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Gloucester Saint

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  On 24/12/2024 at 21:47, Sarnia Cherie said:

Digressing a bit. I would love an Elon Musk type businessman to carry out a thorough assessment of the NHS from top to bottom. I worked for them for 17 years and the waste of money is appalling. We don't need to keep throwing money at it but we do need to make sure the NHS gets full value for the money it spends. Billions could be saved if this was done.

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There’s a huge difference between a business and a public service having worked for both. Agree that the funding can be better directed and invested but businesses and public services take entirely different perspectives on what’s good for shareholders vs service users/critically ill/free at point of use/politicians. 

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Turkish

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  On 25/12/2024 at 11:11, Gloucester Saint said:

There’s a huge difference between a business and a public service having worked for both. Agree that the funding can be better directed and invested but businesses and public services take entirely different perspectives on what’s good for shareholders vs service users/critically ill/free at point of use/politicians. 

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Stop posting sense, this thread is to slag off Elon Musk 

whelk

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  On 25/12/2024 at 11:11, Gloucester Saint said:

There’s a huge difference between a business and a public service having worked for both. Agree that the funding can be better directed and invested but businesses and public services take entirely different perspectives on what’s good for shareholders vs service users/critically ill/free at point of use/politicians. 

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Efficiency is efficiency though. So much incompetence in so many large organisations as jobs then have to justify themselves rather than reviewed as to whether still needed and so often going to be a case of turkeys not voting for Christmas. Very difficult to change cultures as the public sector can attract a certain type.

Elon Musk would be the worst possible troubleshooter for the NHS. Wouldn’t trust that cunt with anything

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Turkish

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  On 25/12/2024 at 12:31, whelk said:

Other opinions are available 

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Im not for a second saying he’s the right person for that role but to say he’s a Poundland chancer and we need a proper businessman is absurd. It’s the business version of saying Messi is no good because he couldn’t do it on a February night is Stoke. 

Dark Munster

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If Musk took over the NHS he'd take care of the waste by transferring it to his bank account. He's only worth $350 billion. He needs at least a trillion to retire comfortably (on Mars).

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rallyboy

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  On 25/12/2024 at 10:56, Turkish said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


“a poundland villain chancer” 

Musk is the richest man in the world, a businessman and entrepreneur who has run businesses for over 30 years and is now CEO of some of the worlds biggest companies, yet you’d rather a proper businessman got involved?

You might not like him but don’t talk bollocks 

 

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You misquoted me, you removed a key word.

I called him a Poundland Bond Villain chancer.

He is a Poundland Bond Villain, look at him with his space programme, his odd face and his cat - and he's definitely a chancer, and also the man who has lost more money than anyone in history, so I still wouldn't ask him for advice on how to run a 2025 NHS.

And I'm not sure why you needed to be personally abusive, the toxic stuff drives sensible people away and we need them to make a forum. 

We wouldn't want this place to become a freak show.

 

SotonianWill

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  On 25/12/2024 at 10:03, rallyboy said:

I would also like a proper businessman or woman to carry out a thorough assessment of the NHS from top to bottom - but I wouldn't want someone like Elon Musk anywhere near it.

His lack of judgement has lost him tens and possibly hundreds of billions of pounds in recent years, he's just a Poundland Bond villain chancer who made a killing on someone else's skills and now wants to be a presidential puppet master.

Let's get a proper business person in to look at it.

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“Johnny English Strikes Again” showed Elon Musk would be a mediocre Bond villain. 

whelk

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I imagine if Elon Musk had cosied up to Biden not Trump then many of those crowing about his entrepreneurial skills would be deriding him now as only been successful from taking subsidies and tax payers’ money 

 

 

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Turkish

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  On 26/12/2024 at 11:07, whelk said:

I imagine if Elon Musk had cosied up to Biden not Trump then many of those crowing about his entrepreneurial skills would be deriding him now as only been successful from taking subsidies and tax payers’ money 

 

 

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Equally those starting threads just to criticise him and spent 3 pages saying what a hideous person he is would be lauding him as the savour of the modern world. 

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Turkish

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  On 26/12/2024 at 10:44, rallyboy said:

You misquoted me, you removed a key word.

I called him a Poundland Bond Villain chancer.

He is a Poundland Bond Villain, look at him with his space programme, his odd face and his cat - and he's definitely a chancer, and also the man who has lost more money than anyone in history, so I still wouldn't ask him for advice on how to run a 2025 NHS.

And I'm not sure why you needed to be personally abusive, the toxic stuff drives sensible people away and we need them to make a forum. 

We wouldn't want this place to become a freak show.

 

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A chancer worth over $400b, okay pal 

Turkish

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  On 26/12/2024 at 12:19, hypochondriac said:

Almost double the net worth of the next richest man. It would be like hating the politics of Jeff Bezos so dismissing him as a chancer.

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There are a lot of things to dislike about Elon Musk but that is the case for CEOs of many large corporations. They’re not nice, lovely cuddly people. 

to dismiss him as a chancer and not a proper businessman is utterly ludicrous. 

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hypochondriac

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  On 26/12/2024 at 12:38, Turkish said:

There are a lot of things to dislike about Elon Musk but that is the case for CEOs of many large corporations. They’re not nice, lovely cuddly people. 

to dismiss him as a chancer and not a proper businessman is utterly ludicrous. 

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He's probably not someone you would ever want to meet with socially. Many accounts of Steve Jobs describe him as a terrible person who neglected relationships and upset people all the time. I'm not sure you'd ever describe him as a chancer even though politically he appeared to be somewhat of a hippie. 

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SotonianWill

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  On 28/12/2024 at 13:35, sadoldgit said:

I don’t know how I missed this. Nothing to worry about here then?

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/29/elon-musk-neuralink-first-human-brain-chip-implant

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Putting on tin foil hat...

 

Friends with Trump > Uses friends with President liberty to push for further AI > DOGE cuts AI red tape > DOGE cuts costs by putting AI in every department > Unregulated AI put in every home > AI takes over human thought. 

 

Takes off tin foil hat

hypochondriac

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  On 28/12/2024 at 21:37, SotonianWill said:

Putting on tin foil hat...

 

Friends with Trump > Uses friends with President liberty to push for further AI > DOGE cuts AI red tape > DOGE cuts costs by putting AI in every department > Unregulated AI put in every home > AI takes over human thought. 

 

Takes off tin foil hat

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Although tbf Musk has been warning about AI without limits and a need for regulation regarding AI for ages. 

Turkish

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  On 30/12/2024 at 15:16, sadoldgit said:

Musk a hypocrite? Surely not.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-x-positive-content-b2671550.html

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🤣🤣🤣🤣

scraping the scrapings off the scraps left on the bottom of the barrel you utter clown 

an article quoting people off twitter, something you’re regularly criticising people on here of doing

whos the hypocrite?!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

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Turkish

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  On 30/12/2024 at 18:03, badgerx16 said:

Could be (un)Truth Social for all I care, just another sign of people willing to be told what to think.

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yep and its even deeper than that. A person could say the same thing on two different platforms and on one of them it's disgusting, disgraceful comments and on the others its perfectly acceptable comment. Same goes for who is saying it too.

SotonianWill

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  On 30/12/2024 at 10:43, hypochondriac said:

Although tbf Musk has been warning about AI without limits and a need for regulation regarding AI for ages. 

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Yet he wants the future to involve humans combining consciousness with AI - through a brain chip; all to avoid being “left behind by AI”.

 

His fears surrounding AI are fears against his own actions (neuralink and optimus). I’m for AI being implemented in a safe manner, but don’t fully trust him with his new found power. 

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hypochondriac

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  On 30/12/2024 at 22:59, SotonianWill said:

Yet he wants the future to involve humans combining consciousness with AI - through a brain chip; all to avoid being “left behind by AI”.

 

His fears surrounding AI are fears against his own actions (neuralink and optimus). I’m for AI being implemented in a safe manner, but don’t fully trust him with his new found power. 

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Well I certainly wouldn't trust his competitors. At least he's voiced his concerns repeatedly. It remains to be seen if he's just lying or not. 

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whelk

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  On 31/12/2024 at 08:09, hypochondriac said:

Well I certainly wouldn't trust his competitors. At least he's voiced his concerns repeatedly. It remains to be seen if he's Judy lying or not. 

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I’d trust Bill Gates far more than Musk.

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whelk

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  On 31/12/2024 at 08:18, hypochondriac said:

Both have great achievements. I expect both of them are arseholes in person although obviously I've never met either of them. 

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I know more about Gates and there does appear genuine altruism. Musk seems a more volatile narcissist. Gates is also wise enough not to put random uninformed opinions on social media. 

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whelk

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  On 31/12/2024 at 08:29, Turkish said:

Course you do. That’ll be the Covid vaccine effect 

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I also trust him to make much better weather than the others. Really considerate to give the Uk the lockdown weather. As I said altruism at work 

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hypochondriac

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  On 31/12/2024 at 08:25, whelk said:

I know more about Gates and there does appear genuine altruism. Musk seems a more volatile narcissist. Gates is also wise enough not to put random uninformed opinions on social media. 

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To be fair if Musk does get someone to Mars he will have achieved far more than Gates-whether it's for altruistic reasons or not. 

whelk

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  On 31/12/2024 at 10:35, hypochondriac said:

To be fair if Musk does get someone to Mars he will have achieved far more than Gates-whether it's for altruistic reasons or not. 

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Bollocks will he - the red squiggle underline spellchecker warning is much more use to me than seeing some prick bounce around on red rock moaning that there is no vegetation or water. There’s thinking big and there’s utter.noneense.

hypochondriac

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  On 31/12/2024 at 10:47, whelk said:

Bollocks will he - the red squiggle underline spellchecker warning is much more use to me than seeing some prick bounce around on red rock moaning that there is no vegetation or water. There’s thinking big and there’s utter.noneense.

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Can't agree with that. You getting to Mars would be an unbelievable achievement. 

hypochondriac

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:03, egg said:

An achievement, yes, but for no purpose other than a literal ego trip. 

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America walking on the moon was not done for altruistic reasons. In fact, almost every amazing world feat was done for competitive reasons or to feed an ego. Doesn't make them less great in my opinion. 

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sadoldgit

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:03, egg said:

An achievement, yes, but for no purpose other than a literal ego trip. 

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Absolutely this. It makes no sense at all to think about colonising a dead planet (and why send humans when bots can do the job if you aren’t looking at colonisation) whilst actively killing our own. Sending out satellites and robots is one thing, humans another. Unless of course we send Musk himself. 
 

One for the conspiracy theorists. If we can’t trust Bill Gates and Covid vaccines, why should we trust someone Musk and brain implants? We’d all be buying Teslas and voting Reform.

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egg

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:11, The Kraken said:

I really don’t like Musk at all but his drive and funding of Space-X is remarkable.

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His drive and determination is incredible. I just don't see any tangible benefits of getting to mars - we know there's no proper life there, and that it can't sustain proper life. If there's anything meaningful out there, it's way beyond mars. 

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hypochondriac

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:16, egg said:

His drive and determination is incredible. I just don't see any tangible benefits of getting to mars - we know there's no proper life there, and that it can't sustain proper life. If there's anything meaningful out there, it's way beyond mars. 

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Was there any tangible benefit to walking on the moon? Has there been no technological advancements or improvements as a result of that mission? 

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:20, hypochondriac said:

Was there any tangible benefit to walking on the moon? Has there been no technological advancements or improvements as a result of that mission? 

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I'm not talking about the moon. 

The Kraken

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:16, egg said:

His drive and determination is incredible. I just don't see any tangible benefits of getting to mars - we know there's no proper life there, and that it can't sustain proper life. If there's anything meaningful out there, it's way beyond mars. 

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I see it the other way and that there are plenty of tangible benefits of getting to Mars, not least the huge drive in technological innovation it would take to get there which, like the Apollo missions, is likely to result in any number of spin-off tech at home.

And if we’re going further afield than Mars, it’s a logical first step.

 

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hypochondriac

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:22, egg said:

I'm not talking about the moon. 

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See below 

 

  On 31/12/2024 at 11:24, The Kraken said:

I see it the other way and that there are plenty of tangible benefits of getting to Mars, not least the huge drive in technological innovation it would take to get there which, like the Apollo missions, is likely to result in any number of spin-off tech at home.

And if we’re going further afield than Mars, it’s a logical first step.

 

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Exactly which was my point which seems to have been missed. By any metric if it ever happens it will be an astounding achievement and arguably the greatest human feat. 

egg

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:24, The Kraken said:

I see it the other way and that there are plenty of tangible benefits of getting to Mars, not least the huge drive in technological innovation it would take to get there which, like the Apollo missions, is likely to result in any number of spin-off tech at home.

And if we’re going further afield than Mars, it’s a logical first step.

 

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Interesting observation, and the tech Innovation point is a good one. I look at what we achieved way back (getting to the moon, blackbird, concorde, etc) and see very little progress in that area whereas the advances with computers, phones, medical equipment, etc, is massive. I guess something like this may spark progress and innovation.

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egg

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  On 31/12/2024 at 11:25, hypochondriac said:

See below 

 

Exactly which was my point which seems to have been missed. By any metric if it ever happens it will be an astounding achievement and arguably the greatest human feat. 

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He made an actual point. 

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