Tedious Broja/Armstrong/XG chat (split)

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Martinez, another manager to achieve more than Ralph (FA Cup). 
De Boer, likewise, another manager to achieve more. 
Southgate, literally England’s best performing manager since 66… absolutely crap. 

What has De Boer acheived? Aside from the worst prem record of all time and a decent display in the dutch league. Southgate is a crap manager who happens to be up against other crap managers as the vast majority of international managers at the last euros were wank. International football doesn't have the same appeal.

Martinez scraped an FA cup while also being relegated. Bravo. Rather a manager who can get their team to 2nd in the top league than one who gets a lucky FA cup draw and finishes 18th. He beat Bournemouth, Macklesfield, Huddersfield, Everton and Milwall before a flukey win in the final. Also got relegated.

He then went to Everton and proved beyond any doubt he was a crap manager. 

[TWar]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Chris Wood has scored two goals for Newcastle, one of which was against us. Target couldn't get into our team ahead of Bertrand and was Villas second choice left back, Burn was a squad player at Brighton, it's laughable people think these three signings are the reason Newcastles form have turned round. 

How many goals has Broja scored in that time in the league?

[Dman]

Just now, TWar said:

How many goals has Broja scored in that time in the league?

What relevance does that have? Still digging out Broja for no apparent reason then… your obsession is unhealthy. 
 

How many has Armstrong scored in that same period of time? 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, TWar said:

How many goals has Broja scored in that time in the league?

What's that got to do with how Newcastle are doing?

[TWar]

Just now, Dman said:

What relevance does that have? Still digging out Broja for no apparent reason then… your obsession is unhealthy. 
 

How many has Armstrong scored in that same period of time? 

It's relevant because you said Wood wouldn't make our team as he's only scored 2 goals since Jan in the league. As if Broja is outperforming that.

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

What's that got to do with how Newcastle are doing?

Well you rate Broja so surely Wood who has the same output you should also rate, right?

[Dman]

3 minutes ago, TWar said:

What has De Boer acheived? Aside from the worst prem record of all time and a decent display in the dutch league. Southgate is a crap manager who happens to be up against other crap managers as the vast majority of international managers at the last euros were wank. International football doesn't have the same appeal.

Martinez scraped an FA cup while also being relegated. Bravo. Rather a manager who can get their team to 2nd in the top league than one who gets a lucky FA cup draw and finishes 18th. He beat Bournemouth, Macklesfield, Huddersfield, Everton and Milwall before a flukey win in the final. Also got relegated.

He then went to Everton and proved beyond any doubt he was a crap manager. 

I mean he finished 5th in his first season, so errr yeah, absolutely shite. 

[Dman]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

It's relevant because you said Wood wouldn't make our team as he's only scored 2 goals since Jan in the league. As if Broja is outperforming that.

Could it be that Newcastle are just better than us at the minute? 
 

Over the season, has wood out scored Broja? 

Edited 13 April, 2022 by Dman

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

Well you rate Broja so surely Wood who has the same output you should also rate, right?

I'll ask again, what does Brojas form have to do with how Newcastle are doing?

[TWar]

Just now, Dman said:

I mean he finished 5th in his first season, so errr yeah, absolutely shite. 

How did he do after that?

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Could it be that Newcastle are just better than us at the minute? 
 

Over the season, has wood out scored Broja? 

He's one behind, so pretty close tbh.

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

He's one behind, so pretty close tbh.

and you dont rate Broja, so surely if he's one behind then signing Wood cant be the reason why Newcastles form has upturned.

[TWar]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I'll ask again, what does Brojas form have to do with how Newcastle are doing?

  

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

and you dont rate Broja, so surely if he's one behind then signing Wood cant be the reason why Newcastles form has upturned.

No one player is the reason.

I'll answer again. Wood, Trippier, Bruno, Burn, and Targett have all between them improved newcastle. You isolate them one by one and say "oh they only did this, they only did that" but as a group Trippier earned them 6-9 points when he was fit, Bruno scored a key goal against us and has had good games, Wood has as double the goals of a striker you seem to really rate since he came in so clearly can't be doing too much wrong, Burn has been a massive upgrade at CB and would walk into our team and Targett while not good enough for us is a huge improvement over what they had.

If the spending didn't make a difference why did their form just so happen to pick up at the end of Jan when Howe has already been there almost 3 months? Especially when immediately before the signings they were losing to the likes of Cambridge united.

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[Dman]

3 minutes ago, TWar said:

How did he do after that?

11th & 11th (plus semi final of both cups). 
 

On par with your boys first season and 4 places higher than he’s achieved since. 
 

so yeah, eerrrrrr crap. 

[TWar]

Just now, Dman said:

11th & 11th (plus semi final of both cups). 
 

On par with your boys first season and 4 places higher than he’s achieved since. 
 

so yeah, eerrrrrr crap. 

by "your boys" do you mean southampton? Are they not your boys too?

And he was managing Everton, their spending power dwarfed us. Before the two 11th places Everton hadn't finished outside the top half for 8 years. When Ralph came in we were on the verge of relegation.

[Dman]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

and you dont rate Broja, so surely if he's one behind then signing Wood cant be the reason why Newcastles form has upturned.

The debate should actually be, would wood play ahead of Adams, not Broja. Given in a 2 he’d be used as a ‘support striker’. 

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, TWar said:

by "your boys" do you mean southampton? Are they not your boys too?

And he was managing Everton, their spending power dwarfed us. Before the two 11th places Everton hadn't finished outside the top half for 8 years. When Ralph came in we were on the verge of relegation.

Which has worked really well for them since, hasn’t it. 

[TWar]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

The debate should actually be, would wood play ahead of Adams, not Broja. Given in a 2 he’d be used as a ‘support striker’. 

No he absolutely would not. He has four back to back double digit goal scoring seasons before this one but he averages about 1.2 assists a season. He is a finisher, he is absolutely not a support striker. Burnley never played with a support striker, they have dual targetmen and traditional wingers to hit them with crosses and cutbacks.

[TWar]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

Which has worked really well for them since, hasn’t it. 

Not sure the relevance of that to Martinez but after he left Everton they had three more seasons in the top half. They only started struggling when FFP caught up.

[Dman]

Just now, TWar said:

No he absolutely would not. He has four back to back double digit goal scoring seasons before this one but he averages about 1.2 assists a season. He is a finisher, he is absolutely not a support striker. Burnley never played with a support striker, they have dual targetmen and traditional wingers to hit them with crosses and cutbacks.

You play far too much football manager bro. 

[TWar]

Just now, Dman said:

You play far too much football manager bro. 

I actually have never played football manager. I just know a support striker makes goals as well as scoring them, it's where the "support" bit comes from, and Wood does not at all do that. He's a goal scorer.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

I actually have never played football manager. I just know a support striker makes goals as well as scoring them, it's where the "support" bit comes from, and Wood does not at all do that. He's a goal scorer.

Fair enough, pointless argument going way off topic. But regardless of if you think he’s better or not, he’s clearly not, but so so, he wouldn’t get into our side as he’s not a Ralph type of player. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

21 minutes ago, TWar said:

Well you rate Broja so surely Wood who has the same output you should also rate, right?

Ah but I bet Broja gets into much better positions for scoring, so that his Xg would be far superior to whatever Wood would get... 

I sense another thread leaking into this one!

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Ah but I bet Broja gets into much better positions for scoring, so that his Xg would be far superior to whatever Wood would get... 

I sense another thread leaking into this one!

Nope Wood has an xG on the season of 7.73 to Broja's 5.54. Wood is actually underperforming his xG this season for the first time in 3 years which is why he is down on 5 when he should be up around 8 goals. Has been a bit unlucky.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, TWar said:

  

No one player is the reason.

I'll answer again. Wood, Trippier, Bruno, Burn, and Targett have all between them improved newcastle. You isolate them one by one and say "oh they only did this, they only did that" but as a group Trippier earned them 6-9 points when he was fit, Bruno scored a key goal against us and has had good games, Wood has as double the goals of a striker you seem to really rate since he came in so clearly can't be doing too much wrong, Burn has been a massive upgrade at CB and would walk into our team and Targett while not good enough for us is a huge improvement over what they had.

If the spending didn't make a difference why did their form just so happen to pick up at the end of Jan when Howe has already been there almost 3 months? Especially when immediately before the signings they were losing to the likes of Cambridge united.

Well Tripper was also part of the Newcaslte team which lost to Cambridge, yet you're also hilariously claming he single handedly won then 6-9 points in his four league games, so which is it? 

 

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

Well Tripper was also part of the Newcaslte team which lost to Cambridge, yet you're also hilariously claming he single handedly won then 6-9 points in his four league games, so which is it? 

 

Both can be true. It was Trippiers first game and he hadn't bedded in yet. After he did he was very successful and scored the winner in the Villa game, scored in the Everton game and was excellent in their win at Leeds.

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

Both can be true. It was Trippiers first game and he hadn't bedded in yet. After he did he was very successful and scored the winner in the Villa game, scored in the Everton game and was excellent in their win at Leeds.

scored the 3rd in a 3-1 win v Everton with 10 minutes to go and they played over 40 minutes without him against Villa, yes he scored the winner. Not quite sure how you equate that to single handedly winning them 6-9 points.

[Dman]

4 minutes ago, TWar said:

Nope Wood has an xG on the season of 7.73 to Broja's 5.54. Wood is actually underperforming his xG this season for the first time in 3 years which is why he is down on 5 when he should be up around 8 goals. Has been a bit unlucky.

This is because Burnley largely play to his strengths of getting the ball in the box, where as Broja largely plays off the shoulder, which suits our style significantly. If he was at Burnley, he’d struggle. 
 

Comparing apples with oranges. 

[TWar]

2 minutes ago, Dman said:

This is because Burnley largely play to his strengths of getting the ball in the box, where as Broja largely plays off the shoulder, which suits our style significantly. If he was at Burnley, he’d struggle. 
 

Comparing apples with oranges. 

Clearly doesn't suit Broja's style that significantly, given he has 1 league goal in the last 4 months.

Edited 13 April, 2022 by TWar

[Dman]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well Tripper was also part of the Newcaslte team which lost to Cambridge, yet you're also hilariously claming he single handedly won then 6-9 points in his four league games, so which is it? 

 

Howe has completely changed the style in which Newcastle play. Changes like that don’t happen overnight, they take time to embed and build confidence in the squad up again. 
 

That is likely why it took 2 / 3 month for results to improve. 

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Howe has completely changed the style in which Newcastle play. Changes like that don’t happen overnight, they take time to embed and build confidence in the squad up again. 
 

That is likely why it took 2 / 3 month for results to improve. 

Yet it just so happened to occur after the biggest Jan spend in europe. And not even gradually, they went from winning 1 in 3 months to going unbeaten for like 7 games. Coincidence I guess.

Edited 13 April, 2022 by TWar

[Dman]

Just now, TWar said:

Clearly doesn't suit Broja's style that significantly, given he has 1 goal in the last 4 months.

We’ve not won a league game since 25th February. The way we’re playing doesn’t suit any strikers style. Probably Why Adams hasn’t scored either. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Howe has completely changed the style in which Newcastle play. Changes like that don’t happen overnight, they take time to embed and build confidence in the squad up again. 
 

That is likely why it took 2 / 3 month for results to improve. 

Yep, spreadsheets dont tell you that. funnily enough when i posted a link a while back to a player saying how much Howe had changed things it got shot down by someone saying, well what do you expect a player at Newcastle to say. 

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

We’ve not won a league game since 25th February. The way we’re playing doesn’t suit any strikers style. Probably Why Adams hasn’t scored either. 

In that quoted time Adams has scored 3 times, has 2 assists and was up for Premier league player of the month, which Broja got 1 goal. So no.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

In that quoted time Adams has scored 3 times, has 2 assists and was up for Premier league player of the month, which Broja got 1 goal. So no.

Adams hasn’t scored since our win against Norwich on 25th February. 
 

As a team; we’ve created very little since then. 

[TWar]

3 minutes ago, Dman said:

Adams hasn’t scored since our win against Norwich on 25th February. 
 

As a team; we’ve created very little since then. 

That's 6 games though, what about the proceeding 6 where Adams scored 3 and got one assist and Broja got one goal?

[Dman]

Just now, TWar said:

That's 6 games though, what about the proceeding 6 where Adams scored 3 and got one assist and Broja got one goal?

You know what, I cba. This has been done so many times it’s boring. 
 

your obsession with him is soo strange, he lives rent free in your strange little mind. 

[The Left Back]

Different thread,  same old shit

 

[Dman]

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