Summer 2022 Transfer Window

[Lee On Solent Saint]

42 minutes ago, trousers said:

Would have him back if they'd sell around the £10m - £15m mark

Would divide the fan base

[Matthew Le God]

8 minutes ago, Mr X said:

New contracts to long and cabrero is all you need to know about where our club is going 

Long's wife has denied him being offered a new deal. Cabellero as 3rd choice for 1 more season is hardly a bad move. Have you seen the list of 3rd choice kerpers at other PL clubs, including the top ones? What kind of keeper do you think would be willing to be 3rd choice?

Edited 11 June, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[HarvSFC]

The club scream poverty whenever they speak to the media, while handing out deals to Stephens, McCarthy, Walcott, Long and reportedly Elyounoussi. Their wages combined must be over £250k a week, assuming they are all earning over £50k as Premier League footballers. A million pound a month, £12m a year on players who contribute the bare minimum to our side and who if we want to get any better we should be replacing. I like Long and said as much in his thread when it was reported that he was going back to Reading. However, I just can't see how the club can justify extending a 35 year old, who started 3 matches last season. His previous extension was debatable, but he had just come off the season where he played a big part in the partnership with Ings, creating more space for him, etc. However, that partnership never really played again the following season with the emergence of Adams and with the loan to Bournemouth I thought the club may have viewed that extension as a mistake, but apparently not. We just need to be more ruthless, really. The best players shoot off as soon as possible, while we hand out life time contracts to those who are never going to help us to progress and then hinder us with the wage bill, as I keep seeing graphs where our wage bill is actually quite high. It's not just the first team either, as even Ramsay and N'Lundulu have had extensions over the past year and they're simply never going to make it here. 

For JWP, it would have to be silly money for him to go. He was our top scorer last season, from a deep midfield position. I know he has few open play goals, but the world class free kicks is something we wouldn't be able to replace. 

As for Ings, I'm unsure. Last time we signed him he had a point to prove after Liverpool and was looking to get back to that level as well as the England team after a torrid time with injuries. He spent the summer we signed him permanently training for the most part. Then, we all thought he'd actually go to a Champions League side, but he went to Villa, which was a surprise, but we did get a good deal for him given his contract situation. Now, it feels like his career is heading on a natural downward slope given his age and if we did sign him and he continues with his current form, then that again would be a mistake, as nobody would take him off us then. I'd have to echo what others have said and go with the loan option, if that is an option.

[swannymere]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Would divide the fan base

 

 People have short memories and once he's scored a few goals they'd forget any grudge.

[Lighthouse]

I wouldn’t have Ings back because he’s 30 and not especially good. Single figures for Villa, including a couple of pens.

[cloggy saint]

5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Would divide the fan base

And?

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Would divide the fan base

We ain’t exactly United at the best of times

[Pamplemousse]

Absolutely yes to Ings coming back. As a striker he fits what Ralph wants to do perfectly. I suppose you could say though that if we're willing to fork out for him than we'd be better off going for Broja, so we'll see.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I would be incredibly disappointed if we sell JWP to anyone other than a Champions League team. That would show me the club has no ambition.

My own gut feeling is that he'll stay. He's too important for us IMO.

[The Kraken]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Long's wife has denied him being offered a new deal.

Not quite. She has called into question Saints statement that they are ‘in talks’, saying that the phone hasn’t rung. It’s possible that Saints have made a very low offer which has been turned down and the club hasn’t come back with a revised offer (yet). Or it could be that a deal indeed hasn’t yet been offered but Long is still under contract and the club are waiting it out.

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said:

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I would be incredibly disappointed if we sell JWP to anyone other than a Champions League team. That would show me the club has no ambition.

I literally only care about the price, for £200m we could sell him to Bradford for all I care.

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I would be incredibly disappointed if we sell JWP to anyone other than a Champions League team. That would show me the club has no ambition.

If Saints sold Ward-Prowse for £70m to Man Utd and added the vast majority of that money to their transfer pot and spent it on some quality players that improved the starting XI... would that still equal having 'no ambition'?

Edited 11 June, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[Pamplemousse]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

If Saints sold Ward-Prowse for £70m to Man Utd and added the vast majority of that money to their transfer pot and spent itbon some quality players... would that still equal having 'no ambition'?

I'll allow you that one

[Pamplemousse]

5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Not quite. She has called into question Saints statement that they are ‘in talks’, saying that the phone hasn’t rung. It’s possible that Saints have made a very low offer which has been turned down and the club hasn’t come back with a revised offer (yet). Or it could be that a deal indeed hasn’t yet been offered but Long is still under contract and the club are waiting it out.

Wouldn't we be talking to his agent anyway rather than him directly?

[disconnect]

Long was incredibly lucky to get his last extension - If we give him a new contract now that would be ridiculous. A move to Reading made sense and he’d still have an impact at that level at a club where he’s held in high regard, so fingers crossed it works out!

[S-Clarke]

I would say it's too big of a risk to sell JWP this summer. If he keeps progressing it's inevitable he will go, but we need to avoid being blinded by the $$ this summer.

If he goes we're not left with anything really, we would in all intents and purposes have to start again which is too big a task. I know people will point to Koemans first season, but don't forget we kept hold of Clyne, Morgan, Wanyama, Rodriguez, Fonte etc who were also very highly sought after and successful players for us, so it was a decent base to build from and absorb the loss of so many good players.

If we do that now and have the attitude of replacing all then we will have to be incredibly lucky, because we would simply need every signing to work out. I would say we did similar with Ings last summer, we didn't have anyone at the club who could absorb his departure so we needed to get lucky on his replacement, which sadly we didn't if we're honest. We're lucky in the sense that it didn't hit as as hard as it could have.

My idea would be to build this summer and add more players to the base who can grow, to add to KWP, Tino, Salisu etc and then we could potentially absorb a JWP sale a little easier.

So my view is that whatever anyone offers, it's not enough for us this summer. We've got to hold our nerve on this one.

Edited 11 June, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Bad Wolf]

Not wanting Ings back on practical grounds such as transfer fees, injury issues etc is one thing but anyone who wouldn't have him back purely because he left needs to get a grip. There aren't any on here as far as I've seen but the Twitter/Facebook comments are ridiculous.

He left for a job at a bigger company and significantly more money. I'd have done the same and unlike Ings I have an actual affiliation to the club (he isn't a Saints fan contrary to popular belief).

I wouldn't pay £15 Million for him as suggested above but I'd probably go to £10 Million. 

[Sunglasses Ron]

4 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

I wouldn't pay £15 Million for him as suggested above but I'd probably go to £10 Million. 

I'd pay £15m all day long!

[Weston Super Saint]

58 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Not quite. She has called into question Saints statement that they are ‘in talks’, saying that the phone hasn’t rung.

That's because she doesn't know about his 'other' phone  

[AlexLaw76]

Starting to like our new set-up

 

[UpweySaint]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Not wanting Ings back on practical grounds such as transfer fees, injury issues etc is one thing but anyone who wouldn't have him back purely because he left needs to get a grip. There aren't any on here as far as I've seen but the Twitter/Facebook comments are ridiculous.

He left for a job at a bigger company and significantly more money. I'd have done the same and unlike Ings I have an actual affiliation to the club (he isn't a Saints fan contrary to popular belief).

I wouldn't pay £15 Million for him as suggested above but I'd probably go to £10 Million. 

Seconded. He wasn't particularly a billy big boll*cks about moving on and never claimed to be a die-hard saints fan. So long as he hasn't burnt bridges behind closed doors I don't see any issue with him returning - he is well suited to us and it doesn't look like Villa fancy him so there should be a deal to be had.

For the right price I would take him back. Ideal scenario we shift Armstrong and Long then bring Ings +1 with potential in. Ings and Adams are a decent pairing but we would need some cover without going OTT - in a crisis Redmond or possibly one of the academy boys could go up top.

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Starting to like our new set-up

 

Can we send them Stephens, Walcott, Djenepo and long as well?

[Lighthouse]

What are the penalties for fly tipping in Turkiye?

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

What are the penalties for fly tipping in Turkiye?

A look of disapproval as the restaurants prefer you to give the money to the waiters

Edited 11 June, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[le_tiss]

surprised we are not in for 

'Morocco captain Romain Saiss has announced he is leaving English Premier League side Wolverhampton Wanderers after six years.' he 32-year-old is out of contract and no agreement has been reached over a new deal. Was on a massive £30k pw there by all accounts and wanted an increase

BIOGRAPHY

Capable of playing in defence or midfield, Romain Saiss has been a key member of the Wolves group since his arrival in 2016.

Saiss originally joined Wolves from Ligue 1 side Angers in August 2016 and has gone on to play more than 150 times for the old gold.

Previously Saiss had spent his entire career in France, initially with Valence, Clermont and Le Havre.

The Moroccan international then enjoyed a season at Angers, making 35 appearances, which earnt him a move to Wolves.

It was in his second season at Molineux where Saiss came to the fore alongside Ruben Neves, as Wolves earned promotion to the Premier League.

After representing Morocco at the 2018 World Cup, Saiss cast his hand on the top flight and played in a back three regularly under former head coach Nuno Espirito Santo.

Always a threat from set pieces, the international captain scored three times during the 2019/20 season, against Sheffield United, Tottenham Hotspur and Brighton & Hove Albion.

 

https://www.wolves.co.uk/teams/mens-first-team/romain-saiss/

[Saint Matty 76]

Leno going to Fulham, fee will be interesting and I'm imagining quite cheap.

Would've liked it.

[Bad Wolf]

22 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Seconded. He wasn't particularly a billy big boll*cks about moving on and never claimed to be a die-hard saints fan. So long as he hasn't burnt bridges behind closed doors I don't see any issue with him returning - he is well suited to us and it doesn't look like Villa fancy him so there should be a deal to be had.

For the right price I would take him back. Ideal scenario we shift Armstrong and Long then bring Ings +1 with potential in. Ings and Adams are a decent pairing but we would need some cover without going OTT - in a crisis Redmond or possibly one of the academy boys could go up top.

I went to school with the boy, I was a year above him. What nobody seems to remember in their pretentious "OMG THERE'S NO LOYALTY IN FOOTBALL FROM PLAYERS" quests is that when he was about 11, we cast him aside like an empty bag of crisps with no aftercare what so ever and from what I remember, it wasn't even a particularly nice way of letting him go either. Something like a letter or a templated email to his parents I seem to recall.

Funny how that's always overlooked.

[UpweySaint]

3 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

I went to school with the boy, I was a year above him. What nobody seems to remember in their pretentious "OMG THERE'S NO LOYALTY IN FOOTBALL FROM PLAYERS" quests is that when he was about 11, we cast him aside like an empty bag of crisps with no aftercare what so ever and from what I remember, it wasn't even a particularly nice way of letting him go either. Something like a letter or a templated email to his parents I seem to recall.

Funny how that's always overlooked.

Fair point. 'Loyalty' in football is a funny concept and gets banded about a lot without much real consideration. Either way I hope our aftercare has improved from those days - football is ultimately a business but I think most of our want our club to try to demonstrate good values where possible.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

I went to school with the boy, I was a year above him. What nobody seems to remember in their pretentious "OMG THERE'S NO LOYALTY IN FOOTBALL FROM PLAYERS" quests is that when he was about 11, we cast him aside like an empty bag of crisps with no aftercare what so ever and from what I remember, it wasn't even a particularly nice way of letting him go either. Something like a letter or a templated email to his parents I seem to recall.

Funny how that's always overlooked.

Heard that story before from other people. A very dismissive way to do things especially the hype we give our own academy and doing things properly. Ings was great for us always seemed a good character but I wouldn’t want him back now time to move on 

[Bad Wolf]

4 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Fair point. 'Loyalty' in football is a funny concept and gets banded about a lot without much real consideration. Either way I hope our aftercare has improved from those days - football is ultimately a business but I think most of our want our club to try to demonstrate good values where possible.

I think I remember someone on here or Reddit or whatever a couple of years ago saying their son had just been released age 16 and Saints helped him find a new club and kept tabs on him etc. So I believe our aftercare has massively improved.

Football is a business, clubs are brands, players are employees and fans are customers. That's the way it is. I don't see why players should show any kind of loyalty when they don't get the same back.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Valery and Djenepo will both be loaned out this season, subsidised wages, and see out their final year away from the club.

They won’t be in RH’s plans. But if they are, god help us.

In terms of incomings I think Bazanu will be announced in maybe a weeks time, and then I don’t think we’ll make anymore signings until early July.

[OldNick]

I hope the links to Minami-NO is not true!!!

[Forester]

I would take Ings back for either season loan or half the money we got.  But you would have to budget that he would start probably only 15 games.  Even so he would get you five goals, and so you need two front line goal scorers who are going to get you 12 to 15 each in addition to Ings.  
 

The Minamino who played for Liverpool last season looked a big upgrade on the loan version we saw

[SuperSAINT]

 

[beatlesaint]

So Ings agent rings Semmens “Hello Martin, is that big bucks 4 year contract for Danny still in your desk drawer?” 

[Sarnia Cherie]

4 hours ago, Appy said:

Yep definitely. 
 

As for JWP, the people saying “take the money and rebuild” are talking nonsense, we already need several players to stay on a decent footing, if we sell him then we’re losing our only game changing player and someone who constantly digs us out of holes (Leeds and Brighton away for example) if he goes, we go down. 

I appreciate we are always at risk of losing our better players but there must come a time when enough is enough and we must do our very best to retain the likes of JWP and KWP and improve the remainder of the team around our top players, otherwise we will always be a bottom third of the league club.

[OldNick]

13 minutes ago, Forester said:

 

The Minamino who played for Liverpool last season looked a big upgrade on the loan version we saw

I suspect he would look better as the quality and aura of those around him. He is too lightweight IMo 

[stknowle]

3 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Absolutely yes to Ings coming back. As a striker he fits what Ralph wants to do perfectly. I suppose you could say though that if we're willing to fork out for him than we'd be better off going for Broja, so we'll see.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I would be incredibly disappointed if we sell JWP to anyone other than a Champions League team. That would show me the club has no ambition.

My own gut feeling is that he'll stay. He's too important for us IMO.

Why the hell does who we sell him to have any reflection whatsoever on our ambitions as a club? 

[Smirking_Saint]

31 minutes ago, Forester said:

I would take Ings back for either season loan or half the money we got.  But you would have to budget that he would start probably only 15 games.  Even so he would get you five goals, and so you need two front line goal scorers who are going to get you 12 to 15 each in addition to Ings.  
 

The Minamino who played for Liverpool last season looked a big upgrade on the loan version we saw

He fits their system, Im not convinced he fits ours

[gallaghert366@yahoo.com]

3 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Not wanting Ings back on practical grounds such as transfer fees, injury issues etc is one thing but anyone who wouldn't have him back purely because he left needs to get a grip. There aren't any on here as far as I've seen but the Twitter/Facebook comments are ridiculous.

He left for a job at a bigger company and significantly more money. I'd have done the same and unlike Ings I have an actual affiliation to the club (he isn't a Saints fan contrary to popular belief).

I wouldn't pay £15 Million for him as suggested above but I'd probably go to £10 Million. 

I'm pleased that you're not in charge of the kitty.

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Toadhall Saint]

21 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Don’t know a lot about him but he’s a CB.

[AlexLaw76]

Your social media feeds will explode very soon, about how Nunez is the greatest ever striker, better than Haaland, Mbappe and Kane combined.

[Toussaint]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Your social media feeds will explode very soon, about how Nunez is the greatest ever striker, better than Haaland, Mbappe and Kane combined.

Nothing this far on the classic motorcycle bike hub? 

[HarvSFC]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Your social media feeds will explode very soon, about how Nunez is the greatest ever striker, better than Haaland, Mbappe and Kane combined.

Did you know that the departure of Loris Karius on a free transfer funded the Nunez move?

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

1 hour ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Don’t know a lot about him but he’s a CB.

Here's his YouTube video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVI2z586hpU

It looks like he is two-footed which is plus point. I know videos are not the greatest for really assessing a player's abilities but in these moments at least he seems to be fairly focussed on what matters from a defender - defending. In that regard he could be a big step up from Salisu who sometimes goes walkabout and forgets that priority!

Also, it looks like he has played 5 times for the Bayern first team, butwas on loan last season at Hoffenheim. Check out his wikipedia details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Richards_(soccer)

Edited 11 June, 2022 by SaintJackoInHurworth
Forgot to include Wikipedia link

[SambaMaverick]

Looks like more bargain bin bollocks to me, Kevin Danso 2.0

[Matthew Le God]

39 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Here's his YouTube video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVI2z586hpU

It looks like he is two-footed which is plus point.

Enables him to stand unaided

[DT]

6 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I would say it's too big of a risk to sell JWP this summer. If he keeps progressing it's inevitable he will go, but we need to avoid being blinded by the $$ this summer.

If he goes we're not left with anything really, we would in all intents and purposes have to start again which is too big a task. I know people will point to Koemans first season, but don't forget we kept hold of Clyne, Morgan, Wanyama, Rodriguez, Fonte etc who were also very highly sought after and successful players for us, so it was a decent base to build from and absorb the loss of so many good players.

If we do that now and have the attitude of replacing all then we will have to be incredibly lucky, because we would simply need every signing to work out. I would say we did similar with Ings last summer, we didn't have anyone at the club who could absorb his departure so we needed to get lucky on his replacement, which sadly we didn't if we're honest. We're lucky in the sense that it didn't hit as as hard as it could have.

My idea would be to build this summer and add more players to the base who can grow, to add to KWP, Tino, Salisu etc and then we could potentially absorb a JWP sale a little easier.

So my view is that whatever anyone offers, it's not enough for us this summer. We've got to hold our nerve on this one.

I think he’ll go and it’s just about the price. And spending some of that before it gets out (or risk inflated prices). Reckon he’ll go to Spurs. 70m isn’t enough. But will be around that. If they throw in Winks or offer something silly plus Winks it’s all over. 

[Chez]

7 hours ago, Appy said:

Yep definitely. 
 

As for JWP, the people saying “take the money and rebuild” are talking nonsense, we already need several players to stay on a decent footing, if we sell him then we’re losing our only game changing player and someone who constantly digs us out of holes (Leeds and Brighton away for example) if he goes, we go down. 

isn't that what was said about allowing Ings to leave? "We'd go down". They weren't far off the mark mind you, but you can sell your best player and improve.

[Smirking_Saint]

58 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Here's his YouTube video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVI2z586hpU

It looks like he is two-footed which is plus point. I know videos are not the greatest for really assessing a player's abilities but in these moments at least he seems to be fairly focussed on what matters from a defender - defending. In that regard he could be a big step up from Salisu who sometimes goes walkabout and forgets that priority!

Also, it looks like he has played 5 times for the Bayern first team, butwas on loan last season at Hoffenheim. Check out his wikipedia details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Richards_(soccer)

Looking at his stats for the last year he looks promising (can be found here - https://fbref.com/en/players/0a3d6d2b/Chris-Richards), decent passer of the ball, good in the air.. defensive stats like blocks/interceptions are at times dependent on tactics and Im not sure how Hoffenheim play really

Generally speaking Im not sure Id be against this but I do think someone like Mee would be a better option