Saints 1-2 Watford - Match Thread

[TWar]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

 

That's your take away from this game - that Broja was useless. Blimey.

Try watching each game without your preconceptions blinkering what you see. 

Did you miss the rest of my comment? I mentioned almost half the team by name and the defence?

Edited 13 March, 2022 by TWar

[derry]

63%possession, Villa and Newcastle 62% and 68%, three losses, 2 goals for and 8 against, This was again a total tactical shambles. Playing this way in three successive almost identical on the break losses helped by the inevitable mess for the first goal is management stupidity. I say inevitable because it is, the two centrbacks and Forster are no ball players and sooner or later we were going to concede playing short passes under pressure. We unsuccessfully played the same way many times in the last few years. It is not the way to play against packed defences because playing this way causes an organised packed defence to form.. If Bednarek had a clear forward pass he would still pass to Salisu or Forster. 

The defenders need to win the ball and pass the ball up to the front as quickly as possible. Sticking everybody but Bednarek and Salisu into the final third is kamikaze stupidity and happens because everybody is being sucked in by the painfully slow play, backwards and sideways all the way from the back. We will not win matches against teams that are comfortable and happy to let us fanny about at the back and play slowly then hit us outnumbered on the break.  

[The Cat]

Thought many players were poor. Only really Walker Peters and Redmond when he came on were above average.

So many passes didn't find their target, and a lot of them weren't even difficult ones either.

We desperately need a new keeper, Forster was awful on both goals, and an attacker with a bit of something about them. Someone like Djenepo but actually good and not made of biscuits.

[Chez]

14 minutes ago, TWar said:

Did you miss the rest of my comment? I mentioned almost half the team by name and the defence?

 

Broja came on, was a handful, all be it unsuccessful, got injured and came off, yet you picked him out specifically for criticism. Why?

I will tell you why. Because you have spent the last few days on here telling people that Che is the better player, so you thought you'd back up your argument by pointing out what Broja did or didn't do. 

Edited 13 March, 2022 by Chez

[Chez]

1 minute ago, derry said:

63%possession, Villa and Newcastle 62% and 68%, three losses, 2 goals for and 8 against, This was again a total tactical shambles. Playing this way in three successive almost identical on the break losses helped by the inevitable mess for the first goal is management stupidity. I say inevitable because it is, the two centrbacks and Forster are no ball players and sooner or later we were going to concede playing short passes under pressure. We unsuccessfully played the same way many times in the last few years. It is not the way to play against packed defences because playing this way causes an organised packed defence to form.. If Bednarek had a clear forward pass he would still pass to Salisu or Forster. 

The defenders need to win the ball and pass the ball up to the front as quickly as possible. Sticking everybody but Bednarek and Salisu into the final third is kamikaze stupidity and happens because everybody is being sucked in by the painfully slow play, backwards and sideways all the way from the back. We will not win matches against teams that are comfortable and happy to let us fanny about at the back and play slowly then hit us outnumbered on the break.  

I don't always agree with your takes, but you make a god point. We ain't got enough quality/skill to break teams down that sit deep, so faster attacks (with longer direct balls) seems the only alternative. 

[HarvSFC]

First of all, you could tell Watford have a relegation escapist expert in charge now. They were very good at the “dark arts”, delaying the game, feigning injuries, etc. Whoever the ref was, you’d say he was in their pocket, without making any major decisions, he gave one of the weakest refereeing performances I’ve ever seen. 
 

Secondly, the starting lineup was all wrong. If Broja’s out of form and not starting, replace him with Armstrong, the player we spent £15m on to replace Ings. Replacing him with Smallbone, who is as effective as Walcott is in the Premier League and isolating Adams up top, who is a support striker, not a lone forward is just pure crap. Without considering the fixture is Watford at home.

Thirdly, for the second game in days, we’re playing walking football. All our players look for the easy pass, then the other traps the ball, killing it dead and then moving it sideways. The ball needs to be constantly moving. It hasn’t been with us for the last few fixtures now and isn’t going to be any good against Watford, who have been a team of athletes and powerful runners for years now, since they got promoted with Ashley Young and Marlong King back in the day. Broja, Armstrong and KWP were our strongest ball carriers, but other than KWP nobody takes anyone on now.

Fourthly, if I was a cynical person, I’d be suggesting that Salisu is done here. We know that he either signs a new contract, or he’s gone this summer and judging by current performances he’s not playing at 100% like Van Dijk wasn’t when he decided he wanted to go. His body language off the ball is also similar to that of Ings last season. He’s a shadow of the player who bossed City recently and on current form he’s useless to us, as Van Dijk was, who was a far superior player when he stopped bothering to show up. 

Finally, not great form to be heading into the FA Cup fixture against City. Reminiscent of the semi-final at Wembley from a few years ago when we didn’t turn up, if we carry on. I guess the next phase is to find players with a winning mentality, these lot strive for safety and then stop. Europe was a possibility 8 days ago, considering we could have been on 44 points if we had won all three from the week, but now the season’s over barring a Cup upset.

Edited 13 March, 2022 by HarvSFC

[St.Jeweller]

It's all gone wrong since the Premier League changed the match ball.

[hasper57saint]

Three expected ‘walkovers’ result in three consecutive losses. Season after season we fail to beat teams around and below us. All three of our losses have been by teams below us. Rather than lay blame point the finger at the responsibility which in these three examples is Ralph’s. I am reluctant to call for him to go but it’s getting closer after each game. Why does he still permit this constant crab football? You don’t score goals passing the ball sideways. Is it too late for him to adapt to attacking football?

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

I don't always agree with your takes, but you make a god point. We ain't got enough quality/skill to break teams down that sit deep, so faster attacks (with longer direct balls) seems the only alternative. 

Yep. We’re so easy to play against. 
 

If you come and attack us, we’ll give you a good game. Especially with players like Broja who can run in behind. And Che, Armstrong and Moi finding space in the pockets. 
 

When you sit deep and give us the ball, preventing us getting in behind, we’re really, really average. 

Edited 13 March, 2022 by Dman

[Midfield_General]

1 minute ago, St.Jeweller said:

It's all gone wrong since the Premier League changed the match ball.

The new one looks like one of those ones you win at a fete 

[Saint Pete]

Really poor from us today. Apart from KWP, none of our better players really turned up. Not sure where Salisu's head was today and Armstrong also particularly poor with his passing and decision making. Should have probably been given the day off today.

No excuse for our performance, but I have to also say the ref needs to do more to deal with the constant falling over, feigning head injuries and disrupting the flow of the game from Watford throughout. I have never seen so many drop ball restarts in a game as today. I know all teams try to waste time and delay the game to some extent when leading but I felt Watford took it to a new level today and the ref seemed either unable or unwilling to do anything about it.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

35 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

'This will not happen again' - Hasenhuttl makes guarantee to supporters (05/03/2022, Aston Villa 4-0 Southampton)

I guess he meant that we won't lose 4-0 to Villa again. It might be more next time, and in the meantime we can also lose to other teams. 🙂

[TWar]

9 minutes ago, Chez said:

 

Broja came on, was a handful, all be it unsuccessful, got injured and came off, yet you picked him out specifically for criticism. Why?

I will tell you why. Because you have spent the last few days on here telling people that Che is the better player, so you thought you'd back up your argument by pointing out what Broja did or didn't do. 

He was the stark opposite of a handful, I don't remember him having a single chance. Do you?

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

 

Fourthly, if I was a cynical person, I’d be suggesting that Salisu is done here. We know that he either signs a new contract, or he’s gone this summer and judging by current performances he’s not playing at 100% like Van Dijk wasn’t when he decided he wanted to go. His body language off the ball is also similar to that of Ings last season. He’s a shadow of the player who bossed City recently and on current form he’s useless to us, as Van Dijk was, who was a far superior player when he stopped bothering to show up. 

 

That is cynical. He's just been injured. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

I am amazed by football fans' ability to read body language.

[S-Clarke]

Absolutley abysmal from min 1 to the end to be honest.

Salisu looked like he was hung over or something, really rubbish. Worse than the Newcaslte game, and he was shit then as well. He was slow in his mind, headers not directed well enough, passing and decision of passing atrocious. If that is his level then we'd struggle to get 2 quid for him. Its not his level though, so my take is that we've rushed him back too soon and he's not fit.

Bednarek is Bednarek, when he doesn't have Salisu to bail him out he is pretty inept. He can pass as an average CB from time to time, but when he has his poor runs he cannot defend at all. We might as well put Adam Armstrong back there, it wouldn't make us any weaker.

Stu Armstrong was awful, his passing was dreadful. He was marked quite heavily and struggled to find space, but he wasn't careful enough in possession when he did have the ball. Midfield was ok...they passed the ball back and sideways, but there was zero penetration in there.

Less said about Smallbone the better. KWP probably the best player on the pitch, only one providing us any real threat to be honest. 

Broja gave us some legs when he came on as Adams struggled massively to impose himself as a lone striker, but both struggled to get a head of steam as the side was just devoid of anything at all. Worst performance of the season in my opinion.

We really are an extreme team, there's no denying it. From highs which are great highs, to lows for prolonged periods of time. That seems to stop us ever really doing anything of note. A proper mid-table team, probably 3 or so players from making the 'next' step.

Edited 13 March, 2022 by S-Clarke

[TWar]

We dominate possession but we lose. Our midfield has been doing it's job giving us a position to build on but our forwards aren't scoring and our defenders are making obvious errors. It's incredibly frustrating.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Someone like Djenepo but actually good and not made of biscuits.

Exciting Italian talent Garibaldi realises his future does not lie in joining Saints. 🙂

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, TWar said:

He was the stark opposite of a handful, I don't remember him having a single chance. Do you?

Why single him out? Stop trying to prove a point, you've called Broja out as not being good enough as x or y (that was wrong) and you are frantically trying to justify it so you don't have to say you were wrong. I don't often get involved in the tit for tat bollocks, but it's so irritating watching your posts at the moment.

Edited 13 March, 2022 by S-Clarke

[TWar]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

Why single him out? Stop trying to prove a point, it's clear that you've called Broja out as not being good enough as x or y (that was wrong) and you are frantically trying to justify it so you don't have to say you were wrong. I don't often get involved in the tit for tat bollocks, but it's so irritating watching your posts at the moment.

I didn't single him out, I literally mentioned all four of our forwards in my comment (both strikers, Moi and Stu). People just noticed Broja because he is wildly overrated so critism of him stands out.

Edited 13 March, 2022 by TWar

[Dman]

5 minutes ago, TWar said:

He was the stark opposite of a handful, I don't remember him having a single chance. Do you?

He was shit, they were all shit. Particularly the midfield who gave the forwards absolutely nothing to work with. 

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

He was shit, they were all shit. Particularly the midfield who gave the forwards absolutely nothing to work with. 

I agree, and said as much in my original post. He and Moi were least useful though.

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, hasper57saint said:

 Season after season we fail to beat teams around and below us.

Our record against the teams around (us 2 above and below) ain't bad:

we won and lost against Villa

We won and drew against Spurs

Drew against Palace

Drew against Leicester

There are ten teams below us at the moment. That's quite a lot. We are bound to lose to some of them.

 

[Dman]

Just now, TWar said:

I agree, and said as much in my original post. He and Moi were least useful though.

Well Moi scored a goal, so by that very definition, he was clearly more useful than the rest who didn’t. 
 

I wouldn’t say anyone was or wasn’t more or less useful when the whole team to a man, we’re massively under par. 

[Chez]

11 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yep. We’re so easy to play against. 
 

If you come and attack us, we’ll give you a good game. Especially with players like Broja who can run in behind. And Che, Armstrong and Moi finding space in the pockets. 
 

When you sit deep and give us the ball, preventing us getting in behind, we’re really, really average. 

don't recall us getting between their lines once. A lack of space is a massive problem. Faster attacks sounds like the solution, but that in itself isn't easy. The very best teams can struggle to break teams sitting deep down. We ain't the very best. Not sure of the solution, but we certainly need to think it through.

[Saint Keef]

Honestly guys (and ladies). Can't you see this is a "long term master plan".  Historically we are absolutely shit when we play at Goodison Park. So we are doing everything within our power (lost against Norwich, drew against Burnley at home, lost to Watford at home, lost to Newcastle at home.......yet beat Everton comfortably at home) ......to get Everton relegated so we don't have to play at Goodison next year.  It's cunning and it's brilliant!!!!

[SNSUN]

38 minutes ago, nta786 said:

If you can handover your debit cards and other assets I’ll be sure to make sure you don’t purchase a ticket?  

Or, why didn’t you run onto the pitch today?  

Only way we can trust you sorry!

TBF as a shiftworker there are comparatively few games I can attend anyway and that's it for home games this season bar the cup. I'm staying away... Sky and streams from now on in! 

[TWar]

5 minutes ago, Dman said:

Well Moi scored a goal, so by that very definition, he was clearly more useful than the rest who didn’t. 
 

I wouldn’t say anyone was or wasn’t more or less useful when the whole team to a man, we’re massively under par. 

JWP was better, his FK lead to the goal, he had multiple times where he picked out players who couldn't finish. I think KWP looked decent too. Most were poor, some were woeful, those two were fine.

Moi scored a goal put on a plate for him by a great FK by JWP and a great flick on by Che. Aside from that he looked very poor.

Edited 13 March, 2022 by TWar

[Chez]

12 minutes ago, TWar said:

He was the stark opposite of a handful, I don't remember him having a single chance. Do you?

No he didnt have a chance. So what?

I'd argue he was a handful, almost getting in a couple of times. But he was handled very well, they both came to nothing.

My pojnt still stands. Why single him out? Actually, don't bother answering. I know the answer already (as stated it in my previous post). 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

Smallbone  WTF???

[S-Clarke]

8 minutes ago, Chez said:

don't recall us getting between their lines once. A lack of space is a massive problem. Faster attacks sounds like the solution, but that in itself isn't easy. The very best teams can struggle to break teams sitting deep down. We ain't the very best. Not sure of the solution, but we certainly need to think it through.

This was the problem today, Watford closed the gaps between the lines very well. They played with a 3 in the middle from what I saw, which made it very difficult and Armstrong himself struggled to find any sort of space. The problem then comes when they have the ball....neither Elyonoussi or Armstrong have the pace to then go on a bit further, they have to recycle backwards and thus we're at the same spot again.

We are crying out for a quick, nippy number 10 - someone who can stretch along the front 3, and in the hole if required. We need to get shot of Redmond and Moussa and invest in someone with pace who will make our attack immediately quicker in games like this. We have a lot of number 10's, the likes of Armstrong and Elyonoussi are good in the 'counter' press type of games when we find space on the break, but we don't have the right sort of player for the other types of games - those 'sit in, 2 banks of 4' kind of teams.

Edited 13 March, 2022 by S-Clarke

[gammon cheeks]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Smallbone  WTF???

Very odd decision ...offered nothing ! Adam Armstrong should have started in my opinion.

[Toussaint]

20 minutes ago, TWar said:

We dominate possession but we lose. Our midfield has been doing it's job giving us a position to build on but our forwards aren't scoring and our defenders are making obvious errors. It's incredibly frustrating.

The midfield is not doing its job at all, it’s providing little protection for the defence and not creating any good opportunities for the strikers. 

[Teddeer]

33 minutes ago, derry said:

63%possession, Villa and Newcastle 62% and 68%, three losses, 2 goals for and 8 against, This was again a total tactical shambles. Playing this way in three successive almost identical on the break losses helped by the inevitable mess for the first goal is management stupidity. I say inevitable because it is, the two centrbacks and Forster are no ball players and sooner or later we were going to concede playing short passes under pressure. We unsuccessfully played the same way many times in the last few years. It is not the way to play against packed defences because playing this way causes an organised packed defence to form.. If Bednarek had a clear forward pass he would still pass to Salisu or Forster. 

The defenders need to win the ball and pass the ball up to the front as quickly as possible. Sticking everybody but Bednarek and Salisu into the final third is kamikaze stupidity and happens because everybody is being sucked in by the painfully slow play, backwards and sideways all the way from the back. We will not win matches against teams that are comfortable and happy to let us fanny about at the back and play slowly then hit us outnumbered on the break.  

In a nutshell. The slow build up against the low  block means we have to bring all our players into advanced positions so we constantly leave ourselves wide open to counter attacks and balls over the top into the channels. You'd think Ralph would have learned by now. 

[TWar]

Just now, Toussaint said:

The midfield is not doing its job at all, it’s providing little protection for the defence and not creating any good opportunities for the strikers. 

The midfield did protect the defence, just not enough to account for how dreadful the defence were (when they weren't just passing the ball to watford in our own box). As for making opportunities for the strikers, thats supposed to be mainly the attacking mids. JWP did create the most chances in the game though.

[LiberalCommunist]

well, I'm ready for our season finale next weekend, then we can well and truly put our feet up as we limp to 40 point total and another 14th place. 

Can't really complain after such a bad start to the season accumilating so many draws that we posted one of our longest top flight home  unbeaten sequences.

What a weird ass season. 

Glad F1 is just around the corner, I can start moaning about that instead! 

Edited 13 March, 2022 by LiberalCommunist

[Dman]

5 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

The midfield is not doing its job at all, it’s providing little protection for the defence and not creating any good opportunities for the strikers. 

Agreed. Easy to say ‘the strikers aren’t scoring’, but other than a half chance from Adams, I don’t recall us creating a clear cut chance. 
 

probably the easiest game foster will have all season. 

Edited 13 March, 2022 by Dman

[Teddeer]

32 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

The new one looks like one of those ones you win at a fete 

Isn't it the same ball for both sides?

[saintrich]

Obviously we were terrible which has no doubt been covered, so I'll raise two other points.

Really annoying leaving Adam Armstrong out who had a half decent cameo against Newcastle.

Also, why is the half time music selector man trying to troll opposition teams? so cringey. Was quite funny playing cat related songs vs West Ham as it was topical, but Newcastle we played all songs with a money theme and today all songs with a 'going down' theme, maybe save it for the end if we have won the game rather than at half time when we are playing shite. Just a bit embarrassing really. 

[Toadhall Saint]

38 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yep. We’re so easy to play against. 
 

If you come and attack us, we’ll give you a good game. Especially with players like Broja who can run in behind. And Che, Armstrong and Moi finding space in the pockets. 
 

When you sit deep and give us the ball, preventing us getting in behind, we’re really, really average. 

Most teams are - the ones that aren’t are all above us.

[Katalinic]

6 minutes ago, saintrich said:

Obviously we were terrible which has no doubt been covered, so I'll raise two other points.

Really annoying leaving Adam Armstrong out who had a half decent cameo against Newcastle.

Also, why is the half time music selector man trying to troll opposition teams? so cringey. Was quite funny playing cat related songs vs West Ham as it was topical, but Newcastle we played all songs with a money theme and today all songs with a 'going down' theme, maybe save it for the end if we have won the game rather than at half time when we are playing shite. Just a bit embarrassing really. 

I had assumed Free Falling was aimed at our own team.

[SaveloyMush]

I didn't see the game, but, from what I have read, Romeu was knackered.

There's your problem, right there.

[Indiansaintsfan]

What do we make of this… 

“With the ball we haven’t been good enough today,” he said. “Not quick enough and not precise enough and against the ball we gave away chances in a very, very easy way. Overall, not a good enough performance.

“It is not easy at the moment, you can see a lot of scenes where we had to stop and break our rhythm because somebody was lying on the ground and then it’s tough for our young team to stay patient and to stay focused and break somebody down who is defending quite well. 

“They did it quite well and that’s the reason why we lost. We haven’t played well enough today, haven’t had good decisions today and in the end not it’s not enough to break such a team down.”

In my opinion, todays game was absolute shitshow. Why we didn’t play two strikers up front is beyond me. Also, what the F**k do Southampton fc see in smallbone - the guy is a league one/championship player at best. When we’ve produced talent over the years, we know what they will be about and or what the club saw for them to make the first team - and these include player like bale, Walcott, shaw, JWP on their debuts . Smallbones has shown nothing so far over the two (or so) years he’s played for us. 
 

I don’t think we’re completely out of the relegation scrap just yet, 10 games is a long way to go, considering we’ve just lost to three oppositions whom we should have at least gotten 5/6 points from. Our final 10 fixtures include Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester - I’m not very confident we’ll get any points from these games based on our current performances. 
 

I also think, we need to spend spend spend this summer (I know that isn’t our philosophy) but we need another striker who is more consistent then Adams and Armstrong - I miss the days when we had Rickie lambert, pelle and ings (absolute beasts of strikers) - where we’d be confident that if a half chance fell to them they’d score. We could also probably do with two attacking wingers, I think our midfielders are too passive and slow (which explains why we have lots of possession but very little creativity and goals) a few years back we had mane and tadic and few years back from that we had Lallana - the attacking presence and effectiveness was beautiful. In defence we definitely need another centre back to partner Salisu - what I don’t understand is why doesn’t Ralph partner salisu with liveramento, with the back line being: kwp, livermento, salisu and perrued. 
 

 

Edited 13 March, 2022 by Indiansaintsfan

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, SaveloyMush said:

I didn't see the game, but, from what I have read, Romeu was knackered.

There's your problem, right there.

I don’t get why he was pushed into a back 3 what was the point of that then substituted ?

Ralph had a mare tried to be too clever and backfired appalling team selection that should have been changed after 20 mins why wait until half time?

Watford could have had many more just poor finishing we were abysmal everywhere because going from usual to 4-5-1 against Watford is totally bonkers!

[RedWillie]

 Totally unacceptable performance but I'm afraid entirely predictable. Woeful,  just woeful all over the pitch bar KWP. Absolute shit show 

[Toadhall Saint]

1 minute ago, Indiansaintsfan said:

What do we make of this… 

“With the ball we haven’t been good enough today,” he said. “Not quick enough and not precise enough and against the ball we gave away chances in a very, very easy way. Overall, not a good enough performance.

“It is not easy at the moment, you can see a lot of scenes where we had to stop and break our rhythm because somebody was lying on the ground and then it’s tough for our young team to stay patient and to stay focused and break somebody down who is defending quite well. 

“They did it quite well and that’s the reason why we lost. We haven’t played well enough today, haven’t had good decisions today and in the end not it’s not enough to break such a team down.”

In my opinion, todays game was absolute shitshow. Why we didn’t play two strikers up front is beyond me. Also, what the F**k do Southampton fc see in smallbone - the guy is a league one/championship player at best. When we’ve produced talent over the years, we know what they would be about bale on his debut, Walcott on his debut, shaw on his debut, JWP on his debut too. Smalld**k has shown nothing so far I’ve the two (or so) years he’s played for us. 
 

I don’t think we’re completely out of the relegation scrap just yet, 10 games is a long way to go, considering we’ve just lost to three oppositions whom we should have at least gotten 5/6 points from. Our final 10 fixtures include Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester - I’m not very confident we’ll get any points from these games based on our current performances. 
 

I also think, we need to spend spend spend this summer (I know that isn’t our philosophy) but we need another striker who is more consistent then Adams and Armstrong - I miss the days when we had Rickie lambert, pelle and ings (absolute beasts of strikers) - where we’d be confident that if a half chance fell to them they’d score. We could also probably do with two attacking wingers, I think our midfielders are too passive and slow (which explains why we have lots of possession but very little creativity and goals) a few years back we had mane and tadic and few years back from that we had Lallana - the attacking presence and effectiveness was beautiful. In defence we definitely need another centre back to partner Salisu - what I don’t understand is why doesn’t Ralph partner salisu with liveramento, with the back line being: kwp, livermento, salisu and perrued. 
 

 

Livermento and Salisu as a CB pair? Really Tino is not the answer in that position. I’d rather see Valery partner Salisu - who in my mind was one of the main problems in the first half along with a keeper that should have done better for both goals.

[Chez]

 

5 minutes ago, Indiansaintsfan said:

 Smalld**k has shown nothing so far over the two (or so) years he’s played for us. 
 

Not terribly Saintly to call you own players names. No need for it.

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Indiansaintsfan said:

what I don’t understand is why doesn’t Ralph partner salisu with liveramento

 

🤔   Probably because Livrameto is a right back. 

[Toadhall Saint]

Just now, Chez said:

🤔   Probably because Livrameto is a right back. 

And still learning the ropes there. Bonkers suggestion if you ask me.

[Dragon_man]

Dreadful performance. I thought KWP was our best player. His value must be going up as he is consistently putting in good performances.

If Timo and Moi get their shit together and perform consistently, then there's £100-£125m right there in a couple of year's time. That's success for the new owners providing we don't get relegated next season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Viking Saint]

1 hour ago, M271 said:

How can we have gone from an unstoppable well oiled machine 11 days ago to being so disjointed and not flowing now? 

This is what I don't get. The personnel hasn't changed bar Salisu's injury. We look like two completely different teams