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Great performance. Obviously could have been alot more which is the only downside, but we are really motoring now. Didnt think we would be where we are now after taking 8 games to win our first, but some of the football at times is a joy to watch.

Plenty of great performances again - KWP, Che, Stu, Romeu and Tino the standouts. Although we were rarely troubled, happy for Salisu given his previous performances vs Everton and DCL (I remember wondering who we had signed when he was bullied by DCL at Goodison last season). Hes come on leaps and bounds since then and is leading our defence superbly

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Can we keep it up? Is this the new norm?

It's taken us a very long time to be fluid and get a run of results and form going. Is it possible to continue the way we have been for an equally long period?

We've got the right players in the right positions. Everyone fit and everyone confident.  I guess we need that to continue.

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The Kraken

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3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Can we keep it up? Is this the new norm?

It's taken us a very long time to be fluid and get a run of results and form going. Is it possible to continue the way we have been for an equally long period?

We've got the right players in the right positions. Everyone fit and everyone confident.  I guess we need that to continue.

Under Ralph we either seem to be consistently brilliant or consistently rubbish!

Long may it continue, we’ve got a very decent run in so it would be great to secure a top ten place.

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3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Can we keep it up? Is this the new norm?

It's taken us a very long time to be fluid and get a run of results and form going. Is it possible to continue the way we have been for an equally long period?

We've got the right players in the right positions. Everyone fit and everyone confident.  I guess we need that to continue.

Weve got a really bide balance to the team at the moment and have not really had too many injuries this season so hopefully we can avoid any to key players. We’ve got a nice little run of fixture now it’d be great to out a long unbeaten run together, what’s the longest unbeaten run we’ve been on in top flight? 

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VictiAbNonem

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Oriol Romeu's first game as a Saint..

"On 13 August 2015, Romeu joined Southampton for £5 million on a three-year deal. He made his debut two days later, as a half-time substitute for Dušan Tadić in a 3–0 home defeat to Everton, earning a booking after three minutes for a foul on James McCarthy."

 

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3 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Big difference is Ralph has a proper bench for the first time with all the rubbish gone and some depth to his squad --good management team at last.

When you say a proper bench. He brought on Shane Long.

Great he scored today, but he should generally be no where near the starting 11 

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The Kraken

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9 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Big difference is Ralph has a proper bench for the first time with all the rubbish gone and some depth to his squad --good management team at last.

I don’t think we do. My opinion on our side hasn’t changed since the start of the season. We’ve got a decent first XI, we’ve got another 2 or 3 squad players who can genuinely make a case for a starting spot, and we haven’t got much behind that who are pushing for a start.

 

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When you say a proper bench. He brought on Shane Long.

Great he scored today, but he should generally be no where near the starting 11 

To be fair, Long's not in the side for his goals any more. He's bought on to disrupt the opposition and help hold on to leads usually now, and he's still got that in him for a few minutes at the end of games.

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

To be fair, Long's not in the side for his goals any more. He's bought on to disrupt the opposition and help hold on to leads usually now, and he's still got that in him for a few minutes at the end of games.

And again, to be fair, if a striker on the bench is not there to score goals, it’s not exactly a position of strength. More a means to an end, as happy as we all are for Schlongy to bag one today.

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Regarding squad depth, with everyone fit all of a sudden we have a bench of:

Caballero

Lyanco

Stephens

Livramento

Diallo

Redmond

Tella

A.Armstrong

Long

 

With the likes of Djenepo, Smallbone, Walcott, Valery, McCarthy not even making it into the squad. I think our depth is fine. Of course it could always be better. 

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Manuel

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2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I don’t think we do. My opinion on if our side hasn’t changed since the start of the season. We’ve got a decent first XI, we’ve got another 2 or 3 squad players who can genuinely make a case for a starting spot, and we haven’t got much behind that who are pushing for a start.

Except for a striker I think we're ok.  If Broja goes or gets injured we're relying on AA who's yet to prove himself.  In every other position we can afford 1 injury and field a decent side.  

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1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

I don’t think we do. My opinion on if our side hasn’t changed since the start of the season. We’ve got a decent first XI, we’ve got another 2 or 3 squad players who can genuinely make a case for a starting spot, and we haven’t got much behind that who are pushing for a start.

Yeah it's still not a super strong bench, but unlike this time last year it's not filled with completely untried kids from the U23s and devoid of any experience/quality.

Assuming the team that started the previous two games is our first 11, we've still got A Armstrong, Redmond, Long, Walcott, Djenepo, Diallo, Tino, Stephens and Lyanco (when fit) pushing for a place. That's light years better than our options at this stage last season.

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That was very similar to the home win over Everton last year, fairly comfortable in the main.

They came out quickest and tried to press early, but it was a bit hit and rush by them - no real purpose, just lots of running and pressure. Eventually they ran out of some steam and we got a foothold. I thought for the majority of the half we were the better side, certainly keeping the ball better and working it into better situations. Somewhat frustrating to be 0-0.

2nd half we had the game tied up on that 2nd half sub. That basically gifted the midfield to us as Gomes is that limited. From that moment on the midfield opened up and we had space to spread the play and dictate from the middle of the park, the early go from Armstrong was critical as I felt we'd start to get frustrated and start rushing had we not got that. Even after that point we still kept pushing and really should have been 2-0 way before it was, but long came on and had an impact which is all you can ask for.

Overall a really enjoyable game and a pretty comfortable game all told. We don't get many of those! It was nice to sit back and relax for the last 5 or so mins.

We do look a really good outfit at the moment, very sharp on the press, really good in possession and a general threat in an attacking sense. Having Armstrong back gives us such a different dimension in an attacking sense as he's such a clever player with his movement.

Norwich next, you'd say they've got no chance given our form but you never know. How good is it though to not have to look over our shoulders, we've got ourselves a nice little cushion in the top 10 now and with our fixtures coming up I see no reason why we can't aim for the 50's points wise this year.

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12 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

To be fair, Long's not in the side for his goals any more. He's bought on to disrupt the opposition and help hold on to leads usually now, and he's still got that in him for a few minutes at the end of games.

Still not buying that, his touch is generally poor and he's frequently offside. He may have had a couple of decent cameos against crap Everton and Swansea sides but he does very little to trouble most teams in this league.

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Whitey Grandad

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10 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

And again, to be fair, if a striker on the bench is not there to score goals, it’s not exactly a position of strength. More a means to an end, as happy as we all are for Schlongy to bag one today.

Then don’t think of him as a striker. He’s useful to bring on late in the game and push the opposition back into the corners.

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Then don’t think of him as a striker. He’s useful to bring on late in the game and push the opposition back into the corners.

Again, that doesn’t make a strong bench.

I don’t want to do this anyway, the lad scored a vital goal today and I’m delighted for him and for me because of it, so I’ll leave it there. Schlongy gets a big thumbs up today.

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Lee On Solent Saint

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8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That was very similar to the home win over Everton last year, fairly comfortable in the main.

They came out quickest and tried to press early, but it was a bit hit and rush by them - no real purpose, just lots of running and pressure. Eventually they ran out of some steam and we got a foothold. I thought for the majority of the half we were the better side, certainly keeping the ball better and working it into better situations. Somewhat frustrating to be 0-0.

2nd half we had the game tied up on that 2nd half sub. That basically gifted the midfield to us as Gomes is that limited. From that moment on the midfield opened up and we had space to spread the play and dictate from the middle of the park, the early go from Armstrong was critical as I felt we'd start to get frustrated and start rushing had we not got that. Even after that point we still kept pushing and really should have been 2-0 way before it was, but long came on and had an impact which is all you can ask for.

Overall a really enjoyable game and a pretty comfortable game all told. We don't get many of those! It was nice to sit back and relax for the last 5 or so mins.

We do look a really good outfit at the moment, very sharp on the press, really good in possession and a general threat in an attacking sense. Having Armstrong back gives us such a different dimension in an attacking sense as he's such a clever player with his movement.

Norwich next, you'd say they've got no chance given our form but you never know. How good is it though to not have to look over our shoulders, we've got ourselves a nice little cushion in the top 10 now and with our fixtures coming up I see no reason why we can't aim for the 50's points wise this year.

Agreed, a very enjoyable game. First time this season that I never really believed the end result was in any doubt. JWP and Romeou absolutely dominated their midfield, and for the ref not bottling a second yellow for Allan we would have been playing against ten for at least 55 minutes. Richarlson and Calvert Lewin almost always bully us of the pitch so, it was especially pleasing for Salisu and Bednerak not giving them a kick all game. 

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9 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Agreed, a very enjoyable game. First time this season that I never really believed the end result was in any doubt. JWP and Romeou absolutely dominated their midfield, and for the ref not bottling a second yellow for Allan we would have been playing against ten for at least 55 minutes. Richarlson and Calvert Lewin almost always bully us of the pitch so, it was especially pleasing for Salisu and Bednerak not giving them a kick all game. 

Bednarek had a great game I thought, really proactive in his game in terms of coming out to engage rather than 'waiting' to defend. He was quicker in mind to either of their forward players today which helped us a lot. It kept us on the front foot.

Midfield not so much a surprise, expected us to dominate with the profile of player they had in their 2nd half. Gomes is just drifting as a player and cannot physically play at that intensity anymore after his injuries.

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9 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Agreed, a very enjoyable game. First time this season that I never really believed the end result was in any doubt. JWP and Romeou absolutely dominated their midfield, and for the ref not bottling a second yellow for Allan we would have been playing against ten for at least 55 minutes. Richarlson and Calvert Lewin almost always bully us of the pitch so, it was especially pleasing for Salisu and Bednerak not giving them a kick all game. 

Lampard would probably have been better off keeping him on and risking him getting sent off than replacing him with the completely useless Gomes. He was so shit, it gave us total control of the midfield.

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9 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Lampard would probably have been better off keeping him on and risking him getting sent off than replacing him with the completely useless Gomes. He was so shit, it gave us total control of the midfield.

I have a feeling Allan was probably on a last warning anyway and would have been treading on eggshells the rest of the game. Gomes was completely outclassed but I can't see how keeping Allan on would have helped.

Team full of brides. Too many chiefs and no Indians.

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16 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Lampard would probably have been better off keeping him on and risking him getting sent off than replacing him with the completely useless Gomes. He was so shit, it gave us total control of the midfield.

They really miss Doucoure, he would at least put himself about a bit and broken some play up. From the bits I saw they looked really lightweight in the centre of midfield allowing us to completely dominate and control the game. They just looked a team lacking any bottle, a bit like we were a year ago as soon as things started to go against them they didn’t know how to turn it round and got steam rollered by a more physical team. It was great to see given we’ve been on the other end of those sort of performances for a while

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25 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Bednarek had a great game I thought, really proactive in his game in terms of coming out to engage rather than 'waiting' to defend. He was quicker in mind to either of their forward players today which helped us a lot. It kept us on the front foot.

Midfield not so much a surprise, expected us to dominate with the profile of player they had in their 2nd half. Gomes is just drifting as a player and cannot physically play at that intensity anymore after his injuries.

I am really pleased you said that as that was my opinion too but thought I would get a whole lot of grief. I was very surprised at how long ball Everton played. Surely this must have come from Lampard.

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2 minutes ago, Yozzman said:

I am really pleased you said that as that was my opinion too but thought I would get a whole lot of grief. I was very surprised at how long ball Everton played. Surely this must have come from Lampard.

Frank say "it is not good enough to try and miss out [midfield] and play to the strikers. It has to be an option but it can't be the way we play"

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8 minutes ago, Yozzman said:

I am really pleased you said that as that was my opinion too but thought I would get a whole lot of grief. I was very surprised at how long ball Everton played. Surely this must have come from Lampard.

Listening to his interview, Lampard was equally critical about their long ball play and said he doesn't want them to play that way.

I think they reverted to that because we didn't give them time on the ball, and when they did have the ball they were generally shit at finding a team mate.

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9 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Looking at our remaining fixtures and being, IMO, very conservative with my predictions I have us finishing on 47 points. 

15 points from 13 games? That's almost relegation form, possible but unlikely unless we lose JWP and Salisu etc to injury against Norwich OR hit the beaches early.

We'll get above 50 IMO starting with 3 against Norwich.

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6 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

15 points from 13 games? That's almost relegation form, possible but unlikely unless we lose JWP and Salisu etc to injury against Norwich OR hit the beaches early.

We'll get above 50 IMO starting with 3 against Norwich.

Norwich, Villa, Newcastle, Watford, Burnley.

I want at least eleven points from the next five.

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15 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

15 points from 13 games? That's almost relegation form, possible but unlikely unless we lose JWP and Salisu etc to injury against Norwich OR hit the beaches early.

We'll get above 50 IMO starting with 3 against Norwich.

I did say I was being very conservative. 

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Very nice to walk out of the ground have seen what we hoped for walking in. Once we got our heads round Perraud not being there and running  the wrong way for a change, we settled and Everton looked to run out of ideas. The chat last week from Everton players was they have been given freedom to play their football by Super Frank. As the half wore on it looked like all Franks Dogs were off the lead, excitedly running round pretty aimlessly. Second half was as if Ralph told them to stop playing with their food and get on with it. Said to Mrs JBS some of this is sublime, she replied what has someone done to our team!! At   Tottenham when our tails were up, Spurs were chasing shadows, Everton today couldn’t be bothered in the end.

Thought Mr Madley had a good game on the whistle, especially not buying the rolling about which Everton gave up trying to sell him. One funny moment when Che had been kicked for the umpteenth time and sat on the pitch Coleman first seemingly calling out our “60-70 minute cheat” telling Che to get up - then telling the ref we were cheating, not doubt quoting The Sun, The Mirror, and the Athletic.

Romeu was my man of the match - he is like a fine wine.

Atmosphere in the ground was pretty good too.

Lets hope we can keep it going.

 

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