igsey Posted 12 May, 2022 Share Posted 12 May, 2022 I wonder if we'll be bringing in a Cuco Martina-like full back to cover both sides with Tino out until Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 12 May, 2022 Share Posted 12 May, 2022 I have this nagging feeling that we're going to sign Harry Winks. Hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 12 May, 2022 Share Posted 12 May, 2022 4 minutes ago, igsey said: I wonder if we'll be bringing in a Cuco Martina-like full back to cover both sides with Tino out until Christmas? If Small has progressed, they may switch between KWP, Perraud and him. Valery and JWP are options at RB. Ramsay and Vokins will be back from loan too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 12 May, 2022 Share Posted 12 May, 2022 Ramsay and Vokins should both be sold or loaned out again, for their own benefit. Neither will make it in the PL, both should have decent careers - Vokins has the higher potential of the two. IMO need to be more ruthless with these and the likes of N'Lundulu. They have already been replaced. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 12 May, 2022 Share Posted 12 May, 2022 I could see them hanging onto one of them, probably Valery to provide that stop gap option, and for CB, until Tino is back. Especially if it means focusing on all the other areas that need starter improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 May, 2022 Share Posted 12 May, 2022 On 11/05/2022 at 13:53, Charlie Wayman said: Having fallen for all the hype and bullshit surrounding Adams and Armstrong in their Championship days, one hopes we will not again fall into the trap of grabbing a bargain from the lower leagues. Interesting to see what Championship (and lower) players have been bought by Prem sides (without them having been tested in the Prem before) and their relative success to date. Note that these are just those that are there (and some have a lot of football to play). I guess others will have been acquired and failed - hence no longer at the clubs, so this list shows the current `successes'. Liverpool - Gomez Spurs - Sessegnon West Ham - Bowen, Benrahma, Fredericks Leicester - Maddison, James Justin Newcastle - Lascelles, Darlow Villa - Matty Cash, Watkins, Ezri Konsa Brighton - Maupay, Adam Webster Palace - Olise, Eze Saints - Adams, Stephens Everton - Calvert-Lewin Burnley - Pope, Connor Roberts, Brownhill, Charlie Taylor Norwich - Max Aarons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 9 hours ago, Dusic said: Ramsay and Vokins should both be sold or loaned out again, for their own benefit. Neither will make it in the PL, both should have decent careers - Vokins has the higher potential of the two. IMO need to be more ruthless with these and the likes of N'Lundulu. They have already been replaced. I get the academy is vital to the club’s DNA and great to see the age teams flying again but it’s become an old boys club which also wastes a lot of £££ at times. Theo, Ramsay, N’Lundulu, Vokins and Valery. Only the latter really played beyond October but that’s a lot of money to waste. Tella needs to move on this summer as well, I like him but 23 now and one goal and one assist at first team level? Obafemi is an example of moving down but moving forward. Redmond and Ely need to move on as well, Theo coaching role and 2x new first team 10s. Little faith it will happen I’m afraid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 39 minutes ago, SNSUN said: I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. Decent shout if a reasonable fee which Newcastle might let him go for as good servant there. Bednarek clearly unhappy so selling him could be a straight trade elsewhere financially and Salisu gets a CB partner who gives a shit. Would enable heftier investment in the 10s area although Redmond, Ely, Tella all need to move and Theo into coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SNSUN said: I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. Absolutely not!! Newcastle fan's wanted him gone before the takeover and everyone should have seen the difference in their defence since signing the mighty Dan Burn to replace him. Edited 13 May, 2022 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 36 minutes ago, saint1977 said: Theo into coaching. More like into Physio work, would have picked up a lot of hints and tips over the years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 39 minutes ago, saint1977 said: Theo into coaching. I can’t help but think he would be a terrible coach. He has very little technical ability (or brain) and is basically just quick. Well used to be quick, he’s not any more, hence why he doesn’t make the squad. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, igsey said: I wonder if we'll be bringing in a Cuco Martina-like full back to cover both sides with Tino out until Christmas? Been wondering if we'll go back for Brandon Williams? He can play both sides. Not sure how he really got on at Norwich: looked a little shaky in his early games (according to wisdom on here), then got some decent reviews in the papers I believe. Performance in poor Norwich team is maybe not the best way to judge a player though. Utd would probably want stupid money again. Edited 13 May, 2022 by Suhari 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dman said: I can’t help but think he would be a terrible coach. He has very little technical ability (or brain) and is basically just quick. Well used to be quick, he’s not any more, hence why he doesn’t make the squad. He is still one of the fastest players at the club. See the recent Tella/Salisu interview 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Saint86 said: He is still one of the fastest players at the club. See the recent Tella/Salisu interview 😉 Just even more shit then. In fairness, he plays in a role which requires a degree of technical ability and you need to be decent on the ball. He’s a kick and run merchant, so doesn’t suit that at all. I’ve always thought he’d be better suited to us up top next to Adams. Surely would have been a better option than Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 6 minutes ago, Saint86 said: He is still one of the fastest players at the club. I would be as well running my 75k a week to the bank for doing sweet FA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dman said: Just even more shit then. In fairness, he plays in a role which requires a degree of technical ability and you need to be decent on the ball. He’s a kick and run merchant, so doesn’t suit that at all. I’ve always thought he’d be better suited to us up top next to Adams. Surely would have been a better option than Long Its not like his finishing is any worse than our other strikers in fairness... 🤣 He's sadly another one of those players ruined by Wenger and the big club move. Went there too young, barely played at the start, had the whoe england hype/fiasco, and then a manager that tried to turn him into something he wasn't. He should have stayed a striker. Edited 13 May, 2022 by Saint86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 54 minutes ago, Saint86 said: Its not like his finishing is any worse than our other strikers in fairness... 🤣 He's sadly another one of those players ruined by Wenger and the big club move. Went there too young, barely played at the start, had the whoe england hype/fiasco, and then a manager that tried to turn him into something he wasn't. He should have stayed a striker. Think that serious injury he got against Spurs messed him up. Lost the extra yard of pace and was never really the same after that. Doesn't have the other abilities to influence games at the top level without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 An interesting RB option we may go for... Ryan Fredericks, out of contract at WHU. We were very keen when he was at Fulham. Could be a decent freebie to add some experienced depth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 17 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: An interesting RB option we may go for... Ryan Fredericks, out of contract at WHU. We were very keen when he was at Fulham. Could be a decent freebie to add some experienced depth. I feel like he’s been linked for several seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 5 hours ago, Suhari said: Been wondering if we'll go back for Brandon Williams? He can play both sides. Not sure how he really got on at Norwich: looked a little shaky in his early games (according to wisdom on here), then got some decent reviews in the papers I believe. Performance in poor Norwich team is maybe not the best way to judge a player though. Utd would probably want stupid money again. he looked poor, exposed and didn't improve them as a side. At United he looked a good prospect IMO and I thought a loan to us made a lot of sense. He marauded down the left and his ability to put in a devilish cross using his left, despite being right footed, suggested he was a talent. At Norwich it was more about poor positional play, a lack of cutting edge pace and a failure to shutdown opposing wingers. He's still young and players like Bertrand had pretty average loan spells, so he might still be worth looking at - especially on a loan basis, although the wages were hefty as I recall. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 hour ago, S-Clarke said: An interesting RB option we may go for... Ryan Fredericks, out of contract at WHU. We were very keen when he was at Fulham. Could be a decent freebie to add some experienced depth. Looked good in the Championship, but not sure he has excelled at the level above. At 29 he ain't getting better and he ain't going to make us money by improving and selling - so doesn't fit the business model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 3 hours ago, The Cat said: Think that serious injury he got against Spurs messed him up. Lost the extra yard of pace and was never really the same after that. Doesn't have the other abilities to influence games at the top level without it. this. He looked slower this season than last though. Maybe him just getting up and down the line last season didn't expose that lack of blistering pace like it has this season when he got opportunities further forward. Not sure I can see him getting `it' back next season either, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 14 minutes ago, Chez said: Looked good in the Championship, but not sure he has excelled at the level above. At 29 he ain't getting better and he ain't going to make us money by improving and selling - so doesn't fit the business model. In fairness we're only looking for backup to KWP and a stopgap till Tino is fit again. Signing a more experienced player on a one year deal might make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 35 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: In fairness we're only looking for backup to KWP and a stopgap till Tino is fit again. Signing a more experienced player on a one year deal might make sense. fair point. Not sure players at his level are keen to sign one year deals. It's a tricky situation. It would be nice to loan someone even better, but easier said than done. We feel wafer thin at full back, unless you have any confidence in Valery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: In fairness we're only looking for backup to KWP and a stopgap till Tino is fit again. Signing a more experienced player on a one year deal might make sense. Still wouldn’t mind us having a look at Tanganga. Can play anywhere across the back 4 (probably not a great wingback tho, that being said). Suits our model of ‘good player but not quite good enough for big 6, yet) and has the added benefit of being Young, hungry and therefore guaranteed to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 Seem to be, quite suddenly, a lot of names being bandied about in the press who we are supposedly interested in (mostly with caveats). Is it season ticket renewal time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 12 minutes ago, DT said: Seem to be, quite suddenly, a lot of names being bandied about in the press who we are supposedly interested in (mostly with caveats). Is it season ticket renewal time? It’s the summer transfer window, showtime for agents and journalists alike. Is this news to you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 1 hour ago, DT said: Seem to be, quite suddenly, a lot of names being bandied about in the press who we are supposedly interested in (mostly with caveats). Is it season ticket renewal time? We have this discussion most summers. Which do you think is more likely. Agents giving a `heads up' to a journalist, helping give his client exposure and the journalist gets a story...or, Saints feeding stories of their interest in a range of players to a journalist to help sell season tickets? Has a single fan ever bought a season ticket because he thinks the club are being active in the transfer market? Equally, has any fan not bought a season ticket because he thought the cub wasn't going to be active? My guess, is that the club keeps its transfer business very close to its chest, so as not to draw attention that effect a deal going through...and...doesn't waste its time feeding false stories to the press to make it look like it being busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 23 hours ago, Saint Garrett said: Isn’t Mukiele a RB, rather than a CB? He started out as a CB but has been a full back the last year or so at RBL but has found opportunities hard to come by. Apparently he is now surplus to requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 15 hours ago, SNSUN said: I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. Be decent alongside Salisu. Not the greatest in the world but a step up from what we’ve got and a good bit of experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Turkish said: Be decent alongside Salisu. Not the greatest in the world but a step up from what we’ve got and a good bit of experience I'd rather have Bednarek. Just because you want him upgraded, doesn't mean any old other bottom half quality centre back is an improvement. Lacelles is very limited! Edited 14 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I'd rather have Bednarek. You’d be wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 May, 2022 Share Posted 13 May, 2022 I think it says something about how low expectations have fallen that in recent days I’ve seen people suggest we keep Shane Long and sign Jeff Schlupp and Jamaal Lascelles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 20 hours ago, SNSUN said: I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. Yeah I think he could a very good signing (dependent on the fee). Add some leadership at the back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 22 hours ago, Saint86 said: He is still one of the fastest players at the club. See the recent Tella/Salisu interview 😉 He may be, but what I have noticed is he has lost the initial burst of pace, which is what happens when you get older. In his case too old to be effective at his game, he doesn’t have much else in his locker to be of value in any other role. And no to coaching, we owe him absolutely nothing, that would be yet another sentimental decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 8 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: I'd rather have Bednarek. Enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 8 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I think it says something about how low expectations have fallen that in recent days I’ve seen people suggest we keep Shane Long and sign Jeff Schlupp and Jamaal Lascelles. Lacelles was part of my champions league winning Eastleigh team on FM2013 sunshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chez Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: I'd rather have Bednarek. Lascelles doesn't feel like a step up to me either. He is not quicker and is uncomfortable with the ball at his feet, which is a major problem. He might be better in the air, maybe. Lascelles has been Newcastke skipper, so obviously has leadership qualities, but I am not sure you will find many Newcastle fans thinking he can help them get to the promise land. I suspect that if we had watched him play for Saints every week, we'd be wanting to upgrade from him this summer. Edited 14 May, 2022 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 I don’t think Lacelles is a brilliant player, but he’s clearly a leader and better than Bednarek. I’d take him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 2 hours ago, Saint Garrett said: I don’t think Lacelles is a brilliant player, but he’s clearly a leader and better than Bednarek. I’d take him. Exactly, it’s that sort of character we need. I’d still love us to get Tarkowski but don’t think we will or would 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Exactly, it’s that sort of character we need. Signing 'good characters' is what lumbered Saints with Walcott on a contract until 2023! We could do a lot better than Lacelles if we want to upgrade on Bednarek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Signing 'good characters' is what lumbered Saints with Walcott on a contract until 2023! We could do a lot better than Lacelles if we want to upgrade on Bednarek! A wheelie bin would be an upgrade, or a lamp post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said: A wheelie bin would be an upgrade, or a lamp post. Just because you want Bednarek upgraded, doesn't mean any old other bottom half quality centre back is an improvement. Lacelles is very limited! We could get a lot better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Signing 'good characters' is what lumbered Saints with Walcott on a contract until 2023! We could do a lot better than Lacelles if we want to upgrade on Bednarek! We need leaders and winners, that wasn’t the reason we signed walcott yet again you prove your understanding of sport is restricted to computer games 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: We need leaders and winners, that wasn’t the reason we signed walcott yet again you prove your understanding of sport is restricted to computer games 1) What makes you think Lacelles is a good leader? Or even a better leader than Bednarek? 2) What makes you think Lacelles is a 'winner'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: 1) What makes you think Lacelles is a good leader? Or even a better leader than Bednarek? 2) What makes you think Lacelles is a 'winner'? What makes you think Bednarek is better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 Just now, Turkish said: What makes you think Bednarek is better? Better at what? Being a leader? I did not say he was. But I also did not say he wasn't. I simply don't know, and wonder how you might? If you mean as a player, then from watching them both and their match stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2022 Share Posted 14 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Better at what? Being a leader? I did not say he was. But I also did not say he wasn't. I simply don't know, and wonder how you might? If you mean as a player, then from watching them both and their match stats. In my original post on this thread you responded with you’d prefer Bedenark. So unless you’d prefer a player that is worse, then you must think Bednarek is better, it’s not hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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