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[kyle04]

13 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Hmmmm, looks a bit close to a civilian area to me, I’m sure Amnesty will post a statement soon about how unwise it is to station their planes there.

On another note, Russians have had their holidays ruined and are now fleeing in their thousands across the bridge towards Rostov. Boo-f**king-hoo

Edit: wish they’d HIMARS that Kerch bridge next, make all the c**ts drive back up through the Ukrainian mainland and what’s left of Mariupol. Then they could tell everyone what it’s really like when they get back to Russia.

They could stop off for a spot of shopping maybe :

It would take more than a few HIMARS hits to bring down the Kerch bridge though....

[Jimmy_D]

Ukraine playing Russia at their own games in the information space since the airfield going up in Crimea. An official story that it wasn’t Ukraine, then rumours Ukraine has ATACMS, denials from the US that Ukraine has ATACMS, Ukraine stating it was Ukraine made equipment that was responsible, rumours that Ukraine have developed their own long range capability based on Neptune, possibly an airstrike being made possible by HARM taking out AA, a ‘leak’ that it was Ukraine spec ops…

Meanwhile Russia are trying to blame their own incompetence as the thought that Ukraine could do this and Russia couldn’t stop them makes Putin look weak to the people.

In the end, how Ukraine did it doesn’t matter, and it’s a sign of good OPSEC that it’s still not clear even now. What matters is that, judging by the traffic jams heading out of Crimea, Russians aren’t believing the Russian version of events, they believe that Ukraine did this, Russia couldn’t stop them, and they’re going to go home and talk about what they’ve seen with their own eyes.

On top of that, with everyone assuming this was Ukraine, Russia’s bluff about hitting Crimea leading to massive escalation has well and truly been called, same as it was with Finland and Sweden’s NATO applications.

[Lighthouse]

I genuinely can't wait to see how he's going to spin tens of thousands of Russians fleeing from "Russian territory". 

[Whitey Grandad]

I only hope that they have to leave via the occupied Ukrainian territories rather than the Kerch Bridge.

[skintsaint]

Well it looks a successful strike. A fair number of planes hit.

[skintsaint]

https://streamable.com/mumgwq

Clip showing a hit on Antonovski bridge, US missiles v Russian AA. Seems some were intercepted.

[whelk]

Guffaw guffaw

 

[skintsaint]

11 hours ago, whelk said:

Guffaw guffaw

 

That's a lot of paid mercenaries....now Putin has to cough up some more dough to pay for more!

[kyle04]

On 11/08/2022 at 03:02, skintsaint said:

Well it looks a successful strike. A fair number of planes hit.

 

 

Looks like another air base in Crimea hit just now :

 

[skintsaint]

14 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

 

 

Looks like another air base in Crimea hit just now :

 

They are certainly pounding Crimea at the moment.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wppc08/compilation_of_footage_of_ukraine_attack_on/

[Lighthouse]

They really need to stop smoking, all these careless discarded cigarettes.

[skintsaint]

[mack rill]

and its going to get all gooey there soon😱

[Jimmy_D]

Lots of talk that Russia might be looking to hit Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant as part of an attempted false flag operation, workers there apparently have been told to stop going in, and there’s video of Russian military equipment parked inside buildings there.

If they do that and it leads to NATO territory being threatened with fallout, it may lead to Article 5 being triggered.

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Lots of talk that Russia might be looking to hit Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant as part of an attempted false flag operation, workers there apparently have been told to stop going in, and there’s video of Russian military equipment parked inside buildings there.

If they do that and it leads to NATO territory being threatened with fallout, it may lead to Article 5 being triggered.

Russia hitting a powerplant they control?

Definitely happening, yes?

[Colinjb]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Russia hitting a powerplant they control?

Definitely happening, yes?

More like, 'look, you attacked the powerplant we control? Look what you did!' Russia clearly value the lives of their troops, so nah, of course they wouldn't....... 

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

More like, 'look, you attacked the powerplant we control? Look what you did!' Russia clearly value the lives of their troops, so nah, of course they wouldn't....... 

Or, Ukraine will strike it.  Equally possible (ie, unlikely)

I know Ukraine can do no wrong, but.....

[kyle04]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Or, Ukraine will strike it.  Equally possible (ie, unlikely)

I know Ukraine can do no wrong, but.....

There's no way Ukraine are going to shell a nuclear power station in their back yard full of military equipment. That's one reason Russia put their stuff there, so they could attack Nikopol across the river with impunity. It seems paradoxical but yes Russia are occasionally shelling the plant even though they control it, whether trying to blame Ukraine or just as a posturing excercise who knows. There's also speculation that with winter on it's way, they want to shut the plant down and deprive many civilians of electricity.

[AlexLaw76]

10 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

There's no way Ukraine are going to shell a nuclear power station in their back yard full of military equipment. That's one reason Russia put their stuff there, so they could attack Nikopol across the river with impunity. It seems paradoxical but yes Russia are occasionally shelling the plant even though they control it, whether trying to blame Ukraine or just as a posturing excercise who knows. There's also speculation that with winter on it's way, they want to shut the plant down and deprive many civilians of electricity.

No, definitely not. Not a chance in hell. No chance that such an action which could draw in NATO with a no-fly zone or such like.  

There are many ways to deprive locals of electricity without risking nuclear fall-out.  

Edited 18 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Jimmy_D]

29 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Or, Ukraine will strike it.  Equally possible (ie, unlikely)

I know Ukraine can do no wrong, but.....

Remind me again what it is that makes Russia so trustworthy that you’ll swallow absolutely anything they shove down your throat?

[AlexLaw76]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Remind me again what it is that makes Russia so trustworthy that you’ll swallow absolutely anything they shove down your throat?

I dont.  I do not completely trust the 'narrative' that gets fed to us either.  Just look at your response to someone throwing in an equally possible scenario to what you suggest.

This whole conflict will go on and on, and cost us all a pretty penny.

 

Edited 18 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[kyle04]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

No, definitely not. Not a chance in hell. No chance that such an action which could draw in NATO with a no-fly zone or such like.  

There are many ways to deprive locals of electricity without risking nuclear fall-out.  

The "shut down" speculated didn't involve blowing up the reactors, just stopping the plant from producing electricity.

So you think Ukraine plan to target the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe and risk contaminating their own country, most of eastern Europe and probably some of Russia, for decades if not centuries, so NATO can fly some F16's around the (irradiated) country. You'll have to do better than that .

[Jimmy_D]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I dont.  I do not completely trust the 'narrative' that gets fed to us either.  Just look at your response to someone throwing in an equally possible scenario to what you suggest.

This whole conflict will go on and on, and cost us all a pretty penny.

 

Your evidence for ‘equally possible’?

Because there’s a lot more than ‘someone coming up with a plausible theory’ for what Russia are doing.

[AlexLaw76]

18 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

The "shut down" speculated didn't involve blowing up the reactors, just stopping the plant from producing electricity.

So you think Ukraine plan to target the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe and risk contaminating their own country, most of eastern Europe and probably some of Russia, for decades if not centuries, so NATO can fly some F16's around the (irradiated) country. You'll have to do better than that .

There are many hungry for the US to escalate their support, either with more kit (with greater lethality) and/or enticing US / NATO boots  on the ground / AC in the sky in the country (formally) in any capacity.  Sanctions have not really worked and the US (forget the rest of NATO as it/we have f-all) are running out of room to go without 'going in'.  Both sides are treading carefully to control the escalation within the conflict.

Washington and Moscow are heavily invested to win (or, at least to not lose) - Ukraine lose overnight without the US.  This will not change, at least with the current US President and whilst Putin is in charge.  So how does this stop?  It probably does not.

Essentially, the ambitions of both sides have changed/expanded since the start of this.  Russia simply does not want NATO in Ukraine and the US are all-in on permanently knocking Russia from the 'great power' global spot they sort of hold. Ironically, what is ever left of Ukraine after this, will likely be in NATO in all but name. But what sort of Ukraine will that be?

Going back to the post quoted - No, I do not believe Russia or Ukraine will cause / risk nuclear fall-out for reasons above.  Russia (if you research it) could well use this power plant for the regions they control (and will likely now want to formally annex).  

One thing is for certain, the narrative we are being fed is largely biased and key for politicians to maintain the the 'will of the people' as inflation starts to cripple the country - which the war in Ukraine is a factor.

 

Edited 18 August, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Jimmy_D]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There are many hungry for the US to escalate their support, either with more kit (with greater lethality) and/or enticing US / NATO boots  on the ground / AC in the sky in the country (formally) in any capacity.  Sanctions have not really worked and the US (forget the rest of NATO as it/we have f-all) are running out of room to go without 'going in'.  Both sides are treading carefully to control the escalation within the conflict.

Washington and Moscow are heavily invested to win (or, at least to not lose) - Ukraine lose overnight without the US.  This will not change, at least with the current US President and whilst Putin is in charge.  So how does this stop?  It probably does not.

Essentially, the ambitions of both sides have changed/expanded since the start of this.  Russia simply does not want NATO in Ukraine and the US are all-in on permanently knocking Russia from the 'great power' global spot they sort of hold. Ironically, what is ever left of Ukraine after this, will likely be in NATO in all but name. But what sort of Ukraine will that be?

Going back to the post quoted - No, I do not believe Russia or Ukraine will cause / risk nuclear fall-out for reasons above.  Russia (if you research it) could well use this power plant for the regions they control (and will likely now want to formally annex).  

One thing is for certain, the narrative we are being fed is largely biased and key for politicians to maintain the the 'will of the people' as inflation starts to cripple the country - which the war in Ukraine is a factor.

 

No matter how many times you try to diminish it as being a ‘narrative’, it won’t change the fact that Russia has illegally invaded another country, and has deliberately targeted civilians, murdering, torturing, and raping them. It won’t change the fact that Russia is willing to commit any war crime in their pursuit of making it a successful invasion.

There’s no way that any amount of spin has changed that. The cost of not stopping that is far higher than any cost of stopping it.

You ask what sort of Ukraine would be in NATO, when right in front of us we’re seeing what Ukraine would be if forced to be in Russia.

[kyle04]

1) NATO are not going to enter this conflict directly. Putin has blamed the US for prolonging the "conflict" which is true, but regarding escalation Russia has very few options left. It's army and puppet armies of LPR and DPR have been severely depleted and continue to be, the territorial gains have been very slight and at heavy cost this past month. Russia is in trouble, even the hitherto reliable Wagner group are being wiped out. RT talking heads have hysterically called for nukes ages ago, yeah right.

2) The US and Europe remain committed to continue their support of Ukraine, the "ambitions" of both parties have not changed, Ukraine want their land back, Russia want to destroy Ukraine and move on westwards, Nazis and NATO were never the reason Russia invaded. People have to accept this, and also what sort of creatures stalk the halls of the Kremlin at the moment.

3) What "narrative" is being fed exactly? This isn't 1941 with no access to what's happening on the ground. As it stands, Ukraine are routinely demolishing Russian ammo stores, air bases and command centres. Russia are shelling houses and playgrounds for no other reason than they can't locate high value targets so are hitting anything. The list of war crimes committed by Russia grows daily.

[Whitey Grandad]

11 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There are many hungry for the US to escalate their support, either with more kit (with greater lethality) and/or enticing US / NATO boots  on the ground / AC in the sky in the country (formally) in any capacity.  Sanctions have not really worked and the US (forget the rest of NATO as it/we have f-all) are running out of room to go without 'going in'.  Both sides are treading carefully to control the escalation within the conflict.

Washington and Moscow are heavily invested to win (or, at least to not lose) - Ukraine lose overnight without the US.  This will not change, at least with the current US President and whilst Putin is in charge.  So how does this stop?  It probably does not.

Essentially, the ambitions of both sides have changed/expanded since the start of this.  Russia simply does not want NATO in Ukraine and the US are all-in on permanently knocking Russia from the 'great power' global spot they sort of hold. Ironically, what is ever left of Ukraine after this, will likely be in NATO in all but name. But what sort of Ukraine will that be?

Going back to the post quoted - No, I do not believe Russia or Ukraine will cause / risk nuclear fall-out for reasons above.  Russia (if you research it) could well use this power plant for the regions they control (and will likely now want to formally annex).  

One thing is for certain, the narrative we are being fed is largely biased and key for politicians to maintain the the 'will of the people' as inflation starts to cripple the country - which the war in Ukraine is a factor.

 

Sanctions are a long term measure. Why would you think that they would have an immediate effect?

[whelk]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

Sanctions are a long term measure. Why would you think that they would have an immediate effect?

Only a complete idiot would believe the sanctions aren’t hurting and as you say moreso the longer they go on. 

[AlexLaw76]

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

 

[Jimmy_D]

55 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

 

Quite amazing that Ukraine are kicking Russia’s arse back to the 1930s and they’re not even using the foreign aid to do it.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Quite amazing that Ukraine are kicking Russia’s arse back to the 1930s and they’re not even using the foreign aid to do it.

And ALL the arms they've been given have all been stolen!

The article claims the US are only trying to weaken Russia, looks like they needn't have bothered if Ukraine can put up such a fight with (allegedly) zero outside help...

[Tamesaint]

Good old Batman. He's not believing "the largely biased ... narrative that we are being fed . " No sirrree. He's not believing the BBC or ITV when he can get news from such impeccable sources as the Grayzone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

I suppose if you read and believe crap it is inevitable that you post crap. 

 

[kyle04]

Yeah, it's getting a bit silly now Alex, you may as well post RT video clips and have done with it.

Putin wants to talk, with Erdogan as the broker. What does that tell you?

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

Good old Batman. He's not believing "the largely biased ... narrative that we are being fed . " No sirrree. He's not believing the BBC or ITV when he can get news from such impeccable sources as the Grayzone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

I suppose if you read and believe crap it is inevitable that you post crap. 

 

From that wiki page (no surprise)

Quote

The Grayzone's news content is generally considered to be fringe^{[2][17][18][19]} and the website maintains a pro-Kremlin editorial line.^[1][29]

 

[Jonnyboy]

https://hiindia.com/2022/08/09/glenn-diesen-as-the-tide-turns-in-ukraine-is-the-us-preparing-to-throw-zelensky-under-the-bus/

[Lighthouse]

15 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said:

https://hiindia.com/2022/08/09/glenn-diesen-as-the-tide-turns-in-ukraine-is-the-us-preparing-to-throw-zelensky-under-the-bus/

I can only assume you and Brett post this stuff because you want to be laughed at.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I can only assume you and Brett post this stuff because you want to be laughed at.

JB is actually an extension into our plane of existence from a parallel universe. The crap he posts is reasonably accurate in his corner of the multiverse.

[31cc]

Particularly enjoyed the last comment    

'After goading Ukraine into a devastating conflict with Russia, the US is now demanding that Zelensky take the blame.'

 

Yes , Russia is only defending itself from Ukraine's aggression 🙄

 

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I can only assume you and Brett post this stuff because you want to be laughed at.

That article is written by a Russia Today columnist yet it’s posted as if it’s an independent free thinking piece. I think we all know who the real sheep are.   

[Lighthouse]

Nothing says ‘Ukraine on the brink of collapse’ quite like a convoy of Russian tourists fleeing territory they’ve held for eight years.

[Jimmy_D]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Nothing says ‘Ukraine on the brink of collapse’ quite like a convoy of Russian tourists fleeing territory they’ve held for eight years.

Who knew that having a few ammo dumps exploding every night, each taking between a few days and a few weeks to replenish, is the way to succeed in modern warfare?

[badgerx16]

When are Ukraine going to realise that they have lost ? It is now at least 3 weeks since somebody posted on here that the war was effectively over and the US was going to throw Zelensky under the bus.

[Whitey Grandad]

22 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Who knew that having a few ammo dumps exploding every night, each taking between a few days and a few weeks to replenish, is the way to succeed in modern warfare?

Softly softly catchee monkey.

[kyle04]

Yawn.... OK :

"By punching through the heavily fortified defenses in Maryinka, Peski, Avdeevka, it appears that Moscow has sealed the fate of Donbass"

None of these places have been taken by Russia (Wagner group), they have partial control of Pisky, thats it (they cant even be bothered to spell the place names correctly). I repeat my earlier comment, the Kremlin wants to talk, not the actions of a winning side in war. (The article seems to be 11 days old, and still no change on that front).

You keep posting this crap JB, and keep getting slapped down, I'm sure you think it's funny that you get a reaction from the grown ups, like a kid tugging at his dad's trouser leg. Keep at it son.

[whelk]

Glad some of you click on the links as I never bother. Just  confirms what I expect from certain posters

[Weston Super Saint]

Faulty spark plug apparently, causing the ammunit fuel tank to catch fire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62621509

Quote

The daughter of a close ally of Russia's President Vladimir Putin has been killed in a suspected car bomb.

Darya Dugina died after an explosion on a road outside Moscow, Russia's investigative committee said.

It is thought her father, the Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin who is known as "Putin's brain," may have been the intended target of the attack.

 

[Colinjb]

12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Faulty spark plug apparently, causing the ammunit fuel tank to catch fire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62621509

 

As I understand it, Darya Dugina had a viewpoint just as strong as her father. So it's highly probably she was the intended target.

[badgerx16]

56 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

As I understand it, Darya Dugina had a viewpoint just as strong as her father. So it's highly probably she was the intended target.

I think they arrived at the event in the same car, so probably the intention was to hit both of them

Edited 21 August, 2022 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

54 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

As I understand it, Darya Dugina had a viewpoint just as strong as her father. So it's highly probably she was the intended target.

Target?  What do you mean target?  This was clearly a very tragic accident caused by a faulty spark plug!

[Weston Super Saint]

33 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I think arrived at the event in the same car, so probably the intention was to hit both of them

Bit dodgy that her old man suddenly decided on a whim to take a different car home....