Summer 2022 Transfer Window

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

He is going to be a top player. Unfortunately I think Spurs have a very good manager now and they are on the up

This is the annoying thing. These big clubs are not just buying £60m talent from Europe, they are also cleaning up the genuine talent from the championship. Fabio Carvelho was the guy to get, but we had no chance. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

I’ve heard we’re happy for Armstrong to go as long as we get a decent fee for him. If Boro offered us £12-15m I would expect him to go, and probably do a good job there. 

Not saying you are wrong, but didn’t Ralph recently say that Armstrong was still very much part of a long term project here?

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Not saying you are wrong, but didn’t Ralph recently say that Armstrong was still very much part of a long term project here?

Yeah and Ralph also said the players hadn't gone on holiday in May. Full of shit

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

This is the annoying thing. These big clubs are not just buying £60m talent from Europe, they are also cleaning up the genuine talent from the championship. Fabio Carvelho was the guy to get, but we had no chance. 

Agreed - there was a time when a club like ours got these players and sold them on later for a profit. Seems those days are gone for top talent out of the lower leagues

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Agreed - there was a time when a club like ours got these players and sold them on later for a profit. Seems those days are gone for top talent out of the lower leagues

I guess you could argue Che and Armstrong were both Championship talents, but not sure either was in the class of Lallana, Sessegnon, Carvelho, Spance or Brennan Johnson. We shall see. I guess Armstrong could come good and Spence may not be the real deal...

[woodsaint1]

Absolute nonsense this argument that Long 'is great for the dressing room' or 'good to have his experience around'. Hes a striker paid to put the ball in the net and has been woefully bad at doing that ever since Koeman left. He doesnt deserve an extension, didnt deserve one last time either. Could have done with getting his wages off the books.

We already have Walcott, McCarthy and Stephens, all seemingly good for the dressing room, but not good enough for the pitch. Absolutely baffling from Ralph and we're going to trust his judgement when deciding on transfer targets 🤦🏽‍♂️

[Saint_clark]

17 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

A signing I would be very happy/excited about but honestly don't see us making. Prove me wrong saints.

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Not saying you are wrong, but didn’t Ralph recently say that Armstrong was still very much part of a long term project here?

See what you did there  

[whiteleySaint30]

7 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Absolute nonsense this argument that Long 'is great for the dressing room' or 'good to have his experience around'. Hes a striker paid to put the ball in the net and has been woefully bad at doing that ever since Koeman left. He doesnt deserve an extension, didnt deserve one last time either. Could have done with getting his wages off the books.

We already have Walcott, McCarthy and Stephens, all seemingly good for the dressing room, but not good enough for the pitch. Absolutely baffling from Ralph and we're going to trust his judgement when deciding on transfer targets 🤦🏽‍♂️

Someone that talks sense - 100% spot on..........

[BotleySaint]

Only June the 11th but so far the window has a very "Saintsy" feel to it. Problems in every position and we are gambling on youth signings and offering new contracts for those just hanging on.

Plenty of time to go eh.

Edited 11 June, 2022 by BotleySaint

[JRM]

36 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Only June the 11th but so far the window has a very "Saintsy" feel to it. Problems in every position and we are gambling on youth signings and offering new contracts for those just hanging on.

Plenty of time to go eh.

If we do lose Broja, Long and Armstrong there's quite a bit of work to do filling our forward positions. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Billy the Kidd]

[Chez]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

If we do lose Broja, Long and Armstrong there's quite a bit of work to do filling our forward positions. 

We signed two strikers last summer, so we can do that again this summer. I think we will all be a nervous if we just go with Che, Long and Armstrong.

[Roboze]

18 hours ago, Rebel said:

Letting Forster go on a Free and giving McCarthy a contract extension (although this might have come down to salary demands) when Fraser was the better keeper

Giving McCarthy and Stephens contract extensions and then not announcing them.

Keeping Harry Lewis sitting around for no apparent reason for a couple of seasons as cover - before letting him go one a free - and when you did need him me signing Caballero (a 40 year old) to play instead.

Retaining Caballero as cover / 3rd choice keeper when this should be a your B team keeper and you already have McCarthy for this role anyway.

Supposedly signing Bazunu to be your number 1 when you have kept McCarthy for that role. 

Keeping 3 failed goal keeping coaches as the 3 first team coaches for a couple of years when they were never up to the job (and appointing them in the first place)

Giving Walcott a  2 year deal on £75K a week (reportedly) when he's apparently not good enough to play regularly.

Giving Shane Long a contract extension last time when he should have been released - and then saying you are in discussions about another one when you are not according to his wife.

Signing Adam Armstrong and playing Long ahead of him. 

Not sacking a manager who has lost 9-0 twice - and finished with less points than last season (and giving that manager a 2 year contract extension at £7M per year meaning you can't afford to sack him).

I could probably go on

We are not exactly well managed are we?  (And that's just on the football side - lets not talk about the kit fiasco of recent years)

Is Crocker DoF or just 'director of football operations' or head of the academy?

It looks to me like we need to appoint someone / a Director of Football to take control of it all and give us some sort of plan. It doesn't really feel like we have one at the moment.  

And its maybe time for a new MD as well.

 

anyone else read that like the scene from trainspotting? 

 

[beatlesaint]

10 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Not saying you are wrong, but didn’t Ralph recently say that Armstrong was still very much part of a long term project here?

I stopped listening to Ralph and taking it as gospel a while ago. The whole "Forster has a future here" blah blah blah was absolute bullshit as we all knew McCarthy had signed a new deal and Forster had already turned one down. He just gives answers to questions, they rarely prove to be accurate anymore.

Edited 11 June, 2022 by beatlesaint

[Baird of the land]

It will be really odd if we re-sign Long. For a club that's meant to be all about the pathway re-signing a 35 yr old makese zero sense. He was a valuable member of Koeman's team and a decent servant but time moves on.

[Dusic]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

As ever, money talks. If they double his cash then he will push to go. 

Saints in a very strong position to name a price so hard to be too concerned as either we keep him or get a whopping fee.

[Matthew Le God]

9 minutes ago, Dusic said:

As ever, money talks. If they double his cash then he will push to go. 

They probably will at some point in the coming years, but do you think Newcastle are going to be offering wages of £200k+ to players this summer? 🤔 

[Dorchester Saint]

I wouldn’t be against selling JWP while his stock is so high, provided that every penny re-invested in the squad. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

1 minute ago, Dorchester Saint said:

I wouldn’t be against selling JWP while his stock is so high, provided that every penny re-invested in the squad. 

Not that simple though is it. Every penny would need re-investing on players who will improve the first team. Look what happened with the VVD money for example!

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

They probably will at some point in the coming years, but do you think Newcastle are going to be offering wages of £200k+ to players this summer? 🤔 

Probably not but you do know how fricking rich they are right?

[Gingeletiss]

2 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Not that simple though is it. Every penny would need re-investing on players who will improve the first team. Look what happened with the VVD money for example!

Also, the player has got to want the transfer. Too many FM players on here.

[SuperSAINT]

24 minutes ago, Dusic said:

As ever, money talks. If they double his cash then he will push to go. 

Saints in a very strong position to name a price so hard to be too concerned as either we keep him or get a whopping fee.

Yeah, there’s always a chance as they are so well funded.  File it under “one to watch”.

[Chez]

11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

They probably will at some point in the coming years, but do you think Newcastle are going to be offering wages of £200k+ to players this summer? 🤔 

If they could attract the quality of player to sign that is `deserving' of a £200k a week contract, I'm sure they will. Right now, they just can't attract that guy, so don't need to offer that wage. At some point they are going to have to sign a Robino and overpay to break that seal. At the moment (f they follow the City model) they are in the Lescott et al signing phase, which would make JWP a good option.

[Chez]

12 minutes ago, Dorchester Saint said:

I wouldn’t be against selling JWP while his stock is so high, provided that every penny re-invested in the squad. 

If we don't sell, we'll probably need to sell someone else (that we'd prefer to keep) this or next summer to balance the books. Salisu or KWP for example.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

If we don't sell, we'll probably need to sell someone else (that we'd prefer to keep) this or next summer to balance the books. Salisu or KWP for example.

Out of the three you mention, I wouldn't be adverse to selling Salisu. 

[Chez]

34 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

It will be really odd if we re-sign Long. For a club that's meant to be all about the pathway re-signing a 35 yr old makese zero sense. He was a valuable member of Koeman's team and a decent servant but time moves on.

Good point, but have we got a young player's path to be blocked?

If we sign one, like we loaned Broja, Long ain't getting in the way.

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Out of the three you mention, I wouldn't be adverse to selling Salisu. 

We apparently turned down the £40m move to Newcastle in January.  No noises since, Burn obviously signed and Botman seems to be their target now. Lets hope he has a stormer of a season, but he'll be down to one year on his contract next summer, so might not be the big sale we will need at some point.

[Matthew Le God]

 

 

Edited 11 June, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

100m deal and he is yours. We could get 10 new first team young'uns for that.

[sadoldgit]

48 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I stopped listening to Ralph and taking it as gospel a while ago. The whole "Forster has a future here" blah blah blah was absolute bullshit as we all knew McCarthy had signed a new deal and Forster had already turned one down. He just gives answers to questions, they rarely prove to be accurate anymore.

He could have chosen to stay as there was an offer on the table but he chose to go which is fair enough and doesn’t make Ralph’s statement wrong. The days when managers controlled who came and went are long gone and it is little surprise that he is not fully in the loop.The situation with Ings is a case in point where Ralph clearly thought he might be staying but Ings couldn’t wait to hit foot it to Villa. I wonder how much say he had in the retention of Stephens, McCarthy and if he stays, Long? He is hardly going to come out and say they are not good enough and I don’t want them here but I am stuck with them.

[trousers]

29 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Not that simple though is it. Every penny would need re-investing on players who will improve the first team. Look what happened with the VVD money for example!

Isn't that because we were a 'sell before we can buy club' at that point in time? Ergo, we were at a disadvantage in the transfer market because clubs knew we had the VvD money swilling around. We're now told we can reverse that operating module under our current owners. As such, if we know we can sell JWP for a similar sum then we can get his replacements in before we sell rather than after, and so should be able to get more bang for our buck... (?)

[Mr Saints]

JWP was completely non committal about his future on media duty yesterday, thank god we sorted that contract last year. If he did go, I’d bite your arm off for 17th place.   

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

£100million or they're wasting their time.

[trousers]

10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

Would have him back if they'd sell around the £10m - £15m mark

[Appy]

Just now, trousers said:

Would have him back if they'd sell around the £10m - £15m mark

Yep definitely. 
 

As for JWP, the people saying “take the money and rebuild” are talking nonsense, we already need several players to stay on a decent footing, if we sell him then we’re losing our only game changing player and someone who constantly digs us out of holes (Leeds and Brighton away for example) if he goes, we go down. 

[SambaMaverick]

14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

Terrible source but it's definitely worth trying to pull their pants down on a season-long loan, or at the very most matching his current contract.

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, Appy said:

Yep definitely. 
 

As for JWP, the people saying “take the money and rebuild” are talking nonsense, we already need several players to stay on a decent footing, if we sell him then we’re losing our only game changing player and someone who constantly digs us out of holes (Leeds and Brighton away for example) if he goes, we go down. 

It would be a very big hole to fill. But in a situation where he did go for huge money, would you not at least wait and see who replaced him before writing off the season?

[Appy]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

It would be a very big hole to fill. But in a situation where he did go for huge money, would you not at least wait and see who replaced him before writing off the season?

Obviously it’s all hypothetical and of course I would, but with the current market and he’s got so much premier league experience, I just think he is so so difficult to replace. I can’t see him going this summer anyway, just can’t see anyone spending the money we would want to even entertain it. 

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Terrible source but it's definitely worth trying to pull their pants down on a season-long loan, or at the very most matching his current contract.

I said on the other thread about this, he’s on £120K a week and two years on his contract. He also turns 30 in July. If a loan is available at half wages then it would be appealing, otherwise it’s unlikely I’d have thought.

[Dusic]

8 minutes ago, Appy said:

Yep definitely. 
 

As for JWP, the people saying “take the money and rebuild” are talking nonsense, we already need several players to stay on a decent footing, if we sell him then we’re losing our only game changing player and someone who constantly digs us out of holes (Leeds and Brighton away for example) if he goes, we go down. 

Re JWP reality is that as soon as a club offers him significantly more cash than we can get anywhere near matching, and he wishes to go then its very difficult to keep him - especially when he has given Saints good service and seen lots of others being allowed to go.

We also don't know what kind of gentlemens agreements were made as part of his contract.

Whether Newcastle are the team to get him away from us, who knows? But if someone seriously does move for him and he wants to go then logic and history tells us he will go.

Edited 11 June, 2022 by Dusic

[SambaMaverick]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I said on the other thread about this, he’s on £120K a week and two years on his contract. He also turns 30 in July. If a loan is available at half wages then it would be appealing, otherwise it’s unlikely I’d have thought.

Think a loan would be a real masterstroke, protects us against a potential serious injury and gets us a 10-goal striker stopgap. £5m loan fee might prick up a few ears.

[Appy]

3 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Re JWP reality is that as soon as a club offers him significantly more cash than we can get anywhere near matching, and he wishes to go then its very difficult to keep him - especially when he has given Saints good service and seen lots of others being allowed to go.

We also don't know what kind of gentlemens agreements were made as part of his contract.

Whether Newcastle are the team to get him away from us, who knows? But if someone seriously does move for him and he wants to go then logic and history tells us he will go.

I think he would have to kick up a massive fuss, I don’t think Newcastle are that the level just yet for him to throw his toys out of the pram about going there, at a footballing level, not financial, in a year or so I think it’s a very different conversation as them troubling top 4/6 is going to come round very quickly. 

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Appy said:

Obviously it’s all hypothetical and of course I would, but with the current market and he’s got so much premier league experience, I just think he is so so difficult to replace. I can’t see him going this summer anyway, just can’t see anyone spending the money we would want to even entertain it. 

This is where I’m at with it. He’s on a massive contract here and on good wages too. Newcastle are said to be paying Trippier £100K a week as their top earner and I believe JWP is already on something like that with us, so a huge boost in wages is unlikely for him if he went to the toon. Someone in the top 3 or 4 could afford him and give a big pay hike to him, but as much as I could see him fitting in at a top side, like you say I don’t see them paying what would be necessary to get him, there’s likely to be more value elsewhere IMO.

[ally_uk]

Get Ings back on loan proven goal scorer 

[FarehamSaintJames]

As I’ve said before, I think JWP will still be here after the window shuts.
And providing we stay in the Premier League he’ll be here for many years to come.

Only a club bidding stupid, stupid money is going to be considered. And I personally don’t see that happening.

[SuperSAINT]

3 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Get Ings back on loan proven goal scorer 

Ralph was right on Ings, FWIW.

Grass isn’t always greener.  

Edited 11 June, 2022 by SuperSAINT

[davefizzy14]

Yes please, get Ingsy back

[Mr X]

New contracts to long and cabrero is all you need to know about where our club is going