Russia

[badgerx16]

Jonnyboy - why the laughing emoji in response ?

We all know you like to try to provide a counter argument by presenting the Kremlin's alternative universe view, but the Maidan was most certainly not a coup d'etat.

[Lighthouse]

On 15/12/2022 at 20:09, badgerx16 said:

The Russian Parliament is in the process of passing a law that decriminalises any action carried out in Ukraine if it can be considered to have been enacted "in the interests of the Russian Federation".

Given that they were already okay with industrial scale rape and murder, I’m not entirely sure what this law is supposed to be enabling. Perhaps they want it enshrined in their constitution, so that they can start handing out medals for ‘exemplary raping in a combat scenario’.

[badgerx16]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Given that they were already okay with industrial scale rape and murder, I’m not entirely sure what this law is supposed to be enabling. Perhaps they want it enshrined in their constitution, so that they can start handing out medals for ‘exemplary raping in a combat scenario’.

I think they are just formalising their 2 fingered gesture towards the Hague.

[skintsaint]

https://www.newsweek.com/million-russians-call-surrender-hotline-death-toll-nears-100k-intel-1767956

Take that with a pinch of salt.

[buctootim]

On 16/12/2022 at 18:05, Jonnyboy said:

Shame that the Maiden coup ever took place really. All this death and destruction on both sides would likely never have happened. 

You think the Ukrainians should have meekly accepted their President taking a £1 billion bribe from Putin to reverse the closer ties to EU platform he was elected on and instead did a 180 degree turn to move closer to Russia?   Guess you're on the side of oligarchies Jonny and not the people as you always like to pretend.    

This is the private house of a man who only ever worked for the Government and never had a salary of more than £37,000pa

 

Edited 18 December, 2022 by buctootim

[Spark]

On 28/11/2022 at 19:23, badgerx16 said:

Moved from the World Cup thread;

Germany sent 1000 anti-tank and 500 anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine within a week of the invasion starting. On March 24, exactly a month after it started they sent 2000 more AT missiles, and committed to over 2000 more AA systems. By then they had also given permission for the Dutch and Estonians to release German manufactured heavy weapons to Ukraine. ( Remember, the German constitution had forbidden this before Putin forced them to re-assess things ).

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/26/germany-approves-delivery-of-rpgs-from-netherlands-to-ukraine

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-germany-to-send-2-000-more-anti-tank-weapons-to-ukraine-report-2839664

 

They didnt actually send jack shit for ages, they promised then didn't deliver for months. Why do you have a selective memory? 

[Spark]

On 28/11/2022 at 19:23, badgerx16 said:

Moved from the World Cup thread;

Germany sent 1000 anti-tank and 500 anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine within a week of the invasion starting. On March 24, exactly a month after it started they sent 2000 more AT missiles, and committed to over 2000 more AA systems. By then they had also given permission for the Dutch and Estonians to release German manufactured heavy weapons to Ukraine. ( Remember, the German constitution had forbidden this before Putin forced them to re-assess things ).

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/26/germany-approves-delivery-of-rpgs-from-netherlands-to-ukraine

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-germany-to-send-2-000-more-anti-tank-weapons-to-ukraine-report-2839664

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1583334/germany-news-germany-ukraine-russia-war-weapons-olaf-sholz-weaponsGermany 'breaks promise to send arms to Ukraine' as tensions rise
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/21/germany-delivers-first-shipment-heavy-weapons-ukraine-five-months/

[Weston Super Saint]

The Ukrainians are in serious trouble now.  Putin is sending a band to the front line.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64016599

Quote

Russia says it will deploy musicians to the front lines of its war in Ukraine in a bid to boost morale.

 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Spark said:

They didnt actually send jack shit for ages, they promised then didn't deliver for months. Why do you have a selective memory? 

 

2 hours ago, Spark said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1583334/germany-news-germany-ukraine-russia-war-weapons-olaf-sholz-weaponsGermany 'breaks promise to send arms to Ukraine' as tensions rise
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/21/germany-delivers-first-shipment-heavy-weapons-ukraine-five-months/

I don't see any benefit in an anti-European post - Brexit dick measuring contest as to who does what in support of Ukraine. What matters is that every EU and NATO member is contributing something, as are many, many, other countries around the globe. Of course Germany could do more; so could the French, the Spanish, and probably even the UK, but considering Germany's history think of the visuals of them intervening in a war that is supposedly being fought by Russia against Nazism, ( I know that assertion is bollocks but the Russians and their supporters would love it ). Also, remember that Germany was a prime mover in instigating the  1917 Russian Revolution.

Politics, especially International politics, is a murky business, and even uniting, at face value, the Western nations in support of Kyiv will have involved a lot of issues being suppressed for the sake of presentation.

[Whitey Grandad]

8 hours ago, buctootim said:

You think the Ukrainians should have meekly accepted their President taking a £1 billion bribe from Putin to reverse the closer ties to EU platform he was elected on and instead did a 180 degree turn to move closer to Russia?   Guess you're on the side of oligarchies Jonny and not the people as you always like to pretend.    

This is the private house of a man who only ever worked for the Government and never had a salary of more than £37,000pa

 

It’s amazing how cheap property is in Ukraine.

[Jonnyboy]

11 hours ago, buctootim said:

You think the Ukrainians should have meekly accepted their President taking a £1 billion bribe from Putin to reverse the closer ties to EU platform he was elected on and instead did a 180 degree turn to move closer to Russia?   Guess you're on the side of oligarchies Jonny and not the people as you always like to pretend.    

This is the private house of a man who only ever worked for the Government and never had a salary of more than £37,000pa

 

Are you seriously telling me you think that picture isnt photoshopped?! 

Jeez, no wonder the media on bith sides can manipulate people at will. 

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Jonnyboy said:

Are you seriously telling me you think that picture isnt photoshopped?! 

Jeez, no wonder the media on bith sides can manipulate people at will. 

Ive been there. Its a public museum now. Maybe you can dismiss the 1 million visitor a year as fakes  too? 

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/AttractionToursAndTickets-g4917417-d9732821-Mezhyhirya_Residence_Museum-Novi_Petrivtsi_Kiev_Oblast.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/world/2019/10/10/former-ukrainian-presidents-estate-now-museum-corruption/3930071002/

Edited 18 December, 2022 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, buctootim said:

Ive been there. Its a public museum now. Maybe you can dismiss the 1 million visitor a year as fakes  too? 

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/AttractionToursAndTickets-g4917417-d9732821-Mezhyhirya_Residence_Museum-Novi_Petrivtsi_Kiev_Oblast.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/world/2019/10/10/former-ukrainian-presidents-estate-now-museum-corruption/3930071002/

Obviously crisis actors.

[badgerx16]

10 hours ago, Jonnyboy said:

Are you seriously telling me you think that picture isnt photoshopped?! 

Jeez, no wonder the media on bith sides can manipulate people at will. 

And you are the classic example of denying everything that doesn't fit your selected narrative.

How exactly is the 4 day SMO going ?

Edited 19 December, 2022 by badgerx16

[Jonnyboy]

9 hours ago, buctootim said:

Ive been there. Its a public museum now. Maybe you can dismiss the 1 million visitor a year as fakes  too? 

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/AttractionToursAndTickets-g4917417-d9732821-Mezhyhirya_Residence_Museum-Novi_Petrivtsi_Kiev_Oblast.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/world/2019/10/10/former-ukrainian-presidents-estate-now-museum-corruption/3930071002/

Lol fair enough, you have to admit its a weird looking picture though. 

I'm liking all this conversion to hateful "Corbynism" though. I'm all in favour of violently confiscating private mansions and royal palaces to return them to the people to share. When is it happening here? 

 

[buctootim]

53 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said:

Lol fair enough, you have to admit its a weird looking picture though. 

I'm liking all this conversion to hateful "Corbynism" though. I'm all in favour of violently confiscating private mansions and royal palaces to return them to the people to share. When is it happening here? 

 

Are you not able to grasp the difference between private property bought with corruptly embezzled funds and Government buildings used to house heads of state and ministers for the period of time they hold office? 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Jonnyboy said:

Lol fair enough, you have to admit its a weird looking picture though. 

I'm liking all this conversion to hateful "Corbynism" though. I'm all in favour of violently confiscating private mansions and royal palaces to return them to the people to share. When is it happening here? 

 

Buckingham Palace is property of The Crown, ie the State, and not the personal property of the Monarch.

[Whitey Grandad]

22 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Buckingham Palace is property of The Crown, ie the State, and not the personal property of the Monarch.

Indeed. Only Sandringham and Balmoral are the property  of the monarch.

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, Jonnyboy said:

Lol fair enough, you have to admit its a weird looking picture though. 

I'm liking all this conversion to hateful "Corbynism" though. I'm all in favour of violently confiscating private mansions and royal palaces to return them to the people to share. When is it happening here? 

 

[Spark]

23 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

 

I don't see any benefit in an anti-European post - Brexit dick measuring contest as to who does what in support of Ukraine. What matters is that every EU and NATO member is contributing something, as are many, many, other countries around the globe. Of course Germany could do more; so could the French, the Spanish, and probably even the UK, but considering Germany's history think of the visuals of them intervening in a war that is supposedly being fought by Russia against Nazism, ( I know that assertion is bollocks but the Russians and their supporters would love it ). Also, remember that Germany was a prime mover in instigating the  1917 Russian Revolution.

Politics, especially International politics, is a murky business, and even uniting, at face value, the Western nations in support of Kyiv will have involved a lot of issues being suppressed for the sake of presentation.

Thats good, because you're the one that started trying to argue with me initially, now youre backing down. So maybe next time do you research before trying to disprove someone and quote them.  My initial comment you replied to was basically ''dont be bashing the uk and praising the eu when the Eu has messed up too. ''  and your final reply is basically 'dont bash the EU' . Lmfao works both ways mate, dont falsely bash the uk then we don't get topics going off topic. 

Us being outside of the Eu benefitted Ukraine. Facts. 

Edited 19 December, 2022 by Spark
extra info, spelling

[aintforever]

18 minutes ago, Spark said:

Us being outside of the Eu benefitted Ukraine. Facts. 

How?

Putin has always been very pro Brexit:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/20/vladimir-putin-theresa-may-brexit-fulfil-will-of-the-people

Edited 19 December, 2022 by aintforever

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Spark said:

Thats good, because you're the one that started trying to argue with me initially, now youre backing down. So maybe next time do you research before trying to disprove someone and quote them.  My initial comment you replied to was basically ''dont be bashing the uk and praising the eu when the Eu has messed up too. ''  and your final reply is basically 'dont bash the EU' . Lmfao works both ways mate, dont falsely bash the uk then we don't get topics going off topic. 

Us being outside of the Eu benefitted Ukraine. Facts. 

Not backing down at all, I stand by my posts on this subject. I simply said the Germans might have done more, as might everybody else. And as for us being in or out of the EU it really has made no difference: countries are free to make their own contributions outside of any group membership they may hold, they are not bound solely to the EU or NATO.

Edited 19 December, 2022 by badgerx16

[skintsaint]

This can't be real 😅

 

 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

This can't be real 😅

 

 

If he went back to being a tank gunner he would soon be getting flying lessons from St Javelin.

[badgerx16]

https://punishputin.com/en/about

[badgerx16]

The theatre in Mariupol in the cellar of which hundreds of civilans including many children were entombed when it was bombed, ( despite having the word CHILDREN clearly marked in front of it ), is now being demolished by the Russians - who had earlier filled the cellar with concrete rather than try to extricate the bodies.

[skintsaint]

Wonder when we will see Putin come down to the front line to boost morale for his troops.

 

 

[Jimmy_D]

9 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Wonder when we will see Putin come down to the front line to boost morale for his troops.

 

 

Putin won't even go to his front window at the moment, let alone the front line.

[Weston Super Saint]

17 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Wonder when we will see Putin come down to the front line to boost morale for his troops.

 

 

Errr. He sent a band. Not much more he can do.

[badgerx16]

40 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Putin won't even go to his front window at the moment, let alone the front line.

He steers clear of stairs as well.

[Jimmy_D]

Russian volunteer Murz on why Russia is not ready to defend Ukrainian winter offensive • WarTranslated

Seems morale among those at the front for Russia isn't the highest it's ever been.

[badgerx16]

According to Vlad he still thinks of Ukraine as a 'brotherly nation', and it is most certainly not Russia's fault that thousands of missiles have been launched against Ukrainian infrastructure sites.

[Weston Super Saint]

Has he stopped thinking of them as Nazis now then - it's hard to keep up.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Has he stopped thinking of them as Nazis now then - it's hard to keep up.

A couple of months ago they became Satanists.

[badgerx16]

Gotta catch 'em all

[farawaysaint]

14 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

According to Vlad he still thinks of Ukraine as a 'brotherly nation', and it is most certainly not Russia's fault that thousands of missiles have been launched against Ukrainian infrastructure sites.

Didn’t he say while drunk a couple of weeks ago that yes they are attacking infrastructure but Ukraine started it with the Crimea bridge attack?

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

Didn’t he say while drunk a couple of weeks ago that yes they are attacking infrastructure but Ukraine started it with the Crimea bridge attack?

Yes.

Those pesky Ukrainians, standing up to our tanks, firing back, recapturing their territory. How dare they.

[badgerx16]

 

[buctootim]

55 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

 

They are simple public health laboratories tasked to monitor and respond to outbreaks of infectious diseases. A lot of diseseases such as typhoid and malaria are endemic in Asian countries like India. Its in the West's interests to stop outbeaks in buffer states before they turn into something major.   

[badgerx16]

8 hours ago, buctootim said:

 

They are simple public health laboratories tasked to monitor and respond to outbreaks of infectious diseases. A lot of diseseases such as typhoid and malaria are endemic in Asian countries like India. Its in the West's interests to stop outbeaks in buffer states before they turn into something major.   

And they were also one of Russia's "justifications", parroted by a couple of shills on here, for the SMO.

[whelk]

Rife

 

[Whitey Grandad]

13 hours ago, whelk said:

Rife

 

You’d think that with all that money he would have been able to afford a room with a proper balcony.

[badgerx16]

14 hours ago, whelk said:

Rife

 

 

20 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You’d think that with all that money he would have been able to afford a room with a proper balcony.

Plenty of very nice bungalows around.

 

[Jimmy_D]

Propping up a currency unsustainably, everything is ok… until it’s not. This might be one of the first signs of ‘not’ for the general population.

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Jimmy_D said:

Propping up a currency unsustainably, everything is ok… until it’s not. This might be one of the first signs of ‘not’ for the general population.

Saw another item where pensioners couldn’t get their pensions because the office had no cash. Suggests a run on the banks is brewing and government is trying to restrict amount of cash to reduce outflows 

[skintsaint]

 

[badgerx16]

This year's award for irony goes to.........

 

[badgerx16]

A Russian tank actually manages to hit something with it's gun.....

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

large-scale missiles attack by Russia last night, despite running out of missiles many times over..

Edited 29 December, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

large-scale missiles attack by Russia last night, despite running out of missiles many times over..

Yep. All this they're running dry talk is irritating. Ditto that Ukraine are winning. It must be bloody awful being a Ukrainian knowing that more missiles will come, more homes and lives will be lost, and that they'll be without electricity and water for god knows how long.