Elon Musk

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s ok to be wrong sometimes, you are amongst fellow Saints fans.

Sports Republic-esq 🤪 ...about the man significantly richer than anyone else on the earth?

He is a prat simple, but a chancer who is runs his portfolio like Sports Republic is faring hilarious.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Turkish said:

Elon Musk 'wants to buy Liverpool' despite Man United takeover preference - Manchester Evening News

if this happens it'd be hilarious. 

With their fanbase….

Football fans are fickle as fuck though.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Sports Republic-esq 🤪 ...about the man significantly richer than anyone else on the earth?

He is a prat simple, but a chancer who is runs his portfolio like Sports Republic is faring hilarious.

Oh he’s worth a shitload more than anyone else, but his outbursts are wiping plenty off the market share and book value of his firms. X is a quarter of the size from when he bought it. If he just wants it as a playground and megaphone, dumping it afterwards, he’s succeeding. But from a business perspective it’s like SR turning a mid-table PL football club into the Champ relegation zone just to try a few philosophies.

SR have been shite, we both agree on that, but I can’t think that was their original aim!

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Nice words, but he’s saying ‘we can’t moderate or remove sex offenders, bots, racism, Putin operatives’ because it’ll eat into my profits and using the censorship excuse. 

Zuckerberg is completely concerned about that and a share of the White House good boy biscuits.🍪 

Musk is losing sight of his core businesses, Zuckerberg never does. He’s unpleasant but a political weathervane. By the mid-terms he’ll swing away again if Trump is fucking up.

Why does it matter if Musk loses sight of his businesses or not? He's the richest man in the world by miles, he can pretty much do anything he likes. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Oh he’s worth a shitload more than anyone else, but his outbursts are wiping plenty off the market share and book value of his firms. X is a quarter of the size from when he bought it. If he just wants it as a playground and megaphone, dumping it afterwards, he’s succeeding. But from a business perspective it’s like SR turning a mid-table PL football club into the Champ relegation zone just to try a few philosophies.

SR have been shite, we both agree on that, but I can’t think that was their original aim!

Musk said on more than one occasion that he vastly overpaid for twitter. What it gives him now is much more valuable than what he paid. Money can't buy the kind of exposure and megaphone it gives him. When you have the sort of money he has why would he have to think about mundane things like X making money? It could lose money every single year for the rest of his life and he'd still have hundreds of billions. 

Edited Tuesday at 19:51 by hypochondriac

[Gloucester Saint]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why does it matter if Musk loses sight of his businesses or not? He's the richest man in the world by miles, he can pretty much do anything he likes. 

Credibility for one, hard to argue that government should be run more like a business (a frequent theme with GOP voters) when you’ve needlessly run your own into the ground.

Hasn’t stopped Trump I suppose….

Just a bit nuts, to say the least, making your fortune from EV and then climbing into bed with climate sceptics of the most extreme kind.

But then he thinks Lowe would be a better Reform leader than Farage so his judgement might not be great. I’m no Farage fan but I think we saw enough 1996-09 to put Elon right on that one…

Edited Tuesday at 19:57 by Gloucester Saint

[The Kraken]

11 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Oh he’s worth a shitload more than anyone else, but his outbursts are wiping plenty off the market share and book value of his firms. X is a quarter of the size from when he bought it. If he just wants it as a playground and megaphone, dumping it afterwards, he’s succeeding. But from a business perspective it’s like SR turning a mid-table PL football club into the Champ relegation zone just to try a few philosophies.

SR have been shite, we both agree on that, but I can’t think that was their original aim!

Thats exactly why he wants it. It’s a personal vanity project in getting his name front and centre.  Clearly working too, we’ve got our bloody prime minister making press conferences where he rebuffs Musk’s nonsensical outbursts.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, The Kraken said:

Thats exactly why he wants it. It’s a personal vanity project in getting his name front and centre.  Clearly working too, we’ve got our bloody prime minister making press conferences where he rebuffs Musk’s nonsensical outbursts.

It’ll only work for so long though, and he’s as popular as a turd in most of Europe, even more so than most unpopular Prime Ministers.

And Tesla is tanking big time with it.

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Credibility for one, hard to argue that government should be run more like a business (a frequent theme with GOP voters) when you’ve needlessly run your own into the ground.

Hasn’t stopped Trump I suppose….

Just a bit nuts, to say the least, making your fortune from EV and then climbing into bed with climate sceptics of the most extreme kind.

But then he thinks Lowe would be a better Reform leader than Farage so his judgement might not be great. I’m no Farage fan but I think we saw enough 1996-09 to put Elon right on that one…

If we are to take him at his word (he could be lying but let's be charitable) then his claim is that the Republicans were less censorious and he claims to care more about freedom of expression and his ultimate goal of going to Mars, continuing humanity and increasing the world birthrate. Maybe he cares about those things more than his electric vehicle business which he can afford to do when he's got hundreds of billions and Tesla is essentially a side venture. 

Think we can all agree with your last point though. 

Edited Tuesday at 20:24 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Thats exactly why he wants it. It’s a personal vanity project in getting his name front and centre.  Clearly working too, we’ve got our bloody prime minister making press conferences where he rebuffs Musk’s nonsensical outbursts.

Quite possibly. He can set the news agenda with a few tweets. He's arguably the most powerful man in the world. Certainly one of the most powerful. 

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’ll only work for so long though, and he’s as popular as a turd in most of Europe, even more so than most unpopular Prime Ministers.

And Tesla is tanking big time with it.

Why would he give a fuck how some no mark Europeans view him? Or really how Tesla does? I really don't understand why you think things like that would bother him in the slightest. In some ways he has more power and influence than anyone in human history, he's got unfathomable amounts of wealth and can do pretty much anything he likes. It's almost impossible to imagine what it would be like to be in that situation but I certainly wouldn't be giving a single shit about the share price of Tesla or that Ven Der leyen or Macron thinks I'm an arsehole. In fact, I'd probably find it amusing how little they can actually do about it. 

Edited Tuesday at 20:18 by hypochondriac

[Gloucester Saint]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would he give a fuck how some no mark Europeans view him? Or really how Tesla does? I really don't understand why you think things like that would bother him in the slightest. In some ways he has more power and influence than anyone in human history, he's got unfathomable amounts of wealth and can do pretty much anything he likes. It's almost impossible to imagine what it would be like to be in that situation but I certainly wouldn't be giving a single shit about the share price of Tesla or that even Dr leyen or Macron thinks I'm an arsehole. In fact, I'd probably find it amusing how little they can actually do about it. 

But then I wouldn’t want to interfere in another nation’s democracy in the first place. Whether I had the wealth to do so or not. Especially one that has built a successful state post-fascism over 80 years and doesn’t want to get dragged back into it.

Absorbing the East and the migrant intakes 2010s plus reliance on Russian has not helped them but the AFD are like decapitating yourself when you’ve got a headache.

What he did to the Law academic over his pay package was psychopathic as well  https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/column-tesla-threatened-fire-law-firm-bid-block-musk-pay-critic-court-document-2024-05-13/

https://dealbreaker.com/2024/05/tesla-admits-to-bullying-law-firm-but-prefers-we-not-call-it-bullying

Edited Tuesday at 20:26 by Gloucester Saint

[whelk]

36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would he give a fuck how some no mark Europeans view him? Or really how Tesla does? I really don't understand why you think things like that would bother him in the slightest. In some ways he has more power and influence than anyone in human history, he's got unfathomable amounts of wealth and can do pretty much anything he likes. It's almost impossible to imagine what it would be like to be in that situation but I certainly wouldn't be giving a single shit about the share price of Tesla or that Ven Der leyen or Macron thinks I'm an arsehole. In fact, I'd probably find it amusing how little they can actually do about it. 

You worship the wrong things

[Turkish]

America is coming to free us!

 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

America is coming to free us!

 

Our military will smash them

[Holmes_and_Watson]

21 minutes ago, whelk said:

Our military will smash them

"Don't tell him, Pike!"

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

With their fanbase….

Football fans are fickle as fuck though.

Another thread of Rupert's plan. Using Sammy Lee and Adam Lallana to show Elon that, considering how many Saints players end up at Liverpool, buying us is just getting in early.

So, given the choice....

Sport Republic with Ankerson?

Musk Jr & Rupert?

[badgerx16]

31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

America is coming to free us!

 

Donnie is being careful in picking his fights though; Greenland ( Denmark ), Canada, and Panama are the first three in his sights. Shades of the US Marines taking on Grenada.

Edited Tuesday at 21:41 by badgerx16

[Holmes_and_Watson]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Donnie is being careful in picking his fights though; Greenland ( Denmark ), Canada, and Panama are the first three in his sights. Shades of the US Marines taking on Grenada.

X News... Trump stable in hospital...Attack on Iceland abandoned following irate shopper trolley attacks...US military spokesperson General C'Atastrophe declares military not geographically challenged, to passersby 10miles from the press conference... [insert person] does [insert activity] to [insert person/group] and under new X law, must prove their innocence...World politicians used as sock puppets by Trump and Musk continues... This is X News...

 

Edited Tuesday at 21:55 by Holmes_and_Watson

[BARCELONASAINT]

I absolutely detest MUSK. He is an absolute bellend and a bloody dangerous one at that. I wouldnt be quite so concerned about him had he not had the ear of another equally total bellend in Trump!

[egg]

2 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

I absolutely detest MUSK. He is an absolute bellend and a bloody dangerous one at that. I wouldnt be quite so concerned about him had he not had the ear of another equally total bellend in Trump!

Yep. What we don't yet know is the extent of his influence over Trump, and how much a role he'll have running the new US/Greenland/Panama/Canada superstate. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

You worship the wrong things

Not really because I'm not Elon musk nor would I want to be it is probably a terrible life. I think you need to use a bit more imagination. 

Edited Tuesday at 22:04 by hypochondriac

[whelk]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Not really because I'm not Elon musk. I think you need to use a bit more imagination. 

 

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

In some ways he has more power and influence than anyone in human history, he's got unfathomable amounts of wealth and can do pretty much anything he likes

In defining ‘pretty much anything’ what are you imagining? Commanding an army? Building a health system or an education system or a welfare state? Curing diseases?

He is just rich. He aint going to reach Mars so will be remembered for not much. A little catchy rocket, some satellites and pretentious cars. And being a colossal cunt on Twitter

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would he give a fuck how some no mark Europeans view him? Or really how Tesla does? I really don't understand why you think things like that would bother him in the slightest. In some ways he has more power and influence than anyone in human history, he's got unfathomable amounts of wealth and can do pretty much anything he likes. It's almost impossible to imagine what it would be like to be in that situation but I certainly wouldn't be giving a single shit about the share price of Tesla or that Ven Der leyen or Macron thinks I'm an arsehole. In fact, I'd probably find it amusing how little they can actually do about it. 

No he doesn't.

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

 

In defining ‘pretty much anything’ what are you imagining? Commanding an army? Building a health system or an education system or a welfare state? Curing diseases?

He is just rich. He aint going to reach Mars so will be remembered for not much. A little catchy rocket, some satellites and pretentious cars. And being a colossal cunt on Twitter

No I meant running around naked on a private island, tweeting on a solid gold toilet whilst having a wank and publically insulting world leaders in front of millions for a laugh because he's the richest man in the world and he doesn't have to care what anyone else thinks or even about how he's company is doing. I'm not saying it's right but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's not close to the truth. It seems like everything is a game to him which I expect would be the case for many people after a few years of multiple billions and little to care about. He's probably just bored and making his own entertainment. He's apparently incredibly intelligent so it also wouldn't surprise me if a lot of this is calculated as I said with some wider goal in mind. Maybe provoking Europe into tighter regulation of social media which would in turn provoke a Trump response to get what he wants. I don't know but it could well be the case. 

Edited Tuesday at 22:18 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

No he doesn't.

He can send out a few words on his phone whilst taking a shit and ruin companies, cause major diplomatic incidents and provoke public responses from all manner of world leaders. He has more wealth than a lot of countries. No one in history has had their voice amplified in that manner before and the platform to keep doing it so as I said, in some ways he does. 

[revolution saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

He can send out a few words on his phone whilst taking a shit and ruin companies, cause major diplomatic incidents and provoke public responses from all manner of world leaders. He has more wealth than a lot of countries. No one in history has had their voice amplified in that manner before and the platform to keep doing it so as I said, in some ways he does. 

You're confusing his ability to make a few short-lived headlines with actual power, of which, he has very little.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, revolution saint said:

You're confusing his ability to make a few short-lived headlines with actual power, of which, he has very little.

In the opinion of many commentators he had a big influence on the presidential election which will have changed the course of history. I think you underestimate the influence of social media and it's ability to go far beyond short-lived headlines. He holds immense power, both with his companies and the technology, his wealth and influence and his social media platform. He's immensely powerful, as is the likes of Mark Zuckerberg. Curious you would think otherwise. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, revolution saint said:

You're confusing his ability to make a few short-lived headlines with actual power, of which, he has very little.

I think you underestimate the power in words on a global scale, and the ability of people to believe his rhetoric. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I think you underestimate the power in words on a global scale, and the ability of people to believe his rhetoric. 

Exactly. I genuinely can't believe someone believing that the likes of Musk has no real power. That's an incredible thing to say. You can despise him all you like but he's undeniably a very powerful person. 

[revolution saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

In the opinion of many commentators he had a big influence on the presidential election which will have changed the course of history. I think you underestimate the influence of social media and it's ability to go far beyond short-lived headlines. He holds immense power, both with his companies and the technology, his wealth and influence and his social media platform. He's immensely powerful, as is the likes of Mark Zuckerberg. Curious you would think otherwise. 

Bizarre you would think that holding opinions and being able to voice them makes much of a difference.  Social media may have a big influence on people who use social media and think it's a big deal but, honestly, it's really not.  Xi Jinping has power, Putin has power, Trump has power.  Musk doesn't have anywhere near the same power and his ability to affect things is pretty small.

[rallyboy]

He's certainly got a few fans on here. 

[sadoldgit]

11 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Bizarre you would think that holding opinions and being able to voice them makes much of a difference.  Social media may have a big influence on people who use social media and think it's a big deal but, honestly, it's really not.  Xi Jinping has power, Putin has power, Trump has power.  Musk doesn't have anywhere near the same power and his ability to affect things is pretty small.

For someone with no power he certainly seems to get his views heard on major news channels regularly. He might not currently have the power of a Putin or Trump, but he clearly has a loud voice and a wide opportunity to influence people. Don't underestimate the ability of people like him to feed the prejudices of those easily led by far right propaganda.

There was a time not that long ago where clear lies and bullshit would make it past the news editors. Now they are broadcast regularly and get as much if not more attention to the truth. What is the old saying? A lie can be halfway around the world before the truth has got its shoes on?

Edited Tuesday at 22:43 by sadoldgit
Update

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Bizarre you would think that holding opinions and being able to voice them makes much of a difference.  Social media may have a big influence on people who use social media and think it's a big deal but, honestly, it's really not.  Xi Jinping has power, Putin has power, Trump has power.  Musk doesn't have anywhere near the same power and his ability to affect things is pretty small.

The largest voices on social media have an influence far beyond online and Musk currently has the largest voice of them all. Southport showed the influence of social media and that was just one incident one time localised to the UK. That's before you even mention the influence he has over the Ukraine war given his starlink which he allows them to use for free has had a massive influence on global affairs. Astounding to think otherwise. 

[revolution saint]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

For someone with no power he certainly seems to get his views heard on major news channels regularly. He might not currently have the power of a Putin or Trump, but he clearly has a loud voice and a wide opportunity to influence people. Don't underestimate the ability of people like him to feed the prejudices of those easily led by far right propaganda.

Again, just because his views are heard really doesn't equate to power and lets's not forget that the original claim was "He has more power and influence than anyone in human history" which is clearly laughable.

[egg]

6 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

He's certainly got a few fans on here. 

Recognising his influence on the masses (and Trump) doesn't make a person a fan of his. I'm no fan at all, he's dangerous, but that doesn't prevent me from taking an objective view. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, revolution saint said:

Again, just because his views are heard really doesn't equate to power and lets's not forget that the original claim was "He has more power and influence than anyone in human history" which is clearly laughable.

That was never the claim. 

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Again, just because his views are heard really doesn't equate to power and lets's not forget that the original claim was "He has more power and influence than anyone in human history" which is clearly laughable.

I don’t agree.

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That was never the claim. 

 

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

. In some ways he has more power and influence than anyone in human history, 

Which part did you want to retract then?

[hypochondriac]

Just now, revolution saint said:

 

Which part did you want to retract then?

Nothing. Maybe read it again? 

[The Kraken]

9 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

He's certainly got a few fans on here. 

This is a such simplistic way of phrasing things, but it’s no surprise that you got the one love heart you did.  The man is a complete berk and whatever else, the overwhelming opinion on here seems to agree with that. The only Musk “fans” on here are in your head, pretty much everyone else thinks he’s a cunt, but wave that flag if it makes you feel better I suppose 👍

[sadoldgit]

When Lammy made his negative comments about Trump a while back I doubt if anyone in the US has a clue about them. Within hours of Musk making disparaging comments about Starmer, Phillips, Ed Davey or anyone else he decides that warrants a taste of his “free speech” it is not only front page news here but the whole of Europe gets full coverage too. He is Trump’s attack dog and there is a reason for that. He gets attention. Even the forum idiots roll out their laughing emojis in support of Musk.

Edited Tuesday at 22:52 by sadoldgit

[revolution saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Nothing. Maybe read it again? 

So you didn't say, "In some ways musk has more power and influence than anyone in human history"?  That's an incredible claim, the whole of human history?  Seriously?  Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Reagan, Lenin, Caesar, Churchill, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Peter the Great, Napoleon.  That's just off the top of my head.

[egg]

3 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

So you didn't say, "In some ways musk has more power and influence than anyone in human history"?  That's an incredible claim, the whole of human history?  Seriously?  Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Reagan, Lenin, Caesar, Churchill, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Peter the Great, Napoleon.  That's just off the top of my head.

You forgot that rather important bit when you initially quoted Hypo. 

None of the people you listed had a global platform under their control and/or more money than anyone else on earth, ever. I'm not sure why you can't accept the power and influence that brings. 

Edited Tuesday at 22:55 by egg

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, revolution saint said:

So you didn't say, "In some ways musk has more power and influence than anyone in human history"?  That's an incredible claim, the whole of human history?  Seriously?  Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Reagan, Lenin, Caesar, Churchill, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Peter the Great, Napoleon.  That's just off the top of my head.

Yes I did say that. I didn't say what you claimed previously. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, egg said:

You forgot that rather important but when you initially quoted Hypo. 

None of the people you listed had a global platform under their control and/or more money than anyone else on earth, ever. I'm not sure why you can't accept the power and influence that brings. 

Yes that's exactly my point. It's not that it's a good thing and almost certainly isn't a positive thing but it is a thing clearly. I think anyone claiming that being the main voice on a social media platform only has a small influence solely on those users of the platform really doesn't know an awful lot about social media. 

[revolution saint]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

You forgot that rather important bit when you initially quoted Hypo. 

None of the people you listed had a global platform under their control and/or more money than anyone else on earth, ever. I'm not sure why you can't accept the power and influence that brings. 

Because over the years people have said the same thing over and over about media moguls and really that's the best kind of comparison to make - with someone like Rupert Murdoch, Randolph Hearst and Lord Beaverbrook.  Ultimately they had some influence and I'm not denying that but it was limited in the same way that Musk's is.  Talk about recency bias.

[sadoldgit]

I seem to recall the non elected Elon Musk having a major influence on President Zelensky’s defence of Ukraine when he pulled the satellite access. Not bad for someone whose influence is not that great. 

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

This is a such simplistic way of phrasing things, but it’s no surprise that you got the one love heart you did.  The man is a complete berk and whatever else, the overwhelming opinion on here seems to agree with that. The only Musk “fans” on here are in your head, pretty much everyone else thinks he’s a cunt, but wave that flag if it makes you feel better I suppose 👍

The person who liked Rallyboys post or Elon Musk?

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

I seem to recall the non elected Elon Musk having a major influence on President Zelensky’s defence of Ukraine when he pulled the satellite access. Not bad for someone whose influence is not that great. 

Hold the front page - are Soggy and Hypo agreeing on something?

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The person who liked Rallyboys post or Elon Musk?

You knew he meant Musk 😉

Not often Soggy and Hypo agree on something - it’s an annual event. Or perhaps less frequently like a solar eclipse.

Edited Tuesday at 23:06 by Gloucester Saint