Summer 2022 Transfer Window

[S-Clarke]

I think generally our signings have been better in recent seasons. Certainly a few more successful additions compared to our windows when every player we signed was pretty shit.

I think KWP, Perraud, Salisu, Tino, Adams are examples of good additions who have become useful and important players. Jury is still out on Lavia, Aribo, and the other new guys, but I'd be surprised if Aribo and Lavia don't join that group of successful additions.

The problem is that we have still been making some poor big calls, in a time when our money was previously tighter. Lyanco, Diallo, Theo, Mousssa, Adam Armstrong. They've joined the group of the previously bad signings in Redmond, Elyounoussi etc and it's still weighing us down a bit. It's a bit better as we don't have Hoedt, Lemina and co around but we are still in a little bit of a mess with failed signings littering the squad.

I'm not sure if the previous picks of Lyanco, Diallo etc were down to lack of funds so we just blinked on whoever we could get for less than £10m, so hopefully that won't be the case anymore.

Edited 12 August, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Wade Garrett]

I’ve suggested Tompkins at Palace before.  Good CB, better than we have, tons of experience and not in Palace’s first XI.

 

[Saint Garrett]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think generally our signings have been better in recent seasons. Certainly a few more successful additions compared to our windows when every player we signed was pretty shit.

I think KWP, Perraud, Salisu, Tino, Adams are examples of good additions who have become useful and important players. Jury is still out on Lavia, Aribo, and the other new guys, but I'd be surprised if Aribo and Lavia don't join that group of successful additions.

The problem is that we have still been making some poor big calls, in a time when our money was previously tighter. Lyanco, Diallo, Theo, Mousssa, Adam Armstrong. They've joined the group of the previously bad signings in Redmond, Elyounoussi etc and it's still weighing us down a bit. It's a bit better as we don't have Hoedt, Lemina and co around but we are still in a little bit of a mess with failed signings littering the squad.

I'm not sure if the previous picks of Lyanco, Diallo etc were down to lack of funds so we just blinked on whoever we could get for less than £10m, so hopefully that won't be the case anymore.

To call Redmond a bad signing is incredibly harsh. He might not be playing at the level we had hoped he would be, but he cost what, £12m, won player of the season, and didn't he get the most assists for us last season, despite not playing much? I'd keep him as a squad player for sure. I think he deserves a bit more respect than he gets on here.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

I’ve suggested Tompkins at Palace before.  Good CB, better than we have, tons of experience and not in Palace’s first XI.

 

Not sure that is the approach we should go down. The fact he's not in Palace's team, who are are competitors really, is quite telling. I don't want to saddle our squad with more squad players, who we bring in has to better than what we have in that position and I'm not sure Tomkins is really any better. Certainly not quick and has a fair amount of injuries.

CB's with PL experience is quite a limited market for ourselves. I wonder if we could go for someone like Jamaal Lascelles? Was captain for newcastle, many years PL experience but still only 28. Down the pecking order at Newcastle now. I think he's better than Tomkins but probably not much in it.

[MarkSFC]

2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

To call Redmond a bad signing is incredibly harsh. He might not be playing at the level we had hoped he would be, but he cost what, £12m, won player of the season, and didn't he get the most assists for us last season, despite not playing much? I'd keep him as a squad player for sure. I think he deserves a bit more respect than he gets on here.

I agree. Not a bad signing, just not good enough for me now. He might be a good squad player to have (more like the role Long played towards the end) but I would of thought of all those players we'd be happy to shift he be up there in terms of best fee.

[DT]

7 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I’ve suggested Tompkins at Palace before.  Good CB, better than we have, tons of experience and not in Palace’s first XI.

 

Decent shout

[DT]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure that is the approach we should go down. The fact he's not in Palace's team, who are are competitors really, is quite telling. I don't want to saddle our squad with more squad players, who we bring in has to better than what we have in that position and I'm not sure Tomkins is really any better. Certainly not quick and has a fair amount of injuries.

CB's with PL experience is quite a limited market for ourselves. I wonder if we could go for someone like Jamaal Lascelles? Was captain for newcastle, many years PL experience but still only 28. Down the pecking order at Newcastle now. I think he's better than Tomkins but probably not much in it.

IMO not very logical insofar as Palace will be well clear of us. Solid team playing good football. Stayed in that game with arsenal where many would have folded. Just because he’s not in the first team there doesn’t mean he couldn’t do a job for us. We need the right temperament too. 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

To call Redmond a bad signing is incredibly harsh. He might not be playing at the level we had hoped he would be, but he cost what, £12m, won player of the season, and didn't he get the most assists for us last season, despite not playing much? I'd keep him as a squad player for sure. I think he deserves a bit more respect than he gets on here.

He's not been totally useless, not at all, but I can't say I've ever enjoyed watching him personally. One of the most infuriatingly frustrating players we've ever had in that attacking position. He had a bit of a golden spell in 2018, but apart from that he has been poor in my opinion. It probably hasn't helped that the team regressed as soon as he came into the door, it would have been interesting to see how he looked in a squad with Mane and co, but he just hasn't stepped up in my opinion.

[Baird of the land]

7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure that is the approach we should go down. The fact he's not in Palace's team, who are are competitors really, is quite telling. I don't want to saddle our squad with more squad players, who we bring in has to better than what we have in that position and I'm not sure Tomkins is really any better. Certainly not quick and has a fair amount of injuries.

CB's with PL experience is quite a limited market for ourselves. I wonder if we could go for someone like Jamaal Lascelles? Was captain for newcastle, many years PL experience but still only 28. Down the pecking order at Newcastle now. I think he's better than Tomkins but probably not much in it.

Yeah what we need is leadership at the back, not necessarily experience. Someone like Lascelles would seem to fit the bill.

[DT]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He's not been totally useless, not at all, but I can't say I've ever enjoyed watching him personally. One of the most infuriatingly frustrating players we've ever had in that attacking position. He had a bit of a golden spell in 2018, but apart from that he has been poor in my opinion. It probably hasn't helped that the team regressed as soon as he came into the door, it would have been interesting to see how he looked in a squad with Mane and co, but he just hasn't stepped up in my opinion.

Agreed. Fannies around with it far too much and loses posession too frequently too. End product not great. Not sure he adds much to 'team spirit' either. Be good to let Norwich have him back in exchange for Pukki and/or Cantwell

[OldNick]

3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He's not been totally useless, not at all, but I can't say I've ever enjoyed watching him personally. One of the most infuriatingly frustrating players we've ever had in that attacking position. He had a bit of a golden spell in 2018, but apart from that he has been poor in my opinion. It probably hasn't helped that the team regressed as soon as he came into the door, it would have been interesting to see how he looked in a squad with Mane and co, but he just hasn't stepped up in my opinion.

Look at the assists compared to Stu Armstrong. It must be hard playing when you know that half the stadium is groaning when he has the ball. The morons who get on his back. Dont forget not only the assists he created for goals, the ones he created that our forwards and others failed to take.

Taking him out of the side has taken much of our productivity away.  

[OldNick]

Just now, DT said:

Agreed. Fannies around with it far too much and loses posession too frequently too. End product not great. Not sure he adds much to 'team spirit' either. Be good to let Norwich have him back in exchange for Pukki and/or Cantwell

I know hes a decent player when you dont rate him DT. We always are poles apart lol . I would keep him but wouldnt mind Cantwell or Pukki

[Kenilworthy]

23 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

I agree. Not a bad signing, just not good enough for me now. He might be a good squad player to have (more like the role Long played towards the end) but I would of thought of all those players we'd be happy to shift he be up there in terms of best fee.

Sometimes though players at other clubs who we didn't rate that highly can come in and do a surprisingly good job. For example when Strachan took over he brought in Telfer and Wiliams who made an immediate difference.

[Roo1976]

32 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He's not been totally useless, not at all, but I can't say I've ever enjoyed watching him personally. One of the most infuriatingly frustrating players we've ever had in that attacking position. He had a bit of a golden spell in 2018, but apart from that he has been poor in my opinion. It probably hasn't helped that the team regressed as soon as he came into the door, it would have been interesting to see how he looked in a squad with Mane and co, but he just hasn't stepped up in my opinion.

Redmonds golden patch culminated in Pep chatting in his ear when walking off at City,never been able to consistently hit the heights since.

[S-Clarke]

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Leicester in talks with former Cardiff and Huddersfield goalkeeper Alex Smithies over possible free transfer.

A McCarthy suitor no longer in the race.

That's some come down from Kasper though. 

[OldNick]

18 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

Redmonds golden patch culminated in Pep chatting in his ear when walking off at City,never been able to consistently hit the heights since.

well he didnt chat to any of our players from that day on! I do understand that players like him do frustrate but dont most wingers/wide players do as they do different things compared to the safe style of JWP etc. 

Anyway it is obvious Im a fan of Redmond and so my opinion is swayed by that. 

[DT]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

I know hes a decent player when you dont rate him DT. We always are poles apart lol . I would keep him but wouldnt mind Cantwell or Pukki

That’s fine. Both those players would improve us though. 

[Give it to Ron]

23 minutes ago, OldNick said:

well he didnt chat to any of our players from that day on! I do understand that players like him do frustrate but dont most wingers/wide players do as they do different things compared to the safe style of JWP etc. 

Anyway it is obvious Im a fan of Redmond and so my opinion is swayed by that. 

Don’t read the latest Athletic today Nick !

[Saint Garrett]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Look at the assists compared to Stu Armstrong. It must be hard playing when you know that half the stadium is groaning when he has the ball. The morons who get on his back. Dont forget not only the assists he created for goals, the ones he created that our forwards and others failed to take.

Taking him out of the side has taken much of our productivity away.  

Yup - think we've been a better side under Ralph with Redmond in the team, than when he isn't.

[SonicBoom]

I'm no Redmond fan and I'd be happy to see him leave. But it makes me think "why?"

In his time here he has actually delivered more than Djenepo and Diallo for example. I think it's because at times he looks a really good player so you know he can do it. Most of the time he doesn't do it so it's infuriating. He also doesn't seem to improve. Case in point would be his shooting. He cuts across the box, makes space for a shot and BOOM - row Z. How has he not worked on that ?? 

So really if you compare him to some of the others he's not too bad, but compare him to what we thought was his potential, and he's really really frustrating. 

[Appy]

We’re going to end up signing Tyrone Mings aren’t we? 

[cloggy saint]

5 minutes ago, Appy said:

We’re going to end up signing Tyrone Mings aren’t we? 

Not sure if that's rhetorical, but no, we're not.

[Saint_Ash]

3 minutes ago, Appy said:

We’re going to end up signing Tyrone Mings aren’t we? 

Would that be too bad? Would walk straight into our lineup.

[Ed Rooney]

8 minutes ago, Appy said:

We’re going to end up signing Tyrone Mings aren’t we? 

Let’s hope so 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

31 minutes ago, Appy said:

We’re going to end up signing Tyrone Mings aren’t we? 

He is better than the cack we currently have!

[SuperSAINT]

 

[West end Saints]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

Yup - think we've been a better side under Ralph with Redmond in the team, than when he isn't.

I have never been able to understand the criticism Redmond gets.  To me a bit more effective than Armstrong,  but also works harder,  doesn't give ball away in our own half,  chases,  tackles -  all set him as my preference over Armstrong who many on here rave about. 

Think both are decent players,  about right level for us but would hope we could improve on both. 

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

It is an u21s team this season.

Dude, why do you this? Just fucking let it be, man, jesus.

[AlexLaw76]

Forest agree £20m deal for Dennis

[CB Fry]

If Forest go down then no one can say they haven't had a decent crack at it.

If we stay up we'll have done it, yet again, on scraping together the absolute barest of bare minimums.

[Suhari]

22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Forest agree £20m deal for Dennis

Wonder where that leaves the Che to Forst stuff?

I remain confident that SR are going to pull a couple of rabbits out of their metaphorical hats. Delap, Broja, Dembele, the tall Austrian and the guy 'Z' fella haven't moved yet. Although gut feel is Broja would be a no-go after the (slightly concerning) RH comments.

CHO hasn't signed anywhere yet.

What is forum favorite Caleta-Carr up to? Phil Jones has still not moved.

There's plenty of decent players who look like they'll be making moves in the next few weeks.

[Sparkkyy]

On 11/08/2022 at 09:39, Matthew Le God said:

"No smoke without fire is a ridiculous phrase and is deeply flawed to use. Would you be happy with someone using it about you if you were wrongfully accused of something?

Media can = a smoke machine and smoke machines do not have any fire 🔥 

"Smoke" Machines / Fog Machines do not create smoke at all, they create Vapor hence filling them with water. You mentioned something being ridiculous and deeply flawed? Looks like Your argument just went up in......... er um... Vapor.

[Sarisbury Saint]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I’ve suggested Tompkins at Palace before.  Good CB, better than we have, tons of experience and not in Palace’s first XI.

 

Yep, we need a couple of quick fixes to ensure we remain in the top flight.

Bide ourselves sometime for others to come through.

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

We’re going to end up signing Tyrone Mings aren’t we? 

That's actually an interesting shout and certainly not a bad one. He'd walk into our team tomorrow, no worries about that at all. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Dusic]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's actually an interesting shout and certainly not a bad one. He'd walk into our team tomorrow, no worries about that at all. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

I think we would be looking for more of a right sided CB, as if we being someone in it would be to replace Stephens, Valery, Lyanco or Bednarek.

Pretty sure Mings plays on the left side and Salisu is so bad on the ball I wouldn't want him playing on his weaker side.

Aside from that, it wouldnt be a horrendous move and the kind of character that would certainly help.

Edited 12 August, 2022 by Dusic

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

I think we would be looking for more of a right sided CB, as if we being someone in it would be to replace Stephens, Valery, Lyanco or Bednarek.

Pretty sure Mings plays on the left side and Salisu is so bad on the ball I wouldn't want him playing on his weaker side.

Aside from that, it wouldnt be a horrendous move and the kind of character that would certainly help.

I get the right side, left-side argument, but I don't think we're in a position to get perfection at the mo! I'm sure we can deal with a left footer on the right side (i'd probably put mings right side). It can't be much worse than it is today, that's for sure.

Don't forget we've got ABK as a right footer too, and if we do persist with 3 at the back that'll be Salisu - Mings - ABK, that is a pretty powerful and mobile 3 if we can do it.

[Anesti71]

Have we signed anyone yet? 🤔🤔

[Jeremy Corbyn]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's actually an interesting shout and certainly not a bad one. He'd walk into our team tomorrow, no worries about that at all. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

He's a leader too, which is what we need.

[SuperSAINT]

 

[EBS1980]

It’s clear, we don’t need to sell to buy now from a financial perspective but purely from a number of players one. We have too many in the “first team” squad to manage so have to shift some to bring the squad down then buy more. I think I saw we were at 26/27 senior players currently. Even 11v11 in training leaves us with subs.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

They're giving it a go, but I'd feel a little uneasy with that approach. It's a real slap dash approach, and they looked all over the shop at the weekend - no real chemestry at all. One game and all that, but what they did last season is out of the window as this isn't the same team and they'll have to work out what's what with an unknown group of players. Isn't that going to make it 16 new additions?

[Saint Fan CaM]

Just now, EBS1980 said:

It’s clear, we don’t need to sell to buy now from a financial perspective but purely from a number of players one. We have too many in the “first team” squad to manage so have to shift some to bring the squad down then buy more. I think I saw we were at 26/27 senior players currently. Even 11v11 in training leaves us with subs.

Yes and remember the last time we ended up with a big bloated squad of ‘also ran fillers’?  Didn’t work out so well for us as I recall.  What is interesting is that I seem to recall Ralph saying when he came in that he didn’t like large squads, so what’s changed?  Trouble is you can only sell players to clubs that want them or release them from contract and I don’t think we’ve ever done that to a senior player have we?

[cloggy saint]

12 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's actually an interesting shout and certainly not a bad one. He'd walk into our team tomorrow, no worries about that at all. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

Is he for sale? Have we expressed an interest?

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

They're giving it a go, but I'd feel a little uneasy with that approach. It's a real slap dash approach, and they looked all over the shop at the weekend - no real chemestry at all. One game and all that, but what they did last season is out of the window as this isn't the same team and they'll have to work out what's what with an unknown group of players. Isn't that going to make it 16 new additions?

Guess it depends how good the Manager and coaches are in pulling together a disparate set of players. If they had so many on loan and performed well enough to get promoted, then there’s every chance the Manager will be very well versed in how to get the most from his new players. Whether it’s enough remains to be seen, but I think they could do well.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, cloggy saint said:

Is he for sale? Have we expressed an interest?

Well, there are rumours Gerrard wants him out. Didn't play at the weekend, suggestions that Konsa and their new guy, Carlos are the two first choice.

If we're looking for an experienced PL defender then there aren't many options to be honest, it'll be a case of capitalising on situations like this if there's something in it

[Saint Fan CaM]

17 hours ago, trousers said:

In other interesting news, I've been up to the summit of the tallest mountain on the planet....

 

Is it worth the trip Trousers? We’re going to Hawaii big island in December.

[Saint86]

4 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I don't think he's done a respectable job, I'd feel differently if he'd amassed the points regularly and consistently over a season, we didn't have horror runs and absolute tonkings from time to time.  Not to mention formations and substitutions and the rest that has been discussed to death. Alos last season's horror run is still ongoing.

Eh? What's more consistent.... putting together regular wins of consistent form, or showing no signs of progress/potential by flip flopping between losing one week and winning the next? You're either happy with the table at the end of the season or you're not... Everyone knows that Ralph is streaky... consistently streaky in fact.

[saint1977]

22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Well, there are rumours Gerrard wants him out. Didn't play at the weekend, suggestions that Konsa and their new guy, Carlos are the two first choice.

If we're looking for an experienced PL defender then there aren't many options to be honest, it'll be a case of capitalising on situations like this if there's something in it

I’d heard this in the Midlands as well. He’d be expensive as a total package but a lot cheaper for SR than relegation. The side are nailed on to go down without reinforcing the back line, player sales or not. Bednarek can always loaned out if we can’t sell, longish contract so a good 12 months in another league might increase interest again. Mings won’t take any shit in the dressing room, and JWP, Oriol and KWP need some support in there. The fans forum showed how soft the club has become and 2-3 bastards needed by the end of the window to provide some backbone and leadership to the talented younger recruits.

A few of the dubious characters might decide they don’t fancy being in the environment with someone telling them to pull their finger out and their agents might finally get them moved on, to help pay for it. Another aggressive player needed in the frontline in a similar mode. Time to put a few permanently in the u23s until they leave, the club is too nice and it’s about to be in a genuine relegation battle this time. 

[Saint Garrett]

2 hours ago, Appy said:

We’re going to end up signing Tyrone Mings aren’t we? 

That’s would be nice. Bednarek Stephens and Valery out, Mings and Watkins in. Yes please. 

[Dellman]

48 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Yes and remember the last time we ended up with a big bloated squad of ‘also ran fillers’?  Didn’t work out so well for us as I recall.  What is interesting is that I seem to recall Ralph saying when he came in that he didn’t like large squads, so what’s changed?  Trouble is you can only sell players to clubs that want them or release them from contract and I don’t think we’ve ever done that to a senior player have we?

Did we release Lemina? And maybe Hoedt?