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The Cat

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1 hour ago, Chez said:

I've watched most of the videos of him online and there is not a huge amount in those that suggest he is something special (not that there is much to suggest he is not), but there was one outstanding save low to his right, that was a proper `worldy' where the keeper `pulls a rabbit out of a hat', so to speak, to save it. Top class keepers make very few mistakes AND can pull off dream saves (we would need to combine our two keepers to get that). Not just good saves, but ones you thought were in.  I'm hoping that save is the tip of the iceberg.

However, there is a fuck up in one the games early games for the skates where he drops s simple ball on the edge of the area, that leads directly to a goal, that would have you seething. I'm hoping that is the `one in a season' calamity, and not the tip of a different iceberg.

I think it was just one of those moments. All keepers, even the best, make errors. Look at Allisson, can't remember what game it was but he gave 2 goals away with bad kicks.

Donnarumma has made quite a few this season, Oblak has the odd poor moment as does Mendy. And they are right up there with the best.

As you say it's consistency which is key, and that's something we haven't had in a keeper for a long time.

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EBS1980

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2 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yeah, get that, but for an extra 3.5m we could be in the running for Henderson. Just seems are almost fanatical approach to re-sale value will be our undoing

Plus much higher wages and no doubt signing on fee too. 

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Convict Colony

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I dont know who else we will sign this summer but i am very happy with this dude.

He can apparently kick a football in the direction he wishes, is quick off his line and has a fair chance of savings shots he should.

This could be the most important signing of the summer, his kicking can help the defenders to push up, condense the play for the outfielders to win the ball back and enable quicker turnovers.

Am 100% on the gaz train and if he performs well some big dogs will come calling with cash in a couple of years

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1 hour ago, Chez said:

how's he done at Norwich since he left?

I mean, it’s possible we broke him for good. Or that we shattered his confidence. Fraser Forster lost it for ages too. The got it back. It happens. So not quite the zinger. 

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4 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I dont know who else we will sign this summer but i am very happy with this dude.

He can apparently kick a football in the direction he wishes, is quick off his line and has a fair chance of savings shots he should.

This could be the most important signing of the summer, his kicking can help the defenders to push up, condense the play for the outfielders to win the ball back and enable quicker turnovers.

Am 100% on the gaz train and if he performs well some big dogs will come calling with cash in a couple of years

How long till he is regularly beaten at the near post?

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Signing players with huge potential is a big part of our business model now so I'm cautiously excited about Bazanu so it's not just about him but also about attracting others with high potential. We've been lucky to see a lot of young players with huge potential and it's great when the work out.

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JRM

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3 minutes ago, saintrich said:

Just see Kevin Kilbane tweet to say that Bazunu would get into Everton's side ahead of Pickford. Everyone certainly seems to be raving about him.

Bazuna was playing in league one last season so that sounds like nonsense wind up 

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3 hours ago, goodymatt said:

Sounds like Henderson would be £20m now and £100k/week plus in wages.

Bazunu looks like £10m now, rising to £16m with add ons. Expect his wages will be half of Henderson’s. it’s not just a £4m difference. 

I agree that Henderson would be, at greater cost, a much less risky option. But Bazunu is the Saintsy approach and Henderson would take a huge chunk of our summer budget and wages.

Agreed. Also there is a far less expensive and simpler way of bringing your avatar up to date than relying on us to resign Danny Ings. Get your fiver out pal. 😃

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28 minutes ago, Dank said:

Signing players with huge potential is a big part of our business model now so I'm cautiously excited about Bazanu so it's not just about him but also about attracting others with high potential. We've been lucky to see a lot of young players with huge potential and it's great when the work out.

The "business model" surely is to keep the ball out of our net, Bazuna may be the answer but a few planks of wood nailed across the posts would do the trick as well.

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1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

The "business model" surely is to keep the ball out of our net, Bazuna may be the answer but a few planks of wood nailed across the posts would do the trick as well.

We’ve certainly signed a fair few planks over the last few years as well. 

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EBS1980

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25 minutes ago, JRM said:

If Forest get Henderson will be a great bit of business for them. Proven talent at this level. 

Is one season in PL mean proven? Been plenty of one season wonders. (Not saying he is, but not sure he PL proven after one season?)

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One thing about Henderson going on loan to Forest, would be that they would then only be able to take Garner back on a permanent from United. A player we’ve been linked with this summer and you would hope we would be moving for were he to become available. 

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28 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

Is one season in PL mean proven? Been plenty of one season wonders. (Not saying he is, but not sure he PL proven after one season?)

Wasn't he Sheff Utd p)ayer of the season and also the year they got promoted? always looked a top player when I've seen him, Sheff Utd finished 9th winning many low scoring games thanks to his saves, been wasted at United but still played for them a few times. 

Banzuna has never played higher than league one has he? If we'd signed a player from league one for £12M people would think we were nuts. 

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4 minutes ago, JRM said:

Banzuna has never played higher than league one has he? If we'd signed a player from league one for £12M people would think we were nuts. 

Not merely just a League One keeper, at the age of 20 he is ahead of Liverpool's 2nd choice and Bournemouth's first choice in the Republic of Ireland pecking order.

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saint michael

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Could be good signing. Let’s hope so. 
 

not sure of our business model value sell on unless he truly is world class and we sell him after 2 years.
 

5 year contract.
3 years experience with us. Runs down contract. Sell him with 1 year to go to get value or he runs it down to go for free

world class we sell him early.
Turns out awful we have 5 years of him on high contract. 

clearly players running down contracts challenges our business model. Also great young players hoovered up as bit of a punt by big clubs and not so big clubs with more money. 

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2 hours ago, saintrich said:

Just see Kevin Kilbane tweet to say that Bazunu would get into Everton's side ahead of Pickford. Everyone certainly seems to be raving about him.

fucking hate Pickford...........moaning fucking gob shyte.

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23 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not merely just a League One keeper, at the age of 20 he is ahead of Liverpool's 2nd choice and Bournemouth's first choice in the Republic of Ireland pecking order.

I'll take that with a pinch of salt, International football selection and performances aren't accurate guides to ability, I mean Hungary battered England last night with a young Barnsley lad in midfield shall we buy him as well? 

Fact is Gav played 4 times for Shamrock Rovers in a minor league, Man City took a punt on him and invested a tiny amount (£400k) , never played him themselves , farmed him out to another minor league - league one (Relegated with Rochdale, mid table with Skates) must be laughing getting £12M plus add ons!

This is one for the future I'm sure, he could come good, but certainly not expecting him to be a Premier league standard keeper from the start. 

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2 minutes ago, JRM said:

This is one for the future I'm sure, he could come good, but certainly not expecting him to be a Premier league standard keeper from the start. 

A lot of Saints fans (myself included) thought that about Livramento, but he ended up starting the season. I think McCarthy's issues are so problematic that a decent pre-season could potentially be all it takes for Bazunu to quickly overtake him.

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39 minutes ago, JRM said:

Wasn't he Sheff Utd p)ayer of the season and also the year they got promoted? always looked a top player when I've seen him, Sheff Utd finished 9th winning many low scoring games thanks to his saves, been wasted at United but still played for them a few times. 

Banzuna has never played higher than league one has he? If we'd signed a player from league one for £12M people would think we were nuts. 

like when Arsenal signed Chamberlain from us? League and age matter less than quality.

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

A lot of Saints fans (myself included) thought that about Livramento, but he ended up starting the season. I think McCarthy's issues are so problematic that a decent pre-season could potentially be all it takes for Bazunu to quickly overtake him.

I have always thought McCarthy would be our starter next season, but the fact Ralph didn't play him in the last couple of games when he was fit (and he knew Forster was gone) makes me wonder if the relationship (and Ralphs opinion of him after the Brighton game) is what it was. We shall see.

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7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

A lot of Saints fans (myself included) thought that about Livramento, but he ended up starting the season. I think McCarthy's issues are so problematic that a decent pre-season could potentially be all it takes for Bazunu to quickly overtake him.

Your statement highlights to me why it was so important to bring in a more experienced keeper, McCarthy looks poor and could be out of favour, we're taking a big gamble that he can raise his game from league one. 

Livramento was a cracking player last season but your mistakes at right back can be covered and guided by senior pros around you, not so easy when you're the keeper. 

Let's hope this one pays off. Not against the signing but seems a lot of money for someone so unproven 

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9 minutes ago, Chez said:

I have always thought McCarthy would be our starter next season, but the fact Ralph didn't play him in the last couple of games when he was fit (and he knew Forster was gone) makes me wonder if the relationship (and Ralphs opinion of him after the Brighton game) is what it was. We shall see.

Could end up as Willy being the number one start of the season, i keep forgetting about him .

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1 minute ago, JRM said:

Could end up as Willy being the number one start of the season, i keep forgetting about him .

Can't see that. Happy with that signing though. He did pretty well after the first game nightmare. Pretty decent third choice for a cub like ours.

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10 hours ago, goodymatt said:

Sounds like Henderson would be £20m now and £100k/week plus in wages.

Bazunu looks like £10m now, rising to £16m with add ons. Expect his wages will be half of Henderson’s. 

Would be mental if we are paying 50+ a week on wages for Big Gav. 

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5 hours ago, saint michael said:

Could be good signing. Let’s hope so. 
 

not sure of our business model value sell on unless he truly is world class and we sell him after 2 years.
 

5 year contract.
3 years experience with us. Runs down contract. Sell him with 1 year to go to get value or he runs it down to go for free

world class we sell him early.
Turns out awful we have 5 years of him on high contract. 

clearly players running down contracts challenges our business model. Also great young players hoovered up as bit of a punt by big clubs and not so big clubs with more money. 

I think with these young players, a 5 year contract with one year extension triggered by the club to protect fee value is the way to go. That way you get 3-4 years in and they won't sign an extension to stay, you trigger that clause and say you're open to offers.

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1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

Would be mental if we are paying 50+ a week on wages for Big Gav. 

If his agent was any kind of half decent he'd be arguing that we're signing Gav as first choice to solve all our goalkeeping problems, and as such deserves at least 75% of what the keeper who just left on a free was getting. 

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3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

If his agent was any kind of half decent he'd be arguing that we're signing Gav as first choice to solve all our goalkeeping problems, and as such deserves at least 75% of what the keeper who just left on a free was getting. 

If this happened it would be mental we are paying 50+ a week on his wages. No top flight experience at all, I expect him to be on half that with performance bonuses. 

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35 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

PL average wage is or was 45k per week. Probably higher now. If he's going to be number 1 then it is reasonable for him to demand more than £45k imo

We will never know but reckon he will be on 25k-35k at most.

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11 hours ago, Chez said:

I have always thought McCarthy would be our starter next season, but the fact Ralph didn't play him in the last couple of games when he was fit (and he knew Forster was gone) makes me wonder if the relationship (and Ralphs opinion of him after the Brighton game) is what it was. We shall see.

Eh? McCarthy did play in the last couple of games. 

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17 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yeah, get that, but for an extra 3.5m we could be in the running for Henderson. Just seems are almost fanatical approach to re-sale value will be our undoing

Why will it be our undoing ? We aren’t sure of the whole package here, loan fee, signing fee, wages

Yes we need a GK and hopefully Bazunu fills that gap… but we also need significant strengthening elsewhere too

Im sure our budget isn’t bottomless. So negotiating this window was always going to be tricky

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