Saints v Chelsea - no away fans

[The Kraken]

As I understand it, away tickets have not yet gone on sale to Chelsea for our home game with then on April 9th. With Chelsea not allowed to sell tickets (or much else) I guess it throws up a couple of interesting scenarios:

- Will the away end now be allocated for home use for this game? Or are they considered “sold” by the club already and we can therefore expect to see an empty away end?

- We know Chelsea can’t sell tickets, so what measures will be in place to ensure significant numbers of Chelsea fans cannot buy home tickets? There is surely a significant safety concern here.

- Assuming there is no segregation and away end gets sold as home, is there a chance of a complete sellout which could in turn mean a new record attendance?

- Again assuming home fans only, it will be interesting to see whether we do sell out, and if so how quickly we do so. It could be very useful for the stadium expansion discussion if we are able to see a real world example of just how many fans over current capacity we could get if more seats were actually available.

[Jimmy_D]

I'd imagine Saints would most likely sell the away tickets themselves to Chelsea fans, possibly co-operating with Chelsea in terms of eligibility to buy.

[Sarisbury Saint]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

I'd imagine Saints would most likely sell the away tickets themselves to Chelsea fans, possibly co-operating with Chelsea in terms of eligibility to buy.

No need to. That wouldn’t work to our advantage.

Unless of course they extend Brojas loan.

[The Kraken]

I’m not sure why we should do them a favour (I doubt they’d do the same for us) but, yes, it does seem like something Saints would do.

Having done a bit more research on this since posting, if Chelsea have already agreed to the purchase of tickets with the club, they could choose to gift them to supporters. It would mean getting zero revenue for what they’ve paid out for, of course. But would ensure they have fans at the game. They could also just choose to have an empty end, but that seems more unlikely.

[Manuel]

Would be great to have the ground full of Saints supporters.  I'm sure we could fill it with some publicity.  Agree, why should we do them any favours.

"You're not singing any more."  

I'm sure Chelsea will find away around it though.  

[Toadhall Saint]

11 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Would be great to have the ground full of Saints supporters.  I'm sure we could fill it with some publicity.  Agree, why should we do them any favours.

"You're not singing any more."  

I'm sure Chelsea will find away around it though.  

The pl could act as intermediaries ie they sell the tickets. My concern would be the attitude of said Chelsea fans? Axe to grind - you bet. Not the nicest of fans to start with.

[Whitey Grandad]

35 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Would be great to have the ground full of Saints supporters.  I'm sure we could fill it with some publicity.  Agree, why should we do them any favours.

"You're not singing any more."  

I'm sure Chelsea will find away around it though.  

"You're not signing any more."  

[Mattster]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

- We know Chelsea can’t sell tickets, so what measures will be in place to ensure significant numbers of Chelsea fans cannot buy home tickets? There is surely a significant safety concern here.

I think for this reason they will have to work something out - no doubt they will be able to find a "loophole" that allows away sales without putting money into Chelsea's coffers (how much would they get anyway for organising away ticket sales?). The last thing the police will want is an official "no away fans" policy that everyone knows will be no such thing - just away fans interspersed with home fans. Much harder to control things that way.

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Mattster said:

I think for this reason they will have to work something out - no doubt they will be able to find a "loophole" that allows away sales without putting money into Chelsea's coffers (how much would they get anyway for organising away ticket sales?). 

Simon a Jordan was on Talksport earlier saying that the away side gets ten per cent of sales. That’s not the stumbling block though, Chelsea cannot physically sell the tickets. they can potentially give them away, or they can arrange for a saints to sell on their behalf, neither of which is an ideal solution.

You’re right though, I see it as a massive safety concern if there’s no away end.

[Turkish]

Great chance to see what the northam would be like as a kop end

[JRM]

3 hours ago, Jimmy_D said:

I'd imagine Saints would most likely sell the away tickets themselves to Chelsea fans, possibly co-operating with Chelsea in terms of eligibility to buy.

I'm sure that's happened before, when Pompey were going into administration I don't think they were trusted to sell tickets on behalf of other clubs so their fans had to buy direct from the home club so money never touched the skates bank account, I'm sure something similar could be done. 

[JRM]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Simon a Jordan was on Talksport earlier saying that the away side gets ten per cent of sales. That’s not the stumbling block though, Chelsea cannot physically sell the tickets. they can potentially give them away, or they can arrange for a saints to sell on their behalf, neither of which is an ideal solution.

You’re right though, I see it as a massive safety concern if there’s no away end.

Saints have changed Chelsea at home to purchase history only, probably know loads will be looking to buy in the home end if not able to have an away allocation 

[The Kraken]

Just now, JRM said:

Saints have changed Chelsea at home to purchase history only, probably know loads will be looking to buy in the home end if not able to have an away allocation 

Cheers, that’s good.  There’s still ways around it of course but at least there’s a modicum of preventative measures.

The more I think about it, the more I think there’s no way there won’t be away fans. The Premier league wont want their product devalued, and it’s guaranteed money for saints. 

[Noodles34]

6 hours ago, Manuel said:

Would be great to have the ground full of Saints supporters.  I'm sure we could fill it with some publicity.  Agree, why should we do them any favours.

"You're not singing any more."  

I'm sure Chelsea will find away around it though.  

Seriously, great to have no away fans, really? I guess it’s great to finish 8th and not qualify for Europe in case it hampers our mid table finish the following season. I guess it would be great to sing ‘you’re not singing anymore’ to empty seats. I guess it would be great to go back to the covid home only games, I mean that was great.  Maybe it would be great if we didn’t have relegation. Maybe it would be great if we had Ted Lasso in charge. I tell you what would be great, charging points for your phone on the seats, that would be great. And an app that delivers popcorn or a pick and mix straight to you. It would be great  to see the Mexican Wave back again. 
modern football, fucking great. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

8 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

Seriously, great to have no away fans, really? I guess it’s great to finish 8th and not qualify for Europe in case it hampers our mid table finish the following season. I guess it would be great to sing ‘you’re not singing anymore’ to empty seats. I guess it would be great to go back to the covid home only games, I mean that was great.  Maybe it would be great if we didn’t have relegation. Maybe it would be great if we had Ted Lasso in charge. I tell you what would be great, charging points for your phone on the seats, that would be great. And an app that delivers popcorn or a pick and mix straight to you. It would be great  to see the Mexican Wave back again. 
modern football, fucking great. 

If I have read your thread correctly there is an element of sympathy for Chelsea and the predicament they are in which is not of the manager, team or supporters making. Who could have imagined this scenario? How many clubs have foreign owners who may find themselves in a similar position to Abramovich? I was brought up with a football mad Dad who showed me the camaraderie that existed between supporters back in the day. There would be plenty of banter but you could almost feel the underlying thread of the love and respect for the game that bound all supporters, irrespective of which team they followed. Modern football has changed that. Too many nowadays are delighted to see another team come unstuck. There will be those who will delight in the huge problems that face Chelsea as there will be those who hope Everton are hit with the points deduction that will likely send them down. Wasn't quite so funny when it happened to us, was it?

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

If I have read your thread correctly there is an element of sympathy for Chelsea and the predicament they are in which is not of the manager, team or supporters making. Who could have imagined this scenario? How many clubs have foreign owners who may find themselves in a similar position to Abramovich? I was brought up with a football mad Dad who showed me the camaraderie that existed between supporters back in the day. There would be plenty of banter but you could almost feel the underlying thread of the love and respect for the game that bound all supporters, irrespective of which team they followed. Modern football has changed that. Too many nowadays are delighted to see another team come unstuck. There will be those who will delight in the huge problems that face Chelsea as there will be those who hope Everton are hit with the points deduction that will likely send them down. Wasn't quite so funny when it happened to us, was it?

I have no sympathy for these clubs that buy their success and then flaunt their new-found wealth in our faces.

Sure, we got relegated. Why shouldn’t it happen to them?

[Sarnia Cherie]

20 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I have no sympathy for these clubs that buy their success and then flaunt their new-found wealth in our faces.

Sure, we got relegated. Why shouldn’t it happen to them?

QED.

[Noodles34]

1 hour ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

If I have read your thread correctly there is an element of sympathy for Chelsea and the predicament they are in which is not of the manager, team or supporters making. Who could have imagined this scenario? How many clubs have foreign owners who may find themselves in a similar position to Abramovich? I was brought up with a football mad Dad who showed me the camaraderie that existed between supporters back in the day. There would be plenty of banter but you could almost feel the underlying thread of the love and respect for the game that bound all supporters, irrespective of which team they followed. Modern football has changed that. Too many nowadays are delighted to see another team come unstuck. There will be those who will delight in the huge problems that face Chelsea as there will be those who hope Everton are hit with the points deduction that will likely send them down. Wasn't quite so funny when it happened to us, was it?

It's not so much empathy for the club, but football is about home and away, banter, even ferocity of course. I really don't want our game to turn into something like it is on the other side of the pond, which is what the OP is suggesting.  

[Alan Sugarfree]

Is it confirmed they’ll have no fans allowed to travel? The home club gets all the revenue anyway I thought so Chelsea aren’t selling/profiting from the sale of tickets. Away fans at Stamford Bridge is another matter though….

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

QED.

Sed quid est demonstrandum?

[Sarnia Cherie]

1 hour ago, Noodles34 said:

It's not so much empathy for the club, but football is about home and away, banter, even ferocity of course. I really don't want our game to turn into something like it is on the other side of the pond, which is what the OP is suggesting.  

I did wonder who Ted Lasso was. 😂

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

Is it confirmed they’ll have no fans allowed to travel? The home club gets all the revenue anyway I thought so Chelsea aren’t selling/profiting from the sale of tickets. Away fans at Stamford Bridge is another matter though….

No, nothing is confirmed yet. It won’t affect too much on Chelsea’s upcoming away games as tickets have already been sold, and they’ll be honoured. They can’t just sell any more from this point. According to Simon Jordan yesterday, the away side get 10% of ticket costs, so not quite nothing but certainly not a large sum at all, somewhere around £10k depending on ticket price.

Chelsea’s Saints away tickets had not gone on sale to fans, so I guess the situation is fluid and there could be a few options available. I think for the very fact that policing a home only game could be a logistical nightmare, there will be some form of compromise to allow away fans to get tickets.

[Toadhall Saint]

Was there a time at the dell when Chelsea fans were banned - 80’s I think. If I’m right more Chelsea fans turned up than what would normally attend and three was chaos everywhere. Or am I dreaming?

[The Kraken]

7 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Was there a time at the dell when Chelsea fans were banned - 80’s I think. If I’m right more Chelsea fans turned up than what would normally attend and three was chaos everywhere. Or am I dreaming?

I remember that they ransacked the school next door (Springhill?) and went on the rampage against all and sundry.

[Toadhall Saint]

4 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I remember that they ransacked the school next door (Springhill?) and went on the rampage against all and sundry.

Yep all kinds of trouble - Milton road, hill lane etc. they managed to get tickets and were all over the place inside the ground. Glad I wasn’t dreaming.

[Badger]

26 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Was there a time at the dell when Chelsea fans were banned - 80’s I think. If I’m right more Chelsea fans turned up than what would normally attend and three was chaos everywhere. Or am I dreaming?

I recall the home game against them where the fans were banned, mid 80's. The tickets that would have gone to Chelsea were given free to local schools. Made for a strange atmosphere in that whenever the ball went towards the Archers Road End where they were situated there was a wailing of high pitched voices rather like watching the England Schooboys international on World of Sport.

The banning though was probably the result of the incidents you and Kraken describe the season before. I don't recall them coming down for the match they were banned. 

Certainly a lot of trouble against Chelsea in 1983 I think (after they were first promoted) and in the Cup 1981. 

[Saint Garrett]

Given how easy it is to get in the home end at St Mary's, there would almost certainly be Chelsea fans there, whether there is an away end or not. Personally I think the league and government will find a way around it, and they'll work out a way of selling tickets, and spending money, without it going to RA.

[The Fat Controller]

On 10/03/2022 at 16:02, The Kraken said:

As I understand it, away tickets have not yet gone on sale to Chelsea for our home game with then on April 9th. With Chelsea not allowed to sell tickets (or much else) I guess it throws up a couple of interesting scenarios:

- Will the away end now be allocated for home use for this game? Or are they considered “sold” by the club already and we can therefore expect to see an empty away end?

- We know Chelsea can’t sell tickets, so what measures will be in place to ensure significant numbers of Chelsea fans cannot buy home tickets? There is surely a significant safety concern here.

- Assuming there is no segregation and away end gets sold as home, is there a chance of a complete sellout which could in turn mean a new record attendance?

- Again assuming home fans only, it will be interesting to see whether we do sell out, and if so how quickly we do so. It could be very useful for the stadium expansion discussion if we are able to see a real world example of just how many fans over current capacity we could get if more seats were actually available.

Saints could sell direct to Chelsea fans and keep the money?

 

[steve green]

After reading the Chelsea forum over the last few days they can fcuk off.

Apart from a few sensible posts (which get jumped on) the theme is one of who cares if our Russian owner is a criminal thug, look at our shiny trophies. Self entitlement taken to an obscene level.

 

We know they'll be some in the home seats anyway, always happens. Don't fancy being a steward for this one.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, The Fat Controller said:

Saints could sell direct to Chelsea fans and keep the money?

 

Then we wouldn’t be able to control who gets a ticket. Are there still regulations in place over such matters?

[JRM]

Chelsea have Middlesbrough away in the FA Cup next week, tickets were due to go on sale but that has been paused for now, will be interesting to see what gets arranged for that as will set a precedent. 

Difference for us is loads of Chelsea live in Surrey / Hampshire so a trip to St Mary's to sit in the home end would be quite easy for them, in fact they'd probably make a point of doing it in protest in how they've been treated if it comes to that. 

[Turkish]

22 hours ago, The Kraken said:

I remember that they ransacked the school next door (Springhill?) and went on the rampage against all and sundry.

Funny how history distorts the truth.they they smashed the school up trying to break into it as way the hide from the vicious saints mob that had battered them all around the city that day. Windows in shops put through as Hicky and his headhunters with fear tried any means possible to escape the saints mob. You have to give Chelsea credit though as despite being terrorised that day and took a beating so bad I’m told Hickmont their leader at the time decided shortly after to hang up his pringle jumper and move to Thailand they were one of the few mobs to try it on at the Dell in any large numbers in the mid 80s. Coming to the dell at that time was basically a suicide mission 
 

Edited 12 March, 2022 by Turkish

[Eric The Red]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Then we wouldn’t be able to control who gets a ticket. Are there still regulations in place over such matters?

Surely we could sell away fan tickets using the same criteria Chelsea Fc would have used, e.g. ST holders members etc etc. Things could be arranged like setting up an online form, or even checking applicants with Chelsea before we issue the tickets. A question of whether Saints and/or Chelsea want to pull their finger out. One further thought perhaps we could also reduce the allocation to the 'medium', i.e. as per Newcastle, at the same time as 'helping Chelsea fans out'.

[whelk]

23 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Given how easy it is to get in the home end at St Mary's, there would almost certainly be Chelsea fans there, whether there is an away end or not. Personally I think the league and government will find a way around it, and they'll work out a way of selling tickets, and spending money, without it going to RA.

They will be easy to spot fat bald Phil Mitchell lookalikes probably wearing Ben Sherman

[alehouseboys]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

They will be easy to spot fat bald Phil Mitchell lookalikes probably wearing Ben Sherman

Could get confusing, that'll be me and my mates then...go easy on us, we're not as young as we used to be 😏

[rooney]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

They will be easy to spot fat bald Phil Mitchell lookalikes probably wearing Ben Sherman

And bracelets earrings and tattoos

[Dragon_man]

Be great for whoever gets Chelsea in the FA cup semi-final at Wembley 🤣

[JRM]

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2022/03/14/important-ticketing-update-for-upcoming-chelsea-matches

 

Southampton (a) – Saturday 9 April

Supporters on the UK away scheme will have their tickets sent in due course. For the remainder of our allocation, we await further updates from the Government on whether we will be able to sell tickets or not.

Supporters who do not have tickets for matches should not attend our stadiums

[Alan Sugarfree]

Just thinking about it, Chelsea have away season tickets if I remember correctly from a Chelsea supporting mate who had one years ago and went everywhere. If they’ve still got that system then just like their home games the tickets will have to be honoured.

[spyinthesky]

Has anyone watched the BBC programme on Abramovich tonight?

Just confirmed that he was as dodgy as most of us thought and scammed the Russian public in cahoots with Yeltsin and Putin.

There is also credible evidence that he conspired with Putin and others to 'persuade' Blatter to give Russia the 2018 World Cup and then lose the background details which supposedly was lost when hired computers were returned to their owners!!!

[HnycS]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

Has anyone watched the BBC programme on Abramovich tonight?

Just confirmed that he was as dodgy as most of us thought and scammed the Russian public in cahoots with Yeltsin and Putin.

There is also credible evidence that he conspired with Putin and others to 'persuade' Blatter to give Russia the 2018 World Cup and then lose the background details which supposedly was lost when hired computers were returned to their owners!!!

Someone uploaded to youtube already, expect the beeb will get it taken down soon, shame really because quite apart from impact to Chelsea and indeed UK deserves to be seen globally.

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

Just thinking about it, Chelsea have away season tickets if I remember correctly from a Chelsea supporting mate who had one years ago and went everywhere. If they’ve still got that system then just like their home games the tickets will have to be honoured.

Do such away season tickets include Cup games, do we know?

[macca155]

Away fans are part of the fun/agony of going to a football match. Be boring without them. Some of my best and worst experiences have been at away games. Spurs was epic, as much as Rochdale was the lowest point ever.

Yes some are arrogant idiots but the sheer, joy  surprise, shock, relief of the Watford fans on Sunday was quite funny even if it was at our expense. When they started the 'we've got the ball' chant on 10 minutes things were looking bad.

We've all been there!

The club just needs to sell the tickets to Chelsea fans from their club's register .... and keep the money 💰 

They can then go bust and we can laugh. There fans need to suffer for living beyond their means for so many years, but they've got the right to watch it.

[Mr Saints]

13 hours ago, Alan Sugarfree said:

Just thinking about it, Chelsea have away season tickets if I remember correctly from a Chelsea supporting mate who had one years ago and went everywhere. If they’ve still got that system then just like their home games the tickets will have to be honoured.

Yeah they still do away season tickets at Chelsea so there will be some away fans at St Mary's.

[once_bitterne]

7 minutes ago, macca155 said:

 

They can then go bust and we can laugh. There fans need to suffer for living beyond their means for so many years, but they've got the right to watch it.

PL clubs need to live within their means?  🤣

Edited 15 March, 2022 by once_bitterne

[100%Red&White]

1 hour ago, Mr Saints said:

Yeah they still do away season tickets at Chelsea so there will be some away fans at St Mary's.

I'd imagine that's just a priority thing, Chelsea would still need to buy the away tickets from the home club and then allocate them to those signed up. And they can't but anything right now. It will probably end up with us and everyone else selling directly to Chelsea fans - but with a hefty service charge to cover the inconvenience.

[whelk]

Questioning sporting integrity as cannot sell tickets for Boro game and want the games behind closed doors. Yeah fuck off you had the dodgy owner now suck it up 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Questioning sporting integrity as cannot sell tickets for Boro game and want the games behind closed doors. Yeah fuck off you had the dodgy owner now suck it up 

They weren't complaining about sporting integrity when they were blowing teams out of the water with their dodgy money.

[AlexLaw76]

Once Chelsea are sold, and we all feel good about yourselves for getting angry about it, I guess all will be well.  Newcastle will get off without much comment as we need the energy from the part of the world their owners are from.  

Thank god we do not have that weird Chinese owner anymore, as sooner or later the exact same focus will switch to that part of the world.

Edited 15 March, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

They weren't complaining about sporting integrity when they were blowing teams out of the water with their dodgy money.

Just listening to Simon Jordan (who is buddies with Steve Gibson).  

A text from the Boro owner - Sporting integrity and Chelsea is not something that goes together.