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1 hour ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

PL average wage is or was 45k per week. Probably higher now. If he's going to be number 1 then it is reasonable for him to demand more than £45k imo

 

6 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Would be mental if we are paying 50+ a week on wages for Big Gav. 

One story i saw was that city offered him £45k a week to stay but he turned down more money to get first team football with us. 

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6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

One story i saw was that city offered him £45k a week to stay but he turned down more money to get first team football with us. 

At least if true it shows he isn't all about the money like some young players.

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1 hour ago, VectisSaint said:

Eh? McCarthy did play in the last couple of games. 

Ah yes, my mistake. Forster got injured didn't he. Scrub that thought then...I still think McCarthy is highly likely to be the starter come August, unless Ralph throwing him under a bus after Brighton has caused a rift/changed his opinion of him - and I have zero evidence of that.

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5 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Ok but if you were Pep and you needed a DM would you go for him? 

Yes, unless Rice was available. 
 

Phillips is massively underrated on here, probably because he’s taking JWP’s spot in the England squad. 
 

He’d really suit City. 

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15 minutes ago, Chez said:

Ah yes, my mistake. Forster got injured didn't he. Scrub that thought then...I still think McCarthy is highly likely to be the starter come August, unless Ralph throwing him under a bus after Brighton has caused a rift/changed his opinion of him - and I have zero evidence of that.

No worries, thought it a bit odd. The story always was that McCarthy had agreed an extension based on him not being guaranteed #1, and that Forster had turned down a similar contract offer. This was in the Scottish Sun (or some other Scottish red top, which might seem obscure, but the Scottish rags are/were close to Forster due to his Celtic loans). Looks like Bazanu has been told he will be #1 which fits in with what I understood last year. Bit surprised if Bazunu is being offered #1 given his age and experience, was expecting someone "better" but I don't think we would be paying £16m for a backup. It is a bit of a risk, but with McCarthy and Willy as backups, perhaps the risk is somewhat mitigated. Still wouldn't surprise me totally to see McCarthy moved on and replaced, now that we have a new keeper, based on the McCarthy/Ralph fallout in January (Brighton match), just because McCarthy signed a new contract doesn't mean we can't sell him (I know, who would buy him) or loan him out. But I don't have any worries about McCarthy as a backup he was doing perfectly fine up until the Norwich match last season and doubtful that he would have actually been dropped had he not got injured.

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1 minute ago, Dman said:

Yes, unless Rice was available. 
 

Phillips is massively underrated on here, probably because he’s taking JWP’s spot in the England squad. 
 

He’d really suit City. 

But city can get who they want. I’m not putting Phillips down but I think there are better (not necessarily English ) DMs out there.

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6 minutes ago, Rebel said:

Slightly depressing reading - but its hard to to disagree with most of this - gives a little room for some hope that things will get better

https://www.football365.com/news/southampton-owners-have-a-lot-to-prove-to-james-ward-prowse-this-summer

No quotes from JWP. Pure opinion which is an easy assumption to make. No reason to panic. 

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13 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yes, unless Rice was available. 
 

Phillips is massively underrated on here, probably because he’s taking JWP’s spot in the England squad. 
 

He’d really suit City. 

He would but Rodri is better. For City I suppose they can afford £100m on Grealish as sub and play in enough competitions to give everyone game time. 5 sub rule will also help

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6 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

No worries, thought it a bit odd. The story always was that McCarthy had agreed an extension based on him not being guaranteed #1, and that Forster had turned down a similar contract offer. This was in the Scottish Sun (or some other Scottish red top, which might seem obscure, but the Scottish rags are/were close to Forster due to his Celtic loans). Looks like Bazanu has been told he will be #1 which fits in with what I understood last year. Bit surprised if Bazunu is being offered #1 given his age and experience, was expecting someone "better" but I don't think we would be paying £16m for a backup. It is a bit of a risk, but with McCarthy and Willy as backups, perhaps the risk is somewhat mitigated. Still wouldn't surprise me totally to see McCarthy moved on and replaced, now that we have a new keeper, based on the McCarthy/Ralph fallout in January (Brighton match), just because McCarthy signed a new contract doesn't mean we can't sell him (I know, who would buy him) or loan him out. But I don't have any worries about McCarthy as a backup he was doing perfectly fine up until the Norwich match last season and doubtful that he would have actually been dropped had he not got injured.

I don't agree fully with that Scottish article. At the time McCarthy was offered a new contract, he was our number 1 and there was no reason for the manager/club to offer him a contract (in terms of value) that reflected a demotion, so to speak. Forster was a different case entirely as he was on huge money and considered second choice at that time.

That doesn't mean McCarthy automatically would get the first 11 shirt or indeed even stay at the club, as things change quickly in football. But he has the three (now two) year contract, which will be sizeable - more than Bazanu I suspect, but perhaps less than Forster was on previously - so if he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to go anywhere, and certainly won't for less money. 

I genuinely think Ralph will see McCarthy as the starter initially, and Bazanu will be the second choice and will replace him at some point. But that might be as quickly as the first game (Livramento style) depending on how preseason goes.

Yeah, a fair bit of wedge, but as with Gunn, we are spending money on what we believe to be an exciting young keeper that we hope will thrive at SFC, and then go on to bigger things, helping us make a profit down the line that we can reinvest.

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30 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Ok but if you were Pep and you needed a DM would you go for him? 

good question.  Is he neat and tidy enough on the ball for Pep. if yes, then he would really add to them as boy does he get around the pitch - and adding that athleticism might be that little extra ingredient they need to `win it all'.

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15 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

No quotes from JWP. Pure opinion which is an easy assumption to make. No reason to panic. 

That may be, but the article perfectly summarises our precarious position and lays out plenty of (obvious) causes for alarm, all of which have been raised on the forum many times.

 

"Saints “must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending.” With so much room for improvement, it’s not a summer where dawdling can be forgiven. Inaction would be a huge failure, particularly with other clubs –Leeds for one – making promising strides so early in the transfer window."

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34 minutes ago, Rebel said:

Slightly depressing reading - but its hard to to disagree with most of this - gives a little room for some hope that things will get better

https://www.football365.com/news/southampton-owners-have-a-lot-to-prove-to-james-ward-prowse-this-summer

That’s a fair assessment, does feel like a big summer for Saints. Hard to not feel a little fearful looking through the fixtures as things stand, following our poor end of season form.

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2 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Why will it be our undoing ? We aren’t sure of the whole package here, loan fee, signing fee, wages

Yes we need a GK and hopefully Bazunu fills that gap… but we also need significant strengthening elsewhere too

Im sure our budget isn’t bottomless. So negotiating this window was always going to be tricky

Guess the point I was trying to make was that we don't always need to look for young players with re-sale value. Not advocating that we go and get a team full of geriatrics, but it would be nice to deviate from our business model when the right slightly older player becomes available.

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3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Guess the point I was trying to make was that we don't always need to look for young players with re-sale value. Not advocating that we go and get a team full of geriatrics, but it would be nice to deviate from our business model when the right slightly older player becomes available.

Personally think we need an old (as in experienced) head at CB. The rest can run around...

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51 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yes, unless Rice was available. 
 

Phillips is massively underrated on here, probably because he’s taking JWP’s spot in the England squad. 
 

He’d really suit City. 

They have Rodri though who was exceptional last season. Can't see Leeds letting Phillips go for less than £60m which is a lot to spend on a bit part player. They did buy Grealish though I suppose.

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Leeds are signing Marc Roca to provide cover for Phillips - and possibly replace him as well.  They need much greater depth to their squad so I I think they will sign someone else if they sell Phillips.   I can see them signing Weston McKennie to up their American quota if they do.  

Biesla liked  a small squad but I think Marsch and owners have realised it was too small for a premier league season.

Leeds are going to spend money to strengthen the squad - backed by the prospective US owners who own the San Francisco 49ers - so its big and good enough to compete in the Premier league.  I think they have plans to make Leeds a big brand in the US when they buy it outright. 

We really need to hope Brentford suffer from second season syndrome and the 3 teams that got promoted  - Fulham, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest - just aren't good enough for the premier league.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Dman said:

Yes, unless Rice was available. 
 

Phillips is massively underrated on here, probably because he’s taking JWP’s spot in the England squad. 
 

He’d really suit City. 

He really isn’t, the times Ive seen him he is vastly overrated 

However, I imagine Pep needs English heads for the squad quotas, otherwise I imagine he’d be looking elsewhere as Phillips really doesn’t get near that City CM

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1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Guess the point I was trying to make was that we don't always need to look for young players with re-sale value. Not advocating that we go and get a team full of geriatrics, but it would be nice to deviate from our business model when the right slightly older player becomes available.

I agree, but Im not sure Henderson fits that bracket really. Good keeper but if we’re being completely honest 100k+ wages and an extra 10m upfront (or however the deal is structured) probably doesn’t represent the value we need to achieve this window

We need a GK, CB, ST as an absolute minimum with CM, No.10 and maybe even another FB after that so our funds will need to stretch

For that reason Im comfortable taking Bazunu and not Henderson, because Id rather more significant funds are used to strengthen outfield positions

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2 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I agree, but Im not sure Henderson fits that bracket really. Good keeper but if we’re being completely honest 100k+ wages and an extra 10m upfront (or however the deal is structured) probably doesn’t represent the value we need to achieve this window

We need a GK, CB, ST as an absolute minimum with CM, No.10 and maybe even another FB after that so our funds will need to stretch

For that reason Im comfortable taking Bazunu and not Henderson, because Id rather more significant funds are used to strengthen outfield positions

This. McCarthy, Bazunu and Caballero should be enough in the GK department. It's the other 6 or 7 outfield players we need to be spending money on now.

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1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

He really isn’t, the times Ive seen him he is vastly overrated 

However, I imagine Pep needs English heads for the squad quotas, otherwise I imagine he’d be looking elsewhere as Phillips really doesn’t get near that City CM

I thought he was hugely overrated when he was picked ahead of JWP but thought he had an excellent Euro 2020. Can see why they're interested.

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The lack of actual quality in our squad is worrying. Who in our team could you say right now is a solid top ten player? 

I would only say JWP and KWP - we've flogged the rest.

Other sides are making moves / getting ready to sell their quality players so will have big money to spend. I wonder if they'll be looking at the bargain bin of 18-22 year olds - I think not.

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2 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

He really isn’t, the times Ive seen him he is vastly overrated 

However, I imagine Pep needs English heads for the squad quotas, otherwise I imagine he’d be looking elsewhere as Phillips really doesn’t get near that City CM

If Pep was watching England against Hungary and/or Italy he would have crossed Philips off the list. He was complete and utter crap, and got JWP an unwanted yellow into the bargain with his hospital pass in the Italy game. 

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51 minutes ago, DT said:

I thought he was hugely overrated when he was picked ahead of JWP but thought he had an excellent Euro 2020. Can see why they're interested.

Reluctantly I agree.

Although I think he is somewhat overrated, he’s still a good player. I imagine City are trying to fill the English quota.

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57 minutes ago, The Cat said:

I think this is pretty much done. He may have even been over to Staplewood.

I'd never heard of him until a week or so ago but seems like he was getting a bit of attention from other premier league clubs too so sounds quite promising.

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Could be a good one, 22, played in the Champions League and a full international. Played for a top club, not quite made it, but shown enough previously to be picked up and play for a club of Bayern Munich's stature. Like a Bertrand/Romeu signing, but they don't always come off as you do also get a Lemina, although, he didn't fail here because of a lack of talent. I believe our last signing from Bayern was Hojbjerg and despite in my opinion him being the definition of average, a consistent 6/10, we did make a small £3m profit on him. (Due to contract and him not wanting to go to Everton).

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I am not against signing young players with potential to develop them and sell them on at a profit - as long as most of the proceeds are reinvested back in to the team. 

But you need a core of good experienced players to build the team around -  and one or two wise old heads to provide leadership on the pitch. And probably one or two very good players at their peak to be competitive.  

 

Right now I feel we need to add some quality and experience all over the pitch. 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

He sounds like a good defender with potential. Although I would still like to see a high calibre centre back signed - my top target would be Caleta-Car.

I'd have gone balls out for James Tarkowski, but we wont.

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6 minutes ago, Badger said:

Disappointing to lose one of our prospects, especially that we make a big thing of providing a better pathway etc.

Hes 18 and we're just about to sign a high rated 20 year old keeper for £16m, i expect he doesn't see a pathway.

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