

Did this “clear bias” contain outright lies, misinformation and actual smears?

[sadoldgit]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there any actual proof that there was ?

Perhaps if he bothered to read the reports he would know the answer?

Funny how Jenrick and others who are so angered about this now did bugger all about it when they were in power. Where was the fully comprehensive report that they now call for and why didn’t they implement the findings of their own report?

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[egg]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there any actual proof that there was ?

Indeed.  The presumption must be that there was no cover up unless there is evidence to the contrary. 

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there any actual proof that there was ?

that wasn't the question. Everyones saying he's a cunt, interfering where its not needed, spreading lies etc and the old right wing jibes but does anyone actually know if he's wrong?

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Perhaps if he bothered to read the reports he would know the answer?

Funny how Jenrick and others who are so angered about this now did bugger all about it when they were in power. Where was the fully comprehensive report that they now call for and why didn’t they implement the findings of their own report?

you can address me directly you gutless prick.

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

that wasn't the question. Everyones saying he's a cunt, interfering where its not needed, spreading lies etc and the old right wing jibes but does anyone actually know if he's wrong?

It's for him to prove he's right, not others to prove he's wrong. 

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed.  The presumption must be that there was no cover up unless there is evidence to the contrary. 

Perhaps, but there are certainly some sort of allegations that there were a cover up, not just from Musk. Just because people dont like who's making them doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, egg said:

It's for him to prove he's right, not others to prove he's wrong. 

its not just him saying it.

[Gloucester Saint]

27 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there any actual proof that there was ?

The whole point of a conspiracy theory is that it’s so stupid and facile that disproving it is near impossible eg prove or disprove that the Democrats didn’t run a chain of fast food restaurants with paedophiles in the basements because it’s such a ludicrous theory in the first place.

The issue that’s really underlying here is that successive governments and successive courts have been unable to get many of the grooming offenders out of the country. And unless Pakistan changes its mind, Cooper will be as powerless as Braverman, Patel and May despite the empty rhetoric. The crafty cunts who advised them to junk off their Pakistani nationalities days before the UK Home Office eventually took their British ones away means they are deemed stateless. That’s why they’ve been the 💩 that are hard to flush. Everyone wants them gone, politicians of all stripes, Whitehall, media and everyone in Rochdale. 

There’s no conspiracy, it’s international law, not even the ECHR. The UK needs to find carrots to encourage Pakistan to receive them, because the stick hasn’t worked over many years. It’ll cost money and other incentives of course. Chris Philip’s suggestion on restriction visas is thick as shit, even for him, what say we get another Hannah Foster case but this time involving Pakistan. What cooperation would we get then?

Musk might understand key scientific principles but when it comes to relationships and negotiating with politicians and states, he’s miles out of his depth.

Edited 19 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Perhaps, but there are certainly some sort of allegations that there were a cover up, not just from Musk. Just because people dont like who's making them doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Allegations are just noise. 

By your rationale I could allege that you've done x,y, or z, but with the onus being on you to prove that you haven't. That would be nonsensical. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The whole point of a conspiracy theory is that it’s so stupid and facile that disproving it is near impossible eg prove or disprove that the Democrats didn’t run a chain of fast food restaurants with paedophiles in the basements because it’s such a ludicrous theory in the first place.

The issue that’s really underlying here is that successive governments and successive courts have been unable to get many of the grooming offenders out of the country. And unless Pakistan changes its mind, Cooper will be as powerless as Braverman, Patel and May despite the empty rhetoric. The crafty cunts who advised them to junk off their Pakistani nationalities days before the UK Home Office eventually took their British ones away means they are deemed stateless. That’s why they’ve been the 💩 that are hard to flush.

There’s no conspiracy, it’s international law, not even the ECHR. The UK needs to find carrots to encourage Pakistan to receive them, because the stick hasn’t worked over many years. It’ll cost money and other incentives of course. Chris Philip’s suggestion on restriction visas is thick as shit, even for him, what say we get another Hannah Foster case but this time involving Pakistan. What cooperation would we get then?

Rwanda will have them, they've got plenty of room not being used.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

its not just him saying it.

Extending my last post, of others repeated my allegations they wouldn't be any more true would they. 

You're 180 degrees out on this. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Allegations are just noise. 

By your rationale I could allege that you've done x,y, or z, but with the onus being on you to prove that you haven't. That would be nonsensical. 

 

Just now, egg said:

Extending my last post, of others repeated my allegations they wouldn't be any more true would they. 

You're 180 degrees out on this. 

im not out about anything. I neither said he was right or wrong. I simply asked that everyones saying this that and the other about him but no one actually knows if he's wrong it seems. I have no idea either by the way. 

[Gloucester Saint]

14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Rwanda will have them, they've got plenty of room not being used.

Even they wouldn’t want them though, us joking aside, and who wants to pay what it would cost even if they did? The deal was them was for a tiny % of total migrants. Pure metaphor around ‘stop the boats’ which itself is a tiny % of a total illegal migration. They’re the dregs of humanity, no amount of cash to Rwanda is persuading their politicians import to them, if they offended again their politicians are hated and disgraced. Home Office got outpaced and outwitted sadly, so Pakistan holds the aces. If they were still Pakistani citizens, their government would have no choice, but their lawyers beat the Home Office by a few sickening days in 2018.

Edited 18 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[aintforever]

4 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

One from the top of my head is the BBC pedalling the “Trump said to drink bleach” rubbish a few months before the 2020 election. I was a frequent listener to Americast - the BBC’s American political podcast - which was full of half truths. In 2024, one of theirs was taking his speech on Chinese tariffs and the “bloodbath” and linking it to his rhetoric, suggesting it was a call for violence. Half truths and bias are the key to misinformation; Musk does not hold a monopoly on this. 

 

But Trump did suggest drinking bleach, we all watched it.

No journalism is free from bias but the BBC is as good as you will find. I remember an old uni mate of mine who worked there explaining all the checks they have to go through before publishing a story compared to the tabloids etc.

Edited 18 hours ago by aintforever

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

 

im not out about anything. I neither said he was right or wrong. I simply asked that everyones saying this that and the other about him but no one actually knows if he's wrong it seems. I have no idea either by the way. 

The point is that nobody has to prove that Musk is wrong. He has to prove that he's right. In the absence of evidence to justify his case, then it must follow that he's making baseless allegations. 

We're in real danger of falling into line with the American's of having a political system where serious allegations are made and considered true until proved to the contrary. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

The point is that nobody has to prove that Musk is wrong. He has to prove that he's right. In the absence of evidence to justify his case, then it must follow that he's making baseless allegations. 

We're in real danger of falling into line with the American's of having a political system where serious allegations are made and considered true until proved to the contrary. 

So the answer is no one actually knows. We're just assuming they're baseless. Just like how people assumed the Post master were ripping off the Post Office.

Edited 18 hours ago by Turkish

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Do you agree that he should call Jess Phillips a rape genocide apologist, whatever the fuck that is?

I strongly dislike Phillips I think she's thick, is a misandrist and has no class and is cringe with her mannerisms and manner of speaking. I support Musk's right to say what he wants but I don't agree with him in this instance and don't think he should be talking about things he only has some knowledge of. 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

that wasn't the question. Everyones saying he's a cunt, interfering where its not needed, spreading lies etc and the old right wing jibes but does anyone actually know if he's wrong?

But that is the point; there seems to be no direct evidence either way regarding the alleged cover-up, or not. People making claims such as those Musk is throwing out should be able to point to something, however nebulous, that supposedly substantiates their comments, or else they run the risk of being called out as bullshitting fantasists.

Edited 18 hours ago by badgerx16
I'll have an 's' please, Bob.

[Turkish]

Do we all hate Mark Zuckerberg now he's back in bed with Trump? Can someone tell me what im meant to think about this please.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Turkish said:

Do we all hate Mark Zuckerberg now he's back in bed with Trump? Can someone tell me what im meant to think about this please.

Did anyone ever like that dweeb? 

[Turkish]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

But that is the point; there seems to be no direct evidence either way regarding the alleged cover-up, or not. People making claims such as those Musk is throwing out should be able to point to omething, however nebulous, that supposedly substantiates their comments, or else they run the risk of being called out as bullshitting fantasists.

Maybe he is, i have no idea and neither does anyone else, that's the point. It's a pretty big claim though to accuse a government of covering up something like this dont you think? 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Did anyone ever like that dweeb? 

yeah he was our hero for a while when he kicked Trump off facebook.  Only recently threads was good, X not so much.

Edited 18 hours ago by Turkish

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Maybe he is, i have no idea and neither does anyone else, that's the point. It's a pretty big claim though to accuse a government of covering up something like this dont you think? 

Happens all the time, it puts them on the defensive and automatically they look shifty and as if there is something to hide. How do you prove a negative, especially in a world where so many people consume random, unsubstantiated, SM posts and hashtags without being willing to try to think for themselves.

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Do we all hate Mark Zuckerberg now he's back in bed with Trump? Can someone tell me what im meant to think about this please.

He is a far right racist!

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He is a far right racist!

shame, he was a really great guy only 4 years ago How Facebook and Twitter decided to take down Trump's accounts

 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Turkish said:

shame, he was a really great guy only 4 years ago How Facebook and Twitter decided to take down Trump's accounts

 

The mask always slips with fascists like this!!!!

[Lord Duckhunter]

Starmer and Labour  people complaining about Musk throwing around serious accusations involving child abuse 😂 . When it was innocent Tories in the firing line, Starmer sent the biggest culprit to the House of Lords. The only difference was Tom Watson accused the Tories of the actual abuse, not covering it up. 

[AlexLaw76]

Look at this Nazi sympathiser - promoting freedom of expression and removing censorship from his sites....(in the USA at least).

https://www.instagram.com/zuck/reel/DEhf2uTJUs0/

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Look at this Nazi sympathiser - promoting freedom of expression and removing censorship from his sites....(in the USA at least).

https://www.instagram.com/zuck/reel/DEhf2uTJUs0/

Nice words, but he’s saying ‘we can’t moderate or remove sex offenders, bots, racism, Putin operatives’ because it’ll eat into my profits and using the censorship excuse. 

Zuckerberg is completely concerned about that and a share of the White House good boy biscuits.🍪 

Musk is losing sight of his core businesses, Zuckerberg never does. He’s unpleasant but a political weathervane. By the mid-terms he’ll swing away again if Trump is fucking up.

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[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Nice words, but he’s saying ‘we can’t moderate or remove sex offenders, bots, racism, Putin operatives’ because it’ll eat into my profits and using the censorship excuse. 

Zuckerberg is completely concerned about that and a share of the White House good boy biscuits.🍪 

Musk is losing sight of his core businesses, Zuckerberg never does. He’s unpleasant but a political weathervane. By the mid-terms he’ll swing away again if Trump is fucking up.

LOL

[whelk]

32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Do we all hate Mark Zuckerberg now he's back in bed with Trump? Can someone tell me what im meant to think about this please.

Yeah he’s a fucking arsehole

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

LOL

The Chinese certainly think it’s funny as they want to subsume the EV market https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/02/tesla-first-sales-drop-decade-leftwing-backlash-elon-musk/ and https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/05/tesla-is-now-fighting-for-its-future-elon-musk/#:~:text=For the first time in,start growing again very soon.

Donny’s intended tariffs might not be helpful in the context. But the GOP and MAGA are salivating for them.

X none too healthy either https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/fewer-people-using-elon-musks-x-struggles-keep-users-rcna144115

https://unherd.com/newsroom/two-years-in-elon-musks-x-is-a-fascinating-failure/

75% of its value lost https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/10/01/x-has-lost-75-of-its-value-since-elon-musk-took-over

Sports Republic esque recent performance. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

The Chinese certainly think it’s funny as they want to subsume the EV market https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/02/tesla-first-sales-drop-decade-leftwing-backlash-elon-musk/ and https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/05/tesla-is-now-fighting-for-its-future-elon-musk/#:~:text=For the first time in,start growing again very soon.

Donny’s tariffs might not helpful in the context.

X none too healthy https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/fewer-people-using-elon-musks-x-struggles-keep-users-rcna144115

https://unherd.com/newsroom/two-years-in-elon-musks-x-is-a-fascinating-failure/

75% of its value lost https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/10/01/x-has-lost-75-of-its-value-since-elon-musk-took-over

Sports Republic esque recent performance. 

"Sport Republic-esq"

🤪

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

"Sport Republic-esq"

🤪

It’s ok to be wrong sometimes, you are amongst fellow Saints fans.

[Turkish]

Elon Musk 'wants to buy Liverpool' despite Man United takeover preference - Manchester Evening News

if this happens it'd be hilarious.