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I am not taking sides in this argument and I have no doubt that some very bad things have happened in occupied Ukraine but at the start of the conflict we saw pictures of civilian being issued with guns and being trained to use them . I admire their courage and willingness to defend their homeland .

 Anyone who has been in a combat situation will tell you that if some is shooting at you ,then they are the enemy and you shoot back and not check to see if they are military personnel first ,this COULD account for some of the civilian casualties. 

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43 minutes ago, aintforever said:

What evidence have you seen that would suggest it was staged by Ukraine?

That's exactly noodles's point. There is no conclusive evidence one way or the other without a full investigation.

In that case there is a possibility (albeit so small as to be almost negligible) that it may not have been the Russians.

Unless you have unequivocal proof that it was them....

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6 minutes ago, sad saints fan said:

 Anyone who has been in a combat situation will tell you that if some is shooting at you ,then they are the enemy and you shoot back and not check to see if they are military personnel first ,this COULD account for some of the civilian casualties. 

Including 3 year old girls?

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26 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

The BBC News are telling the same story as Sky News , ITV News , CH4 News , CCN News etc 

Of course they are, because they are the MSM.  Stuff them, get yourself over to twitter to see what the real news is. :)

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19 minutes ago, sad saints fan said:

I am not taking sides in this argument and I have no doubt that some very bad things have happened in occupied Ukraine but at the start of the conflict we saw pictures of civilian being issued with guns and being trained to use them . I admire their courage and willingness to defend their homeland .

 Anyone who has been in a combat situation will tell you that if some is shooting at you ,then they are the enemy and you shoot back and not check to see if they are military personnel first ,this COULD account for some of the civilian casualties

As somebody who was in the military for many years, you are quite right, it could.  And the rapes?

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Friends who have met MLT say that he comes across as very pleasant.

Just wish he kept his opinions to himself.  Spouting nonsense about things he knows little about is doing him no favours at all. And those of us who were fortunate to watch him play now think a lot less of him

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32 minutes ago, sad saints fan said:

I am not taking sides in this argument and I have no doubt that some very bad things have happened in occupied Ukraine but at the start of the conflict we saw pictures of civilian being issued with guns and being trained to use them . I admire their courage and willingness to defend their homeland .

 Anyone who has been in a combat situation will tell you that if some is shooting at you ,then they are the enemy and you shoot back and not check to see if they are military personnel first ,this COULD account for some of the civilian casualties. 

But not the ones with their hands tied

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I don't personally have an issue with what MLT puts on twitter because he should be allowed to put whatever he wants on twitter. Its fundamental to protecting free speech and the society we live in, but equally it doesn't mean people have to agree with him. What MLT can't do is expect to put stuff out there that clearly conflicts with his role as an ambassador for the club or his employment requirements. And specifically in this instance, i think basically everyone would agree he's a fool for commenting on war crimes with anything other than condemnation.

Fundamentally though, his opinions shouldn't impact on what he's done for the club and city historically, nor the joy he's given to the fans. Its a shame for people that can't differentiate between his career as a sportsman and his takes on world events... Although I'd query why anyone would attach any particular credence to a footballer's personal opinions (or any other celebrity for that matter) on fields other than their profession.

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6 hours ago, Turkish said:

Wasn't me posting at 3 in the morning :lol:

You seem to be very troubled Whelk, everything okay hun? ❤️

I saw some poster explain recently about times not being the same around the world. Just think of it like your week in Magaluf being a hour ahead. Bit like that but further away. Don’t think you are ready for the international dateline explanation yet sweetie.

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5 hours ago, Turkish said:

A clearly outraged Whelk said "****, thick ****, big nose ****, ****, ****, Thick. Expected more of the ****, you're a ****, thick ****, ****, out of your depth ****, ****, embarassing ****, ****, ****"

You getting a little obsessed. I get your superiority complex has hit a wall as you like to latch on to posters but basically not much you can feel superior over me. Hey getting a few likes though so all is not lost.

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54 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That's exactly noodles's point. There is no conclusive evidence one way or the other without a full investigation.

In that case there is a possibility (albeit so small as to be almost negligible) that it may not have been the Russians.

Unless you have unequivocal proof that it was them....

What exactly happened to those specific bodies in Bucha obviously remains to be proven but there is a tsunami of evidence that Russia are committing war crimes. I have yet to see any that suggests it was staged by the Ukrainians. Anyway even if it was that is a million miles from some big 'media' conspiracy which is what the dick-head was inferring. 

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I do feel sad for MLT as he is probably feeling pretty upset that he has sacrificed his privileged position today.

He has gained 500K followers, that will not be due to his general views, but because he was put there due to his football achievements with us. If not, he would probably only have a 100 followers or less. Therefore he had a responsibility to the club and fanbase.

Now he is a 'Free man' he can spout what he likes, but not have the association to our club

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Just seen his stepping down tweets. Wants to make it clear he does not advocate war -  no one thought he was he just thinks everything that is covered is not happening. Shame he has gone so mental but glad he has stepped down as was an embarrassment 

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Well Lineker is employed by the BBC after all. So he must be a deep state plant.

Never mind the fact he is constantly criticising the government on Twitter. That's just a smokescreen, obviously.

And MLT hasn't been cancelled FFS. He's just been rightly criticised and ridiculed for sharing something without engaging in any critical thinking about it. He's still free to Tweet whatever he likes. Cancelled would be having his Twitter account removed from him.

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2 hours ago, kwsaint said:

Friends who have met MLT say that he comes across as very pleasant.

Just wish he kept his opinions to himself.  Spouting nonsense about things he knows little about is doing him no favours at all. And those of us who were fortunate to watch him play now think a lot less of him

I have had the pleasure of meeting MLT on a number of occasions and, as described, he came across as a pleasant, well grounded, person.
When I first read about his rather extreme posts, I thought they were written by someone who had hacked his twitter account.
Now I realise this is not the case and I feel rather let down.
MLT gave me so much pleasure as a player and loyal team member that his 'conversion' to a David Icke type leaves me more than a little saddened.
I dont think that he has done himself, his family or friends any favours by his publication of rather extreme and unfounded views.

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3 hours ago, RedArmy said:

The tolerant left out in force again demanding he be cancelled because his views are intolerable. 
 

is it just people with left of centre politics that are unimpressed with his tweet about there being doubt about the atrocities in Ukraine?

Also, have you confused `left' with `liberal'?

 

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2 hours ago, kwsaint said:

Friends who have met MLT say that he comes across as very pleasant.

Just wish he kept his opinions to himself.  Spouting nonsense about things he knows little about is doing him no favours at all. And those of us who were fortunate to watch him play now think a lot less of him

nice, but dim.

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As a footballer he was undoubtedly a legend but in recent years his views have become increasingly weird. He can have an opinion but these comments are best kept to himself. In the remarks he has made about the Ukraine, he should hang his head in shame. The Ukrainians are showing such strength and courage in the face of murder and wanton destruction from the Russian Army. Le Tissier is slowly but surely making himself an outcast.

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12 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Tell me more about his job at sky sports that he must still have? 

The problem with that is it's a job predicated entirely on reputation and image. The likes of Tiss, Neville, Carra, Merson, Keane, Henry etc. are on there because they were reputable players at the top of their game. There are retired League 2 players who are just as knowledgeable, coherent and witty but they don't come with the same prestige and marketability.

The problem is when you start sanding away at that reputation with tripe about COVID, massacres and Biden's laptop, kicking a football around 25 years ago is quickly forgotten about and your reputation becomes a liability, not a selling point.

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2 hours ago, whelk said:

Just seen his stepping down tweets. Wants to make it clear he does not advocate war -  no one thought he was he just thinks everything that is covered is not happening. Shame he has gone so mental but glad he has stepped down as was an embarrassment 

Saying he "doesn't advocate war" does not correct or re-clarify his original post in any way. Its irrelevant in fact. He either stands by what he posted in that we should not trust what we are being told by the media about the atrocities in Ukraine, or he backtracks and says that he has no reason to doubt the reports.

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12 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Tell me more about his job at sky sports that he must still have? 

Did he use that as a platform to air his opinions? No.

Sky took a commercial decision not to renew his contract, along with Charlie Nicholas and Phil Thompson at the same time. Were they all 'cancelled' then?

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7 hours ago, OldNick said:

Wow, you believe that there is a chance that the Ukrainians moved multiple dead bodies to areas to try and pin atrocities on the Russians? I assume you think they raped them as well. Ukraine had the moral high ground and most of the world behind them, to think they needed to stoop that low is incredible.

Perhaps Im naive, but this is really far fetched Sadly this type of attitude is just what the Russians want to believe, their campaign of mis information is working. I was a resident of Salisbury, I witnessed how people thought that it was done by our own people, due to Russians use of social media. It seems their manipulation is working again.

This guy is Scottish, not Russian:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/04/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/

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12 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said:

Support Le Tiss on this one. He went too far with Covid. But he's right about the media, it's a manipulative bandwagon, especially when it comes to Foreign Policy. 

I agree that a lot of the right wing press are manipulative and loads of peple are gullible and believe things which are completely untrue but surely it is obvious that Russia invaded Ukraine

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16 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said:

Support Le Tiss on this one. He went too far with Covid. But he's right about the media, it's a manipulative bandwagon, especially when it comes to Foreign Policy. 

It’s not the media themselves, it’s the manipulators who are manipulating them.

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1 hour ago, Jonnyboy said:

Support Le Tiss on this one. He went too far with Covid. But he's right about the media, it's a manipulative bandwagon, especially when it comes to Foreign Policy. 

You dont use the clear murder of thousands as an example.

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7 hours ago, sad saints fan said:

I am not taking sides in this argument and I have no doubt that some very bad things have happened in occupied Ukraine but at the start of the conflict we saw pictures of civilian being issued with guns and being trained to use them . I admire their courage and willingness to defend their homeland .

 Anyone who has been in a combat situation will tell you that if some is shooting at you ,then they are the enemy and you shoot back and not check to see if they are military personnel first ,this COULD account for some of the civilian casualties. 

Open your eyes man 

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3 hours ago, Jonnyboy said:

Support Le Tiss on this one. He went too far with Covid. But he's right about the media, it's a manipulative bandwagon, especially when it comes to Foreign Policy. 

How so? If you're talking about newspapers you have a variety of viewpoints to choose from (Mail/Express v Guardian/Mirror for example). The TV news channels are broadly objective , social media is a chaotic free for all so where's the manipulation coming from? A few examples may back up your opinion.

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