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4 minutes ago, Saints foreva said:

https://www.the42.ie/gavin-bazunu-southampton-5791587-Jun2022/

Bazunu deal is worth up to £16.5m according to this. 

It's a lot of money for someone who's only experience of professional league football is playing for a mid table League One club. 

When Palace (I think was Palace, or was it Stoke?)  bought young Jack Butland there was a mini meltdown on here that we should have been in for him as he was destined to be England's number one and we were guaranteed to quadruple our money on him. It didn't quite work out like that for Jack. Or Palace. Or was it Stoke.

What we're doing here feels like a similar gamble. Or, for something more recent, like that time we bought Angus Gunn.

Basically it might work. But it might not. Definitely not a sure thing.

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3 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I guess we all had highish expectations given new ownership and some of the noises coming out of the club. It wasn't unreasonable to expect some early business, you don't wait until the window opens to start looking for players or beginning discussions. 

I agree. Come the end of the season managers must know who is leaving, what positions need strengthening and who they would like to sign depending on available cash. With next season starting earlier due to the Qatar World Cup I hoped we would crack on getting the team in place in good time. Saints often seem to be slow out of the starting blocks compared to many other teams. 

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We have absolutely no reason to believe the club aren't already actively out there with their shortlist negotiating. Just because there's a whole flurry of random paper and agent talk about different plays and different teams doesn't mean we're not diligently going about our transfer business. If the squad has returned from pre-season and we haven't signed a few then by all means kick off, but mid-June? Cut them a smidge of slack...

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1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If this is true, we should be all over this. £20m for him is peanuts. 

£20m isn't peanuts to us though. That would be our transfer record. OK, so that isn't high compared to others, but it's still a sizeable amount of money if you are a self-financing football business.

Not saying he's not worth it or we should not spend it. But is the money even there?

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At least we haven't got goalkeeper coaches that appear to make keepers worse (any more). I have a good feeling about Bazunu. Probably already our number one.

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5 minutes ago, DT said:

At least we haven't got goalkeeper coaches that appear to make keepers worse (any more). I have a good feeling about Bazunu. Probably already our number one.

Only seen him live a couple of times, so haven't got an opinion on his ability, but if DT is happy with him, then I am.

Boy do we need a (potential world class) agile keeper that is safe as houses and decent with the ball. Good luck to him. I hope he is the next Niemi - and totally knocks all our socks off.

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14 minutes ago, Chez said:

£20m isn't peanuts to us though. That would be our transfer record. OK, so that isn't high compared to others, but it's still a sizeable amount of money if you are a self-financing football business.

Not saying he's not worth it or we should not spend it. But is the money even there?

Yeah, get that, but for an extra 3.5m we could be in the running for Henderson. Just seems are almost fanatical approach to re-sale value will be our undoing

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2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yeah, get that, but for an extra 3.5m we could be in the running for Henderson. Just seems are almost fanatical approach to re-sale value will be our undoing

That's assuming that a) the fee in the media is accurate, b) there isn't a substantial loan fee too, and c) his wages wouldn't make it prohibitive regardless. It's rarely as simple as 'if we can only find a few more £million down the sofa we'd be in for X'

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10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yeah, get that, but for an extra 3.5m we could be in the running for Henderson. Just seems are almost fanatical approach to re-sale value will be our undoing

Sounds like Henderson would be £20m now and £100k/week plus in wages.

Bazunu looks like £10m now, rising to £16m with add ons. Expect his wages will be half of Henderson’s. it’s not just a £4m difference. 

I agree that Henderson would be, at greater cost, a much less risky option. But Bazunu is the Saintsy approach and Henderson would take a huge chunk of our summer budget and wages.

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18 minutes ago, Chez said:

Only seen him live a couple of times, so haven't got an opinion on his ability, but if DT is happy with him, then I am.

Boy do we need a (potential world class) agile keeper that is safe as houses and decent with the ball. Good luck to him. I hope he is the next Niemi - and totally knocks all our socks off.

My feeling is very unscientific, just based on seeing a few videos and his clear talent/athleticism, plus the fact that Man City clearly rate him, as does his national team. Maybe re the Henderson thing that would have been too obviously a number one, whereas this looks like he will be 'in contention' with the useless one (despite being possibly better already). Just a thought. Guess he might not to have too much upheaval either if he'd been at Pompey (not that that is too big a deal these days)

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I have just consulted a good friend, a Pompey fanatic and ST holder.

 

Me "What is Bazunu like?"

Him "Amazing, genuinely amazing, we had Real and PSG look at him so respectfully surprised he is coming to you, unless on loan"

 

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7 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I have just consulted a good friend, a Pompey fanatic and ST holder.

 

Me "What is Bazunu like?"

Him "Amazing, genuinely amazing, we had Real and PSG look at him so respectfully surprised he is coming to you, unless on loan"

 

I posted something similar earlier in this thread.  A Pompey supporting pal reckons this lad is the business!

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5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I posted something similar earlier in this thread.  A Pompey supporting pal reckons this lad is the business!

The comments on one of the Youtube video interviews he did all raved about him as the best they had had since David James, and that he will play Champions League

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56 minutes ago, Chez said:

Only seen him live a couple of times, so haven't got an opinion on his ability, but if DT is happy with him, then I am.

Boy do we need a (potential world class) agile keeper that is safe as houses and decent with the ball. Good luck to him. I hope he is the next Niemi - and totally knocks all our socks off.

We need to get some CB’s (or someone to coach defending) else it won’t matter how agile he is m.

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22 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I have just consulted a good friend, a Pompey fanatic and ST holder.

 

Me "What is Bazunu like?"

Him "Amazing, genuinely amazing, we had Real and PSG look at him so respectfully surprised he is coming to you, unless on loan"

 

Got to love Pompey's sense of self-importance and worth, it has no limits ...

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Basically it might work. But it might not. Definitely not a sure thing.

All Saints signings, certainly in the PL, are like this.

I get that with a GK its a little different as 20 is very young but ultimately we have to trust the club and the scouts that they feel he is worth the gamble.

As with all our signings, time will tell.

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9 minutes ago, DT said:

The comments on one of the Youtube video interviews he did all raved about him as the best they had had since David James, and that he will play Champions League

Everything I've read about him is suggesting his potential as very, very high. So i'm excited because of that, slightly nervous due to his inexperience though.

A safer bet was Dean Henderson, but maybe a more forward thinking bet is on this guy (certainly if we're looking for resell)

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1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yeah, get that, but for an extra 3.5m we could be in the running for Henderson. Just seems are almost fanatical approach to re-sale value will be our undoing

maybe, but who knows how much United really want (they asked for a £16.5m loan fee from Newcastle for Lingaard, so your guess is as good as mine) and Henderson may want £120k+ a week wages, which could be a stumbling block. He may not want to come here on a permanent deal. Hard to say. 

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49 minutes ago, DT said:

My feeling is very unscientific, just based on seeing a few videos and his clear talent/athleticism, plus the fact that Man City clearly rate him, as does his national team. Maybe re the Henderson thing that would have been too obviously a number one, whereas this looks like he will be 'in contention' with the useless one (despite being possibly better already). Just a thought. Guess he might not to have too much upheaval either if he'd been at Pompey (not that that is too big a deal these days)

I've watched most of the videos of him online and there is not a huge amount in those that suggest he is something special (not that there is much to suggest he is not), but there was one outstanding save low to his right, that was a proper `worldy' where the keeper `pulls a rabbit out of a hat', so to speak, to save it. Top class keepers make very few mistakes AND can pull off dream saves (we would need to combine our two keepers to get that). Not just good saves, but ones you thought were in.  I'm hoping that save is the tip of the iceberg.

However, there is a fuck up in one the games early games for the skates where he drops s simple ball on the edge of the area, that leads directly to a goal, that would have you seething. I'm hoping that is the `one in a season' calamity, and not the tip of a different iceberg.

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13 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

10 caps  and already first choice is seriously impressive for a 20 year old keeper.

What is the competition like? I honestly am unsure what other keepers Ireland have right now. 

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21 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Everything I've read about him is suggesting his potential as very, very high. So i'm excited because of that, slightly nervous due to his inexperience though.

The Gunn signing and all that money down the drain has left quite a scar on all of us. Lets hope this works out a lot better.

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2 minutes ago, Chez said:

I've watched most of the videos of him online and there is not a huge amount in those that suggest he is something special (not that there is much to suggest he is not), but there was one outstanding save low to his right, that was a proper `worldy' where the keeper `pulls a rabbit out of a hat', so to speak, to save it. Top class keepers make very few mistakes AND can pull off dream saves (we would need to combine our two keepers to get that). Not just good saves, but ones you thought were in.  I'm hoping that save is the tip of the iceberg.

However, there is a fuck up in one the games early games for the skates where he drops s simple ball on the edge of the area, that leads directly to a goal, that would have you seething. I'm hoping that is the `one in a season' calamity, and not the tip of a different iceberg.

His positioning looked excellent to me, meaning he was in precisely the right spot to make saves look easy. So many keepers fail at this and have to do 'television' saves to get them out of trouble. It's a small set, sure, but on first looks he seems good to me. Does the basics, and looks an athlete with good 'fast twitch'. For me it's llke wicket keepers. You shouldn't notice them

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24 minutes ago, Badger said:

Got to love Pompey's sense of self-importance and worth, it has no limits ...

To be fair, if he was watched by the european giants and he is coming to us, at the risky end of the PL table, his reaction is not unreasonable.

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2 minutes ago, Chez said:

The Gunn signing and all that money down the drain has left quite a scar on all of us. Lets hope this works out a lot better.

I suspect Gunn was a great prospect not helped by our old goalkeeping coaches

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

When Palace (I think was Palace, or was it Stoke?)  bought young Jack Butland there was a mini meltdown on here that we should have been in for him as he was destined to be England's number one and we were guaranteed to quadruple our money on him. It didn't quite work out like that for Jack. Or Palace. Or was it Stoke.

What we're doing here feels like a similar gamble. Or, for something more recent, like that time we bought Angus Gunn.

Basically it might work. But it might not. Definitely not a sure thing.

No signing is a sure thing, particularly not at GK where mistakes are magnified.

Kepa when Chelsea signed him was seen as the next big Spanish prospect, next Casillas etc. A few mistakes later and his stock has plummeted. 

Bazuna will make mistakes, all GKs do. Hopefully he is given the necessary time to develop. I still think having a strong CB and DM contingent in front of him will make the world of difference. He can be the best GK around but if we're allowing upwards of 10 shots on target per game then its going to be difficult for any GK

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4 minutes ago, Chez said:

The Gunn signing and all that money down the drain has left quite a scar on all of us. Lets hope this works out a lot better.

Yeah, I think that's what it is. Although I don't remember the clamor as much re: Gunn, I think he was seen as a decent English keeper as opposed to a potential superstar. This guy from all I'm reading sounds like a potential superstar in the making, Tino levels in goal. It's a gamble which makes me nervous in such a big position, but the rewards if it's successful will be huge for us.

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9 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

To be fair, if he was watched by the european giants and he is coming to us, at the risky end of the PL table, his reaction is not unreasonable.

True, not knocking the conclusion he's drawn at all.

Whilst your mate and reasonable Pompey supporters will probably look on and watch how he progresses I expect there will be some who already take the view "he was just a bit shit when he was with them.." and will delight in shouting about it at the start of next season.

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7 minutes ago, Badger said:

True, not knocking the conclusion he's drawn at all.

Whilst your mate and reasonable Pompey supporters will probably look on and watch how he progresses I expect there will be some who already take the view "he was just a bit shit when he was with them.." and will delight in shouting about it at the start of next season.

So, just like us then 😉 

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1 hour ago, Chez said:

What is the competition like? I honestly am unsure what other keepers Ireland have right now. 

Caohmin Kelleher, whom Klopp rates extremely highly has been their most recent keeper of choice, and will probably be Bazunu's main competition in the next few years for the No 1 Ireland spot. They also have Bournemouth keeper Mark Travers who isn't bad too so they have 3 young good keepers coming through. 

 

With Caballero supposedly retained, I guess that's our three keepers sewn up. With McCarthy the liability we know he can be, I'm really hoping Bazunu steps up and proves to be top stuff even at a young age.

 

Now please sort the attacking side of issues out. Yes we need a CB, RB cover and CM but the lack of decent AMs and Strikers worries me.

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Real and PSG never looked at Gavin. However, he is rated so highly by Pompey, some rate him more than David James. Also worth remembering the Michael Poke connection who is the lead GK coach at Pompey and worked with Gav last season. Off the pitch he's a cracking lad, very unassuming and keeps himself to himself, put him in an 18 yard and you see a different side. Made two mistakes last season attempting to 'play out from the back' which are the exception, his ability in possession typically is excellent both with the ball on the floor and in his hands. 

I witnessed arguably the greatest live save I've seen last season at FP from Gavin, so I have nothing other than positive things to say about him.

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