Matthew Le God Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 17/04/2022 at 22:49, Turkish said: Sadly true. Fonte wasn’t the greatest player but he was a leader and organiser which she lacked since. Forster isn’t that but on current form we’re going to struggle to get better on our budget Expand How do you know what the budget is under the new ownership?
Noodles34 Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 05:33, Matthew Le God said: How do you know what the budget is under the new ownership? Expand How do you?
Matthew Le God Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 (edited) On 18/04/2022 at 05:36, Noodles34 said: How do you? Expand I did not say I did. Turkish suggested he did, and I asked how he knew. Edited 18 April, 2022 by Matthew Le God
John B Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 17/04/2022 at 22:49, Turkish said: Sadly true. Fonte wasn’t the greatest player but he was a leader and organiser which she lacked since. Forster isn’t that but on current form we’re going to struggle to get better on our budget Expand I agree with you but if we kept Forster surely it would be cheaper as we would not have to pay a transfer fee The money saved could be spent on a decent striker but getting one into SFC is not going to be easy as Ings has been our only decent one we have signed in recent years which is a similar situation in other clubs of our size in the PL Getting in another GK is again not going to be easy either if the saga at Wembley on Suturday is anything to go by where the USA number 1 goalie had a nightmare and gifted Liverpool the game as we need an experienced one who is tried and tested so I would stick with Fraser 2
John B Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 06:05, Matthew Le God said: I did not say I did. Turkish suggested he did, and I asked how he knew. Expand Of course we do not know what the budget is but most on here have been following SFC for sometime and have knowledge of past signings so have an informed idea of what the club are likely to pay for a GK. But of course your point of us not knowing what the overall budget for transfers and wages is a significant point which is under estimated on here together with the plans for the current players. We do not know what if they are expecting Salisu to stay whether JWP will be moving whether Bednerack Redmond Djneppo want to leave When is Romeau is going to be replaced is Tella going out on loan There are so mny questions with no real answers so we suggest informed guesses which I think is good and makes us think and come up with ideas which is what Turkish was doing and I do not really understand what the point of your post was as it was not particularly constructive in the debate on whether Fraser should stay So what is your view I think he should stay because the club would not have to pay out a transfer fee and I think he is currently playing pretty well But I do not know who the likely replacement is how much he would cost or wheter Fraser wants to stay I also think our top priority is as every year getting in a decent striker which I realise is pretty difficult 5
egg Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 06:05, Matthew Le God said: I did not say I did. Turkish suggested he did, and I asked how he knew. Expand So we're back to this nonsense. It's reasonable to assume that Forster is affordable to us, and that a better keeper would cost more. Thus, it's hardly controversial to suggest that we'd struggle to get better if Forster's wages are the level of our budget. 5
Turkish Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 05:33, Matthew Le God said: How do you know what the budget is under the new ownership? Expand 🤣 poor old MLG been coming after me all weekend and being swatted away, happy celebration of sex weekend sir
Saint Billy Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 I don't see anyone out there better than FF that is affordable so what's the point in selling him. 3
Lighthouse Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 If we can’t find a better player than Forster for the same considerable wages he’s reportedly earning, then our scouts should pack up and go home. 7
SW5 SAINT Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 (edited) On 18/04/2022 at 07:34, Saint Billy said: I don't see anyone out there better than FF that is affordable so what's the point in selling him. Expand He’s out of contract, so we won’t be getting any money for him. The choice is his….! The fact we’ve had a problem for years because he was in a long expensive contract. Now there is a problem because he is out of contract. Edited 18 April, 2022 by SW5 SAINT Edit
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 07:42, Lighthouse said: If we can’t find a better player than Forster for the same considerable wages he’s reportedly earning, then our scouts should pack up and go home. Expand Not just wages but there would be a transfer fee in top for a new keeper. 2
The Kraken Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 08:59, Whitey Grandad said: Not just wages but there would be a transfer fee in top for a new keeper. Expand This. We spent a reported £13.5M on Angus Gunn, and that didn’t work out all that well. Just have to hope that the club have got someone lined up who wont be a huge transfer fee and wages, and is a step up on Forster. Not easy. 1
Turkish Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 (edited) On 18/04/2022 at 09:14, The Kraken said: This. We spent a reported £13.5M on Angus Gunn, and that didn’t work out all that well. Just have to hope that the club have got someone lined up who wont be a huge transfer fee and wages, and is a step up on Forster. Not easy. Expand Well the best free transfers available in that position that I’m aware of don’t appear to be coming our way. Johnstone to Spurs, not convinced he’s an upgrade anyway and Strakosha being linked with Newcastle. interesting article here on Henderson. Would have thought Newcastle would be all him https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/17/man-utd-prepared-to-take-massive-hit-over-dean-henderson-transfer-16482616/ Edited 18 April, 2022 by Turkish
egg Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 07:42, Lighthouse said: If we can’t find a better player than Forster for the same considerable wages he’s reportedly earning, then our scouts should pack up and go home. Expand So cheaper, better, and presumably free. You don't want much!
Matthew Le God Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 09:33, egg said: So cheaper, better, and presumably free. You don't want much! Expand Why?
The Cat Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 Strakosha would be free and there's some good cheap keepers in France like Benitez at Nice although I wonder if Palace will be in for him with the Viera link.
The Kraken Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 09:28, Turkish said: Well the best free transfers available in that position that I’m aware of don’t appear to be coming our way. Johnstone to Spurs, not convinced he’s an upgrade anyway and Strakosha being linked with Newcastle. interesting article here on Henderson. Would have thought Newcastle would be all him https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/17/man-utd-prepared-to-take-massive-hit-over-dean-henderson-transfer-16482616/ Expand I don’t know enough about Henderson, I thought he was quite well rated, but that seems a slightly strange one. United seemingly willing to just cut their losses to get rid of him.
Lighthouse Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 09:33, egg said: So cheaper, better, and presumably free. You don't want much! Expand Where on Earth have you got that from? For whatever reason we’ve supposedly given Forster one of, if not the, biggest contacts in the history of our club and it has represented pretty awful value for money. We can either find similar for much cheaper or better for a similar price. As for being free, well if we’re just going to scrabble around for free transfers and loans, like some League 1 club in administration, whilst everyone around us is spending £30m on new players, we might as well give up now. However, I’d like to hope our new owners have more ambition that simply treading water until we get relegated.
egg Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 10:05, Lighthouse said: Where on Earth have you got that from? For whatever reason we’ve supposedly given Forster one of, if not the, biggest contacts in the history of our club and it has represented pretty awful value for money. We can either find similar for much cheaper or better for a similar price. As for being free, well if we’re just going to scrabble around for free transfers and loans, like some League 1 club in administration, whilst everyone around us is spending £30m on new players, we might as well give up now. However, I’d like to hope our new owners have more ambition that simply treading water until we get relegated. Expand From what you posted. You've said you expect us to get better for less money than we pay Forster. Unless they're free, we'd be paying a fee, but even free there'll likely be a signing on fee. Factoring that in, I'm not sure who you expect to get for less money who'll do better. You've seemingly changed your point to that you'd like us to splash cash on a better keeper. I'm with you on that, but transfer budget is not known and I'd hazard a guess we won't have masses to spend. If it came down, for example, to keeping Forster and spending cash on a another 10, or getting another keeper and not getting a 10, I'd be happy to keep him.
Lighthouse Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 10:21, egg said: From what you posted. You've said you expect us to get better for less money than we pay Forster. Unless they're free, we'd be paying a fee, but even free there'll likely be a signing on fee. Factoring that in, I'm not sure who you expect to get for less money who'll do better. You've seemingly changed your point to that you'd like us to splash cash on a better keeper. I'm with you on that, but transfer budget is not known and I'd hazard a guess we won't have masses to spend. If it came down, for example, to keeping Forster and spending cash on a another 10, or getting another keeper and not getting a 10, I'd be happy to keep him. Expand What I said was… On 18/04/2022 at 07:42, Lighthouse said: If we can’t find a better player than Forster for the same considerable wages he’s reportedly earning, then our scouts should pack up and go home. Expand Yes there will be fees involved, the point is we’re paying FF a massive wage which is disproportionate to what he delivers on the pitch. It will take some investment from our new owners to actually buy the player but if they’re not willing to do that then I don’t know why they’re here. We’re not talking about building a team of Galacticos, we just need someone decent enough to stay comfortably midtable.
stevy777_x Posted 18 April, 2022 Author Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 09:14, The Kraken said: This. We spent a reported £13.5M on Angus Gunn, and that didn’t work out all that well. Just have to hope that the club have got someone lined up who wont be a huge transfer fee and wages, and is a step up on Forster. Not easy. Expand Do not go English with the next keeper, there is so much talent in Europe in that position
tajjuk Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 If Burnley go down we could do a lot worse than Pope, they'd probably be already relegated without him. 1
The Kraken Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 11:53, tajjuk said: If Burnley go down we could do a lot worse than Pope, they'd probably be already relegated without him. Expand I like Pope but I think he’ll attract a bit of interest and wouldn’t be cheap. 1
VectisSaint Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 What happened to the Albanian bloke we were reportedly in for last Summer? Forster is gone, we offered him a contract for significantly less than he is currently on (allegedly) and he turned it down (presumably because we couldn't or didn't want to afford his considerable current wages). It would suggest that we are looking for, or more likely have already agreed a replacement who will be on less that Forster and more than McCarthy. I suggest that what will happen in the Summer is that we will offer Willy a one year contract, Forster and Lewis will bid farewell and go to pastures new that they have already sorted (after knowing for a year that they are on their way) and a new keeper will come in ostensibly as first choice, probably from a European League. The only slight doubt in my mind is whether McCarthy might be sold as well, since he fucked up with Ralph when he was injured, I do feel that his absence since then is a little fishy, it has gone on for too long to be just a hammy, especially for a keeper, Ralph's seeming desire to keep Willy suggests this might be the case. 1
Saint Matty 76 Posted 18 April, 2022 Posted 18 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 07:42, Lighthouse said: If we can’t find a better player than Forster for the same considerable wages he’s reportedly earning, then our scouts should pack up and go home. Expand Literally. 😅 I know recency bias is big but my god how are we forgetting Forster's output for the last 4 years?
vectraman Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 Ralph stating in today’s echo interview that there are actively looking at offering a contract to Fraser Forster….. 1
DT Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 It's a definite keep for me. Was always mad to promote the useless McCarthy over him. And still is. Get a new number 2/joint number one. And lose the Alex 3
Badger Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 11:59, VectisSaint said: What happened to the Albanian bloke we were reportedly in for last Summer? Expand Still at Lazio. I think he's out f contract at the end of the season, although linked with several bigger clubs than us. (But then again Salisu was linked with Man Utd before signing for us).
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 On 19/04/2022 at 16:07, DT said: It's a definite keep for me. Was always mad to promote the useless McCarthy over him. And still is. Get a new number 2/joint number one. And lose the Alex Expand You think it’s that easy? If FF stays, our 2 keepers will be the same as this year.
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 I still hold the view that it will be better for both parties if Fraser moves on in the close season. There is just too much baggage that comes with him with any new contract; one or two bad games and the Club will be under the cosh from fans for failing to take decisive action on the goalkeeping position when they had the chance to do so. We should stretch the coffers as far as possible on a proven young international keeper with many good years ahead of him and not just go for the easy out that could backfire. There must be some really decent keepers in Europe who would love to get a crack at he PL even with a middling table am like Saints. Niemi, Boruc some body at that level.... 1
SW5 SAINT Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 Do we actually know that McCarthy has already signed a new contract…? I was just reading on the BBC website that all our keepers are out of contract come the summer….!
LiberalCommunist Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 Can anyone think of another Saint that was so heavily derided after signing a new long term deal, only for people to want said player to stay after the deal ends? I can't. Its a strange one. I like that he's turned it around, but the weekly wage still makes me super nervous. 2
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 19 April, 2022 Posted 19 April, 2022 On 19/04/2022 at 15:35, vectraman said: Ralph stating in today’s echo interview that there are actively looking at offering a contract to Fraser Forster….. Expand Him staying would come as a surprise. Going by previous posts, we may well actively offer him a contract. But one at a lower level than he's on. Possibly by some way. As before, he will weigh up his options and go elsewhere if it offers a better deal for him. So, we may well look to offer something, but it may have the same outcome. How you feel about his wages, form, likely replacement quality and ongoing use will determine how much of a blow that is. 🙂 I'd not be upset by seeing him at #1 next season.
stevy777_x Posted 19 April, 2022 Author Posted 19 April, 2022 On 19/04/2022 at 17:32, Lord Duckhunter said: You think it’s that easy? If FF stays, our 2 keepers will be the same as this year. Expand And that to me is a huge problem. We ve been crying out for an upgrade for years. And that we have an opportunity we re going to renew both? That to me would be bonkers and gross mismanagement 2
Saint Garrett Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 19/04/2022 at 17:47, SW5 SAINT said: Do we actually know that McCarthy has already signed a new contract…? I was just reading on the BBC website that all our keepers are out of contract come the summer….! Expand He signed a new contract last summer. The club decided to keep Macca and move Forster on, now we have a problem because Forster is our best keeper, but we're pretty stuck with Macca. IMO, if we have the funds to be able to bring in a better keeper than Fraser, alongside all the other positions that take a priority, then I'm all for letting him go. If not, it wouldn't be the end of the world if Fraser is our no 1 next season.
Matthew Le God Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 (edited) On 20/04/2022 at 09:05, Saint Garrett said: He signed a new contract last summer. The club decided to keep Macca and move Forster on, now we have a problem because Forster is our best keeper, but we're pretty stuck with Macca. Expand They could attempt to sell him and subsidise some of his wages if that is an issue for any buying club. Edited 20 April, 2022 by Matthew Le God
Guest Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 Am I right in thinking that RH called Alex McCarthy out on something after a game, then he had a hamstring injury which has somehow lasted over four months? Not mentions of him, no match day squads for him, no sign of him.
nta786 Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 10:59, FarehamSaintJames said: Am I right in thinking that RH called Alex McCarthy out on something after a game, then he had a hamstring injury which has somehow lasted over four months? Not mentions of him, no match day squads for him, no sign of him. Expand I think so, after the Brighton home game pretty sure Ralph said Alex was unprofessional and that if he was injured he should have signalled to the bench because we still had one sub remaining. Of course, as it transpired, we had JWP running back to goal keeping Maupay onside just to protect McCarthy. 1
VectisSaint Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 10:59, FarehamSaintJames said: Am I right in thinking that RH called Alex McCarthy out on something after a game, then he had a hamstring injury which has somehow lasted over four months? Not mentions of him, no match day squads for him, no sign of him. Expand Not quite. He developed thigh injury during the Brighton game, but didn't (apparently) inform the coaching staff that he was in trouble and stayed on the pitch while almost immobile. Ralph rebuked him for being unprofessional immediately after the game, though later he appeared to withdraw his criticism. Macca has not been seen in a squad since but does appear to be back in training. It was said his injury was hamstring, but now being reported as thigh problems, which might make some sense since hamstring issues in themselves tend to clear up quicker than this one.
The Kraken Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 12:03, VectisSaint said: Not quite. He developed thigh injury during the Brighton game, but didn't (apparently) inform the coaching staff that he was in trouble and stayed on the pitch while almost immobile. Ralph rebuked him for being unprofessional immediately after the game, though later he appeared to withdraw his criticism. Macca has not been seen in a squad since but does appear to be back in training. It was said his injury was hamstring, but now being reported as thigh problems, which might make some sense since hamstring issues in themselves tend to clear up quicker than this one. Expand He did, he said he made his post match comments without having all the facts, and he regretted what he said. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12491000/alex-mccarthy-southampton-boss-ralph-hasenhuttl-says-it-was-not-perfect-to-question-goalkeepers-professionalism 1
DT Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 12:03, VectisSaint said: Not quite. He developed thigh injury during the Brighton game, but didn't (apparently) inform the coaching staff that he was in trouble and stayed on the pitch while almost immobile. Ralph rebuked him for being unprofessional immediately after the game, though later he appeared to withdraw his criticism. Macca has not been seen in a squad since but does appear to be back in training. It was said his injury was hamstring, but now being reported as thigh problems, which might make some sense since hamstring issues in themselves tend to clear up quicker than this one. Expand I'd be less worried about his unprofessionalism, and more about him being shit. Better to keep Willy. 2
DT Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 12:03, VectisSaint said: Not quite. He developed thigh injury during the Brighton game, but didn't (apparently) inform the coaching staff that he was in trouble and stayed on the pitch while almost immobile. Ralph rebuked him for being unprofessional immediately after the game, though later he appeared to withdraw his criticism. Macca has not been seen in a squad since but does appear to be back in training. It was said his injury was hamstring, but now being reported as thigh problems, which might make some sense since hamstring issues in themselves tend to clear up quicker than this one. Expand I'd be less worried about his unprofessionalism, and more about him being shit. Better to keep Willy.
Piran Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 12:48, DT said: I'd be less worried about his unprofessionalism, and more about him being shit. Better to keep Willy. Expand Are you not a fan of AM, DT?
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 09:05, Saint Garrett said: He signed a new contract last summer. The club decided to keep Macca and move Forster on, now we have a problem because Forster is our best keeper, but we're pretty stuck with Macca. IMO, if we have the funds to be able to bring in a better keeper than Fraser, alongside all the other positions that take a priority, then I'm all for letting him go. If not, it wouldn't be the end of the world if Fraser is our no 1 next season. Expand There are loads of worse keepers out there than AM, so stuck with seems a little harsh. Otherwise, totally agree. Forster (in current form) or an upgrade of same with AM in reserve would be okay. Up front needs the attention first, if Broja isn't staying.
LiberalCommunist Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 I try to imagine which prem club has a worse keeper than AM, But I really can't pin one down. Krul perhaps? There's quite a few inconsistent keepers, but none as consistently bad as AM unfortunately. (Notice I didn't name Gunn) 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 20 April, 2022 Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 18:44, LiberalCommunist said: I try to imagine which prem club has a worse keeper than AM, But I really can't pin one down. Krul perhaps? There's quite a few inconsistent keepers, but none as consistently bad as AM unfortunately. (Notice I didn't name Gunn) Expand I did consciously not say Prem club, as I was thinking of keepers out with it, we might bring in. I'd think that there would be a number, Prem ones included, who'd struggle in one of our slumps. Uunless the consensus his that AM plays a big part in those slumps. 🙂 I agree there's inconsistency. But I think that comes from it being the exposed position it is. Extra smiley as I can't delete it... 😊
stevy777_x Posted 20 April, 2022 Author Posted 20 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 18:44, LiberalCommunist said: I try to imagine which prem club has a worse keeper than AM, But I really can't pin one down. Krul perhaps? There's quite a few inconsistent keepers, but none as consistently bad as AM unfortunately. (Notice I didn't name Gunn) Expand AM is not that bad come on ! Angus Gunn is way worse than AM.
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 April, 2022 Posted 21 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 23:25, stevy777_x said: AM is not that bad come on ! Angus Gunn is way worse than AM. Expand He’s been responsible for letting a lot of goals in. Norwich away comes to mind. We can do better and we should.
Wade Garrett Posted 21 April, 2022 Posted 21 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 23:25, stevy777_x said: AM is not that bad come on ! Angus Gunn is way worse than AM. Expand I’ve said it before - if it wasn’t for his dad, Angus would be lucky to get a game in the Southern League.
Midfield_General Posted 21 April, 2022 Posted 21 April, 2022 On 20/04/2022 at 18:44, LiberalCommunist said: I try to imagine which prem club has a worse keeper than AM, But I really can't pin one down. Krul perhaps? There's quite a few inconsistent keepers, but none as consistently bad as AM unfortunately. (Notice I didn't name Gunn) Expand Tim Krul at his peak was significantly better than McCarthy has ever been. I've never seen AM have a game like this, for example: He's played for the Netherlands at every level including 15 full caps. Also a penalty-saving specialist. Don't know whether he's in decline now, but peak Krul was a level above.
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