Summer 2022 Transfer Window

[Atlanta Saint]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

The only one I can think of doing as such is Miguel Almirion, fairly sure he came from the MLS straight to Newcastle. He hasn't been 'amazing' for them, but far from terrible. (He always seems to score against us, but then who doesn't)

 Miggy was one of the best players in MLS while at Atlanta United and helped us win the 2018 MLS Cup and his move to Newcastle. It's a massive gap between the 2 leagues as his inconsistent performances for Newcastle have shown.

[S-Clarke]

9 minutes ago, Atlanta Saint said:

 Miggy was one of the best players in MLS while at Atlanta United and helped us win the 2018 MLS Cup and his move to Newcastle. It's a massive gap between the 2 leagues as his inconsistent performances for Newcastle have shown.

Yeah I remember he was an example of being a truly standout player in the MLS, his assist records were crazy if I remember.

Other players who have stormed the MLS is a certain BWP.......nothing more than a mid to lower Championship player in this country. (although he may have developed over there to be fair to him)

[Streaky]

12 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Yeah I remember he was an example of being a truly standout player in the MLS, his assist records were crazy if I remember.

Other players who have stormed the MLS is a certain BWP.......nothing more than a mid to lower Championship player in this country. (although he may have developed over there to be fair to him)

You mean the green kit with spitfires on it 😉 

[SaintTex]

4 hours ago, tajjuk said:

I think there could be a pretty big gap between those clubs and the 'rest' next year. 

[once_bitterne]

Bit of a Poortvliet/Woote feel to the upcoming season.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, once_bitterne said:

Bit of a Poortvliet/Woote feel to the upcoming season.

Not seeing or feeling that at all.

[HarvSFC]

3 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Bit of a Poortvliet/Woote feel to the upcoming season.

Clear difference is that we're signing Bazunu, Lavia, Bella-Kotchap and Aribo for good money and they've generally been well regarded at their clubs. Some being internationals already. Rather than picking up Forecast, Pulis, Molyneux and Ryan Smith for free. Schneiderlin was our relatively big money signing then and he didn't too badly in the end. If we were picking up discarded youngsters at a cut down price, it would be like the Poortvliet/Wotte season.

[Dellman]

15 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Bit of a Poortvliet/Woote feel to the upcoming season.

Quite the reverse, that was a season of despair from bankrupt beginnings, this is a season with hope from positive investment

[Appy]

21 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

Bit of a Poortvliet/Woote feel to the upcoming season.

Have they closed the corners of the stadium again? 

[DT]

Not many goals in the squad at moment 

[Suhari]

1 minute ago, DT said:

Not many goals in the squad at moment 

Very much this.

A big few weeks coming up for striker signings I think.

Jus had a flashback to Watson and Shipperley, for some reason.

[Dusic]

Interesting as we have been linked and possibly also for #colwillwatch

Love Palace's recent recruitment, no chance they are going down this season. Actually very few teams that seem capable of it outside us, Leeds, Brentford and the promoted sides.

[Appy]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

Interesting as we have been linked and possibly also for #colwillwatch

Love Palace's recent recruitment, no chance they are going down this season. Actually very few teams that seem capable of it outside us, Leeds, Brentford and the promoted sides.

Loving another team’s recruitment is a bit odd

[saint1977]

14 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Very much this.

A big few weeks coming up for striker signings I think.

Jus had a flashback to Watson and Shipperley, for some reason.

Yeah, I like some of the signings so far - Bazanu looks more agile than McCarthy or Forster, who was at least able to block the ball with sheer bulk - but can’t properly evaluate the window fully until 3 or 4 new offensive players in the striker and 10 areas come in. Some players to move on as well eg Bednarek, looked set for Serie A but maybe Roma or Napoli have to sell before they buy him. Also Ely either signing new deal or moving, ditto Moussa and Redmond. I can see the club letting Oriol run his last 12 months down but not several players they can get some ££ back on.

[SuperSAINT]

8 minutes ago, Appy said:

Loving another team’s recruitment is a bit odd

I think you can appreciate another sides recruitment.

[goodymatt]

That one didn’t last long…

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Suhari said:

 Jus had a flashback to Watson and Shipperley, for some reason.

We'll, one of them had the nickname of flash, and the other... 🙂

[Chez]

3 hours ago, saint1977 said:

Bednarek, looked set for Serie A but maybe Roma or Napoli have to sell before they buy him. 

Both have sold players already, Roma about £25m worth and spent about £7m. Napoli have sold well over £45m worth but spent a few bob too. Kvaratskhelia was about £10m and could become a star if he keeps progressing. 

I wonder if the links were just agent placed stories.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

Both have sold players already, Roma about £25m worth and spent about £7m. Napoli have sold well over £45m worth but spent a few bob too. Kvaratskhelia was about £10m and could become a star if he keeps progressing. 

I wonder if the links were just agent placed stories.

It does make you wonder. I've always wondered why teams of that ilk were interested in Bednarek, I guess it's because they saw a potential 'cheap' experienced option - but maybe we've told them he's not as cheap as they'd expected. If we're pricing him at £20m then we'll never get any buyers.

[tajjuk]

4 hours ago, Dusic said:

 

Love Palace's recent recruitment, no chance they are going down this season. Actually very few teams that seem capable of it outside us, Leeds, Brentford and the promoted sides.

People were 'loving' Villa's last year and that didn't go that well.

Also Palace have only signed Johnstone (meh),  a guy from a mid table side in Ligue 1 and a young kid from Derby, and one of their stand out players last year was Gallagher who they haven't replaced.

They very easily could go down IMO, their defence is not stellar and like us they have a distinct lack of goals seeing as Edouard (another player everyone was raving about) didn't really cut it. 

Also Zaha only has a year left on his deal and he scored double the goals of anyone else in their squad (and the person who scored the next highest was Gallagher!), if he finally gets his move they will be massively in trouble I reckon. 

[S-Clarke]

11 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

People were 'loving' Villa's last year and that didn't go that well.

Also Palace have only signed Johnstone (meh),  a guy from a mid table side in Ligue 1 and a young kid from Derby, and one of their stand out players last year was Gallagher who they haven't replaced.

They very easily could go down IMO, their defence is not stellar and like us they have a distinct lack of goals seeing as Edouard (another player everyone was raving about) didn't really cut it. 

Also Zaha only has a year left on his deal and he scored double the goals of anyone else in their squad (and the person who scored the next highest was Gallagher!), if he finally gets his move they will be massively in trouble I reckon. 

There are still a few clubs to do very little of note, which is a bit surprising. Brighton haven't done anything of note yet (they need to replace Bissouma and Burn). Leicester have openly said they have to sell before they can get anyone. We've just lumbered them with the crap that stopped us being able to buy anyone.

Bournemouth are the biggest surprise though. They've just got a free transfer in the door so far, they've got a lot of work to do if they're going to be competitive.

[woodsaint1]

10 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

People were 'loving' Villa's last year and that didn't go that well.

Also Palace have only signed Johnstone (meh),  a guy from a mid table side in Ligue 1 and a young kid from Derby, and one of their stand out players last year was Gallagher who they haven't replaced.

They very easily could go down IMO, their defence is not stellar and like us they have a distinct lack of goals seeing as Edouard (another player everyone was raving about) didn't really cut it. 

Also Zaha only has a year left on his deal and he scored double the goals of anyone else in their squad (and the person who scored the next highest was Gallagher!), if he finally gets his move they will be massively in trouble I reckon. 

Outside the top 7/8 last season, the remaining teams are possibilities for relegation at this stage. Theres always 1 or 2 teams who unexpectedly struggle, like Everton last season. Palace have recruited well since Vieira has come in but a bad injury to Zaha and a failure to adequately replace Gallagher and their season will have a different outlook.

[Saint Matty 76]

I mean we'd die for any one of Olise, Zaha or Eze. Cheikh Doucoure is meant to be really highly rated as well.

I don't think Palace are one to be worried. Leeds who've lost their best two players and made a load of punts, Brentford who have lost their best player who turned their form around and Everton who lost their top goalscorer and haven't yet been able to replace him who should be more concerned.

Alongside us and the three promoted teams, of course. 

[HarvSFC]

Yeah, Bournemouth are moving surprisingly slow with three weeks until the season's start. Especially, considering they went all or nothing in January, on deadline day to get here. With an inexperienced manager in Parker, also, they're a solid bet for relegation. Fulham are also moving slowly and a lot slower than usual. Maybe it's a new strategy, but Andreas Pereira is painfully average. Forest are doing what you'd hope your team would be doing after winning promotion. But, they've also had a lot of loanees to replace, so who knows. They look on paper to be the best equipped of the promoted lot, though and have the best manager of the promoted three.

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

I mean we'd die for any one of Olise, Zaha or Eze. Cheikh Doucoure is meant to be really highly rated as well.

I don't think Palace are one to be worried. Leeds who've lost their best two players and made a load of punts, Brentford who have lost their best player who turned their form around and Everton who lost their top goalscorer and haven't yet been able to replace him who should be more concerned.

Alongside us and the three promoted teams, of course. 

Good point on Everton, i think they're still struggling financially to be honest.

I think Brentford have done alright, some of the better recruits. I like Lewis-Potter, their LB is quality (Hickey) and their GK is a huge upgrade on who was their understudy last season. 

[Sharpshooter11]

Any truth in the Kasper Dolberg rumours doing the rounds on twitter? 

[verlaine1979]

3 minutes ago, Sharpshooter11 said:

Any truth in the Kasper Dolberg rumours doing the rounds on twitter? 

Oof, I wish. He looked fantastic during the euros.

[SaintsFan86]

13 minutes ago, Sharpshooter11 said:

Any truth in the Kasper Dolberg rumours doing the rounds on twitter? 

My understanding a poster just put up a random name, He likes the look of personally. He has credible recent news, So fans assume we are interested in buying him. Not saying it's false, But it's more a wish player.

[davefizzy14]

16 minutes ago, Sharpshooter11 said:

Any truth in the Kasper Dolberg rumours doing the rounds on twitter? 

Where did you see this?

[ally_uk]

Dolberg would be a superb acquisition! 👌 

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, Sharpshooter11 said:

Any truth in the Kasper Dolberg rumours doing the rounds on twitter? 

There aren't any. Put his name in Twitter and there lots of posts with rumours linking him with Brentford and Leicester and then a handful of Saints fan accounts saying they'd like him. Also Leicester and Brentford fan accounts saying they'd like him.

 

 

Edited 19 July, 2022 by CB Fry

[Dusic]

Whilst we have done some good early business, what about outgoings?

Seems clear to me that in order to really do what we would like to then we need to be shedding a few players, especially in these areas:

Centre Back - we seemingly want Colwill but already have Salisu, Bednarek, ABK, Lyanco, Stephens, Valery, Simeu.

We can assume Simeu will leave on loan but to add Colwill would surely need to lose at least 2 of the others. Bednarek probably worth the most but no takers as yet. Maybe we loan Lyanco to a Serie A team or Stephens to a Championship contender but we aren't going to recoup any cash for them. Lyanco's signing was pointless - we needed to sign a starting player not an erratic backup who couldn't speak English.

In a back 3 I prefer Valery to either Lyanco or Stephens and if we are to go with 5 CBs in the squad then he would be an ideal 5th. IMO this would leave us with the best pool: Salisu, ABK, Bednarek, Colwill, Valery

No 10 - we arguably need to two signings in this position but one will ok as long as its a player who is good enough to go straight into the team and who is a goal threat. However, we already have: Aribo, Armstrong, Moi, Walcott, Djenepo, Redmond, Tella, Smallbone and thats before we consider Edwards, Doyle etc.

Seems clear Walcott is on his way out. IMO Redmond is better than almost all of those listed but its probably time for a fresh challenge without the mental baggage of his time here and seems like that might be the plan after being left at home. But really no need to have more than 4 in this position, 5 max, so even if Tella is considered as a (non scoring) striker and then we need to get rid of two of Djenepo, Smallbone and Moi. Considering his potential and pre season performance Smallbone is playing himself into being a keep and would also be easy to loan out towards the end of the window. 

Both Djenepo and Moi have one year left and hopefully neither being offered an extension. Djenepo can do that LWB role but has no end product whereas Moi, whilst one paced and predictable, does offer more of a goal threat.

Centre Mid - this is a bit easier and is another reason to keep Smallbone around. I think after signing Lavia we can afford to let Diallo go without signing anyone else.

We have Lavia and Romeu as specialist #6 with JWP who can also do it. Then Aribo, Armstrong, Smallbone & JWP who can play as an #8. 

Overall summary - we need to start selling/loaning some CBs and #10s to make way for new additions as are carrying too much dross.

 

 

[SuperSAINT]

“Southampton saw a permanent move for striker Liam Delap rejected this month as City prefer to loan him out, with a Championship club favoured. Burnley could enter the equation yet again.“ - The Athletic

[bangkoksaint]

13 hours ago, Suhari said:

Very much this.

A big few weeks coming up for striker signings I think.

Jus had a flashback to Watson and Shipperley, for some reason.

I think it’s appropriate to use the term ‘flash’ with Watson ……..just not Shipperley! 😉

[Saints foreva]

9 hours ago, tajjuk said:

People were 'loving' Villa's last year and that didn't go that well.

Also Palace have only signed Johnstone (meh),  a guy from a mid table side in Ligue 1 and a young kid from Derby, and one of their stand out players last year was Gallagher who they haven't replaced.

They very easily could go down IMO, their defence is not stellar and like us they have a distinct lack of goals seeing as Edouard (another player everyone was raving about) didn't really cut it. 

Also Zaha only has a year left on his deal and he scored double the goals of anyone else in their squad (and the person who scored the next highest was Gallagher!), if he finally gets his move they will be massively in trouble I reckon. 

I agree that without Zaha they'll struggle for goals but defensively they were pretty good last season, far better than we were. 

[tajjuk]

55 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

“Southampton saw a permanent move for striker Liam Delap rejected this month as City prefer to loan him out, with a Championship club favoured. Burnley could enter the equation yet again.“ - The Athletic

Delap is what 19? Haaland is 21, Alvarez is 21 and despite having no strikers most of last season he didn't get much of a look in, and they now have two players barely older than him, surely the guy wants more than loan moves and can see there is no real pathway to the team for him? 

[coalman]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Whilst we have done some good early business, what about outgoings?

Seems clear to me that in order to really do what we would like to then we need to be shedding a few players, especially in these areas:

Centre Back - we seemingly want Colwill but already have Salisu, Bednarek, ABK, Lyanco, Stephens, Valery, Simeu.

We can assume Simeu will leave on loan but to add Colwill would surely need to lose at least 2 of the others. Bednarek probably worth the most but no takers as yet. Maybe we loan Lyanco to a Serie A team or Stephens to a Championship contender but we aren't going to recoup any cash for them. Lyanco's signing was pointless - we needed to sign a starting player not an erratic backup who couldn't speak English.

In a back 3 I prefer Valery to either Lyanco or Stephens and if we are to go with 5 CBs in the squad then he would be an ideal 5th. IMO this would leave us with the best pool: Salisu, ABK, Bednarek, Colwill, Valery

No 10 - we arguably need to two signings in this position but one will ok as long as its a player who is good enough to go straight into the team and who is a goal threat. However, we already have: Aribo, Armstrong, Moi, Walcott, Djenepo, Redmond, Tella, Smallbone and thats before we consider Edwards, Doyle etc.

Seems clear Walcott is on his way out. IMO Redmond is better than almost all of those listed but its probably time for a fresh challenge without the mental baggage of his time here and seems like that might be the plan after being left at home. But really no need to have more than 4 in this position, 5 max, so even if Tella is considered as a (non scoring) striker and then we need to get rid of two of Djenepo, Smallbone and Moi. Considering his potential and pre season performance Smallbone is playing himself into being a keep and would also be easy to loan out towards the end of the window. 

Both Djenepo and Moi have one year left and hopefully neither being offered an extension. Djenepo can do that LWB role but has no end product whereas Moi, whilst one paced and predictable, does offer more of a goal threat.

Centre Mid - this is a bit easier and is another reason to keep Smallbone around. I think after signing Lavia we can afford to let Diallo go without signing anyone else.

We have Lavia and Romeu as specialist #6 with JWP who can also do it. Then Aribo, Armstrong, Smallbone & JWP who can play as an #8. 

Overall summary - we need to start selling/loaning some CBs and #10s to make way for new additions as are carrying too much dross.

 

 

Agree with all that.

Seems like we're at that point where we need some outgoings.

2 from 3 of Valery, Stephens and Bednarek (or all three if we get Colwill)

A large chunk of our attacking midfielders. Yesterday our play was crisp until we got near the opposing box. On their day, Redmond, Djenepo and Tella can all stretch the defence. I just wish that day was more often. And for the rest I've lost track of the number of times I see an overlapping fullback who is ignored to stop and pass backward. I don't know if it's an awareness or a coaching thing.

I'm happier with our defence and centre mid than I've been in years though.

[coalman]

2 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Delap is what 19? Haaland is 21, Alvarez is 21 and despite having no strikers most of last season he didn't get much of a look in, and they now have two players barely older than him, surely the guy wants more than loan moves and can see there is no real pathway to the team for him? 

City may think a season on loan ups his value by 10-20m in the same way it did for Broja at Chelsea. For City and Chelsea the academy is a money making thing.

[tajjuk]

5 minutes ago, coalman said:

City may think a season on loan ups his value by 10-20m in the same way it did for Broja at Chelsea. For City and Chelsea the academy is a money making thing.

True but as an example Broja seems to be pushing hard for a permanent move rather than another loan, so you'd think Delpa himself would be pushing for a similar move if its there. I am also not sure a loan to Burnley in the Championship is likely to change things massively.  We've already plucked high scoring players out of the championship in Armstrong and Che for around the £15 million mark, I don't think anyone is suddenly paying £25-30 million for Delap if he scores say 20 goals in the Championship. 

It also seems a convenient link considering its Kompany who is their manager, old Man City legend gets Man City youngsters on loan. 

Edited 19 July, 2022 by tajjuk

[Matthew Le God]

 

 

Edited 19 July, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[coalman]

26 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

True but as an example Broja seems to be pushing hard for a permanent move rather than another loan, so you'd think Delpa himself would be pushing for a similar move if its there. I am also not sure a loan to Burnley in the Championship is likely to change things massively.  We've already plucked high scoring players out of the championship in Armstrong and Che for around the £15 million mark, I don't think anyone is suddenly paying £25-30 million for Delap if he scores say 20 goals in the Championship. 

It also seems a convenient link considering its Kompany who is their manager, old Man City legend gets Man City youngsters on loan. 

Broja had two season long loans before he got to that point and was prepared to sign a long Chelsea contract last summer.

That being said I think it's increasingly clear to players in City and Chelsea's academies that their path to first team football is likely to be through a permanent move.

I really hope Delap sees it this way too and we can sign him up.

Edited 19 July, 2022 by coalman

[John B]

3 minutes ago, coalman said:

Broja had two season long loans before he got to that point and was prepared to sign a long Chelsea contract last summer.

That being said I think it's increasingly clear to players in City and Chelsea's academies that their path to first team football is likely to be through a permanent move.

I really hope Delap sees it this way too and we can sign him up.

Why would Delap want to come to a struggling PL side which is probably going to be involved in a relegation fight

 

May be better to go to Burnley in the Championship score a few goals get some confidence and develop

[SuperSAINT]

42 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Delap is what 19? Haaland is 21, Alvarez is 21 and despite having no strikers most of last season he didn't get much of a look in, and they now have two players barely older than him, surely the guy wants more than loan moves and can see there is no real pathway to the team for him? 

City probably protecting investment.

You’d of thought they’d just loan him to us.

[tajjuk]

8 minutes ago, John B said:

Why would Delap want to come to a struggling PL side which is probably going to be involved in a relegation fight

 

May be better to go to Burnley in the Championship score a few goals get some confidence and develop

'Struggling'? We haven't even started the season yet, how can we be 'struggling'. At no point last year were we really involved in a relegation battle. Most players would prefer to play in the PL and playing at the highest level is surely best for their development. We also will have better coaches and facilities as well. 

Also Burnley have lost most of their good players, seemingly are in debt and have a relatively inexperienced manager, they could just as easily be struggling in the Championship next year. 

[CB Fry]

I wish we were Burnley.

[EBS1980]

I’m sure City would prefer to loan him to PL side to increase their chance of a bigger selling price next year. If you have a good Championship season there would still be doubts of if you could cut it in PL

[John B]

7 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

'Struggling'? We haven't even started the season yet, how can we be 'struggling'. At no point last year were we really involved in a relegation battle. Most players would prefer to play in the PL and playing at the highest level is surely best for their development. We also will have better coaches and facilities as well. 

Also Burnley have lost most of their good players, seemingly are in debt and have a relatively inexperienced manager, they could just as easily be struggling in the Championship next year. 

I do not know what you consider struggling is but the results and form from the last part of the season suggest to many that we are candidates for relegation including the bookmakers so sending a young player to us is pretty risky I would have thought.

 

City are trying to develop Delap so sending Delap to the Championship maybe a better option but being a striker in the PL is not easy 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

59 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

True but as an example Broja seems to be pushing hard for a permanent move rather than another loan, so you'd think Delpa himself would be pushing for a similar move if its there. I am also not sure a loan to Burnley in the Championship is likely to change things massively.  We've already plucked high scoring players out of the championship in Armstrong and Che for around the £15 million mark, I don't think anyone is suddenly paying £25-30 million for Delap if he scores say 20 goals in the Championship. 

It also seems a convenient link considering its Kompany who is their manager, old Man City legend gets Man City youngsters on loan. 

Armstrong and Che were both running down their contracts and a fair bit older than Delap

[ErwinK1961]

Certainly looks like we’re looking to do permanent deals over loans, which I guess is a refreshing change.

Maybe after what happened with Broja, we wanted a permanent deal for Delap and City have said no, so we’re not pursuing any further.

[Pilchards]

7 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Certainly looks like we’re looking to do permanent deals over loans, which I guess is a refreshing change.

Maybe after what happened with Broja, we wanted a permanent deal for Delap and City have said no, so we’re not pursuing any further.

Or perhaps they are now looking at a loan deal for Delap instead of the other loan they had lined up elsewhere.

Im pretty sure things change everyday.