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I still think the ball is in our court with Delap. Yes Burnley have Kompany, but we have everything else to offer besides that. Even if City don't want to sell him permanently I'd be surprised if we didn't still loan him (perhaps with an option). We need two strikers and as long as one of them is a permanent, I don't see a problem with the other one being a loanee. It worked with Broja.

 

Anyway even if we don't get him, I'm sure the club have a list of striking targets to go and get besides him. The clock is ticking though.

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2 hours ago, Dusic said:

Whilst we have done some good early business, what about outgoings?

Seems clear to me that in order to really do what we would like to then we need to be shedding a few players, especially in these areas:

Centre Back - we seemingly want Colwill but already have Salisu, Bednarek, ABK, Lyanco, Stephens, Valery, Simeu.

We can assume Simeu will leave on loan but to add Colwill would surely need to lose at least 2 of the others. Bednarek probably worth the most but no takers as yet. Maybe we loan Lyanco to a Serie A team or Stephens to a Championship contender but we aren't going to recoup any cash for them. Lyanco's signing was pointless - we needed to sign a starting player not an erratic backup who couldn't speak English.

In a back 3 I prefer Valery to either Lyanco or Stephens and if we are to go with 5 CBs in the squad then he would be an ideal 5th. IMO this would leave us with the best pool: Salisu, ABK, Bednarek, Colwill, Valery

No 10 - we arguably need to two signings in this position but one will ok as long as its a player who is good enough to go straight into the team and who is a goal threat. However, we already have: Aribo, Armstrong, Moi, Walcott, Djenepo, Redmond, Tella, Smallbone and thats before we consider Edwards, Doyle etc.

Seems clear Walcott is on his way out. IMO Redmond is better than almost all of those listed but its probably time for a fresh challenge without the mental baggage of his time here and seems like that might be the plan after being left at home. But really no need to have more than 4 in this position, 5 max, so even if Tella is considered as a (non scoring) striker and then we need to get rid of two of Djenepo, Smallbone and Moi. Considering his potential and pre season performance Smallbone is playing himself into being a keep and would also be easy to loan out towards the end of the window. 

Both Djenepo and Moi have one year left and hopefully neither being offered an extension. Djenepo can do that LWB role but has no end product whereas Moi, whilst one paced and predictable, does offer more of a goal threat.

Centre Mid - this is a bit easier and is another reason to keep Smallbone around. I think after signing Lavia we can afford to let Diallo go without signing anyone else.

We have Lavia and Romeu as specialist #6 with JWP who can also do it. Then Aribo, Armstrong, Smallbone & JWP who can play as an #8. 

Overall summary - we need to start selling/loaning some CBs and #10s to make way for new additions as are carrying too much dross.

 

 

Its a fair summary, but have i missed us signing a striker?! - 😨😁 surely that's No.1 or No.2 on the priority list!!!

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38 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

'Struggling'? We haven't even started the season yet, how can we be 'struggling'. At no point last year were we really involved in a relegation battle. Most players would prefer to play in the PL and playing at the highest level is surely best for their development. We also will have better coaches and facilities as well. 

Also Burnley have lost most of their good players, seemingly are in debt and have a relatively inexperienced manager, they could just as easily be struggling in the Championship next year. 

Agreed! Burnley are a car crash of a club now, and we can all just be grateful that their owners didn't buy saints. 

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Think we are trying to avoid another Broja situation where we loan and then can’t afford to buy, or the player then has his sights on a bigger team.

Trouble for us now is that Broja and Delap look to have been our top 2 choices, and we look to be getting neither. I hope we do have other targets that can improve us!

I’m starting to feel quite nervous about the attacking positions. We may have to wait until later in the window like we did with Mane and Toby to get a higher calibre of player?

Trying to remain optimistic as the signings so far look to be decent. Lavia and Bazunu in particular have made strong first impressions in the pre season games. 

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4 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Think we are trying to avoid another Broja situation where we loan and then can’t afford to buy, or the player then has his sights on a bigger team.

Trouble for us now is that Broja and Delap look to have been our top 2 choices, and we look to be getting neither. I hope we do have other targets that can improve us!

I’m starting to feel quite nervous about the attacking positions. We may have to wait until later in the window like we did with Mane and Toby to get a higher calibre of player?

Trying to remain optimistic as the signings so far look to be decent. Lavia and Bazunu in particular have made strong first impressions in the pre season games. 

Exactly, I think we want to avoid a Broja situation. There are times when a player will come avaliable at a big club where a loan is the only option (players of the level of Hudson-Odoi or Chamberlain for e.g). But young players we seem to be trying to get in early before they commit their futures. I'm still fairly sure we'd have made efforts to sign Broja perm last summer had we had the cash, we'd have got in there before he signed his 5 year deal at Chelsea.

I'm not, as yet, too worried about the attacking positions because I know we'll strengthen. I imagine our targets are people we've not even spoken about yet. Aribo, Bella-Kotchap came from absolutley nowhere. I expect the same for our attacking additions.

We probably can't wait until the end of the window because we have nothing as it is, so I can see at least 1 coming in before we start at Spurs.

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Ralph was pretty sure we would be strengthening our attacking options so hopefully we can get at least two in over the next week. Dolberg would be quality, sounds like possibly a loan for Delap. I wonder if we can still get Dembele which would be amazing. 

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1 minute ago, davefizzy14 said:

Ralph was pretty sure we would be strengthening our attacking options so hopefully we can get at least two in over the next week. Dolberg would be quality, sounds like possibly a loan for Delap. I wonder if we can still get Dembele which would be amazing. 

Wouldn't want Dembele. He's made it clear he doesn't want to play here so we should listen to that and move on.  There's no actual link to Dolberg is there?

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Best case scenario for City would be to sell him to us with a buyback clause surely? And we've shown we are happy to go this route, whereas other clubs (Leicester for example) refuse to do these deals.

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15 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Wouldn't want Dembele. He's made it clear he doesn't want to play here so we should listen to that and move on.  There's no actual link to Dolberg is there?

I thought that was an unconfirmed report on Dembele. We would double his wages if he came here. I'm not so sure on Dolberg, I'm just going on what some people have said on twitter.

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4 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Fulham want Maxwel Cornet after Everton failed to get him on loan.
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We should be all over this for £17.5m. Quality number ten who can score and assist.

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12 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

We should be all over this for £17.5m. Quality number ten who can score and assist.

Can also play full back so I wouldn't be against him signing. Upgrade on djenepo I'd say. 

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54 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Think we are trying to avoid another Broja situation where we loan and then can’t afford to buy, or the player then has his sights on a bigger team.

Trouble for us now is that Broja and Delap look to have been our top 2 choices, and we look to be getting neither. I hope we do have other targets that can improve us!

I’m starting to feel quite nervous about the attacking positions. We may have to wait until later in the window like we did with Mane and Toby to get a higher calibre of player?

Trying to remain optimistic as the signings so far look to be decent. Lavia and Bazunu in particular have made strong first impressions in the pre season games. 

Kalajdzic also seems to be high on our list but he's waiting to see if he gets a better offer

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14 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

We should be all over this for £17.5m. Quality number ten who can score and assist.

This. After a cracking start, recruitment-wise, we're stuttering a bit on goals. This would be a steal

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3 hours ago, Saints foreva said:

I agree that without Zaha they'll struggle for goals but defensively they were pretty good last season, far better than we were. 

Looked very solid at sms. Once the new back four bedded in, they were pretty solid  Don't think they lost too many in the last third of the season.

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16 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

We should be all over this for £17.5m. Quality number ten who can score and assist.

If he was 'one of two', then yeah...maybe. But we need to focus our budget on a target man type CF in my opinion, then see what's left and get ourselves a wide attacker.

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17 hours ago, DT said:

Not many goals in the squad at moment 

Is there any other PL club who, with the squad as it stands today, will 100% be relegated?

With the start of the season looming it's a hell of a risk to be placing your chances of staying up in the hands of players we haven't even signed yet...

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3 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Is there any other PL club who, with the squad as it stands today, will 100% be relegated?

With the start of the season looming it's a hell of a risk to be placing your chances of staying up in the hands of players we haven't even signed yet...

I don't think so because I believe, and I could be wrong on this, that you can't actually be relegated before the season starts.

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2 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Is there any other PL club who, with the squad as it stands today, will 100% be relegated?

With the start of the season looming it's a hell of a risk to be placing your chances of staying up in the hands of players we haven't even signed yet...

Isn't that how pre-season usually goes? Teams ambitions are often tempered until new players are in the building. I'm sure Everton think they're going down, probably Bournemouth as well. But we all know that all teams will look totally different by the end of August compared to how they line up in pre-season.

We know we lack goals, the club know this. We have owners now who are providing the support to fix this so that's why I'm more optimisitc than I have been.

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50 minutes ago, igsey said:

Best case scenario for City would be to sell him to us with a buyback clause surely? And we've shown we are happy to go this route, whereas other clubs (Leicester for example) refuse to do these deals.

Leicester negotiated a £50m buyback with City when they signed Iheanacho, which has now expired. 

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2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Certainly looks like we’re looking to do permanent deals over loans, which I guess is a refreshing change.

Maybe after what happened with Broja, we wanted a permanent deal for Delap and City have said no, so we’re not pursuing any further.

How many loans are allowed? Is it just one from Prem teams. I thought we wanted to use that loan on the right back position?

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14 minutes ago, Chez said:

I've not seen Delap, but would he be considered the young back up if he joined? Is Delap as good as Broja? Broja looked first choice immediately. Is Delap likely to be the same?

I'd see him as the 'Broja' type loan, but we do need an 'Armstrong' type striker signing in terms of value. (but, please much better Saints).

I wouldn't say Broja looked first choice straight away, it took him a couple of months to really bed in. By all accounts Delap is a similarish style of player in terms of his stature, he's certainly not as quick though.

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37 minutes ago, Wsaint said:

Can also play full back so I wouldn't be against him signing. Upgrade on djenepo I'd say. 

Left Wing Back too if we persist with the 3 CBs. Cornet on one side and KWP on the other sounds tasty. I agree £17.5 million sounds like a good price if true.

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1 minute ago, SNSUN said:

Left Wing Back too if we persist with the 3 CBs. Cornet on one side and KWP on the other sounds tasty. I agree £17.5 million sounds like a good price if true.

Shouldn't be too hard a deal to get done at that price. Can't imagine Burnley are paying him anything we can't afford. Guess it's down to where he sees himself playing in August 

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2 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Left Wing Back too if we persist with the 3 CBs. Cornet on one side and KWP on the other sounds tasty. I agree £17.5 million sounds like a good price if true.

That was my thinking, adds versatility too being able to play in so many different positions. Much rather see him on that left hand side than djenepo.

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Probably just me, but I am finding this window in some ways more frustrating than usual. It all started so well with the early unexpected signings but it has all suddenly gone very quiet on the most important area...getting goals. Having lost Broja and Long a major overhaul in the striking is required but unlike some of the earlier signings, no real rumours/chatter. I am also a bit confused as to who will line up in defence. Assumed Bednarek would be gone but still here and even Captain on Saturday. I am sure that the powers that be know what they are doing...after all we are the "Cornerstone" of SR.... but time is running out and still some major work to do. Will soon be the first game of the season.

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4 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Probably just me, but I am finding this window in some ways more frustrating than usual. It all started so well with the early unexpected signings but it has all suddenly gone very quiet on the most important area...getting goals. Having lost Broja and Long a major overhaul in the striking is required but unlike some of the earlier signings, no real rumours/chatter. I am also a bit confused as to who will line up in defence. Assumed Bednarek would be gone but still here and even Captain on Saturday. I am sure that the powers that be know what they are doing...after all we are the "Cornerstone" of SR.... but time is running out and still some major work to do. Will soon be the first game of the season.

So I get that but there are loads of time left before start of season. Quite a few haven’t done much, Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth as an example.

Everyone knows we need 2 forwards but so do most teams, getting them is hard as we are not attractive as some for players like Dembele. 
I am confident we will add to the striking options but who….no idea.

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3 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

So I get that but there are loads of time left before start of season. Quite a few haven’t done much, Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth as an example.

Everyone knows we need 2 forwards but so do most teams, getting them is hard as we are not attractive as some for players like Dembele. 
I am confident we will add to the striking options but who….no idea.

There's only 2 and a half weeks left before the start of the season, we definitely need at least 1 striker in by then. I know the window doesn't shut until 01 Sept but it will be alot harder to attract someone if we are already languishing near the bottom by that time. In terms of other team, I don't think their need is as great as ours - of those you have mentioned Brentford have toney/mbeua and Broghton have Maupay.

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50 minutes ago, Chez said:

I've not seen Delap, but would he be considered the young back up if he joined? Is Delap as good as Broja? Broja looked first choice immediately. Is Delap likely to be the same?

In the youth team delap looks the more prolific one, delap to me is more of a James Beattie/Harry Kane type proper centre forward whilst broja is just freakish in his pace.

delao is definitely ready to start I think surely offers more threat then what we have and could be more prolific then broja I think he has around 30 goals in 32 games at the younger level 

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Exactly, I think we want to avoid a Broja situation. There are times when a player will come avaliable at a big club where a loan is the only option (players of the level of Hudson-Odoi or Chamberlain for e.g). But young players we seem to be trying to get in early before they commit their futures. I'm still fairly sure we'd have made efforts to sign Broja perm last summer had we had the cash, we'd have got in there before he signed his 5 year deal at Chelsea.

I'm not, as yet, too worried about the attacking positions because I know we'll strengthen. I imagine our targets are people we've not even spoken about yet. Aribo, Bella-Kotchap came from absolutley nowhere. I expect the same for our attacking additions.

We probably can't wait until the end of the window because we have nothing as it is, so I can see at least 1 coming in before we start at Spurs.

Will be interesting to see what happens with CHO now.  Supposedly Chelsea want to sell hiim, assuming its to get some money in the door and get rid of his wages, but we wanted a loan because we wanted to buy Broja. I wonder whether our stance on that will now change. 

We will sign a striker without a doubt, and expect us to bring someone in on loan, whether thats a kid who needs game tima ala Broja last season, or more like KWP where he's a fringe player, but we would look to buy after the end of the season.

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12 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Will be interesting to see what happens with CHO now.  Supposedly Chelsea want to sell hiim, assuming its to get some money in the door and get rid of his wages, but we wanted a loan because we wanted to buy Broja. I wonder whether our stance on that will now change. 

We will sign a striker without a doubt, and expect us to bring someone in on loan, whether thats a kid who needs game tima ala Broja last season, or more like KWP where he's a fringe player, but we would look to buy after the end of the season.

The CHO story is really illustrative of how the big clubs' academies work. Rather than let him leave for Bayern they offered him mega money to stay then never gave him a proper run. Yes he was injured but this hoarding of players is one of the less savoury elements of the massive financial disparity in the game.

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4 minutes ago, coalman said:

The CHO story is really illustrative of how the big clubs' academies work. Rather than let him leave for Bayern they offered him mega money to stay then never gave him a proper run. Yes he was injured but this hoarding of players is one of the less savoury elements of the massive financial disparity in the game.

Yeah but equally you have to then question the players motives. Not play very much for Chelsea but earn a shed load of cash or move elsewhere and play regularly. Most players have confidence in their ability and would back themselves to make the first team but after a couple of seasons of being a bit part player and other big money signings coming in then you'd think they'd be wanting a move. If they're not then it suggests their motives are all wrong

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5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yeah but equally you have to then question the players motives. Not play very much for Chelsea but earn a shed load of cash or move elsewhere and play regularly. Most players have confidence in their ability and would back themselves to make the first team but after a couple of seasons of being a bit part player and other big money signings coming in then you'd think they'd be wanting a move. If they're not then it suggests their motives are all wrong

Yeah. Well paying 20 year olds £100k a week isn't likely to lead to a balanced human.

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7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yeah but equally you have to then question the players motives. Not play very much for Chelsea but earn a shed load of cash or move elsewhere and play regularly. Most players have confidence in their ability and would back themselves to make the first team but after a couple of seasons of being a bit part player and other big money signings coming in then you'd think they'd be wanting a move. If they're not then it suggests their motives are all wrong

Plenty of players in the Top 6 like that who are prepared to sit on benches and play the odd game whilst picking up ridiculous wages. Like you I would question some players motivation for actually playing the game. I know that the career of a footballer is relatively short, but to my mind that would be all the motivation I would need to play as many games as I possibly could.

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4 hours ago, coalman said:

 

I'm happier with our defence and centre mid than I've been in years though.

It's funny, the general consensus is Forster, fullbacks, Salisu, jwp and Romeu are all fine yet we shipped a fair few goals last season.

Are these guys good, or does the system let them down? 

We've added three unknown quantities. I think I'll wait and see before suggesting we've solved the problem.

 

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I'd see him as the 'Broja' type loan, but we do need an 'Armstrong' type striker signing in terms of value. (but, please much better Saints).

I wouldn't say Broja looked first choice straight away, it took him a couple of months to really bed in. By all accounts Delap is a similarish style of player in terms of his stature, he's certainly not as quick though.

Broja was injured at the start. Five minutes into his first game, he was clearly first choice, in my eyes.

Yeah, The highlights I've seen show a big lad, but not quick. That would make him a very different player to Broja.

 

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52 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Probably just me, but I am finding this window in some ways more frustrating than usual. It all started so well with the early unexpected signings but it has all suddenly gone very quiet on the most important area...getting goals. Having lost Broja and Long a major overhaul in the striking is required but unlike some of the earlier signings, no real rumours/chatter. I am also a bit confused as to who will line up in defence. Assumed Bednarek would be gone but still here and even Captain on Saturday. I am sure that the powers that be know what they are doing...after all we are the "Cornerstone" of SR.... but time is running out and still some major work to do. Will soon be the first game of the season.

I get that, we made such a fast start securing highly rated players quickly that it set the bar pretty high and makes this mini-lull in transfers feel more worrying than it probably is. 

1 minute ago, Chez said:

It's funny, the general consensus is Forster, fullbacks, Salisu, jwp and Romeu are all fine yet we shipped a fair few goals last season.

Are these guys good, or does the system let them down? 

We've added three unknown quantities. I think I'll wait and see before suggesting we've solved the problem.

 

Forster was only fine for a little bit and the rest of the season we had a poor McCarthy, plus you've only mentioned one centre-back there which highlights the issue, we only had one reliable centre-back last year (and he went through some poor form). So really if you think of our back 5, nearly one half of that wasn't performing very well which is going to cause issues for any defence no matter how good the other parts are.

I feel pretty confident we have upgrade our GK and whilst Bella-Kotchap is a bit more unknown he doesn't have a very high bar to clear to improve the team, plus by the sounds of it he is more suited to how we play.

Add in we have I believe a new AM who specialises more in defensive set up to take the strain off Ralpha and we have in Lavia a centre-mid who offers pace and power that we don't really have in our current midfield options despite JWP and Romeu being good players. So that gives us different options to use and we could potentially see more 3 in the middle set ups as well.

Overall as a package, new GK, new CB, new defensive mid offering skills lacking in the group, new coach who specialises in defensive set up I feel more comfortable with our defensive ability. 

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9 minutes ago, DT said:

🚨 Any possibility of Armando Broja returning to the south coast after his loan spell was ended even before Chelsea were put up for sale, due to a ‘souring relationship’ between the player & Southampton #saintsfc

Rumours were he fell out with Ralph so quite probably something in it.

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13 minutes ago, DT said:

🚨 Any possibility of Armando Broja returning to the south coast after his loan spell was ended even before Chelsea were put up for sale, due to a ‘souring relationship’ between the player & Southampton #saintsfc

 

12 minutes ago, DT said:

Explains why he had the face of a smacked arse at the end

 

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Rumours were he fell out with Ralph so quite probably something in it.

If Broja fell out with Hasenhuttl, and they are still on bad terms... how does that sit with the multiple reports of Saints wanting Broja to return this summer? 

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6 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

I get that, we made such a fast start securing highly rated players quickly that it set the bar pretty high and makes this mini-lull in transfers feel more worrying than it probably is. 

Forster was only fine for a little bit and the rest of the season we had a poor McCarthy, plus you've only mentioned one centre-back there which highlights the issue, we only had one reliable centre-back last year (and he went through some poor form). So really if you think of our back 5, nearly one half of that wasn't performing very well which is going to cause issues for any defence no matter how good the other parts are.

I feel pretty confident we have upgrade our GK and whilst Bella-Kotchap is a bit more unknown he doesn't have a very high bar to clear to improve the team, plus by the sounds of it he is more suited to how we play.

Add in we have I believe a new AM who specialises more in defensive set up to take the strain off Ralpha and we have in Lavia a centre-mid who offers pace and power that we don't really have in our current midfield options despite JWP and Romeu being good players. So that gives us different options to use and we could potentially see more 3 in the middle set ups as well.

Overall as a package, new GK, new CB, new defensive mid offering skills lacking in the group, new coach who specialises in defensive set up I feel more comfortable with our defensive ability. 

Hmmm. Forster was deemed 'pretty solid' by most on here during second half of season. So out of the GK, defence and defensive midfielders, only one (CB) is deemed as not being good. Yet, we were absolutely fucking shit defensively. 

I think my point is, that some of the players we think as good premiership players, Perraud, Romeu and even JWP might not be quite as good as we think. Whether Bella and lavia start is to be seen. 

My alternative point, is that perhaps it's not the players individually that's the issue, it's the system. If the system is retained are Bella and Lavia a better fit for it?

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