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Chez

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7 minutes ago, OldNick said:

and of course we will be on Motd first.....Not that I will be watching anyway

likewise. I can never watch MOTD if we lose.

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stknowle

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First time I’ve not watched us live or on TV or stream for months. Looks like I picked a good ‘un to miss. UTS

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

As bad as we have been defensively today, its also quite a feat of our usually good forward players to get shut out by a defence consisting of Mings, Chambers, Cash and Young 💩

Agreed. Didn't do nearly enough going forward. Guess the tactics of Villa never allowed that do happen

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Bag of old balls. But didn’t think we’d get anything. Need to be right back on it against Newcastle. Kwp to start please. Will Salisu still be out?

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trousers

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So, is that just a blip or the start of a sustained drop in form? Time will tell. 

P.s. we need Salisu back sharpish!

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Teddeer

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One shot on target is way below what I expected for this game. They've bossed us all over the park.

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CylonKing

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Absolutely woeful, glad tickets didn't reach general sale as would've gone.

Very disappointing after the great recent run. Oh well, onto the next game.

Teddeer

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1 minute ago, trousers said:

So, is that just a blip or the start of a sustained drop in form? Time will tell. 

Salisu is a big miss for us. Hope he's back soon.

Saints foreva

Saints foreva

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FT. Our worst performance of the season, it was far too easy for Villa. Hopefully we put this right on Thursday and show that it was just a bad day at the office and not the start of a poor run of form. 

In the summer, we really need to be signing an upgrade on Bednarek and pray we don't lose Salisu. Bednarek has been largely shite since that Utd 9-0 and is a 3rd choice CB at best. Unfortunately I think losing Salisu is the more likely scenario there due to the length of his contract.

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Chez

Chez

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1 minute ago, Croissaint said:

Tired? Complacent? Stevie g actually pretty good with a massive budget?

they didn't give any room in the first half, while we didn't reciprocate. Can't fault their tactics and application. Some good quality in the final third from them, but we were all over the place. Maybe their extra body in midfield killed us. Our two up front didn't do much. Adams was very very average. Stephens and Bednerek just ain't top class. We now that, but we left them exposed and their weaknesses showed.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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We didn't have many chances, and Forster stopped a couple of through balls for Villa, but over all...oh wait... we'd already conceded 4 by the time I got in to watch. So, not much I can learn from that. We kept working a defence with old Saints Mings and Chambers in it, without getting the chances you'd expect. Even after it looked as though they'd taken their foot off it a little. 

I'll need to read back and see the highlights to get an idea if was Ralph's system getting sussed out, or a bad day for errors, or even if it was Stevie G phoning up Ross Wilson at Ibrox to get all our secrets.

Saints losing the moment safety looks remotely certain doesn;t seem that unusual an even either.

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VectisSaint

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Completely out played in midfield, where we are usually so strong, JWP and Romeu really could not get a look in, and Villa were very strong there. Bit of a reality check, nothing really went right, our passing was off, we lacked energy, our interceptions didn't work. To be frank I think Gerrard with Coutinho just outthought Ralph today, but so many of our dependable players just were not at the races. Put that down to experience, draw a line and go again and  (though it grates) credit to Villa. 

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Micky

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Going to put that down more to a bad day at the office. The two quick goals in the second half totally killed us.   But to their credit we did still try to play and to compete,  at 4 nil it could've got really bad as there was a lot of time left. Gonna just forget this one and move on. 

Jimmy_D

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Run was going to come to an end at some point, and it’s been a bloody good run.

Didn’t think it’d be today though, and certainly not like that.

Ah well, time to dig out Adkins’ pen and put a line under it.

Teddeer

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Just now, Chez said:

they didn't give any room in the first half, while we didn't reciprocate. Can't fault their tactics and application. Some good quality in the final third from them, but we were all over the place. Maybe their extra body in midfield killed us. Our two up front didn't do much. Adams was very very average. Stephens and Bednerek just ain't top class. We now that, but we left them exposed and their weaknesses showed.

Something seriously wrong with us today if we allow them to create a bucket load of chances yet, at the same time, we give their defence little to worry about. That is a major concern.

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Roo1976

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Bang .......................back down to reality and a bad day at the office. We looked so flat.Broja needs to stop acting like a spoiled  brat, cant score with every touch. Hope this isnt the future just a blip.

redkeith

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Stopped watching after the 4th goal. Ralph should have moved Romeu back after about 20 minutes, not wait until half time to change it . 

Never coped with Villa's shape.  Also it seemed like Forster was the only one to put in a perfomance. 

Tino was shocking. 

 

Need Salisu back on Thursday, and need to have a plan to deal with a  midfield diamond, as everyone will try it against us now. 

If anyone at the club is reading it, there is a chapter in Inverting the Pyramid on how to do this, look it up.  

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ecurnew02

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All around just not good enough. Didn’t help that Villa were clinical today. Only bright side from today was Brighton and Wolves lost 

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Chez

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4 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

Bang .......................back down to reality and a bad day at the office. We looked so flat.Broja needs to stop acting like a spoiled  brat, cant score with every touch. Hope this isnt the future just a blip.

Not sure why you have chosen to criticise Broja specifically? Was it his feigning injury, cos that was embarrassing. However Adams was shit. Did absolutely fuck all that was good or useful.

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Teddeer

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6 minutes ago, Chez said:

we are a mid table side. 

So are they so why the 4-0 thumping? Their back four didn't look great on paper yet we couldn't cause them problems. Bad as we were defensively we needed to be pushing them back and creating a bit of panic in their ranks but weren't good enough today. Hopefully it's a one off after so many good performances but we'll find out on Thursday I guess.

S-Clarke

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That was horrible viewing, but we were kind of overdue that really. I had a funny feeling about today, I just felt they'd have way too much for us in the number 10 roles and so it proved. Couldn't handle the movement of Coutinho at all, the CM's and CB's were getting pulled all over the midlands. Watkins and Ings were very sharp as well.

It did show up a couple of areas in our squad we need to evolve if we really want to challenge the Villas/Wolves etc - better CB without doubt, we can't really go on with one top 10 centre back (Salisu). Better number 10 with pace as well, we really lack that. As good as Elyonoussi and Armstrong have been, we do lack pace when they play.

One of them days, always going to happen for a mid-table side. Hope we can still finish top 10, that's got to be our aim.

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Sunglasses Ron

Sunglasses Ron

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Trying not to sound like an arsehole here, but any thinking that the whole “we’re with Ukraine” thing might have had an impact on our mindset today.

Don’t get me wrong, a most noble gesture, just fascinated by how different factors can affect how games turn out.

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Chez

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11 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

So are they so why the 4-0 thumping? Their back four didn't look great on paper yet we couldn't cause them problems. Bad as we were defensively we needed to be pushing them back and creating a bit of panic in their ranks but weren't good enough today. Hopefully it's a one off after so many good performances but we'll find out on Thursday I guess.

we're not as good as we'd like to think we are. We often get a little lucky, get away with things, but that is all forgotten if they don't score and we go on to win. Today we didn't get away with things, they scored and we lost. This is why it pays for the management to be critical, look for ways to improve, even when you win. Stephens and Bednerek were rubbish, as was Adams and Eli. No idea why KWP didn't start. Salisu is a big loss. Tactically, Villa we spot on. The pressed, we crumbled. We changed tactics, going to three centre backs. I hate three CBs, because players don't know how to play it. Too many bodies filling space, and that what happened - with no one actually marking anyone for Ings goal. We weren't terrible. Just weren't as good as we have been.

 

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maysie

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Hasenhuttl: "We had problems at the back and we changed to five and we still conceded two silly goals. Everything went wrong today. We thought we could play pretty football and that simply isn't enough in the Premier League." [MoTD] 

#SaintsFC

Ralph Hasenhuttl: “We missed sali [Salisu] today. We struggled massively today without him.”

 

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stknowle

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Didn’t watch, don’t know anything about the goals but was worried at the sight of the return of the Bedders Stephens CB combo. Either ok with a strong senior partner but weak as piss as a pair. Was this the key problem today?

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woodsaint1

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With some of the players Villa have, they're very capable of a performance like that. Also we've all got caught up in our recent run of good form to remember that we're still capable of a non-performance like that. It just happened that both situations aligned on the same afternoon.

Will all be forgotten about if we go and beat them toon w***ers next week

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OttawaSaint

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11 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

Trying not to sound like an arsehole here, but any thinking that the whole “we’re with Ukraine” thing might have had an impact on our mindset today.

Don’t get me wrong, a most noble gesture, just fascinated by how different factors can affect how games turn out.

Virtue signaling at its finest. 

Society rushing to get yellow and blue on their social media to that they can once again relax safe in the knowledge that they are with Ukraine and don't have to do anything else. 

Here, we have multi-billion dollar corporations donning the yellow and blue to say, "please think that we care, give us more money" meanwhile not donating a single cent to humanitarian aid. 

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Teddeer

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Just now, maysie said:

Hasenhuttl: "We had problems at the back and we changed to five and we still conceded two silly goals. Everything went wrong today. We thought we could play pretty football and that simply isn't enough in the Premier League." [MoTD] 

#SaintsFC

Was Ralph not watching? - we didn't play pretty football and that was the problem. Pretty football along with a high energy press has moved us up the table but today we reverted to looking like a side who aren't drilled to play good football. That's what shocked and concerned me most. It wasn't a tight game and narrow defeat in which we gave as good as we got, it was completely one sided.

OttawaSaint

OttawaSaint

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4 minutes ago, maysie said:

Hasenhuttl: "We had problems at the back and we changed to five and we still conceded two silly goals. Everything went wrong today. We thought we could play pretty football and that simply isn't enough in the Premier League." [MoTD] 

#SaintsFC

Ralph Hasenhuttl: “We missed sali [Salisu] today. We struggled massively today without him.”

 

So his take is a mix of "bad day at the office" and "thought we'd stroll to a win" complacency.

maysie

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6 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

Was Ralph not watching? - we didn't play pretty football and that was the problem. Pretty football along with a high energy press has moved us up the table but today we reverted to looking like a side who aren't drilled to play good football. That's what shocked and concerned me most. It wasn't a tight game and narrow defeat in which we gave as good as we got, it was completely one sided.

Think you are overacting a bit buddy. I read it as he meant we were complacent and just thought we could pass it around

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Sheaf Saint

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22 minutes ago, Chez said:

Adams was shit. Did absolutely fuck all that was good or useful.

You mean apart from having our only shot on target that forced a good save from Martinez? 

S-Clarke

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4 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

Was Ralph not watching? - we didn't play pretty football and that was the problem. Pretty football along with a high energy press has moved us up the table but today we reverted to looking like a side who aren't drilled to play good football. That's what shocked and concerned me most. It wasn't a tight game and narrow defeat in which we gave as good as we got, it was completely one sided.

We started the game that way, playing triangles and pushing up high...but we were getting caught, Coutinho was sat in the pocket and they kept catching us out. We didn't have the recovery pace or the reading of the game from Salisu and it made a huge difference.

When we play how we play these results will happen, you will get picked off if a team beat the press well enough and have a clever player in the hole. That's what happened today really. We were probably a little too gung-ho (complacent?) against the quality we were up against, as Villa's attacking talent is as good as anyone outside the top 5 or 6.

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Teddeer

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1 minute ago, maysie said:

Think you are overacting a bit buddy. I read it has he meant we were complacent and just thought we could pass it around

Maybe.

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