Summer 2022 Transfer Window

[Saint86]

I find myself excited by the links to Gaga, easily one of the hottest young keeper prospects in world football. The carrot of only having Macca in front of him and a promised taste of first team football might well work for us on that one.

Etienne is also a great one for us to have been linked with.

Edited 28 April, 2022 by Saint86

[Chez]

On 27/04/2022 at 09:12, DT said:

'Fallen out of favour' suggests it has nothing to do with his ability. 

I used the phrase `fallen out of favour' to try to accommodate views from across the spectrum. I clearly didn't take into account just how much you don't rate him DT. 😉

 

[Chez]

 

On 27/04/2022 at 11:04, Baird of the land said:

I hope whoever we sign eclipses mccarthy's performances. However, McCarthy's been first choice for multiple year's and the sky hasn't fallen in so response seems hyperbolic. He's a serviceable prem keeper. 

 

With the stick McCathy gets, it's almost as though posters on here didn't see Ian Andrews play for us.

[Bad Wolf]

38 minutes ago, Chez said:

 

With the stick McCathy gets, it's almost as though posters on here didn't see Ian Andrews play for us.

McCarthy is poor but he's nowhere near as bad as everyone makes him out to be. He just gets blamed for things that clearly aren't his fault while Forster can do no wrong even when he clearly does! I think Forster is very slightly better but the gap between them is not massive at all.

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

McCarthy is poor but he's nowhere near as bad as everyone makes him out to be. He just gets blamed for things that clearly aren't his fault while Forster can do no wrong even when he clearly does! I think Forster is very slightly better but the gap between them is not massive at all.

I defend McCarthy on here, not because I rate him, but because some posters do exactly that, blame him for goals that weren't his fault and overlook the amazing saves he makes.  I think people take a line on a player and then actually look for sticks to beat them with to back up their opinion.  I know I am guilty of that. I try to judge each game and player performance in isolation, but if you have said a player is shit you tend to view what they do in a different way than if you have said they are good.

Forster has made some great stops in recent weeks, but McCarthy made some world class saves of his own earlier in the season, but he gets very little credit for them because he also made some complete fuck ups. 

I have always suggested that both should be replaced this summer, but given our financial situation, and the management rating our keepers more than fans do, that was never going to the case. There was no desire to leave themselves without a previously tested Prem keeper. 

[Toadhall Saint]

Nowhere to hide if you fuck up as a keeper.

[Chez]

13 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

McCarthy is poor but he's nowhere near as bad as everyone makes him out to be.

The more I see the likes of Pickford, Schmeichel, Lloris, Pope and others make regular howlers, let in near post goals etc, the more I agree with this. Top fight keepers these days (as has always been the case) make big mistakes and the countless repeats, numerous angles and an overly harsh audience means they are perhaps over-criticised. Actually, we only overly criticise our own keepers, because we don't give a fuck if Lloris palms one straight to a striker - especially if its our striker - do we? 

[Bad Wolf]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

I defend McCarthy on here, not because I rate him, but because some posters do exactly that, blame him for goals that weren't his fault and overlook the amazing saves he makes.  I think people take a line on a player and then actually look for sticks to beat them with to back up their opinion.  I know I am guilty of that. I try to judge each game and player performance in isolation, but if you have said a player is shit you tend to view what they do in a different way than if you have said they are good.

Forster has made some great stops in recent weeks, but McCarthy made some world class saves of his own earlier in the season, but he gets very little credit for them because he also made some complete fuck ups. 

I have always suggested that both should be replaced this summer, but given our financial situation, and the management rating our keepers more than fans do, that was never going to the case. There was no desire to leave themselves without a previously tested Prem keeper. 

I agree with all of that.

Some of the stuff I blame Forster for I don't think is purely his fault (Burnley's second and Man United away this season) however they are goals that had McCarthy conceded, he'd have been lynched. Yet Forster makes an absolute howler on Sunday (Brighton's first) and no one batters an eyelid.

[Chez]

Just now, Toadhall Saint said:

Nowhere to hide if you fuck up as a keeper.

Absolutely.

Nightmare defending them on here, as an error is only a game away. Conversely, its folly attacking a striker on here, as they are only a game away from scoring...hopefully.

 

[Toadhall Saint]

Just now, Chez said:

Absolutely.

Nightmare defending them on here, as an error is only a game away. Conversely, its folly attacking a striker on here, as they are only a game away from scoring...hopefully.

 

Your only as good as your last game. Old cliche but still stands

[Saint86]

31 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Nowhere to hide if you fuck up as a keeper.

Point in case being Inter Milan this week 😆

[Give it to Ron]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

 

With the stick McCathy gets, it's almost as though posters on here didn't see Ian Andrews play for us.

You never saw Dave McLaren….concedes 9 and we buy him beat Leicester to doing that like Bertie and Vest 🙂

Edited 28 April, 2022 by Give it to Ron

[The Cat]

44 minutes ago, Chez said:

I defend McCarthy on here, not because I rate him, but because some posters do exactly that, blame him for goals that weren't his fault and overlook the amazing saves he makes.  I think people take a line on a player and then actually look for sticks to beat them with to back up their opinion.  I know I am guilty of that. I try to judge each game and player performance in isolation, but if you have said a player is shit you tend to view what they do in a different way than if you have said they are good.

Forster has made some great stops in recent weeks, but McCarthy made some world class saves of his own earlier in the season, but he gets very little credit for them because he also made some complete fuck ups. 

I have always suggested that both should be replaced this summer, but given our financial situation, and the management rating our keepers more than fans do, that was never going to the case. There was no desire to leave themselves without a previously tested Prem keeper. 

Exactly this.

McCarthy has made 3 ridiculous saves this season. Man City away in injury time to get us a point, Watford away late in the game to get us 3 points and Leicester at home from Barnes to get is a point. And that was one of the best saves any keeper in the league has made this season.

Obviously he makes mistakes but I really don't understand why people lay into him so much.

[Turkish]

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/20100600.transfer-budget-absolutely-southampton-motivation-premier-league-finish/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR2AZVSPOweciK7uBBXx4OgmFZYIAZuhnyVso2lmh3WgnEkCsjsGsxCuioQ
 

bust a gut to get us higher up the league so we can bring in players to replace you 🤔

[Whitey Grandad]

19 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Exactly this.

McCarthy has made 3 ridiculous saves this season. Man City away in injury time to get us a point, Watford away late in the game to get us 3 points and Leicester at home from Barnes to get is a point. And that was one of the best saves any keeper in the league has made this season.

Obviously he makes mistakes but I really don't understand why people lay into him so much.

One word, NORWICH

[The Cat]

29 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

One word, NORWICH

Yes, that was a poor game from him and I made the trip up to see it. Could also argue that other players were culpable for that defeat, Walcott missed a great chance and we barely created anything against a poor team.

[verlaine1979]

Problem with both our keepers is that they can't play out confidently from the back. I could live with the occasional (or even semi-regular) howler if I felt that they weren't undermining the basic foundation of the way the team wants to play.

Now whether it's sensible to expect your keeper and CBs to be comfortable on the ball is another matter entirely (though I much prefer teams who try and play that way over ones that don't).

[Roo1976]

4 hours ago, Chez said:

Absolutely.

Nightmare defending them on here, as an error is only a game away. Conversely, its folly attacking a striker on here, as they are only a game away from scoring...hopefully.

 

or constantly hitting the bloody goalie

[Convict Colony]

Think we can skip Caleta-Carr rumours, am watching Feyenoord v Marseille and he sold the goalkeeper short with his back pass, goal feyenoord.

Both sides have done some terrible defending.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Think we can skip Caleta-Carr rumours, am watching Feyenoord v Marseille and he sold the goalkeeper short with his back pass, goal feyenoord.

Both sides have done some terrible defending.

Sound like he’ll fit right In

[John B]

Southampton will not listen to offers for 27-year-old England midfielder James Ward-Prowse, who is believed to be of interest to Newcastle United and Tottenham. (Mail)

I wonder how this turns out

[SNSUN]

41 minutes ago, John B said:

Southampton will not listen to offers for 27-year-old England midfielder James Ward-Prowse, who is believed to be of interest to Newcastle United and Tottenham. (Mail)

I wonder how this turns out

Tricky.  would Saints turn down, say, £80 million +? (Not that Spurs would pay that, the cheapskates would probably go in with a Villa-like £35 million bid) Say Newcastle did want to pay it (or one of the richer clubs) then it would, spent wisely (yes this bit is key), completely improve the first XI. But no good bids = no sale.

 

As for JWP he seems happy to be here and has signed the long term contract, so he may not want to move up the other end of the country anyway. I hope he stays but he is our most saleable asset right now.

 

As for saleable assets though, it's imperative we keep KWP. In the absence of Tino long term, we cannot be letting him go. Full stop.

[stevy777_x]

15 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

Problem with both our keepers is that they can't play out confidently from the back. I could live with the occasional (or even semi-regular) howler if I felt that they weren't undermining the basic foundation of the way the team wants to play.

Now whether it's sensible to expect your keeper and CBs to be comfortable on the ball is another matter entirely (though I much prefer teams who try and play that way over ones that don't).

We re not going to change our way of playing just because our keepers can t play that way.

We should let Fraser leave, it makes no sense to have the same goalkeeper unit as the last 5 years.

We ve been trying to get rid of him for years, him being our highest earner just behind JWP and now you all want to keep because he s been on form the last few games.

No thank you, thx for everyone Fraser, time to move on

[stevy777_x]

18 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Tricky.  would Saints turn down, say, £80 million +? (Not that Spurs would pay that, the cheapskates would probably go in with a Villa-like £35 million bid) Say Newcastle did want to pay it (or one of the richer clubs) then it would, spent wisely (yes this bit is key), completely improve the first XI. But no good bids = no sale.

 

As for JWP he seems happy to be here and has signed the long term contract, so he may not want to move up the other end of the country anyway. I hope he stays but he is our most saleable asset right now.

 

As for saleable assets though, it's imperative we keep KWP. In the absence of Tino long term, we cannot be letting him go. Full stop.

It makes completely sense if we want to revamp the playing squad as numerous players are coming out of contract this summer or the next

[tajjuk]

1 hour ago, SNSUN said:

Tricky.  would Saints turn down, say, £80 million +? (Not that Spurs would pay that, the cheapskates would probably go in with a Villa-like £35 million bid) Say Newcastle did want to pay it (or one of the richer clubs) then it would, spent wisely (yes this bit is key), completely improve the first XI. But no good bids = no sale.

 

As for JWP he seems happy to be here and has signed the long term contract, so he may not want to move up the other end of the country anyway. I hope he stays but he is our most saleable asset right now.

 

As for saleable assets though, it's imperative we keep KWP. In the absence of Tino long term, we cannot be letting him go. Full stop.

Like you say Spurs won't pay that, Newcastle might but I don't see him leaving for them, it's not like they are suddenly going to be top 4 challengers next season, if it does happen then it'll take 2,3 maybe even 4 seasons, certainly took City about that long and they had to go through a lot of transfer fails to get there. Not sure JWP will be waiting on that.

I really think we only have to worry if Klopp or Guardiola come knocking. 

I'm sure people will say JWP isn't worth £80 million, but when West Ham have been asking well above £100 million for Rice then I'd say £80 million is a minimum, I mean that is basically Harry Maguire money and he's better than Maguire was for Leicester and even more important to us, probably more important to us than Rice is West Ham. 

[Rebel]

Reading between the lines it sounds like Bednarek is off this summer - but his time to go has probably come anyway.

But I get the feeling Salisu is interested in moving to a bigger club with more money (after the Newcastle interest in January) - his recent performances suggest he is trying to give the club the message to cash in on him now. Hopefully we will keep him for another year.

And Stephens is supposedly out of contract - so we could need  a complete restock at centre back. So we will need least 1  if not 2 new centrebacks.  Levi Colwill as cover and a long term left footed replacement for Salisu would be nice. But we will probably need a first choice right sided centre back whatever else happens.

Simeu probably replaces Stephens as back up (but would Salisu / Colwill and Lyanco / Simeu be enough?)

Will Valery stay as cover for right back & centre back and will Kayne Ramsey return to do the same.  I think we will sell one of them at least and keep the other.

I can see a big club coming in for KWP as well - and with Tino injured for the longer term we would need at least one if not 2 right backs as well.  

And if we get a £40M or thereabouts offer from a big club - Liverpool for example - I can see us selling JWP.   Whether we do sell JWP or not we need to strengthen central midfield and add 1 if not 2 DM to provide cover for and eventually replace Romeu.  But I can see us going for relatively low cost options - for example Matt Grimes from Swansea would give us a left footed CM and hopefully a leader on the pitch (as he's Captain at Swansea) and Marko Gruijc (on loan at Porto from Liverpool) would give us cover for Romeu at CDM/DM.  

And that doesn't even cover the need to replace Long and Broja  upfront or Djeneppo / Redmond / Elyounoussi  in the No. 10 role (with a year left on his contract and £75K wage Walcott is going nowhere).  Tino Anjorin would be a start for the No.10 role.   

Bringing in Etienne Green or someone similar to compete with McCarthy sounds like a good idea - but I'd keep Forster as well.

I think its going to be a buys summer.

[Daft Kerplunk]

Semmens has said the new owners aren’t super wealthy so this is the first step in managing the fan expectations. Not that any of the realists expected anything different

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Rebel said:

And if we get a £40M or thereabouts offer from a big club - Liverpool for example - I can see us selling JWP

Way too low in the current market IMO

[Suhari]

15 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Semmens has said the new owners aren’t super wealthy so this is the first step in managing the fan expectations. Not that any of the realists expected anything different

Yep. We could be facing another frustrating window.

[Daft Kerplunk]

23 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Yep. We could be facing another frustrating window.

I think I’ve been a Saints fan too long, and know too much about how the club works to have anything but low expectations 😄

[Streaky]

30 minutes ago, trousers said:

Way too low in the current market IMO

Has to be worth at least 60m in current climate.

[The Cat]

1 hour ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Semmens has said the new owners aren’t super wealthy so this is the first step in managing the fan expectations. Not that any of the realists expected anything different

They said that when they took over, so anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously not paying attention.

We will have bit more money but aren't going to be spaffing cash about left, right and centre.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

15 minutes ago, The Cat said:

They said that when they took over, so anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously not paying attention.

We will have bit more money but aren't going to be spaffing cash about left, right and centre.

Will we even have a bit more money? I read it as no more money but we can buy earlier in the window

[SNSUN]

We sell to buy and luckily last season we were able to sell a few players that weren't particularly key to us (Vestergaard, Obafemi, Lemina, Gunn), got good money for (Ings) or saved quite a lot in wages (Bertrand, Hoedt et al).

 

This summer I don't think we have the fringe players that people will be after. Moi maybe after his improvement? Armstrong after his stuttering season (but with previously good stats in the Championship)? Apart from saving wages (Forster) I struggle to see who we could sell that other teams would want (and that aren't key players like JWP/KWP or Salisu). 

 

It's definitely a summer where we need the owners to put some money into the transfer kitty or else we may struggle with incomings. That said, there are a few tasty Bosmans if we can persuade them....

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

Edited 29 April, 2022 by SNSUN

[Chez]

6 hours ago, John B said:

Southampton will not listen to offers for 27-year-old England midfielder James Ward-Prowse, who is believed to be of interest to Newcastle United and Tottenham. (Mail)

I wonder how this turns out

I know its just words, and if someone makes a massive offer, we'd have to listen/consider it, but that's the first time I have heard us use the phrase `will not listen to offers' (assuming they came out of oru moths - which is doubtful), which interprets as 'don't call us unless you are willing to spend mega money'. Which is all we can ask for as fans. 

[Diabolus Ex Machina]

3 hours ago, Rebel said:

Reading between the lines it sounds like Bednarek is off this summer - but his time to go has probably come anyway.

What's this based on,wondering if i've missed something? He's on one of our longest contracts and i've not heard of any interest for him from other clubs so would surprise me. Also believe Stephens is rumoured to have signed a new contract but it just wasn't made public for some reason.

[Chez]

5 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

 

We should let Fraser leave,

...we don't have a choice in the matter - he said `no' to our contract offer (which people are speculating as to it being lower than he was on, but might easily have been higher - but he wanted out having been dropped and loaned out previously), we gave McCarthy one instead (again people are speculating who was offered what and in what order) and Forster will seemingly now depart on a free.

[Chez]

38 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

We sell to buy and luckily last season we were able to sell a few players that weren't particularly key to us (Vestergaard, Obafemi, Lemina, Gunn), got good money for (Ings) or saved quite a lot in wages (Bertrand, Hoedt et al).

This summer I don't think we have the fringe players that people will be after. Moi maybe after his improvement? Armstrong after his stuttering season (but with previously good stats in the Championship)? Apart from saving wages (Forster) I struggle to see who we could sell that other teams would want (and that aren't key players like JWP/KWP or Salisu). 

It's definitely a summer where we need the owners to put some money into the transfer kitty or else we may struggle with incomings. That said, there are a few tasty Bosmans if we can persuade them....

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

good point. Selling players you don't want doesn't happen much these days. If they are shit, you are stuck with them. Salisu is a prime candidate to be `made available' unless he signs a contract in May/June.

We need to be thinking about offering KWP a new long term deal soon too, as he must have caught scouts eyes this season.

I wonder if, after the nightmare with COVID, the club might turn a profit this financial year, and that provide some cash flow

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Will we even have a bit more money? I read it as no more money but we can buy earlier in the window

Absolutely. We will continue to run in the same manner - books balanced, spent what we bring in. The new owners will just make sure an early window transfer is not scuppered by a lack of cash flow.

[Bad Wolf]

I don't like this "Not for sale at any price". Everybody has their price, I just think JWP's price will be higher than teams are prepared to pay.

[Chez]

4 hours ago, Rebel said:

And Stephens is supposedly out of contract - so we could need  a complete restock at centre back.

Didn't Stephens get an `unannounced' new contract, like McCarthy, back in 2020? 

https://theathletic.com/news/exclusive-jack-stephens-agrees-new-long-term-southampton-contract/bo8LfBeiblPj/

[Bad Wolf]

On another note, with regards to Walcott I hope he stays on the grounds that he's an incredible asset to the club, just not so much the 'team'. He does A LOT of mentoring and work behind the scenes and if he were to accept a role playing for the B team and occasional game for the first team in the cups then I'd be delighted if he stayed.

Obviously if he thinks he can still play regular first team football in The Championship or whatever then good luck to him.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said:

I don't like this "Not for sale at any price". Everybody has their price, I just think JWP's price will be higher than teams are prepared to pay.

Everyone knows we (as a mid size club) have a price. Nothing wrong with using these bold words to maybe re-enforce how much we value our player (they then feel good).

I agree, I don't think teams will spend £80m on him. Its too much money for not enough additional improvement they will get from signing him.

[revolution saint]

I reckon we'll be back in for either Tete or Anjorin the Chelsea lad who went on loan to Huddersfield (or both).  Tete is only at Lyon till the end of the season so probably nothing or fairly cheap (imagine there wouldn't be a fee?).  No idea how either are getting on although Anjorin seems to have been injured most of the time.

[Chez]

5 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I reckon we'll be back in for either Tete or Anjorin the Chelsea lad who went on loan to Huddersfield (or both).  Tete is only at Lyon till the end of the season so probably nothing or fairly cheap (imagine there wouldn't be a fee?).  No idea how either are getting on although Anjorin seems to have been injured most of the time.

who is the next Chelsea right back on their conveyor belt of youth talent, is it Richard Olise?

[Toussaint]

15 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

On another note, with regards to Walcott I hope he stays on the grounds that he's an incredible asset to the club, just not so much the 'team'. He does A LOT of mentoring and work behind the scenes and if he were to accept a role playing for the B team and occasional game for the first team in the cups then I'd be delighted if he stayed.

Obviously if he thinks he can still play regular first team football in The Championship or whatever then good luck to him.

£75,000 per week or £3.9 million a year is obscene, unfortunately he will not go anywhere until his contract runs out. I hope he goes, but that is a forlorn hope. 

[Bad Wolf]

25 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

£75,000 per week or £3.9 million a year is obscene, unfortunately he will not go anywhere until his contract runs out. I hope he goes, but that is a forlorn hope. 

I don't, for one minute believe he's on that.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Cameron Carter-Vickers?
Cameron Carter-Vickers 'wanted' by Southampton and Fulham as Celtic face battle to sign in-demand defender - Mirror Online

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I know its just words, and if someone makes a massive offer, we'd have to listen/consider it, but that's the first time I have heard us use the phrase `will not listen to offers' (assuming they came out of oru moths - which is doubtful), which interprets as 'don't call us unless you are willing to spend mega money'. Which is all we can ask for as fans. 

No offence but bollocks.  As a fan I get absolutely zero enjoyment out the club striking a great deal on our best player.  As fans all we can do is suck it up, buttercup.  It's shit but that's commercial football for you.

[Give it to Ron]

It was posted on Secret Scout twitter feed (knows a lot of Chelsea academy stuff)yesterday by someone that Colwill is off to Palace