Elon Musk

[sadoldgit]

47 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I agree it can't keep happening. I'm pretty sure that was part of the findings of the last inquiry.

If I remember correctly the enquiries didn’t find that these people were not brought to book over fear of accusations of cover ups. It was more to do with incompetence within the police and social services.

The last government had 14 years to deal with child sexual abuse. It is a scandal that the findings of a seven year enquiry have yet to be implemented.

When Musk fails, as do a few posters on here, is that the problem is far wider than Asian gangs. It has been a problem within the Christian church for hundreds of years. It is a problem in the home where children are abused by family members. Predators predate. These people are opportunists and will operate where ever they find the opportunity. By just focussing on the Asian rape gangs not only is Musk ignoring the wider problem, he is also displaying his racist tendencies. Musk is not a “hero” as dubbed by Musk. He is ignorant and bigoted. Even his statement about Farage is wrong. Without Farage Reform would be now where. He attracts like minded people like a magnet and he is also now drawing in people around the edges because he is playing the populist card á la Trump. Like Trump, he knows just what buttons to press and what types of red meat works. Reform is the far right of the Tory Party trying to dress itself up as a sheep. Put a less divisive leader in place of Farage and you might as well just stick with the Tories.

[sadoldgit]

Hypochondriac needs to read the whole of these articles. He probably won’t because he would rather just post laughing emojis than engage his brain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63307015.amp

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem

Edited Monday at 15:05 by sadoldgit

[CheshireSaint]

49 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Hypochondriac needs to read the whole of these articles. He probably won’t because he would rather just post laughing emojis than engage his brain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63307015.amp

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem

All from left leaning sources no? Perhaps some articles from the opposite side of the political debate for balance. As we all know, data can be presented or cherry picked in many ways to fit ones agenda. I certainly wouldn't be listening to the BBC or any British educational sources for a balanced presentation of data. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

If I remember correctly the enquiries didn’t find that these people were not brought to book over fear of accusations of cover ups. It was more to do with incompetence within the police and social services.

The last government had 14 years to deal with child sexual abuse. It is a scandal that the findings of a seven year enquiry have yet to be implemented.

When Musk fails, as do a few posters on here, is that the problem is far wider than Asian gangs. It has been a problem within the Christian church for hundreds of years. It is a problem in the home where children are abused by family members. Predators predate. These people are opportunists and will operate where ever they find the opportunity. By just focussing on the Asian rape gangs not only is Musk ignoring the wider problem, he is also displaying his racist tendencies. Musk is not a “hero” as dubbed by Musk. He is ignorant and bigoted. Even his statement about Farage is wrong. Without Farage Reform would be now where. He attracts like minded people like a magnet and he is also now drawing in people around the edges because he is playing the populist card á la Trump. Like Trump, he knows just what buttons to press and what types of red meat works. Reform is the far right of the Tory Party trying to dress itself up as a sheep. Put a less divisive leader in place of Farage and you might as well just stick with the Tories.

You really are a piece of work. 

[Turkish]

On 27/12/2024 at 20:00, sadoldgit said:

I think you are missing the point. It’s not about “intelligence” per se as I see it. It is about how you go about forming opinions. Do you look at as much information as possible and come up with a conclusion or do you just go along with a populist red meat thrown out by populist politicians who just aim their rhetoric at knee jerk reactionaries. You only have to look at many of the people who rioted earlier in the year. Do you think that they sat down at did research about immigration or even bothered to find out the facts of what actually happened with those poor children? Do you think that they looked into the negative economic possibilities of what Brexit was likely to bring us or just went with wanting their country back when they casted their votes?

 

35 minutes ago, CheshireSaint said:

All from left leaning sources no? Perhaps some articles from the opposite side of the political debate for balance. As we all know, data can be presented or cherry picked in many ways to fit ones agenda. I certainly wouldn't be listening to the BBC or any British educational sources for a balanced presentation of data. 

The above was a funny post from him. Telling people to look at as many sources of information as possible to come up with a conclusion. Meanwhile he himself posts link after link from the Guardian, BBC and LBC, even trying to pass off opinion pieces in the first one as FACT 

[whelk]

33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

The above was a funny post from him. Telling people to look at as many sources of information as possible to come up with a conclusion. Meanwhile he himself posts link after link from the Guardian, BBC and LBC, even trying to pass off opinion pieces in the first one as FACT 

I’d put money that you’d find in SOG’s search history ‘North London Jewish grooming gangs’ in his desperation to dismiss what actually happened and find something similar

His basic premise is ignore everything as other things happen, with his sanctimonious bent on it, of course

Edited Monday at 16:59 by whelk

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, CheshireSaint said:

All from left leaning sources no? Perhaps some articles from the opposite side of the political debate for balance. As we all know, data can be presented or cherry picked in many ways to fit ones agenda. I certainly wouldn't be listening to the BBC or any British educational sources for a balanced presentation of data. 

Well they certainly aren’t going to be from right leaning sources are they! I was working in the Criminal Justice System during that period and if there was a conspiracy not to bring certain ethnic types to justice you would think that we would have known about it.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Well they certainly aren’t going to be from right leaning sources are they! I was working in the Criminal Justice System during that period and if there was a conspiracy not to bring certain ethnic types to justice you would think that we would have known about it.

It would be the hot topic at coffee break time no doubt, assume it filtered it's way down to the low level filing clerks of course.

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, whelk said:

I’d put money that you’d find in SOG’s search history ‘North London Jewish grooming gangs’ in his desperation to dismiss what actually happened and find something similar

His basic premise is ignore everything as other things happen, with his sanctimonious bent on it, of course

Keir Starmer seems to be cut from the same cloth as SOG, everything he doesn't like is far right with him. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

I’d put money that you’d find in SOG’s search history ‘North London Jewish grooming gangs’ in his desperation to dismiss what actually happened and find something similar

His basic premise is ignore everything as other things happen, with his sanctimonious bent on it, of course

And you really are a piece of work too. If you had put money on me searching for Jewish grooming gangs you would have lost it.

The reason we know so much about Asian grooming gangs is because they are been through the system and are in jail. 

I know that you are your fellow forum Muslim haters don’t get it, but it is very apparent that you get yourselves more worked up about Muslims when they do anything illegal than you do for non Muslims.

How many times did Delldays/Batman post about non Muslims child abusers? How much time have you and your like spent posting about the child sexual abuse by the Christian churches (and very long term cover ups)?

Remind me just how many times Musk has tweeted about the sexual abuse in Christian organisations? Where are all the threads on here (I know of one because I actually started it!).

There has already been a national enquiry into child sex abuse in this country. It took 7 years to complete and is very comprehensive. Why do we need another one? Instead of having a go at Starmer and Jess Phillips, perhaps Musk should be asking the previous Tory government why they didn’t implement any of the recommendations (not that it has got anything to do with him anyway)?

Musk is a great advocate for free speech because it enables him to spread lies, disinformation and make mischief. Sadly he has an audience who swallow it hook line and sinker. Let’s just focus on Muslims shall we, it isn’t as if it is a much wider issue. Sexual abuse is sexual abuse. It doesn’t become worse if it is carried out by someone of a Muslim persuasion.
 

Edited Monday at 18:23 by sadoldgit

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

Who had Elon Musk bigging up Rupert Lowe on their 2025 bingo card?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875934421507039302?t=mk47sAQB-iFTRcmtxiX45A&s=19

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Who had Elon Musk bigging up Rupert Lowe on their 2025 bingo card?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875934421507039302?t=mk47sAQB-iFTRcmtxiX45A&s=19

Now I know for certain he is trolling.

[whelk]

 

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

How much time have you and your like spent posting about the child sexual abuse by the Christian churches (and very long term cover ups)?

Speaks volumes about you and your weird obsession with things. Why the fuck would I post about it? In your warped view where you think everyone is posting about Muslims, they aren’t but you are divorced from reality and obsess about far right bogey men and see them at every turn and in every thread. Fucking weird and there must be some deep reason

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

And you really are a piece of work too. If you had put money on me searching for Jewish grooming gangs you would have lost it.

The reason we know so much about Asian grooming gangs is because they are been through the system and are in jail. 

I know that you are your fellow forum Muslim haters don’t get it, but it is very apparent that you get yourselves more worked up about Muslims when they do anything illegal than you do for non Muslims.

How many times did Delldays/Batman post about non Muslims child abusers? How much time have you and your like spent posting about the child sexual abuse by the Christian churches (and very long term cover ups)?

Remind me just how many times Musk has tweeted about the sexual abuse in Christian organisations? Where are all the threads on here (I know of one because I actually started it!).

There has already been a national enquiry into child sex abuse in this country. It took 7 years to complete and is very comprehensive. Why do we need another one? Instead of having a go at Starmer and Jess Phillips, perhaps Musk should be asking the previous Tory government why they didn’t implement any of the recommendations (not that it has got anything to do with him anyway)?

Musk is a great advocate for free speech because it enables him to spread lies, disinformation and make mischief. Sadly he has an audience who swallow it hook line and sinker. Let’s just focus on Muslims shall we, it isn’t as if it is a much wider issue. Sexual abuse is sexual abuse. It doesn’t become worse if it is carried out by someone of a Muslim persuasion.
 

Because Oldham Council have requested it. Still, you know best because the Guardian told you what to think.

Edited Monday at 18:49 by Turkish

[whelk]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Where are all the threads on here (I know of one because I actually started it!).

Why don’t you start another one? Do you get off on child abuse?

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

 

Speaks volumes about you and your weird obsession with things. Why the fuck would I post about it? In your warped view where you think everyone is posting about Muslims, they aren’t but you are divorced from reality and obsess about far right bogey men and see them at every turn and in every thread. Fucking weird and there must be some deep reason

The Derek Vinyard of Romney Marsh

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

Why don’t you start another one? Do you get off on child abuse?

Well if the same abuse had happened throughout the UK’s mosques and covered up to the highest level you would be all over it.

[whelk]

19 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Well if the same abuse had happened throughout the UK’s mosques and covered up to the highest level you would be all over it.

As are the BBC and the Guardian. The Archbishop of Canterbury resigned. You miss the point though, this was covered up by the clergy to protect their own. Clearly appalling and they have that on their consciences. However if it was not investigated for fear of being seen as an anti-Christian it would be a different matter, it wasn’t it was just an institution trying to manage internally. The point with the Asian gangs is that some in positions of authority were so fearful of being branded racist they’d rather let a 13 yo girl suffer than investigate - incredibly weak people.

Edited Monday at 19:15 by whelk

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

As are the BBC and the Guardian. The Archbishop of Canterbury resigned. You miss the point though, this was covered up by the clergy to protect their own. Clearly appalling and they have that on their consciences. However if it was not investigated for fear of being seen as an anti-Christian it would be a different matter, it wasn’t it was just an institution trying to manage internally. The point with the Asian gangs is that some were so fearful of being branded racist they’d rather let a 13 yo girl suffer than investigate - incredibly weak people.

I understand the differences with both cases but if it was mosques where kids were being abused and it was covered up to the highest level by the Muslim institutions you, the Daily Mail, Musk, Farage etc would be all over it.

[Turkish]

33 minutes ago, whelk said:

Why don’t you start another one? Do you get off on child abuse?

He started one here and in true SOG style rather than making it about child abuse he made it about him and the people he didn't like on here. 

 

I think Kraken said it pretty well

Just how much of a cunt do you have to be to see this news story and instantly think "right, onto Saintsweb I go and make it all about posters I don't like".

Don't answer, it was rhetorical.  But, that much of a cunt.

 

Everyone has got his number. 

Edited Monday at 19:22 by Turkish

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I understand the differences with both cases but if it was mosques where kids were being abused and it was covered up to the highest level by the Muslim institutions you, the Daily Mail, Musk, Farage etc would be all over it.

 

What about what about what about...

 

im not sure you did until it was pointed out to you. You have a long history of this so no surprises here.

[whelk]

13 minutes ago, aintforever said:

you, the Daily Mail, Musk, Farage etc would be all over it.

Yeah I just am so on the same wavelength as all the above. Nice and convenient for you to pigeon hole but try and actually be objective about the issue. Don’t just think which side you want/need to be on. 

Edited Monday at 19:33 by whelk

[aintforever]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

What about what about what about...

 

im not sure you did until it was pointed out to you. You have a long history of this so no surprises here.

It’s not whataboutery, just using two examples to highlight certain people’s agendas.

If people want an inquiry because the genuinely care about child abuse and sex crimes that’s fine, I don’t think that is the case here though.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

It’s not whataboutery, just using two examples to highlight certain people’s agendas.

If people want an inquiry because the genuinely care about child abuse and sex crimes that’s fine, I don’t think that is the case here though.

You dont think people care about child abuse and sex crimes? Wow!

Oldham council are asking for it, not this forum by the way but im sure you knew that anyway before it was explained to you.

[Gloucester Saint]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You dont think people care about child abuse and sex crimes? Wow!

Oldham council are asking for it, not this forum by the way but im sure you knew that anyway before it was explained to you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8xl4d3m81o

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, CheshireSaint said:

All from left leaning sources no? Perhaps some articles from the opposite side of the political debate for balance. As we all know, data can be presented or cherry picked in many ways to fit ones agenda. I certainly wouldn't be listening to the BBC or any British educational sources for a balanced presentation of data. 

Is that the same BBC that had Richard Sharp https://www.ft.com/content/2c492290-61f6-4dc2-acae-84bd01f7be62 chairing until 2023 and Tim Davie the ex-Conservative Party candidate? https://news.sky.com/story/bbc-defends-appearance-of-tim-davie-at-1922-committee-of-tory-mps-amid-row-over-israel-hamas-war-coverage-12992692

[badgerx16]

16 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Is that the same BBC that had Richard Sharp https://www.ft.com/content/2c492290-61f6-4dc2-acae-84bd01f7be62 chairing until 2023 and Tim Davie the ex-Conservative Party candidate? https://news.sky.com/story/bbc-defends-appearance-of-tim-davie-at-1922-committee-of-tory-mps-amid-row-over-israel-hamas-war-coverage-12992692

The BBC that also employs Tory mouthpiece Laura Kuenssberg.

[aintforever]

52 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You dont think people care about child abuse and sex crimes? Wow!

Oldham council are asking for it, not this forum by the way but im sure you knew that anyway before it was explained to you.

It’s not that they don’t care about child abuse, just that the motivation behind the tweets is just political dog whistling.

Looks to me like finally implementing the findings of the inquiries that have taken place should be the priority now.

[Gloucester Saint]

Where’s that GIF gone showing Far Right 2024 as a family sitting around a Sunday roast?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr56g4v28g7o

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Who had Elon Musk bigging up Rupert Lowe on their 2025 bingo card?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875934421507039302?t=mk47sAQB-iFTRcmtxiX45A&s=19

Musk is in for a shock when Rupert executes a reverse take over of X, turning it into an award winning radio station. 🙂

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Musk is in for a shock when Rupert executes a reverse take over of X, turning it into an award winning radio station. 🙂

Any chance Elon can recommend Rasmus Ankersen for leader of whoever the Danish equivalent of Reform or the EDL is?

The only way we might get rid of the cunt.

Edited Monday at 21:01 by Gloucester Saint

[RedArmy]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

Look at the reaction on here. Mention it you must be racist. Mention it but why aren't you mentioning grooming gangs here, there, somewhere else. Mention it you're only mentioning it because you're using it to attack muslims. The social conditioning that people talk about is alive and well.

And they’re too blinded to see that it’s these exact responses and attitudes that helped it to get so out of control in the fucking first place.

 

 

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

And they’re too blinded to see that it’s these exact responses and attitudes that helped it to get so out of control in the fucking first place.

 

 

Imagine a social worker with concerns going to their boss who thought like Aintforever?  “You’re only coming to me with this because you love Tommy Robinson and Farage. Go and find some abuse going on in the church you racist bastard”

 

[RedArmy]

We all know why don’t we you racist scum. 

[Turkish]

12 hours ago, aintforever said:

It’s not that they don’t care about child abuse, just that the motivation behind the tweets is just political dog whistling.

Looks to me like finally implementing the findings of the inquiries that have taken place should be the priority now.

now this we can agree on. The problem is no one seems to be talking about the kids who are the victims, it' all if it's racist or not which is utterly ridiculous.

[hypochondriac]

12 hours ago, aintforever said:

It’s not that they don’t care about child abuse, just that the motivation behind the tweets is just political dog whistling.

Looks to me like finally implementing the findings of the inquiries that have taken place should be the priority now.

So what? I don't care what the motivation is. It's a positive that it's being highlighted and that pressure is being put on the right people to actually do something. 

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So what? I don't care what the motivation is. It's a positive that it's being highlighted and that pressure is being put on the right people to actually do something. 

Musk seems to have only discovered this old news and getting excitable hurling insults and showing himself to be very uninformed on who is culpable.

Agree it is an issue and even liberals who SOG would admire acknowledge it. - I recall an exchange with him years ago where he would not acknowledge race was a factor in the lack of action. The fact that Tice and Badenoch don't dare say a word against Musk weighing in is beyond embarrassing and speaks to their lack of leadership. Think Farage actually comes out of it well. Also Starmer can defend himself capably but sure many won’t take time to listen to him or look at his record.

 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

now this we can agree on. The problem is no one seems to be talking about the kids who are the victims, it' all if it's racist or not which is utterly ridiculous.

As for dog whistling…. Countless have almost made a living dog whistling against Trump since 2016. Some even sent ‘volunteers’ to meddle in a foreign election fairly recently (against trump). 

Edited yesterday at 11:01 by AlexLaw76

[Gloucester Saint]

30 minutes ago, whelk said:

Musk seems to have only discovered this old news and getting excitable hurling insults and showing himself to be very uninformed on who is culpable.

Agree it is an issue and even liberals who SOG would admire acknowledge it. - I recall an exchange with him years ago where he would not acknowledge race was a factor in the lack of action. The fact that Tice and Badenoch don't dare say a word against Musk weighing in is beyond embarrassing and speaks to their lack of leadership. Think Farage actually comes out of it well. Also Starmer can defend himself capably but sure many won’t take time to listen to him or look at his record.

 

Tice has his own motivations and Badenoch is desperate for the cash and a completely empty vessel intellectually. Agree that Farage and Starmer have shown backbone. The idea that Musk is highlighting this for the public good is hilarious - an arsonist pure and simple trying to re-create 1970s South Africa in the West. Watch him turn on Vance next and end up being a wealthy Cummings to Trump’s Boris by the summer. The GOP are very wary of him and the skilled visa and budget issues are an appetiser of what to expect.

[badgerx16]

29 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Some event sent ‘volunteers’ to meddle in a foreign election fairly recently (against trump). 

Surely you don't mean former Tory Cabinet Minister Robert Buckland, who actively campaigned for Kamala Harris.

[sadoldgit]

You can see where Elon gets it from.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/elon-musk-tommy-robinson-keir-starmer-prime-minister-b2674961.html

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

As for dog whistling…. Countless have almost made a living dog whistling against Trump since 2016. Some even sent ‘volunteers’ to meddle in a foreign election fairly recently (against trump). 

You don’t see the difference between the richest man in the world using his massive social media platform and influence to spread lies, misinformation and his own political agenda and a few people delivering leaflets then?

It figures.

I’m guessing your next reincarnation on here will be as ElonMusk69.

Edited yesterday at 13:33 by sadoldgit

[AlexLaw76]

17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You don’t see the difference between the richest man in the world using his massive social media platform and influence to spread lies, misinformation and his own political agenda and a few people delivering leaflets then?

It figures.

I’m guessing your next reincarnation on here will be as ElonMusk69.

George Soros, Bill Gates et al have all influenced (or try to) this country.

i guess that is fine though (for you)

Edited 23 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[SotonianWill]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You don’t see the difference between the richest man in the world using his massive social media platform and influence to spread lies, misinformation and his own political agenda and a few people delivering leaflets then?

It figures.

I’m guessing your next reincarnation on here will be as ElonMusk69.

Elon Musk’s posts normally get around 4-5 million views. A good tweet achieves 15 million. 
 

The BBC has access to 450 million people worldwide, according to themselves. Their America coverage was incredibly biased against Trump. Do you hold the same contempt for the BBC’s meddling in the American election?

Edited 23 hours ago by SotonianWill

[Lord Duckhunter]

He can’t be all bad, he’s called Ed Davey a “snivelling cretin”. 

He also highlighted that Davey voted against deporting foreign rapists. 

[sadoldgit]

Just what is needed, more common sense and less pointless politicking. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp836w074gko.amp

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Elon Musk’s posts normally get around 4-5 million views. A good tweet achieves 15 million. 
 

The BBC has access to 450 million people worldwide, according to themselves. Their America coverage was incredibly biased against Trump. Do you hold the same contempt for the BBC’s meddling in the American election?

Posts on X are also subject to moderation via the independent mechanism of Community Notes. This has seen many posts including ones from Musk being clarified or corrected frequently. Is that the case for news organisations? Certainly not at the same speed. 

[sadoldgit]

5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He can’t be all bad, he’s called Ed Davey a “snivelling cretin”. 

He also highlighted that Davey voted against deporting foreign rapists. 

So he can’t be all bad because he calls a decent man childish names and wants a multiple convicted felon released from jail? You have some very strange standards.

[east-stand-nic]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

So he can’t be all bad because he calls a decent man childish names and wants a multiple convicted felon released from jail? You have some very strange standards.

Once again you decline to avoid answering Will who totally outed you for your double standards again.

[sadoldgit]

11 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Elon Musk’s posts normally get around 4-5 million views. A good tweet achieves 15 million. 
 

The BBC has access to 450 million people worldwide, according to themselves. Their America coverage was incredibly biased against Trump. Do you hold the same contempt for the BBC’s meddling in the American election?

The BBC have also broadcasted Musk’s comments, amplifying his words beyond his own platform. I don’t recall them broadcasting lies and misinformation either. Can you show me the quotes where the BBC use Musk’s tactics of blatant lies and disinformation?