Summer 2022 Transfer Window

[igsey]

I wonder if we'll be bringing in a Cuco Martina-like full back to cover both sides with Tino out until Christmas?

[Teddeer]

I have this nagging feeling that we're going to sign Harry Winks. Hope I'm wrong.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 12/05/2022 at 21:46, igsey said:

I wonder if we'll be bringing in a Cuco Martina-like full back to cover both sides with Tino out until Christmas?

Expand  

If Small has progressed, they may switch between KWP, Perraud and him. Valery and JWP are options at RB. Ramsay and Vokins will be back from loan too.

[Dusic]

Ramsay and Vokins should both be sold or loaned out again, for their own benefit.

Neither will make it in the PL, both should have decent careers - Vokins has the higher potential of the two.

IMO need to be more ruthless with these and the likes of N'Lundulu. They have already been replaced.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

I could see them hanging onto one of them, probably Valery to provide that stop gap option, and for CB, until Tino is back. Especially if it means focusing on all the other areas that need starter improvements.

[Chez]

  On 11/05/2022 at 12:53, Charlie Wayman said:

Having fallen for all the hype and bullshit surrounding Adams and Armstrong in their Championship days, one hopes we will not again fall into the trap of grabbing a bargain from the lower leagues.

Expand  

Interesting to see what Championship (and lower) players have been bought by Prem sides (without them having been tested in the Prem before) and their relative success to date. Note that these are just those that are there (and some have a lot of football to play). I guess others will have been acquired and failed - hence no longer at the clubs, so this list shows the current `successes'.

Liverpool - Gomez

Spurs - Sessegnon

West Ham - Bowen, Benrahma, Fredericks

Leicester - Maddison, James Justin

Newcastle - Lascelles, Darlow

Villa - Matty Cash, Watkins, Ezri Konsa

Brighton - Maupay, Adam Webster

Palace - Olise, Eze

Saints - Adams, Stephens

Everton - Calvert-Lewin

Burnley - Pope, Connor Roberts, Brownhill, Charlie Taylor

Norwich - Max Aarons

 

[SNSUN]

I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. 

[saint1977]

  On 12/05/2022 at 22:15, Dusic said:

Ramsay and Vokins should both be sold or loaned out again, for their own benefit.

Neither will make it in the PL, both should have decent careers - Vokins has the higher potential of the two.

IMO need to be more ruthless with these and the likes of N'Lundulu. They have already been replaced.

Expand  

I get the academy is vital to the club’s DNA and great to see the age teams flying again but it’s become an old boys club which also wastes a lot of £££ at times. Theo, Ramsay, N’Lundulu, Vokins and Valery. Only the latter really played beyond October but that’s a lot of money to waste. Tella needs to move on this summer as well, I like him but 23 now and one goal and one assist at first team level? Obafemi is an example of moving down but moving forward. Redmond and Ely need to move on as well, Theo coaching role and 2x new first team 10s. Little faith it will happen I’m afraid.

[saint1977]

  On 13/05/2022 at 06:49, SNSUN said:

I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. 

Expand  

Decent shout if a reasonable fee which Newcastle might let him go for as good servant there. Bednarek clearly unhappy so selling him could be a straight trade elsewhere financially and Salisu gets a CB partner who gives a shit. Would enable heftier investment in the 10s area although Redmond, Ely, Tella all need to move and Theo into coaching.

[Saint86]

  On 13/05/2022 at 06:49, SNSUN said:

I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. 

Expand  

Absolutely not!! Newcastle fan's wanted him gone before the takeover and everyone should have seen the difference in their defence since signing the mighty Dan Burn to replace him. 

Edited 13 May, 2022 by Saint86

[skintsaint]

  On 13/05/2022 at 07:31, saint1977 said:

Theo into coaching.

Expand  

More like into Physio work, would have picked up a lot of hints and tips over the years.

[Dman]

  On 13/05/2022 at 07:31, saint1977 said:

Theo into coaching.

Expand  

I can’t help but think he would be a terrible coach. 

He has very little technical ability (or brain) and is basically just quick. Well used to be quick, he’s not any more, hence why he doesn’t make the squad. 

[Suhari]

  On 12/05/2022 at 21:46, igsey said:

I wonder if we'll be bringing in a Cuco Martina-like full back to cover both sides with Tino out until Christmas?

Expand  

Been wondering if we'll go back for Brandon Williams? He can play both sides.

Not sure how he really got on at Norwich: looked a little shaky in his early games (according to wisdom on here), then got some decent reviews in the papers I believe. Performance in poor Norwich team is maybe not the best way to judge a player though. Utd would probably want stupid money again.

Edited 13 May, 2022 by Suhari

[Saint86]

  On 13/05/2022 at 08:13, Dman said:

I can’t help but think he would be a terrible coach. 

He has very little technical ability (or brain) and is basically just quick. Well used to be quick, he’s not any more, hence why he doesn’t make the squad. 

Expand  

He is still one of the fastest players at the club. See the recent Tella/Salisu interview 😉

[Dman]

  On 13/05/2022 at 08:28, Saint86 said:

He is still one of the fastest players at the club. See the recent Tella/Salisu interview 😉

Expand  

Just even more shit then. In fairness, he plays in a role which requires a degree of technical ability and you need to be decent on the ball. He’s a kick and run merchant, so doesn’t suit that at all. 
 

I’ve always thought he’d be better suited to us up top next to Adams. Surely would have been a better option than Long 

[skintsaint]

  On 13/05/2022 at 08:28, Saint86 said:

He is still one of the fastest players at the club.

Expand  

I would be as well running my 75k a week to the bank for doing sweet FA.

[Saint86]

  On 13/05/2022 at 08:30, Dman said:

Just even more shit then. In fairness, he plays in a role which requires a degree of technical ability and you need to be decent on the ball. He’s a kick and run merchant, so doesn’t suit that at all. 
 

I’ve always thought he’d be better suited to us up top next to Adams. Surely would have been a better option than Long 

Expand  

Its not like his finishing is any worse than our other strikers in fairness... 🤣

He's sadly another one of those players ruined by Wenger and the big club move. Went there too young, barely played at the start, had the whoe england hype/fiasco, and then a manager that tried to turn him into something he wasn't. He should have stayed a striker.

Edited 13 May, 2022 by Saint86

[The Cat]

  On 13/05/2022 at 08:40, Saint86 said:

Its not like his finishing is any worse than our other strikers in fairness... 🤣

He's sadly another one of those players ruined by Wenger and the big club move. Went there too young, barely played at the start, had the whoe england hype/fiasco, and then a manager that tried to turn him into something he wasn't. He should have stayed a striker.

Expand  

Think that serious injury he got against Spurs messed him up. Lost the extra yard of pace and was never really the same after that.

Doesn't have the other abilities to influence games at the top level without it.

[S-Clarke]

An interesting RB option we may go for...

Ryan Fredericks, out of contract at WHU. We were very keen when he was at Fulham.

Could be a decent freebie to add some experienced depth.

[SuperSAINT]

  On 13/05/2022 at 12:25, S-Clarke said:

An interesting RB option we may go for...

Ryan Fredericks, out of contract at WHU. We were very keen when he was at Fulham.

Could be a decent freebie to add some experienced depth.

Expand  

I feel like he’s been linked for several seasons.

[Chez]

  On 13/05/2022 at 08:15, Suhari said:

Been wondering if we'll go back for Brandon Williams? He can play both sides.

Not sure how he really got on at Norwich: looked a little shaky in his early games (according to wisdom on here), then got some decent reviews in the papers I believe. Performance in poor Norwich team is maybe not the best way to judge a player though. Utd would probably want stupid money again.

Expand  

he looked poor, exposed and didn't improve them as a side. At United he looked a good prospect IMO and I thought a loan to us made a lot of sense. He marauded down the left and his ability to put in a devilish cross using his left, despite being right footed, suggested he was a talent.  At Norwich it was more about poor positional play, a lack of cutting edge pace and a failure to shutdown opposing wingers. He's still young and players like Bertrand had pretty average loan spells, so he might still be worth looking at - especially on a loan basis, although the wages were hefty as I recall.

[Chez]

  On 13/05/2022 at 12:25, S-Clarke said:

An interesting RB option we may go for...

Ryan Fredericks, out of contract at WHU. We were very keen when he was at Fulham.

Could be a decent freebie to add some experienced depth.

Expand  

Looked good in the Championship, but not sure he has excelled at the level above. At 29 he ain't getting better and he ain't going to make us money by improving and selling - so doesn't fit the business model.

[Chez]

  On 13/05/2022 at 09:37, The Cat said:

Think that serious injury he got against Spurs messed him up. Lost the extra yard of pace and was never really the same after that.

Doesn't have the other abilities to influence games at the top level without it.

Expand  

this. He looked slower this season than last though. Maybe him just getting up and down the line last season didn't expose that lack of blistering pace like it has this season when he got opportunities further forward. Not sure I can see him getting `it' back next season either, sadly.

[Saint_clark]

  On 13/05/2022 at 13:31, Chez said:

Looked good in the Championship, but not sure he has excelled at the level above. At 29 he ain't getting better and he ain't going to make us money by improving and selling - so doesn't fit the business model.

Expand  

In fairness we're only looking for backup to KWP and a stopgap till Tino is fit again. Signing a more experienced player on a one year deal might make sense.

[Chez]

  On 13/05/2022 at 13:46, Saint_clark said:

In fairness we're only looking for backup to KWP and a stopgap till Tino is fit again. Signing a more experienced player on a one year deal might make sense.

Expand  

fair point. Not sure players at his level are keen to sign one year deals. It's a tricky situation. It would be nice to loan someone even better, but easier said than done. We feel wafer thin at full back, unless you have any confidence in Valery.

 

 

[Dman]

  On 13/05/2022 at 13:46, Saint_clark said:

In fairness we're only looking for backup to KWP and a stopgap till Tino is fit again. Signing a more experienced player on a one year deal might make sense.

Expand  

Still wouldn’t mind us having a look at Tanganga. Can play anywhere across the back 4 (probably not a great wingback tho, that being said). 

Suits our model of ‘good player but not quite good enough for big 6, yet) and has the added benefit of being Young, hungry and therefore guaranteed to improve. 

[DT]

Seem to be, quite suddenly, a lot of names being bandied about in the press who we are supposedly interested in (mostly with caveats). Is it season ticket renewal time?

[Lighthouse]

  On 13/05/2022 at 15:44, DT said:

Seem to be, quite suddenly, a lot of names being bandied about in the press who we are supposedly interested in (mostly with caveats). Is it season ticket renewal time?

Expand  

It’s the summer transfer window, showtime for agents and journalists alike. Is this news to you?

[Chez]

  On 13/05/2022 at 15:44, DT said:

Seem to be, quite suddenly, a lot of names being bandied about in the press who we are supposedly interested in (mostly with caveats). Is it season ticket renewal time?

Expand  

We have this discussion most summers. 

Which do you think is more likely. Agents giving a `heads up' to a journalist, helping give his client exposure and the journalist gets a story...or, Saints feeding stories of their interest in a range of players to a journalist to help sell season tickets? 

Has a single fan ever bought a season ticket because he thinks the club are being active in the transfer market? Equally, has any fan not bought a season ticket because he thought the cub wasn't going to be active?

My guess, is that the club keeps its transfer business very close to its chest, so as not to draw attention that effect a deal going through...and...doesn't waste its time feeding false stories to the press to make it look like it being busy. 

[Guest]

  On 12/05/2022 at 21:11, Saint Garrett said:

Isn’t Mukiele a RB, rather than a CB? 

Expand  

He started out as a CB but has been a full back the last year or so at RBL but has found opportunities hard to come by.

Apparently he is now surplus to requirements.

[Turkish]

  On 13/05/2022 at 06:49, SNSUN said:

I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. 

Expand  

Be decent alongside Salisu. Not the greatest in the world but a step up from what we’ve got and a good bit of experience 

[Matthew Le God]

  On 13/05/2022 at 22:05, Turkish said:

Be decent alongside Salisu. Not the greatest in the world but a step up from what we’ve got and a good bit of experience 

Expand  

I'd rather have Bednarek. Just because you want him upgraded, doesn't mean any old other bottom half quality centre back is an improvement. Lacelles is very limited!

Edited 14 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[AlexLaw76]

  On 13/05/2022 at 22:55, Matthew Le God said:

I'd rather have Bednarek.

Expand  

You’d be wrong 

[Lighthouse]

I think it says something about how low expectations have fallen that in recent days I’ve seen people suggest we keep Shane Long and sign Jeff Schlupp and Jamaal Lascelles.

[Baird of the land]

  On 13/05/2022 at 06:49, SNSUN said:

I just read Newcastle are selling Jermaine Lascelles this summer. I'd have a punt on him as a bit of experience at CB. Decent player. Obviously Toon are aiming higher. 

Expand  

Yeah I think he could a very good signing (dependent on the fee). Add some leadership at the back.

[Toussaint]

  On 13/05/2022 at 08:28, Saint86 said:

He is still one of the fastest players at the club. See the recent Tella/Salisu interview 😉

Expand  

He may be, but what I have noticed is he has lost the initial burst of pace, which is what happens when you get older. In his case too old to be effective at his game, he doesn’t have much else in his locker to be of value in any other role. And no to coaching, we owe him absolutely nothing, that would be yet another sentimental decision.

[Turkish]

  On 13/05/2022 at 22:55, Matthew Le God said:

I'd rather have Bednarek.

Expand  

Enough said 

[Turkish]

  On 13/05/2022 at 23:05, Lighthouse said:

I think it says something about how low expectations have fallen that in recent days I’ve seen people suggest we keep Shane Long and sign Jeff Schlupp and Jamaal Lascelles.

Expand  

Lacelles was part of my champions league winning Eastleigh team on FM2013 sunshine 

[Matthew Le God]

 

[Chez]

  On 13/05/2022 at 22:55, Matthew Le God said:

I'd rather have Bednarek.

Expand  

Lascelles doesn't feel like a step up to me either. He is not quicker and is uncomfortable with the ball at his feet, which is a major problem. He might be better in the air, maybe. Lascelles has been Newcastke skipper, so obviously has leadership qualities, but I am not sure you will find many Newcastle fans thinking he can help them get to the promise land. I suspect that if we had watched him play for Saints every week, we'd be wanting to upgrade from him this summer.

Edited 14 May, 2022 by Chez

[Saint Garrett]

I don’t think Lacelles is a brilliant player, but he’s clearly a leader and better than Bednarek. I’d take him. 

[Turkish]

  On 14/05/2022 at 09:09, Saint Garrett said:

I don’t think Lacelles is a brilliant player, but he’s clearly a leader and better than Bednarek. I’d take him. 

Expand  

Exactly, it’s that sort of character we need. I’d still love us to get Tarkowski but don’t think we will or would 

[Matthew Le God]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:01, Turkish said:

Exactly, it’s that sort of character we need. 

Expand  

Signing 'good characters' is what lumbered Saints with Walcott on a contract until 2023!

We could do a lot better than Lacelles if we want to upgrade on Bednarek!

[Guest]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:04, Matthew Le God said:

Signing 'good characters' is what lumbered Saints with Walcott on a contract until 2023!

We could do a lot better than Lacelles if we want to upgrade on Bednarek!

Expand  

A wheelie bin would be an upgrade, or a lamp post.

[Matthew Le God]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:06, FarehamSaintJames said:

A wheelie bin would be an upgrade, or a lamp post.

Expand  

Just because you want Bednarek upgraded, doesn't mean any old other bottom half quality centre back is an improvement. Lacelles is very limited! We could get a lot better than him.

[Turkish]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:04, Matthew Le God said:

Signing 'good characters' is what lumbered Saints with Walcott on a contract until 2023!

We could do a lot better than Lacelles if we want to upgrade on Bednarek!

Expand  

We need leaders and winners, that wasn’t the reason we signed walcott

yet again you prove your understanding of sport is restricted to computer games 

[Matthew Le God]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:39, Turkish said:

We need leaders and winners, that wasn’t the reason we signed walcott

yet again you prove your understanding of sport is restricted to computer games 

Expand  

1) What makes you think Lacelles is a good leader? Or even a better leader than Bednarek? 

2) What makes you think Lacelles is a 'winner'?

[Turkish]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:42, Matthew Le God said:

1) What makes you think Lacelles is a good leader? Or even a better leader than Bednarek? 

2) What makes you think Lacelles is a 'winner'?

Expand  

What makes you think Bednarek is better?

[Matthew Le God]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:45, Turkish said:

What makes you think Bednarek is better?

Expand  

Better at what?

Being a leader? I did not say he was. But I also did not say he wasn't. I simply don't know, and wonder how you might?

If you mean as a player, then from watching them both and their match stats.

[Turkish]

  On 14/05/2022 at 12:47, Matthew Le God said:

Better at what?

Being a leader? I did not say he was. But I also did not say he wasn't. I simply don't know, and wonder how you might?

If you mean as a player, then from watching them both and their match stats.

Expand  

In my original post on this thread you responded with you’d prefer Bedenark. So unless you’d prefer a player that is worse, then you must think Bednarek is better, it’s not hard.