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10 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Expecting to see Redmond in for Elyounoussi.and Livramento in for Perraud with KWP to left back but other than that I can't see any changes that would be justifiable. 

Please God no. That performance could not have happened of Redmond was playing last night, those fantastic free flowing attacks would have died every time he received the ball, stopped and tapped it backwards. Not to mention his lack of desire in contesting the ball.

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It's not about "can they play 3 games in a week".  It's more about can they play 3 games in a week to the highest level possible, you could argue thats a no.  However, the majority didnt play against Coventry, only JWP who is not quite human.

Would expect to see rotation if Ralph doesn't think they can play 90 minutes, as he won't want to lock in subs before we've even started.  Saying that, I hope we pretty much put out the same side, if they can play to that level. Elyounoussi has massively surprised me, and clearly has got a bit of self belief back from his trip to Scotland.

Let's be honest, we'd have all been happy with 2 points and get through the cup round from this week, and we've already got 3 points.  This is a "free hit" points wise IMO.  

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9 hours ago, egg said:

Of course it will, and so it should be - getting spanked 9 nil twice is a disgrace (context or no context) so we have to accept that we'll get the piss ripped out of us. Thicken your skin. 

My skin is plenty thick enough thanks, still bored listening to lazy pundits and commentators, can hear it already if it's 0-0 at HT, "United struggling against the team they put 9 past last season" blah blah , how many of that line up will be playing this time? Hopefully we can keep 11 on the pitch for 90 mins, will need a decent ref to give us a chance. 

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Here is our record at OT since the start of the Premiership and then we returned to the Premier League. I tell you what it was no better in the years before the Premiership/Premier League started, but much better since we returned to the top flight. 
 

Since our return in the 2012/13 season we have the below record. 

PD9 - W2 - D3 - L4 - GF 8 GA 19, with 2 back to back 0-1 wins and of course clean sheets in 14/15 and 15/16. Ralf again like yesterday at WHL has never won at OT, but has pick up a point in a 2-2 draw in 19/20 season. Played 3 - W0 - D1 - L2. But of course he will always have the 9-0 under his name from last season. 😬. It is nice though, to have had a manager in place for long enough to do some kind of record for them. 

Before we were relegated in 2005 our record at OT was dire, even though a much better Man U outfit we did face. 

PD13 - W0 - D1 - L12 - GF12 - GA37

Not much to talk about in here apart from the only point was a game I was at in the 99/00 season where Le Tiss squeezed in an equaliser with put electric pace and fizz (in what was the tamest shot that I have ever seen him take) on the ball that it managed to trickle through the legs of the keeper into the United goal. Then we missed a chance (I think Le Tiss again) to win the game. 

So I think we can go here with the mindset of winning the game. I think Spurs was tougher and if we play anywhere near as good as we did last night, I cannot see why not. We are a little hit and miss though and this fact does worry me. 

Would take a draw, but it is weird as a Saints fan to think that I will be disappointed if we do not take something from OT and am thinking even a win. This used to be a bonus game, and anything would be a plus, but Man U are all over the place. 🤔 

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4 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

Here is our record at OT since the start of the Premiership and then we returned to the Premier League. I tell you what it was no better in the years before the Premiership/Premier League started, but much better since we returned to the top flight. 
 

Since our return in the 2012/13 season we have the below record. 

PD9 - W2 - D3 - L4 - GF 8 GA 19, with 2 back to back 0-1 wins and of course clean sheets in 14/15 and 15/16. Ralf again like yesterday at WHL has never won at OT, but has pick up a point in a 2-2 draw in 19/20 season. Played 3 - W0 - D1 - L2. But of course he will always have the 9-0 under his name from last season. 😬. It is nice though, to have had a manager in place for long enough to do some kind of record for them. 

Before we were relegated in 2005 our record at OT was dire, even though a much better Man U outfit we did face. 

PD13 - W0 - D1 - L12 - GF12 - GA37

Not much to talk about in here apart from the only point was a game I was at in the 99/00 season where Le Tiss squeezed in an equaliser with put electric pace and fizz (in what was the tamest shot that I have ever seen him take) on the ball that it managed to trickle through the legs of the keeper into the United goal. Then we missed a chance (I think Le Tiss again) to win the game. 

So I think we can go here with the mindset of winning the game. I think Spurs was tougher and if we play anywhere near as good as we did last night, I cannot see why not. We are a little hit and miss though and this fact does worry me. 

Would take a draw, but it is weird as a Saints fan to think that I will be disappointed if we do not take something from OT and am thinking even a win. This used to be a bonus game, and anything would be a plus, but Man U are all over the place. 🤔 

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I was there also 

 

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Having a quick browse on Redcafe and a lot of them aren’t confident at all! 
https://www.redcafe.net/matches/manchester-united-vs-southampton.440/
Would never have thought their fans would ever be worried in a home game against Southampton. 

Same team as the one that started Spurs for me. 

Again, I think we will have our chances but they’ll have their individual moments I’m sure of it. 
 

I am quietly confident, but I don’t want to misplace it for arrogance. All I do know is I am bloody excited :D

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53 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Having a quick browse on Redcafe and a lot of them aren’t confident at all! 
https://www.redcafe.net/matches/manchester-united-vs-southampton.440/
Would never have thought their fans would ever be worried in a home game against Southampton. 

Same team as the one that started Spurs for me. 

Again, I think we will have our chances but they’ll have their individual moments I’m sure of it. 
 

I am quietly confident, but I don’t want to misplace it for arrogance. All I do know is I am bloody excited :D

Interesting that they feel hard done by with VAR which is contrary to our perception of their games.

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57 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Having a quick browse on Redcafe and a lot of them aren’t confident at all! 
https://www.redcafe.net/matches/manchester-united-vs-southampton.440/
Would never have thought their fans would ever be worried in a home game against Southampton. 

Same team as the one that started Spurs for me. 

Again, I think we will have our chances but they’ll have their individual moments I’m sure of it. 
 

I am quietly confident, but I don’t want to misplace it for arrogance. All I do know is I am bloody excited :D

My favourite:

If we don't play well in this game, Southampton along with Hasenhuttl will take the game away from us very soon. I watched the Spurs vs Southampton game last night and they were unbelievable. Spurs really struggled against them. We really need to up our game and play well to win or there won't be any draw, they'll take 3 points from OT.  8)

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9 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

Stuart Attwell on the whistle for this one - he always makes me think of the Weasley guy in charge of the Radio station in Good Morning Vietnam.

More importantly who is on the VAR? As long as its not Dean that's the main thing. 

Still can't believe we sold out 3100 for an early kick off up there, bound to be quite a few days trippers going to see Ronaldo and Old Trafford (there always is) but hopefully regular away travellers will make plenty of noise. 

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2 hours ago, JRM said:

More importantly who is on the VAR? As long as its not Dean that's the main thing. 

Still can't believe we sold out 3100 for an early kick off up there, bound to be quite a few days trippers going to see Ronaldo and Old Trafford (there always is) but hopefully regular away travellers will make plenty of noise. 

Yep nor can I. Only thing I can say is that it sold out at premium member level so we should have the fairly regular contingent, it would surprise me if United fans are buying premium memberships for our club to get tickets (or maybe not!) 

I know a United fan who says its not impossible to get tickets for OT these days with a premium membership compared to previous years, mainly due to them being crap but you still need to be alert.

To answer the VAR question - Jarred Gillett is the VAR ref - he was in charge for our 3-0 defeat at the Emirates this season, and refereed the Villa 3-3 Leeds game the other day. 

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20 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Please God no. That performance could not have happened of Redmond was playing last night, those fantastic free flowing attacks would have died every time he received the ball, stopped and tapped it backwards. Not to mention his lack of desire in contesting the ball.

How many times did we play the ball backwards and sideways in the build up to Che’s goal against Spurs? Also one thing you can say about Redmond is that he does put in a shift defensively. And how many assists does he have this season? 

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10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

How many times did we play the ball backwards and sideways in the build up to Che’s goal against Spurs? Also one thing you can say about Redmond is that he does put in a shift defensively. And how many assists does he have this season? 

The backwards and sideways balls played on wednesday had zip and purpose, when Redmond plays his crappy little short passes it appears as though he is dumping his responsibility on someone else when he should be taking his man on. You like him, I don't. His "defensive shift" against City was appalling, he got hooked as a result,  he didn't even show against Coventry. 

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1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

The backwards and sideways balls played on wednesday had zip and purpose, when Redmond plays his crappy little short passes it appears as though he is dumping his responsibility on someone else when he should be taking his man on. You like him, I don't. His "defensive shift" against City was appalling, he got hooked as a result,  he didn't even show against Coventry. 

it is not about liking it is about reality Redmond is just one of our better players this season and because of this we are doing better as a team

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I am strangely optimistic on this one, generally a bad feeling as Saints normally let me down when I am in a positive mindset.

In reality if Man Utd take some of the (many) chances they have been spurning in recent games our recent optimistic bubble might be deflated.

It would be great to get a good result up at Old Trafford but it remains important to get decent results against the teams below us in forthcoming games.

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1 hour ago, John B said:

it is not about liking it is about reality Redmond is just one of our better players this season and because of this we are doing better as a team

I think the "like" and dislike is relevant when it comes to ones perception of "reality"

 

edit - For context, my original point has got a bit lost, that we would not have achieved Wednesdays performance with Redmond in place of Elyounoussi.

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1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

I think the "like" and dislike is relevant when it comes to ones perception of "reality"

 

edit - For context, my original point has got a bit lost, that we would not have achieved Wednesdays performance with Redmond in place of Elyounoussi.

Think I agree that Redmond unbalances us, as he is a bit of a danger when he loses possession or slows things up. But I also couldn't help think that we were much more balanced again with KWP in his rightful place and Perraud on the other side. Sorry, but I'd leave it this way for Man U so Livramento on the bench. Think Ralph will tinker though. Hope he learns that sometimes the same side is best, even allowing for fatigue.

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1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

I think the "like" and dislike is relevant when it comes to ones perception of "reality"

 

edit - For context, my original point has got a bit lost, that we would not have achieved Wednesdays performance with Redmond in place of Elyounoussi.

I agree, use of the word like makes it personal. He gives his all and has an engine almost as good as JWP he deserves, and I think gets, quite a bit of kudos for that. He definitely is better at defensive duties than Elyounoussi, he was struggling big time until it started to rain Wednesday. Once the game slowed down he was in his element. That isn't a criticism he is way better going forward imo. Redmond has always partnered up well with Bertrand and now Perraud.

However your point is valid, we can all see it, going forward he so often will beat a man but fails to deliver the final ball. Choosing to pass sideways or backwards. When he plays a little deeper I think the opposite happens, he doesn't try and beat the man and plays some really good passes. His best games have been in this position, but Ralph then moved him up front as we had injuries and we were back to square one. He simply doesn't seem to  have the tookit for that position with savvy Premier league defenders. Essentially they know what he is going to do. They know what Broja is going to do but can't stop it 😀

Redmond doesn't weaken the team particularly, he's played his part in some of the best performances, but he doesn't particularly strengthen it either. He is reliable and I guess any manager appreciates that. He divides opinion on here because people want him to be the player he simply never will be, whilst others probably accept him for what he is.

Way too much time is spent arguing about it imo. Really no need. He'll probably start tomorrow because Ralph will want Saints to steam roller Utd from the off and some players won't have the resources for that after two tough games. 

Whilst I'd love a result at OT in reality the Everton and Norwich games should be the main targets. Two ins there and Saints are rocking.

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The difference now to, say, last season us that we're in great form, and have a strong first XI and a better squad. That means we CAN beat United. Simply if our performance levels are like Spurs we can beat United. Even though they have better players than Spurs IMO.

 

WILL we beat United? Well that's the question. We've been a bit Jekyll and Hyde this season, I was at St Mary's for the godawful loss to Wolves, but we can. Simply said, with the win at Spuds behind us, I'd take a draw here. Even so a loss isn't a disgrace at Old Trafford. I'll go with 1-1. Same line up. 

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1 hour ago, DT said:

Think I agree that Redmond unbalances us, as he is a bit of a danger when he loses possession or slows things up. But I also couldn't help think that we were much more balanced again with KWP in his rightful place and Perraud on the other side. Sorry, but I'd leave it this way for Man U so Livramento on the bench. Think Ralph will tinker though. Hope he learns that sometimes the same side is best, even allowing for fatigue.

Fatigue has to be taken into account though. We played a full throttle match on Wednesday night and we're playing at 12.30 Saturday. And Man U have an extra days rest on us.

IMO if Ralph makes changes it won't be "tinkering", it will be based on condition of the players. We will likely need Redmond and Livramento if they are available either from start or as subs.

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In truth if offered 4 points from consecutive away games at City, Spurs and Utd we'd have taken it without question. We have those 4 points in the bag with a game to spare. Maybe it would be considered greedy to expect any more but you never know. Most of us would have been delighted to keep the damage to the goal difference down, reset and move on to an easier run of games.

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14 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

In truth if offered 4 points from consecutive away games at City, Spurs and Utd we'd have taken it without question. We have those 4 points in the bag with a game to spare. Maybe it would be considered greedy to expect any more but you never know. Most of us would have been delighted to keep the damage to the goal difference down, reset and move on to an easier run of games.

I'd have taken two points from City, Spurs & Utd.

That we're now thinking about seven points is insane.

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4 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

An absolute free-hit, this one.

I, ideally, wanted a cup win & a point from Spurs/Utd at the start of the week.  Brilliant we’ve got 3 points already.

Agreed mate. I was going for a point from these two as a good outcome, but 3 already is more than I imagined. Puts us in such a good position as the games after this are comparatively better. Although this is Southampton and we know how that works...

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Mo Salisu's interception stats are ridiculous.

He leads the league with 58 interceptions.

Second is Michael Keane with 43, 15 behind Salisu.

Twentieth is Hojbjerg with 30, 13 behind Keane.

Premier League Player Stats - Interceptions

He's also high in the table for all the other defensive stats. I don't think I'd want to swap him for any other defender in the league at the moment, even VVD. I certainly wouldn't trade him for any of the Man Utd lot we're up against tomorrow.

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58 minutes ago, VictiAbNonem said:

Mo Salisu's interception stats are ridiculous.

He leads the league with 58 interceptions.

Second is Michael Keane with 43, 15 behind Salisu.

Twentieth is Hojbjerg with 30, 13 behind Keane.

Premier League Player Stats - Interceptions

He's also high in the table for all the other defensive stats. I don't think I'd want to swap him for any other defender in the league at the moment, even VVD. I certainly wouldn't trade him for any of the Man Utd lot we're up against tomorrow.

3 players in the top 20, nice to see. I seem to remember Bednarek being top, or very near to it at some point last season.

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Will be very interesting match. Utd now play the same style of football we do but are a ways behind our core squad in terms of learning a new discipline. We had really rough games at start and were up and down as we learned the system with periods of great wins but really heavy losses depending on how well our players applied the new strategy Hassenhutl brought in. United are going through this now but i suspect with more resistance from one or two superstars in their team who won’t immediately buy the philosophy.  When we lost badly it was often to teams who played focused counterattacking football, Leicester, Man Utd at the time to name the two obvious ones, spurs another example of a team that often we struggled with over previous seasons. 
 

So I think if we play a more solid defensive game giving us lots of exits to their press and look for pacy counterattacks we could really punish them 

4-1 Saints Victory

Armstrong - Broja (g)

Ward Prowse (g)-DJ/S.Armstrong(fitness)

Romeu

Perraud (g) -Bednarek (g)-salisu-Stephens - KWP


And if the team doesn’t come out exactly like that then it’s the managers fault and you can’t say I was wrong when we get pasted instead 😂

lottery numbers coming up next…

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A free hit for Saints as others have posted for the game tomorrow. Being realistic - its Man United at home. If they have their heads on the right way round we are in for a tough game. However, hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard. Let's see which Man United turn up. They have been creating chances but not putting them away. Hopefully that continues. 

Up the Saints! 

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2 hours ago, CanadaSaint said:

Yes! Alternatively, they shop at Fortnum & Mason and we shop at Tesco, but our stuff is much tastier.

Good analogy - got our Christmas pud at F&M for the first time last year. When we got it home we found it was damaged. Very much like the aging Ronaldo.

Thumping away win on the cards. 

 

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1 hour ago, Mallagroth said:

Will be very interesting match. Utd now play the same style of football we do but are a ways behind our core squad in terms of learning a new discipline. We had really rough games at start and were up and down as we learned the system with periods of great wins but really heavy losses depending on how well our players applied the new strategy Hassenhutl brought in. United are going through this now but i suspect with more resistance from one or two superstars in their team who won’t immediately buy the philosophy.  When we lost badly it was often to teams who played focused counterattacking football, Leicester, Man Utd at the time to name the two obvious ones, spurs another example of a team that often we struggled with over previous seasons. 
 

So I think if we play a more solid defensive game giving us lots of exits to their press and look for pacy counterattacks we could really punish them 

4-1 Saints Victory

Armstrong - Broja (g)

Ward Prowse (g)-DJ/S.Armstrong(fitness)

Romeu

Perraud (g) -Bednarek (g)-salisu-Stephens - KWP


And if the team doesn’t come out exactly like that then it’s the managers fault and you can’t say I was wrong when we get pasted instead 😂

lottery numbers coming up next…

And if it was 4-1 you wouldn’t see one comment in the press about how good we were but more how poor United played.

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6 hours ago, Mallagroth said:

Will be very interesting match. Utd now play the same style of football we do but are a ways behind our core squad in terms of learning a new discipline. We had really rough games at start and were up and down as we learned the system with periods of great wins but really heavy losses depending on how well our players applied the new strategy Hassenhutl brought in. United are going through this now but i suspect with more resistance from one or two superstars in their team who won’t immediately buy the philosophy.  When we lost badly it was often to teams who played focused counterattacking football, Leicester, Man Utd at the time to name the two obvious ones, spurs another example of a team that often we struggled with over previous seasons. 
 

So I think if we play a more solid defensive game giving us lots of exits to their press and look for pacy counterattacks we could really punish them 

4-1 Saints Victory

Armstrong - Broja (g)

Ward Prowse (g)-DJ/S.Armstrong(fitness)

Romeu

Perraud (g) -Bednarek (g)-salisu-Stephens - KWP


And if the team doesn’t come out exactly like that then it’s the managers fault and you can’t say I was wrong when we get pasted instead 😂

lottery numbers coming up next…

Not a bad shout. Ralph does seem to have learnt from his previous mistakes and now mixes up our formation, even during the same game which makes us less predictable.

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