Maggie May Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 I fear Gerrard is going to be a manager we never beat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 7 minutes ago, OldNick said: and of course we will be on Motd first.....Not that I will be watching anyway likewise. I can never watch MOTD if we lose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) First time I’ve not watched us live or on TV or stream for months. Looks like I picked a good ‘un to miss. UTS Edited 5 March, 2022 by stknowle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croissaint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Tired? Complacent? Stevie g actually pretty good with a massive budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: As bad as we have been defensively today, its also quite a feat of our usually good forward players to get shut out by a defence consisting of Mings, Chambers, Cash and Young 💩 Agreed. Didn't do nearly enough going forward. Guess the tactics of Villa never allowed that do happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Bag of old balls. But didn’t think we’d get anything. Need to be right back on it against Newcastle. Kwp to start please. Will Salisu still be out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) So, is that just a blip or the start of a sustained drop in form? Time will tell. P.s. we need Salisu back sharpish! Edited 5 March, 2022 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) One shot on target is way below what I expected for this game. They've bossed us all over the park. Edited 5 March, 2022 by Teddeer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CylonKing Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Absolutely woeful, glad tickets didn't reach general sale as would've gone. Very disappointing after the great recent run. Oh well, onto the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 We looked knackered today. Bad day at the office, draw a line under it and move on. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 TF that's over. Bad day at the office. Up the game on Thursday please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Villa didn't have to break into a sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 1 minute ago, trousers said: So, is that just a blip or the start of a sustained drop in form? Time will tell. Salisu is a big miss for us. Hope he's back soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 FT. Our worst performance of the season, it was far too easy for Villa. Hopefully we put this right on Thursday and show that it was just a bad day at the office and not the start of a poor run of form. In the summer, we really need to be signing an upgrade on Bednarek and pray we don't lose Salisu. Bednarek has been largely shite since that Utd 9-0 and is a 3rd choice CB at best. Unfortunately I think losing Salisu is the more likely scenario there due to the length of his contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Newcastle will be really tough. They're a different team now. Hope we can avoid a double hit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Two ways to look at it : a) Ralph out ! b) One of those days ! im going for b) 🙀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) Oops. I certainly didn’t expect that Deal with it and move on. I’ve moved on. Edited 5 March, 2022 by Whitey Grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Oh well. I've already forgotten it, on to the next one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 1 minute ago, Croissaint said: Tired? Complacent? Stevie g actually pretty good with a massive budget? they didn't give any room in the first half, while we didn't reciprocate. Can't fault their tactics and application. Some good quality in the final third from them, but we were all over the place. Maybe their extra body in midfield killed us. Our two up front didn't do much. Adams was very very average. Stephens and Bednerek just ain't top class. We now that, but we left them exposed and their weaknesses showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 They might want to take the scarves away from the fans that went lest they do something drastic with them... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 We didn't have many chances, and Forster stopped a couple of through balls for Villa, but over all...oh wait... we'd already conceded 4 by the time I got in to watch. So, not much I can learn from that. We kept working a defence with old Saints Mings and Chambers in it, without getting the chances you'd expect. Even after it looked as though they'd taken their foot off it a little. I'll need to read back and see the highlights to get an idea if was Ralph's system getting sussed out, or a bad day for errors, or even if it was Stevie G phoning up Ross Wilson at Ibrox to get all our secrets. Saints losing the moment safety looks remotely certain doesn;t seem that unusual an even either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Completely out played in midfield, where we are usually so strong, JWP and Romeu really could not get a look in, and Villa were very strong there. Bit of a reality check, nothing really went right, our passing was off, we lacked energy, our interceptions didn't work. To be frank I think Gerrard with Coutinho just outthought Ralph today, but so many of our dependable players just were not at the races. Put that down to experience, draw a line and go again and (though it grates) credit to Villa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 A crushing defeat was well overdue. We've had a great run, but as painful as it is to say, Villa are a few levels above us 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Going to put that down more to a bad day at the office. The two quick goals in the second half totally killed us. But to their credit we did still try to play and to compete, at 4 nil it could've got really bad as there was a lot of time left. Gonna just forget this one and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Run was going to come to an end at some point, and it’s been a bloody good run. Didn’t think it’d be today though, and certainly not like that. Ah well, time to dig out Adkins’ pen and put a line under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Just now, Chez said: they didn't give any room in the first half, while we didn't reciprocate. Can't fault their tactics and application. Some good quality in the final third from them, but we were all over the place. Maybe their extra body in midfield killed us. Our two up front didn't do much. Adams was very very average. Stephens and Bednerek just ain't top class. We now that, but we left them exposed and their weaknesses showed. Something seriously wrong with us today if we allow them to create a bucket load of chances yet, at the same time, we give their defence little to worry about. That is a major concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Bang .......................back down to reality and a bad day at the office. We looked so flat.Broja needs to stop acting like a spoiled brat, cant score with every touch. Hope this isnt the future just a blip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Fewlt a game too far Most annoying thing was gifting Ings a goal. Hopefully Salisu is back quickly & saints can rebound well from this set back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Stopped watching after the 4th goal. Ralph should have moved Romeu back after about 20 minutes, not wait until half time to change it . Never coped with Villa's shape. Also it seemed like Forster was the only one to put in a perfomance. Tino was shocking. Need Salisu back on Thursday, and need to have a plan to deal with a midfield diamond, as everyone will try it against us now. If anyone at the club is reading it, there is a chapter in Inverting the Pyramid on how to do this, look it up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Just a bad day at the office. We move on to the next game next Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 I'd rather lose 4-0 when we are this high up the table 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Weird one really - didn’t get the rub of the green but hey ho. Thought we looked better second half but got her early with 2 quick goals that killed us. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 we are a mid table side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecurnew02 Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) All around just not good enough. Didn’t help that Villa were clinical today. Only bright side from today was Brighton and Wolves lost Edited 5 March, 2022 by ecurnew02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 4 minutes ago, Roo1976 said: Bang .......................back down to reality and a bad day at the office. We looked so flat.Broja needs to stop acting like a spoiled brat, cant score with every touch. Hope this isnt the future just a blip. Not sure why you have chosen to criticise Broja specifically? Was it his feigning injury, cos that was embarrassing. However Adams was shit. Did absolutely fuck all that was good or useful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chez said: we are a mid table side. So are they so why the 4-0 thumping? Their back four didn't look great on paper yet we couldn't cause them problems. Bad as we were defensively we needed to be pushing them back and creating a bit of panic in their ranks but weren't good enough today. Hopefully it's a one off after so many good performances but we'll find out on Thursday I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 That was horrible viewing, but we were kind of overdue that really. I had a funny feeling about today, I just felt they'd have way too much for us in the number 10 roles and so it proved. Couldn't handle the movement of Coutinho at all, the CM's and CB's were getting pulled all over the midlands. Watkins and Ings were very sharp as well. It did show up a couple of areas in our squad we need to evolve if we really want to challenge the Villas/Wolves etc - better CB without doubt, we can't really go on with one top 10 centre back (Salisu). Better number 10 with pace as well, we really lack that. As good as Elyonoussi and Armstrong have been, we do lack pace when they play. One of them days, always going to happen for a mid-table side. Hope we can still finish top 10, that's got to be our aim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Trying not to sound like an arsehole here, but any thinking that the whole “we’re with Ukraine” thing might have had an impact on our mindset today. Don’t get me wrong, a most noble gesture, just fascinated by how different factors can affect how games turn out. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 We didn't turn up and were outplayed. We're a mid-lower table team on a good run, it's going to happen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Teddeer said: So are they so why the 4-0 thumping? Their back four didn't look great on paper yet we couldn't cause them problems. Bad as we were defensively we needed to be pushing them back and creating a bit of panic in their ranks but weren't good enough today. Hopefully it's a one off after so many good performances but we'll find out on Thursday I guess. we're not as good as we'd like to think we are. We often get a little lucky, get away with things, but that is all forgotten if they don't score and we go on to win. Today we didn't get away with things, they scored and we lost. This is why it pays for the management to be critical, look for ways to improve, even when you win. Stephens and Bednerek were rubbish, as was Adams and Eli. No idea why KWP didn't start. Salisu is a big loss. Tactically, Villa we spot on. The pressed, we crumbled. We changed tactics, going to three centre backs. I hate three CBs, because players don't know how to play it. Too many bodies filling space, and that what happened - with no one actually marking anyone for Ings goal. We weren't terrible. Just weren't as good as we have been. Edited 5 March, 2022 by Chez 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) Hasenhuttl: "We had problems at the back and we changed to five and we still conceded two silly goals. Everything went wrong today. We thought we could play pretty football and that simply isn't enough in the Premier League." [MoTD] #SaintsFC Ralph Hasenhuttl: “We missed sali [Salisu] today. We struggled massively today without him.” Edited 5 March, 2022 by maysie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) Didn’t watch, don’t know anything about the goals but was worried at the sight of the return of the Bedders Stephens CB combo. Either ok with a strong senior partner but weak as piss as a pair. Was this the key problem today? Edited 5 March, 2022 by stknowle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 With some of the players Villa have, they're very capable of a performance like that. Also we've all got caught up in our recent run of good form to remember that we're still capable of a non-performance like that. It just happened that both situations aligned on the same afternoon. Will all be forgotten about if we go and beat them toon w***ers next week 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said: Trying not to sound like an arsehole here, but any thinking that the whole “we’re with Ukraine” thing might have had an impact on our mindset today. Don’t get me wrong, a most noble gesture, just fascinated by how different factors can affect how games turn out. Virtue signaling at its finest. Society rushing to get yellow and blue on their social media to that they can once again relax safe in the knowledge that they are with Ukraine and don't have to do anything else. Here, we have multi-billion dollar corporations donning the yellow and blue to say, "please think that we care, give us more money" meanwhile not donating a single cent to humanitarian aid. Edited 5 March, 2022 by OttawaSaint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 Just now, maysie said: Hasenhuttl: "We had problems at the back and we changed to five and we still conceded two silly goals. Everything went wrong today. We thought we could play pretty football and that simply isn't enough in the Premier League." [MoTD] #SaintsFC Was Ralph not watching? - we didn't play pretty football and that was the problem. Pretty football along with a high energy press has moved us up the table but today we reverted to looking like a side who aren't drilled to play good football. That's what shocked and concerned me most. It wasn't a tight game and narrow defeat in which we gave as good as we got, it was completely one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 4 minutes ago, maysie said: Hasenhuttl: "We had problems at the back and we changed to five and we still conceded two silly goals. Everything went wrong today. We thought we could play pretty football and that simply isn't enough in the Premier League." [MoTD] #SaintsFC Ralph Hasenhuttl: “We missed sali [Salisu] today. We struggled massively today without him.” So his take is a mix of "bad day at the office" and "thought we'd stroll to a win" complacency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Teddeer said: Was Ralph not watching? - we didn't play pretty football and that was the problem. Pretty football along with a high energy press has moved us up the table but today we reverted to looking like a side who aren't drilled to play good football. That's what shocked and concerned me most. It wasn't a tight game and narrow defeat in which we gave as good as we got, it was completely one sided. Think you are overacting a bit buddy. I read it as he meant we were complacent and just thought we could pass it around Edited 5 March, 2022 by maysie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 22 minutes ago, Chez said: Adams was shit. Did absolutely fuck all that was good or useful. You mean apart from having our only shot on target that forced a good save from Martinez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Teddeer said: Was Ralph not watching? - we didn't play pretty football and that was the problem. Pretty football along with a high energy press has moved us up the table but today we reverted to looking like a side who aren't drilled to play good football. That's what shocked and concerned me most. It wasn't a tight game and narrow defeat in which we gave as good as we got, it was completely one sided. We started the game that way, playing triangles and pushing up high...but we were getting caught, Coutinho was sat in the pocket and they kept catching us out. We didn't have the recovery pace or the reading of the game from Salisu and it made a huge difference. When we play how we play these results will happen, you will get picked off if a team beat the press well enough and have a clever player in the hole. That's what happened today really. We were probably a little too gung-ho (complacent?) against the quality we were up against, as Villa's attacking talent is as good as anyone outside the top 5 or 6. Edited 5 March, 2022 by S-Clarke 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 5 March, 2022 Share Posted 5 March, 2022 1 minute ago, maysie said: Think you are overacting a bit buddy. I read it has he meant we were complacent and just thought we could pass it around Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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