Has there been a worse home performance in recent memory?

[saint1977]

I know it’s not the worst score line today - Leicester was - but at lest there you had the combination of a senior player sent off very early, torrential rain and Leicester battering sides right left and centre.

Been a supporter 40 years and seen some stinkers at the Dell/SMS but even in 04/05 we only lost 4 home league games. Bear in mind the woodwork strikes Chelsea had and eased off last half an hour and it could have been 12 goals if they kept going like Leicester did. 

I’m trying to think of a worse home display in terms of organisation, work rate and organisation. Chelsea did score a few in the FA Cup in one of Adkins’s last games but we did lead and I don’t remember it being as gutless and chaotic as today. 

Let’s hope whoever is the manager in the summer can galvanise some sort of pride in home displays. Barring a spell earlier this season we’ve been terrible at home since Koeman left. Can’t think SMS ST renewals will amount to much without a clear sign of intent to invest in a major squad overhaul.

[Harry_SFC]

If we had McCarthy in goal and Werner was a brilliant finisher then it could easily have been double figures. In terms of effort and organisation today was absolutely appalling. 

[Dman]

In short, no. 

Easily the worst performance I’ve ever seen (arguably by anyone). Forster the only player to come away with any Credit (he was fantastic). 
 

Another day, with another striker playing, and another keeper in goal, that is 10+. Just imagine if Lukaku was fit. 

Absolutely shambolic. 

[Delmary]

Loads

[The Cat]

The 6-1 loss to Liverpool under Koeman in the cup was a horrendous performance. Mane put us 1-0 up right at the start and then we proceeded to ship goals to a team who had rested half their normal starters. 

Steven Caulker and Stekelenberg put in total non performances, but other than those 2 we had a really strong team out. Mane, Pelle, Van Dijk, Tadic, Wanyama etc but played absolutely terribly.

[Lighthouse]

There’s a 3-0 defeat by Watford under George Burley which always sticks in my mind. A non-sensical farce of a team selection, people out of position all over the place, an absolutely abject performance and the clown sat there gormlessly watching until the 88th minute, before sending on Adam Hammill for no particular reason.

[Suhari]

  On 09/04/2022 at 17:14, Lighthouse said:

There’s a 3-0 defeat by Watford under George Burley which always sticks in my mind. A non-sensical farce of a team selection, people out of position all over the place, an absolutely abject performance and the clown sat there gormlessly watching until the 88th minute, before sending on Adam Hammill for no particular reason.

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Adam fucking Hammill. A fat Scouse in a t-shirt. Remember him coming on once as a sub, and I wondered which kebab House he was signed from. Whatever happened to him?

[Turkish]

  On 09/04/2022 at 17:07, The Cat said:

The 6-1 loss to Liverpool under Koeman in the cup was a horrendous performance. Mane put us 1-0 up right at the start and then we proceeded to ship goals to a team who had rested half their normal starters. 

Steven Caulker and Stekelenberg put in total non performances, but other than those 2 we had a really strong team out. Mane, Pelle, Van Dijk, Tadic, Wanyama etc but played absolutely terribly.

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Yep we were awful that night, if I remember rightly Liverpool scored with every shot on target. Steklenberg had a shocker and Caulker played like a 65 year old pub player drafted in from the bar because we were one short. 
 

 

[Turkish]

  On 09/04/2022 at 17:14, Lighthouse said:

There’s a 3-0 defeat by Watford under George Burley which always sticks in my mind. A non-sensical farce of a team selection, people out of position all over the place, an absolutely abject performance and the clown sat there gormlessly watching until the 88th minute, before sending on Adam Hammill for no particular reason.

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Was that the game we missed two penalities?

[Lighthouse]

  On 09/04/2022 at 17:28, Turkish said:

Was that the game we missed two penalities?

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That was a different game, although I can't recall when. The game I'm thinking of was apparently on new year's day in 2008

https://www.11v11.com/matches/southampton-v-watford-01-january-2008-279893/

[AlexLaw76]

There was a dreadful game at home to Watford with Peter Madsen playing for us.

Those were the days

[The Kraken]

Watford were our bogey side for a bit around then, I remember going up to vicarage Road and they beat us 3-0 there, we didn’t lay a glove on them.

[Sunglasses Ron]

I remember us losing 0-4 at home to Arsenal in 93-94. We were really bad that day and Ian Wright tore us a new one.

[Saint Billy]

My memory is not so good now but I remember Leeds thrashing us by 8 goals in the Channon days  and god they ran rings round us. Watford gave us a big thumping once but can't remember when that was. 

[The Kraken]

Saints 2 Tottenham 6 was pretty embarrassing, Ronnie Rosenthal was our nemesis that evening. Think we were 2-0 up at half time as well.

[Turkish]

  On 09/04/2022 at 18:31, The Kraken said:

Saints 2 Tottenham 6 was pretty embarrassing, Ronnie Rosenthal was our nemesis that evening. Think we were 2-0 up at half time as well.

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We were great first half though. Second half they came back into it then killed us in extra time. I don’t think we played that badly for an hour or so, Rosenthal Had a once in a career game, went back to being his usual self after that 

[TWar]

  On 09/04/2022 at 16:31, Dman said:

In short, no. 

Easily the worst performance I’ve ever seen (arguably by anyone). Forster the only player to come away with any Credit (he was fantastic). 
 

Another day, with another striker playing, and another keeper in goal, that is 10+. Just imagine if Lukaku was fit. 

Absolutely shambolic. 

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xG was 4.4. This "different striker/goalkeeper" thing is bollocks. Overperforming xG by 6 would be basically unprecedented.

They already finished way over average.

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 18:42, Turkish said:

We were great first half though. Second half they came back into it then killed us in extra time. I don’t think we played that badly for an hour or so, Rosenthal Had a once in a career game, went back to being his usual self after that 

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It wasn’t too far away in time from when we went to WHL and got done 7-2. Again, I think we were 1-0 up and 2-1.

I’d be surprised if, in Premier League terms anyway, there’s been a side who have fucked up a two+ goal lead more than Saints have. Just off the top of my head I reckon I could get to double figures of times we’ve turned a 2 goal lead into a defeat. 

[adrian lord]

Saints 3 Leeds 4 after going in at half time 3-0 up was a terrible experience even though we were great for 45 minutes 

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:02, adrian lord said:

Saints 3 Leeds 4 after going in at half time 3-0 up was a terrible experience even though we were great for 45 minutes 

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Not in the league, but see also the 4-3 reverse against Tranmere after being 3 up Ffs.

[Turkish]

  On 09/04/2022 at 18:49, TWar said:

xG was 4.4. This "different striker/goalkeeper" thing is bollocks. Overperforming xG by 6 would be basically unprecedented.

They already finished way over average.

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Can’t be arsed 

 

Edited 9 April, 2022 by Turkish

[TWar]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:11, Turkish said:

Can’t be arsed 

 

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Probably wise

[Dman]

  On 09/04/2022 at 18:49, TWar said:

xG was 4.4. This "different striker/goalkeeper" thing is bollocks. Overperforming xG by 6 would be basically unprecedented.

They already finished way over average.

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Alexa, devalue any argument for XG in one post please. 

[Dman]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:11, Turkish said:

Can’t be arsed 

 

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how anyone could watch that game and come away from it with that summary, clearly has a screw loose. 

[Turkish]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:34, Dman said:

how anyone could watch that game and come away from it with that summary, clearly has a screw loose. 

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Indeed. Didn’t watch it myself but everyone I’ve spoken to who were there said 6-0 flattered us regardless of what fucking XG says

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[Sergei Gotsmanov]

  On 09/04/2022 at 17:28, Turkish said:

Yep we were awful that night, if I remember rightly Liverpool scored with every shot on target. Steklenberg had a shocker and Caulker played like a 65 year old pub player drafted in from the bar because we were one short. 
 

 

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I blamed that performance pretty much on Caulker and then they signed him on loan. I think he had a few issues poor lad Caulker.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Arsenal in the cup with a youth team was pretty dispiriting. I think that one was 5-0. At least the tickets were £15.

 

 

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:45, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

Arsenal in the cup with a youth team was pretty dispiriting. I think that one was 5-0. At least the tickets were £15.

 

 

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Arsenal in the week before the FA Cup final at 6-0 was, yeah, not ideal preparation.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:48, The Kraken said:

Arsenal in the week before the FA Cup final at 6-0 was, yeah, not ideal preparation.

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Wasn't that 6-1 - was it Tessem? We drew the second half 1-1!

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:51, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

Wasn't that 6-1 - was it Tessem? We drew the second half 1-1!

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You’re right, sorry! I was doing us a disservice!

[Lighthouse]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:48, The Kraken said:

Arsenal in the week before the FA Cup final at 6-0 was, yeah, not ideal preparation.

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Aside from the score, as has been pointed out, I'm almost certain that was at Highbury. We won the home game when Delgado got Campbell sent off, then scored with his todger. Shocking game though. Think it was 5-0 after about 20 minutes, at which point Fernandes was subbed off. 

[Turkish]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:56, Lighthouse said:

Aside from the score, as has been pointed out, I'm almost certain that was at Highbury. We won the home game when Delgado got Campbell sent off, then scored with his todger. Shocking game though. Think it was 5-0 after about 20 minutes, at which point Fernandes was subbed off. 

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It was at Highbury 

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:56, Lighthouse said:

Aside from the score, as has been pointed out, I'm almost certain that was at Highbury. We won the home game when Delgado got Campbell sent off, then scored with his todger.

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It was, I did know that. I guess I’m just purging all of my Saints thrashing memories, there’s lots to go through.

Dont get me started on going to Goodison Park for 7-1….

 

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[TWar]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:30, Dman said:

Alexa, devalue any argument for XG in one post please. 

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Or, alternatively, 10-0 results basically never happen for a reason. 

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 18:49, TWar said:

xG was 4.4. This "different striker/goalkeeper" thing is bollocks. Overperforming xG by 6 would be basically unprecedented.

They already finished way over average.

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Just out of interest, do you think the xG matched your opinion from what you watched from the game today?

I guess I’m asking if you thought 4-0 (rounded down) was a more accurate reflection of the actual,gameplay that the 6-0 result.

Genuine question.

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:03, TWar said:

Or, alternatively, 10-0 results basically never happen for a reason. 

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England beat San Marino by that margin not very long ago, didn’t they?

[Lighthouse]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:03, TWar said:

Or, alternatively, 10-0 results basically never happen for a reason. 

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You might want to give the Lionesses a follow, or just women's football in general.

[Dman]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:03, TWar said:

Or, alternatively, 10-0 results basically never happen for a reason. 

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Yes, it didn’t today because the keeper made some fantastic saves amd their striker missed some really good opportunities… like I said. 
 

It basically never happens in the premier league because it takes a really, really shit performance to lose by that amount. Hence why one 2 teams have lost 9-0 and we’ve done it twice. 

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[TWar]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:05, The Kraken said:

Just out of interest, do you think the xG matched your opinion from what you watched from the game today?

I guess I’m asking if you thought 4-0 (rounded down) was a more accurate reflection of the actual,gameplay that the 6-0 result.

Genuine question.

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Yeah, I do. I think there were a couple of tap ins with 0.75 xg but there were also a couple of pretty tricky finishes, like Mount's first.

I think confirmation bias makes people think chances go in a lot more often than they actually do. There were people on here calling what was likely a 0.25 xg chance for Armstrong a 0.8+ one against city. Its like I said at the time, people are far too liberal with "should be scoring that".

[TWar]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:06, The Kraken said:

England beat San Marino by that margin not very long ago, didn’t they?

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Yeah, I mean, it happens with a massive differential in quality prem vs league 2 quality, but in the same league it basically never happens.

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[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:12, TWar said:

Yeah, I do. I think there were a couple of tap ins with 0.75 xg but there were also a couple of pretty tricky finishes, like Mount's first.

I think confirmation bias makes people think chances go in a lot more often than they actually do. There were people on here calling what was likely a 0.25 xg chance for Armstrong a 0.8+ one against city. Its like I said at the time, people are far too liberal with "should be scoring that".

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Ok ta.

I think I disagree, given their misses / Forster’s saves. I’d have been very happy to get away with a 4-0 after that. But there we go.

[TWar]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:08, Dman said:

Yes, it didn’t today because the keeper made some fantastic saves amd their striker missed some really good opportunities… like I said. 
 

It basically never happens in the premier league because it takes a really, really shit performance to lose by that amount. Hence why one 2 teams have lost 9-0 and we’ve done it twice. 

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Both our two 9-0s were pretty flukey from an xg perspective too.

[Stud mark of doom]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:12, TWar said:

Yeah, I do. I think there were a couple of tap ins with 0.75 xg but there were also a couple of pretty tricky finishes, like Mount's first.

I think confirmation bias makes people think chances go in a lot more often than they actually do. There were people on here calling what was likely a 0.25 xg chance for Armstrong a 0.8+ one against city. Its like I said at the time, people are far too liberal with "should be scoring that".

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In addition to all the goals I remember them hitting the woodwork three times and FF making several blinding saves. 
 

sounds like XG performed at a similar level to SFC today. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:05, The Kraken said:

Just out of interest, do you think the xG matched your opinion from what you watched from the game today?

I guess I’m asking if you thought 4-0 (rounded down) was a more accurate reflection of the actual,gameplay that the 6-0 result.

Genuine question.

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I thought we were lucky that it wasn’t more than six. As for XG, I didn’t expect us to score any goals and I was not disappointed.

[Sarisbury Saint]

  On 09/04/2022 at 19:36, Turkish said:

Indeed. Didn’t watch it myself but everyone I’ve spoken to who were there said 6-0 flattered us regardless of what fucking XG says

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It’s no exaggeration to say it could easily have been 7 nil by halftime.

[The Kraken]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:41, Whitey Grandad said:

I thought we were lucky that it wasn’t more than six. As for XG, I didn’t expect us to score any goals and I was not disappointed.

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Personally I’m amazed we kept it to six. It was a phenomenal battering.

[Micky]

I'm quite lucky really, i have no idea what xg means. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 09/04/2022 at 20:47, The Kraken said:

Personally I’m amazed we kept it to six. It was a phenomenal battering.

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I’ve been to plenty of games where we’ve been defeated by several goals and usually it was a case of the other side having more luck or that everything they hit flew into the net. But today was worse. We were outclassed and outfought by players who were operating at a higher level than ours.

[Midfield_General]

  On 09/04/2022 at 18:42, Turkish said:

We were great first half though. Second half they came back into it then killed us in extra time. I don’t think we played that badly for an hour or so, Rosenthal Had a once in a career game, went back to being his usual self after that 

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It didn’t help that Grobbelaar was literally diving past or out of the way of every shot that came in. 

(Legal note: Just in my personal opinion of course) 

[LGTL]

I flew to Canada when we lost 0-9 to Leicester. I have just landed in the same airport today, and checked the score 😂