TWar’s In-Depth Football Analysis

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:14, TWar said:

I mean, you can't. You just disagree with me and don't have any good arguments so you make stupid asumptions about me as a person.

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It’s obvious pal

[OttawaSaint]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:13, TWar said:

Can't believe anyone in their right mind would watch that game and come away from it blaming Adam Armstrong, the striker who had good chances and hit the post, and not like seven of our other players first. Including all three other strikers who either missed bigger chances or weren't good enough to get chances in the first place.

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Noone is blaming AA at all. We're just pointing out that in that circumstance hitting the post wasn't unlucky. 

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:15, Dman said:

No one is blaming Adam Armstrong for the loss. His misses played a part, just like the other 3 you singled out. 
 

You intentionally left him out because you don’t want to admit you’re wrong. 

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The other three made much bigger mistakes. Adams had a much easier 1v1 being centrally placed and, unlike Armstrong who hit the post and was inches away, was nowhere near scoring putting it straight at the keeper. Stephens passed it to the opposition in our box and Salisu gave away a pen when we were under 0 pressure. Adam Armstrong wasn't perfect but he didn't make any worse errors than most of the team and was a shit tonne more effective than Broja who came on to replace him and did absolutely nothing.

[Dman]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:17, TWar said:

The other three made much bigger mistakes. Adams had a much easier 1v1 being centrally placed and, unlike Armstrong who hit the post and was inches away, was nowhere near scoring putting it straight at the keeper. Stephens passed it to the opposition in our box and Salisu gave away a pen when we were under 0 pressure. Adam Armstrong wasn't perfect but he didn't make any worse errors than most of the team and was a shit tonne more effective than Broja who came on to replace him and did absolutely nothing.

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Again, clearly never played the game. 
 

I CBA to explain why Armstrong’s chance was easier. Both poor though. 

Edited 20 March, 2022 by Dman

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:16, Turkish said:

It’s obvious pal

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It really isn't. You just say it because you can't actually come up with a counter point.

[OttawaSaint]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:14, TWar said:

I mean, you can't. You just disagree with me and don't have any good arguments so you make stupid asumptions about me as a person.

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No need to get shirty. It's not your fault you don't play and are missing that critical perspective. But take it from those that play, he knows and we know it was a chance he'd have dreamed about and a bad miss that he'd want back.

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:18, Dman said:

Again, clearly never played the game. 

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You also run out of clever things to say?

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:19, OttawaSaint said:

No need to get shirty. It's not your fault you don't play and are missing that critical perspective. But take it from those that play, he knows and we know it was a chance he'd have dreamed about and a bad miss that he'd want back.

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Well I do play, but it doesn't matter to my point which is free standing and should be judged on it's own merit.

[OttawaSaint]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:21, TWar said:

Well I do play, but it doesn't matter to my point which is free standing and should be judged on it's own merit.

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I don't believe you. 

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:18, Baird of the land said:

Don't agree at all. The keeper gets anything that's not in the very corner.

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What you don't understand is some of these blokes played a bit of sunday league before they got fat/their knees went and they remember that they could just twat it at big Pete, the Goalkeeper/bus driver of the other team and it would normally go past him before his hungover brain could react. They don't understand why Armstrong can't just do the same against a prem quality player and anyone who disagrees clearly never themselves rolled off a bus to Totton and limped around a cold pitch for a game before heading off to the pub.

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:19, TWar said:

It really isn't. You just say it because you can't actually come up with a counter point.

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Don’t need to. Others have  done it and you’ve dug yourself a hole. No point repeating what others have said. There’s no shame in admitting that you’re more of a spreadsheets man than player. MLG doesn’t have an issue admitting it, he’s proud of it If anything 

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:23, OttawaSaint said:

I don't believe you. 

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Well thats fine, I don't live my life to impress you and I don't think whether I played low level football matters anyway (and it is low level unless one of you lot is secretly David James or something)

[OttawaSaint]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:24, TWar said:

What you don't understand is some of these blokes played a bit of sunday league before they got fat/their knees went and they remember that they could just twat it at big Pete, the Goalkeeper/bus driver of the other team and it would normally go past him before his hungover brain could react. They don't understand why Armstrong can't just do the same against a prem quality player and anyone who disagrees clearly never themselves rolled off a bus to Totton and limped around a cold pitch for a game before heading off to the pub.

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Oh dear...

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:25, Turkish said:

Don’t need to. Others have  done it and you’ve dug yourself a hole. No point repeating what others have said. There’s no shame in admitting that you’re more of a spreadsheets man than player. MLG doesn’t have an issue admitting it, he’s proud of it If anything 

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I think you think because you are thick and were once semi decent at football they are mutually exclusive. They are not, people can both understand and play the game. Understanding it doesn't mean you don't play it. A lot of younger football fans both play football and can discuss tactics/stats without frothing at the mouth.

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:26, OttawaSaint said:

Oh dear...

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Sorry mate, I'm sure you had a long career as a professional footballer before taking your managerial badges making you innately more qualified to use a football forum than anyone else.

[gallaghert366@yahoo.com]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:13, TWar said:

Can't believe anyone in their right mind would watch that game and come away from it blaming Adam Armstrong, the striker who had good chances and hit the post, and not like seven of our other players first. Including all three other strikers who either missed bigger chances or weren't good enough to get chances in the first place.

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WTF are you on about? 

AA is a Championship level player and made poor contact (scuffed in my language) with at least two chances.

Adams is also a Championship level player and a 'silk purse from a sow's ear' is not possible. 

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:27, TWar said:

I think you think because you are thick and were once semi decent at football they are mutually exclusive. They are not, people can both understand and play the game. Understanding it doesn't mean you don't play it. A lot of younger football fans both play football and can discuss tactics/stats without frothing at the mouth.

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Oh now you’re getting all upset and personal. Seems to me it’s you doing the mouth frothing young man. Your spreadsheets will only tell you so much 

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:30, gallaghert366@yahoo.com said:

WTF are you on about? 

AA is a Championship level player and made poor contact (scuffed in my language) with at least two chances.

Adams is also a Championship level player and a 'silk purse from a sow's ear' is not possible. 

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Adams is our top scorer and would be the top scorer for like 7 other prem sides, to say he is "championship level" is demonstrably wrong. He just didn't perform against the best team in the world, it happens.

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:30, TWar said:

Sorry mate, I'm sure you had a long career as a professional footballer before taking your managerial badges making you innately more qualified to use a football forum than anyone else.

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You okay hun? Someone be meddling with your formulas?

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:33, Turkish said:

Oh now you’re getting all upset and personal. Seems to me it’s you doing the mouth frothing young man. Your spreadsheets will only tell you so much 

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I've always maintained I don't think you are very bright, to be fair.

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:33, TWar said:

Adams is our top scorer and would be the top scorer for like 7 other prem sides, to say he is "championship level" is demonstrably wrong. He just didn't perform against the best team in the world, it happens.

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How many premier league clubs would Armstrong be top scorer at?

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:35, Turkish said:

How many premier league clubs would Armstrong be top scorer at?

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None, he hasn't started much this season. Broja too would be none, for the record. Might be joint top for one or too.

Edited 20 March, 2022 by TWar

[OttawaSaint]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:30, TWar said:

Sorry mate, I'm sure you had a long career as a professional footballer before taking your managerial badges making you innately more qualified to use a football forum than anyone else.

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Yikes! You just keep digging. 

I'll state one last time. You don't need to have been a pro, but just played at decent level (I still do) to know how upset AA will be with that miss. 

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:36, OttawaSaint said:

Yikes! You just keep digging. 

I'll state one last time. You don't need to have been a pro, but just played at decent level (I still do) to know how upset AA will be with that miss. 

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You can state it as many times as you want, it's still the very definition of a silly argument, with no evidence, and that wouldn't hold water anyway.

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:35, TWar said:

I've always maintained I don't think you are very bright, to be fair.

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I couldn’t give a toss what you think of me. Despite your arrogance your opinions on football are close to embarrassing at times. I’ve always maintained you’ve never played football at any decent level and your knowledge and experience is based on spreadsheets and with every ridiculous post you prove me right. Sorry about that. 

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:37, Turkish said:

I couldn’t give a toss what you think of me. Despite your arrogance your opinions on football are close to embarrassing at times. I’ve always maintained you’ve never played football at any decent level and your knowledge and experience is based on spreadsheets and with every ridiculous post you prove me right. Sorry about that. 

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That's probably just as well.

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:40, TWar said:

That's probably just as well.

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Lions do not care for the opinions of gazelles young man

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:41, Turkish said:

Lions do not care for the opinions of gazelles young man

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It's amusing you call others embarrassing then refer to yourself as a lion

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:42, TWar said:

It's amusing you call others embarrassing then refer to yourself as a lion

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Im glad I’ve amused you. It’s a nice role reversal as I spend an awful lot of time being amused by you on here. 

[Dman]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:37, TWar said:

You can state it as many times as you want, it's still the very definition of a silly argument, with no evidence, and that wouldn't hold water anyway.

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No evidence? Other than the countless premier league goals scored from that position, that premier league keepers don’t save. 
 

pretty sure Broja scored one earlier this season, as did Adams against United. 
 

weak argument, getting yourself in knots trying to defend the undefendable. 
 

 

[Ekelund]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:19, OttawaSaint said:

No need to get shirty. It's not your fault you don't play and are missing that critical perspective. But take it from those that play, he knows and we know it was a chance he'd have dreamed about and a bad miss that he'd want back.

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Asking for a friend, does having played include 6 aside at lordshill oasis? Jesus you lot . Before you know it you’ll be scanning you’re march day programs, assuming you’ve played of course 

Edited 20 March, 2022 by Ekelund

[woodsaint1]

I played at a pretty decent level here in NI. Useful to know that this now elevates my opinion above 90% of posters on here 🙃🤯

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Did I mention I was actually Pelé? 😊

[The Kraken]

  On 20/03/2022 at 20:53, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Did I mention I was actually Pelé? 😊

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He was crap for us, terrible defender.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 20/03/2022 at 21:10, The Kraken said:

He was crap for us, terrible defender.

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I knew someone would do that one 😊

[TWar]

  On 20/03/2022 at 19:56, Dman said:

No evidence? Other than the countless premier league goals scored from that position, that premier league keepers don’t save. 
 

pretty sure Broja scored one earlier this season, as did Adams against United. 
 

weak argument, getting yourself in knots trying to defend the undefendable. 
 

 

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The argument I was referring to was that playing amateur/semi professional football made you better at judging a game, that I don't play amateur/semi professional football, and therefore my view on the game is less valid. Which is wrong on all three counts. You are addressing the wrong point.

[Turkish]

  On 20/03/2022 at 22:41, TWar said:

The argument I was referring to was that playing amateur/semi professional football made you better at judging a game, that I don't play amateur/semi professional football, and therefore my view on the game is less valid. Which is wrong on all three counts. You are addressing the wrong point.

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if you were going to ask someones advice on how to build a wall which one would be most likely to give you the best help?

A proffesional bricklayer with years of experience on the trowel

Someone who has done a fair bit of it in their spare time 

Someone who has never picked up a brick in their life but have watched some you tube clips and thinks they know it all

[egg]

  On 20/03/2022 at 18:35, Turkish said:

How many premier league clubs would Armstrong be top scorer at?

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There's not many premier league clubs he'd actually be at to be honest, and bar perhaps Watford or maybe Brighton, I can't think who else would give him regular football. That said, he's got something about him, but not quite enough for the premier league. 

I'll resist the temptation of chipping into the TWar discussion, but you're not wrong. 

[Turkish]

  On 21/03/2022 at 13:18, egg said:

There's not many premier league clubs he'd actually be at to be honest, and bar perhaps Watford or maybe Brighton, I can't think who else would give him regular football. That said, he's got something about him, but not quite enough for the premier league. 

I'll resist the temptation of chipping into the TWar discussion, but you're not wrong. 

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He looks to me to be one of those players who is a very good player in the championship but not quite good enough for the premier league. Rob Earnshaw, Billy Sharp types. Maybe he'll come good next season as it's too early to write him off just yet.

[TWar]

  On 21/03/2022 at 13:08, Turkish said:

if you were going to ask someones advice on how to build a wall which one would be most likely to give you the best help?

A proffesional bricklayer with years of experience on the trowel

Someone who has done a fair bit of it in their spare time 

Someone who has never picked up a brick in their life but have watched some you tube clips and thinks they know it all

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If you were going to ask someone to design a new paint who would you pick, someone who understands the underlying theory of paint science but has never actually painted something or someone who did an ok job painting their room once but apart from that doesn't know there arse from their elbow? The ideal candidate is someone who has both professionally painted and understands the theory behind paint creation, but failing that, someone going "well, once I painted a fence" is pretty useless in the grand old scheme of things. That's a better analogy I'd say. You playing a bit of amateur football doesn't make you more qualified to comment on the prem than anyone else.

Edited 21 March, 2022 by TWar

[TWar]

  On 21/03/2022 at 13:21, Turkish said:

He looks to me to be one of those players who is a very good player in the championship but not quite good enough for the premier league. Rob Earnshaw, Billy Sharp types. Maybe he'll come good next season as it's too early to write him off just yet.

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The exact same was said of Che Adams and he was up for player of the month last month

[Turkish]

  On 21/03/2022 at 13:50, TWar said:

If you were going to ask someone to design a new paint who would you pick, someone who understands the underlying theory of paint science but has never actually painted something or someone who did an ok job painting their room once but apart from that doesn't know there arse from their elbow? The ideal candidate is someone who has both professionally painted and understands the theory behind paint creation, but failing that, someone going "well, once I painted a fence" is pretty useless in the grand old scheme of things. That's a better analogy I'd say. You playing a bit of amateur football doesn't make you more qualified to comment on the prem than anyone else.

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It's a terrible analogy and makes absolutely no sense. Particularly as you've yet again proven that knowing the theory on something is only part of it, you need to have done it in practice as well. So thanks for proving me right  😄 

Also i think you'll find i've done more than "played a bit of amateur football" but then i'm not one to boast 😉 

[Sarisbury Saint]

  On 21/03/2022 at 13:08, Turkish said:

if you were going to ask someones advice on how to build a wall which one would be most likely to give you the best help?

A proffesional bricklayer with years of experience on the trowel

Someone who has done a fair bit of it in their spare time 

Someone who has never picked up a brick in their life but have watched some you tube clips and thinks they know it all

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Which one would he employ ??

Not the first one because they’d be too expensive and not worth the money.

Second one most likely, because he’s a really good hod carrier.

If not second one then the third one, because he can then tell them he knows best.

[TWar]

  On 21/03/2022 at 14:08, Turkish said:

It's a terrible analogy and makes absolutely no sense. Particularly as you've yet again proven that knowing the theory on something is only part of it, you need to have done it in practice as well. So thanks for proving me right  😄 

Also i think you'll find i've done more than "played a bit of amateur football" but then i'm not one to boast 😉 

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Ofcourse knowing theory is only part of it, but its a significantly more valuable part than having played football at a very low level and getting all confused by terms like "against the ball" and "expected goals". Unless you are telling me you are a former top level pro-footballer, in which case who are you? Out of interest.

Edited 21 March, 2022 by TWar

[Sarisbury Saint]

  On 21/03/2022 at 14:24, TWar said:

Ofcourse knowing theory is only part of it, but its a significantly more valuable part than having played football at a very low level. Unless you are telling me you are a former top level pro-footballer, in which case who are you? Out of interest.

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Don’t tell him Frannie.

[Turkish]

  On 21/03/2022 at 14:24, TWar said:

Ofcourse knowing theory is only part of it, but its a significantly more valuable part than having played football at a very low level and getting all confused by terms like "against the ball" and "expected goals". Unless you are telling me you are a former top level pro-footballer, in which case who are you? Out of interest.

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Define "very low level" 

 

[trousers]

  On 21/03/2022 at 15:36, Turkish said:

Define "very low level" 

 

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[badgerx16]

What everybody needs to remember is that AA, Che, and Schlong all look worldies in training ---- because they are practicing against Fraser and Macca.

Edited 21 March, 2022 by badgerx16

[manzo]

Is it alright to have the opinion that both Adams and Armstrong will be bloody disappointed with their shots yesterday? And that Stephens will be livid with his mistake for the first goal, Salisu extremely disappointed to give away a totally needless penalty, and Forster annoyed at not saving the penalty (the least worse mistake out of the lot, to be fair).

I have to admit that I've not played football at a professional level. Or amateur much. I did once play a half at The Dell though, if that counts? In the wrong position, mind.

[TWar]

  On 21/03/2022 at 15:36, Turkish said:

Define "very low level" 

 

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One wherein you are not comparable to a premier league striker, or even a championship level one.

Edited 21 March, 2022 by TWar