Russia

[Jimmy_D]

Yeah, feels like they've just given Putin something in the hope that something is given back. Under the circumstances it's colossally stupid.

On the topic of stupid things, Russia trying to claim the ammo dump was saltpetre. As we saw in the Beirut explosion, saltpetre would have gone up in one go, while the ammo dump is still now cooking off ammo and exploding. That really was a big hit that'll severely dent Russia's capability in the area.

[kyle04]

A few more being hit recently as well. Russia sending a lot of equipment to Kherson from Melitopol in the past few hours.

Meanwhile, on a more touching note :

 

 

[buctootim]

29 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

A few more being hit recently as well. Russia sending a lot of equipment to Kherson from Melitopol in the past few hours.

Meanwhile, on a more touching note :

 

I saw that too! Apparently after she gave him the money the charity guy startewd to cry. Couple of nice pics here 

 

[Jimmy_D]

19 hours ago, kyle04 said:

A few more being hit recently as well. Russia sending a lot of equipment to Kherson from Melitopol in the past few hours.

Meanwhile, on a more touching note :

 

 

That was a nice story, although I can’t help but despair a bit that we’re living in times where a kid raising money for the military is a feel good story.

Three more ammo stores went up in Kherson last night apparently, two to artillery, and a third to an aircraft airstrike. While it’s nowhere near as visible as the ammo stores when they’re hit, anti-air emplacements are obviously being targeted by HIMARS as well, which brings not only aircraft back into it, but other artillery that Russia’s AA systems had been more effective against.

Being up against a weapon with no defence against it has to be a soldier’s worst nightmare, it’s like the old wunderwaffe stories come true, except tried and tested and in mass production. Knowing Ukraine are about to receive more of them as well... morale must be dropping to the point that they may well stop being effective.

[kyle04]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

That was a nice story, although I can’t help but despair a bit that we’re living in times where a kid raising money for the military is a feel good story.

Three more ammo stores went up in Kherson last night apparently, two to artillery, and a third to an aircraft airstrike. While it’s nowhere near as visible as the ammo stores when they’re hit, anti-air emplacements are obviously being targeted by HIMARS as well, which brings not only aircraft back into it, but other artillery that Russia’s AA systems had been more effective against.

Being up against a weapon with no defence against it has to be a soldier’s worst nightmare, it’s like the old wunderwaffe stories come true, except tried and tested and in mass production. Knowing Ukraine are about to receive more of them as well... morale must be dropping to the point that they may well stop being effective.

Putn going to Iran next week to secure the supply of "hundreds" of their drones, the Russian Orlan10 is obviously shit, and an area that Russia are way behind in. Don't know how good the Iranian stuff is but it's something Ukraine should be concerned about, as many of them are long range and weapons capable.

This it's whats left of an ammo dump in the Donetsk region :

 

[Jimmy_D]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-parliament-passes-sweeping-wartime-economic-controls-2022-07-06/

Seems obvious this is an attempt to reduce the effect of some of the sanctions that have been affecting Russia.

It might help them in some areas, for a while at least, but obviously won’t help where Russia simply doesn’t have access to resources and components they need.

Taking their time off away from people is only going to lead to resentment, poor morale, and and poor quality work if it carries on for any length of time.

Depends on the exact specifics of which companies will be affected, but I can see another wave of companies being triggered to pull out of Russia rather than risk being dragged into directly supporting Russia’s war effort.

[buctootim]

This is why we need to defeat Russia. This little girl was walking with her mother and 1.5 hours later she was dead due to a Russian missile strike on a residential square. That's bad enough but read the Russian reactions to photos of a two year old girls body mashed up in the frame of her pushchair.     

 

[cloggy saint]

I so wish we could just wipe Russia off the face of the earth.

[whelk]

Godless alcoholic cunts and very ugly. 

[farawaysaint]

12 minutes ago, whelk said:

Godless alcoholic cunts and very ugly. 

I take it you have never seen a Russian woman 😂

[whelk]

20 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

I take it you have never seen a Russian woman 😂

Been to Moscow albeit very whistlestop. Load of ugly miserable fuckers.

Also seen plenty of the fur clad slags in the Alps ski’ing. Not my sort but each to their own.

[Jimmy_D]

Reports that Ukraine have received the first of the newer M270 units from the UK and Norway. (M270 is an older platform than HIMARS, but newer ones have updated fire-control computers, among other improvements)

These fire the same rockets as HIMARS, and can fire twice as many at once if needed.

It’s not as fast as HIMARS, but it can cover rougher terrain.

It probably won’t be risked as close to the front line as HIMARS, so in effect shorter range, but it’s definitely a massive boost to what Ukraine can do, and will be able to reach some places that HIMARS can’t, especially if the reports that they’re going to get access to longer range rockets (300km vs the current 80km) turn out to be accurate.

[kyle04]

Sneaky Russians...

 

[badgerx16]

 

[buctootim]

45 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

 

At the grave site there was a faint voice yelling "I didn't die for a fucking Lada! VW Golf GL is the MINIMUM I deserve" 

 

[Jimmy_D]

Do they still get the money for a Lada if they’re shot down by their own side?

Reports a SU-34 was shot down by Russia’s own air defence. That’s one of their newest multi role fighters. They don’t have many and they can’t currently replace them either.

The success of Ukraine’s rocket artillery may well have played a part in this. For Russia’s AA operators, between the stress of facing a weapon that’s almost impossible for them to stop, as well as being a high priority target, and it’s easy to see how that stress could lead to incidents like this.

On top of that, with the way the Russian army operates, that stress is probably being exacerbated by being blamed for the success of HIMARS and M270 strikes.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Jimmy_D said:

Do they still get the money for a Lada if they’re shot down by their own side?

Reports a SU-34 was shot down by Russia’s own air defence. That’s one of their newest multi role fighters. They don’t have many and they can’t currently replace them either.

The success of Ukraine’s rocket artillery may well have played a part in this. For Russia’s AA operators, between the stress of facing a weapon that’s almost impossible for them to stop, as well as being a high priority target, and it’s easy to see how that stress could lead to incidents like this.

On top of that, with the way the Russian army operates, that stress is probably being exacerbated by being blamed for the success of HIMARS and M270 strikes.

I read that they were being listed as “missing in action” rather than “killed in action”. Missing doesn’t give rise to any financial benefits I believe.

[kyle04]

Ukraine may be getting the longer range HIMARS rockets, as well as the full guidance systems for their M777's, if true not good news for Russia. Several Russian ships moved out of Sevastopol recently eastwards, they're very worried about Ukraine's longer range capability it seems. 

The SU34 came down in Alchevsk area, well into occupied territory, either the pilots bailed or were incinerated in the crash, shouldn't be difficult to determine what happened to them. At least a "furious" Putin can now be told that the S300/400 air defense systems they bought do work, only not on intended targets! :

 

[Jimmy_D]

So now apparently Russia are blaming the failure to take Kyiv on Ukranian supersoldiers created in US run biolabs in Ukraine…

…

…

 

I mean, aside from conveniently forgetting that they were claiming that Kyiv was just a feint, I’m not sure the best way to motivate their troops is to make them think they’re up against supersoldiers, especially with the increasing issues they’re getting with deserters. 

[kyle04]

55 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

So now apparently Russia are blaming the failure to take Kyiv on Ukranian supersoldiers created in US run biolabs in Ukraine…

…

…

 

I mean, aside from conveniently forgetting that they were claiming that Kyiv was just a feint, I’m not sure the best way to motivate their troops is to make them think they’re up against supersoldiers, especially with the increasing issues they’re getting with deserters. 

As ever the Russian claims are easily shot down, with just a little analysis. I think the whole biolabs story is fake. So the US want to develop "bioweapons" (which they've been doing since the 1950's or earlier), so lets pick a site to build the labs. 1) Area 51 or similar, a secure military base in the middle of nowhere on US soil, or 2) An unstable European country in the middle of a civil war bordering your biggest enemy.

Meanwhile in Tehran, the three stooges, Turkey looking ever more untrustworthy :

ТРУХА⚡️English on Twitter: "Results of the trilateral summit between Putin, Raisi and Erdogan in Tehran https://t.co/HPEeMgwBUL" / Twitter

 

[buctootim]

 

Constant facial tics, shifting weight from one leg to the other and back again.... Probs Parkinsons and only one of three illnesses allegedly. 

 

 

 

[Jimmy_D]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-send-scores-of-artillery-guns-and-hundreds-of-drones-to-ukraine

That’s the sort of supplies that will allow Ukraine to start counterattacking.

With the number of Russian ammo stores that have been hit, as well as the pressure that long range rocket artillery is able to put on defensive emplacements, and the logistics issues that are starting to bite because of that, feels like we’re nearing a tipping point.

[skintsaint]

Least Putin's actions are repairing Jewish/Muslim relations ....

Edited 22 July, 2022 by skintsaint

[kyle04]

19 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Least Putin's actions are repairing Jewish/Muslim relations ....

The "f**k you" humour in these types of videos amazes me, despite the fact that they're both terrified. The Muslim I would say is probably Chechen, there are many anti-Russian Chechens fighting for Ukraine, and the country is reportedly on the verge of civil war, many hate Kadyrov after what Russia did to their country, notably Grozny which was leveled. 

There's some weird stories emerging from this war, Putin asking Iran for drones, Russian tanks firing on combine harvesters, Russia approaching North Korea for labourers in exchange for grain and "machinery", also the spectacle of Putin the Great left waiting for Erdogan to arrive like schoolboy about to receive the cane form a sadistic master, and speculation that the fabled A10 warthog may make an appearance in Ukraine. Russian have reactivated the Nordstream 1 gas pipe recently as well, make of that what you will.

[badgerx16]

One day after signing an agreement not to shell ports involved in grain shipments, Russia fires long range missiles at Odessa.

[skintsaint]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/w6w9cx/failed_barrel_of_russian_selfpropelled_guns_2s7m/

Interesting read if true about Russia's arty now starting to be very unreliable.

[badgerx16]

A poll in Austria has concluded that people who have avoided the Covid vaccine blame Ukraine, the US, or NATO for the invasion, vaccinated people blame the Russians;

 

Edited 25 July, 2022 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

A poll in Austria has concluded that people who have avoided the Covid vaccine blame Ukraine, the US, or NATO for the invasion, vaccinated people blame the Russians;

 

Austrian polls are weird.

Of vaccinated people :

88% Russia

22% Ukraine

14% EU

23% Nato

28% USA

Total 175%.  The numbers don't quite add up.

[ChrisPY]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Austrian polls are weird.

Of vaccinated people :

88% Russia

22% Ukraine

14% EU

23% Nato

28% USA

Total 175%.  The numbers don't quite add up.

Imagine a question was asked separately for each nation/group.

Do you believe Russia is all or partly to blame for the war? Yes 88%. No 12%.

Do you believe Ukraine is all or partly to blame for the war? Yes 22%. No 78%.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

25 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

Imagine a question was asked separately for each nation/group.

Do you believe Russia is all or partly to blame for the war? Yes 88%. No 12%.

Do you believe Ukraine is all or partly to blame for the war? Yes 22%. No 78%.

 

Weird poll...

 

[manji]

Not going to add to this but Ukraine are losing and losing badly. USA had enough and looking to drop Kelensky.

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, manji said:

Not going to add to this but Ukraine are losing and losing badly. USA had enough and looking to drop Kelensky.

In the best tradition of SaintsWeb, source ?

[whelk]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

In the best tradition of SaintsWeb, source ?

Don’t need to rely on war correspondents or ‘experts’ when we can get informed updates from Saintsweb.

 

Edited 26 July, 2022 by whelk

[djharvey]

2 hours ago, manji said:

Not going to add to this but Ukraine are losing and losing badly. USA had enough and looking to drop Kelensky.

Yes Ukraine are losing, but they certainly haven't lost!

The West thankfully are ensuring that Russia pay's such an enormous price (they didn't bargain for) it will cripple them for decades to come and that's where Russia will lose, big time! 

[Jimmy_D]

5 hours ago, manji said:

Not going to add to this but Ukraine are losing and losing badly. USA had enough and looking to drop Kelensky.

If anyone can be considered to be 'winning' in this war, it certainly isn't Russia.

[skintsaint]

9 hours ago, Jimmy_D said:

If anyone can be considered to be 'winning' in this war

NATO if anyone, they are getting free weapon testing in real life scenarios right now.

Anyway, looks like Ukraine will start a push to take Kherson soon enough, seems they are hitting bridges behind the city to help stop reinforcements, supply etc.

 

[farawaysaint]

4 hours ago, skintsaint said:

NATO if anyone, they are getting free weapon testing in real life scenarios right now.

Anyway, looks like Ukraine will start a push to take Kherson soon enough, seems they are hitting bridges behind the city to help stop reinforcements, supply etc.

 

Ukrainian leadership have been pretty open that the liberation of Kherson is their current strategic goal.

The bridge was hit directly by Himars (like a couple of others over the last few weeks). From what I have seen the Himars do some damage, seeming to punch directly through the bridge, but they are not designed to take out bridges and basically just put a couple of holes in them. 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

21 hours ago, manji said:

Not going to add to this but Ukraine are losing and losing badly. USA had enough and looking to drop Kelensky.

Isn't your Avatar from a 'flag' (?) that signifies Serbian unity with Russia?  If so, any ulterior motive to your post?

https://www.vizioshop.com/en/T-shirt-Russia-and-Serbia-161482-1.html

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Isn't your Avatar from a 'flag' (?) that signifies Serbian unity with Russia?  If so, any ulterior motive to your post?

https://www.vizioshop.com/en/T-shirt-Russia-and-Serbia-161482-1.html

Think he is like a JonnyBoy Wolfie Smith antiestablishment sort. Think they might get in really well

[manji]

Yes I’m a Russian bot that’s been lurking since the early days of the forum when we also talked about clothes and music 🙄 My time has come.

[farawaysaint]

5 minutes ago, manji said:

Yes I’m a Russian bot that’s been lurking since the early days of the forum when we also talked about clothes and music 🙄 My time has come.

I mean I have my doubts but that does seem to be what your logo is 😂

[Weston Super Saint]

18 minutes ago, manji said:

Yes I’m a Russian bot that’s been lurking since the early days of the forum when we also talked about clothes and music 🙄 My time has come.

I've not said you're a Russian bot.

My guess is that you're a Serb National with Russian family ties? Or you are pro Russian - which is fine, you can be whatever you want to be, just puts some context to your post about Russia 'winning' the war - even though their stated outcome was to take control of Kyiv which proved to be a complete fuck up!

It looks like a mirror image but your Avatar definitely looks like it has come from this (the Russia, Serbia brotherhood flag, aka the 'cult of Serbia'?).

Edited 27 July, 2022 by Weston Super Saint

[manji]

In 2013 there was the Maiden Revolution . The hope was a liberal pro EU, LGBT rights government. There was a massive demo of support. The Neo Nazi Azov opened fire. Eventually the was a Fascist Coup.

You have to remember Ukraine has been openly Fascist since the turn of the century and I talking bonkers super Fascist . Pagan Esoteric nut job stuff Himmler adopted. Second World War Ukraine had the biggest division in the Waffen SS ( Galacian Division) . 
SS General ( the butcher of Prague) Reinhard Heydrich said they scared him.

Ukraine was run by Stepan Bandera a keen fan of butchering Jews, Russians, Gypsies.

Moving on after the Maiden Kelensky took over on a liberal ticket but was bullied by the Nazi Azov. 
Kelensky first language is Russian he can speak English Better the Ukrainian.
 

Most of the Ukraine especially to the east of the Dnieper River ( Donbass / Donetsk etcis Russian 99% of the population Pro Russian Russian ethnic and Russian speaking but forced to have Ukrainian passports. 
Kelensky station Azov troops in those areas, built military bases in civilian areas. It is estimated that 15000 Russian men women and children were butchered by Ukrainians since the Maiden ( United Nations stats ). 
Putin has been complaining to the EU, NATO, USA with no results.

Since 2014 NATO has been training and supplying weapons to the Ukrainian Nazis. Building lines of fortifications as well that’s why the Russians have been taking their time. Official military Algorithm it takes 3 times as many soldiers to take a fortified area. The Russians could have used Hypersonic missiles but Ukrainians built the fortifications in civilian areas ( against International law ).

With the Gazprom pipeline built and Europe becoming very reliant on the gas Putin decided this year was the perfect time to denazify the Ukraine.

ukraine is corrupt as fuck . They’ve been selling NATO weapons to terrorists groups.

Theres loads. Russians are giving troops a week to fight then giving them a weeks leave and let a another division take over. Ukrainian troops are demoralised, deserting in droves the latest batch being given a gun 24 hours training and sent to the front. Takes at the least 8 weeks training to get an infantryman up to a basic level.

 

oh yeah the Russians have reached the final line of defence.

all info from US military intelligence briefings to the Pentagon. Easy to find if you can be bothered rather than sucking up the Western Media nonsense. Anyone notice anyone notice most news starts with “ Kelensky says “ or “ Ukrainian military says “ and is completely unquestioned.

Edited 27 July, 2022 by manji

[badgerx16]

https://bitterwinter.org/donbass-did-ukraine-kill-14000-pro-russians/

https://www.rferl.org/a/death-toll-up-to-13-000-in-ukraine-conflict-says-un-rights-office/29791647.html

 

As for the statement that Russian civilans in Donbas were ' butchered' by Ukraine, unfortunately there has been a state of war in the region since 2014, and regardless of whether Russia or Ukraine is to blame for starting it, there have been both pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian civilian casualties there - civil wars are the biggest bastard version of warfare.

 

A lot of Ukrainians did indeed welcome the Wermacht in 1941, they viewed them as liberators from the Bolshevik USSR, and some later joined the Waffen SS. ( Many others soon regretted welcoming the Germans ). However, there were also French, Dutch, Belgian, Bosnian, and many other nationalities and ethnicities in the Waffen SS, it wasn't a uniquely Ukrainian fetish. Europe at that time was rife with Facist leaning nationalist groups, we even had the Black Shirts in the UK, and these tendencies continue to this day, again not something unique to any one country.

 

And why should the fact that Zelensky's first language is Russian be a surprise, he was born in the USSR, and spent time outside Ukraine as his father moved around various universities. He spent some of his earliest years living in Mongolia, in a Russian speaking academic community.

 

Edited 27 July, 2022 by badgerx16

[Whitey Grandad]

27 minutes ago, manji said:

In 2013 there was the Maiden Revolution . The hope was a liberal pro EU, LGBT rights government. There was a massive demo of support. The Neo Nazi Azov opened fire. Eventually the was a Fascist Coup.

You have to remember Ukraine has been openly Fascist since the turn of the century and I talking bonkers super Fascist . Pagan Esoteric nut job stuff Himmler adopted. Second World War Ukraine had the biggest division in the Waffen SS ( Galacian Division) . 
SS General ( the butcher of Prague) Reinhard Heydrich said they scared him.

Ukraine was run by Stepan Bandera a keen fan of butchering Jews, Russians, Gypsies.

Moving on after the Maiden Kelensky took over on a liberal ticket but was bullied by the Nazi Azov. 
Kelensky first language is Russian he can speak English Better the Ukrainian.
 

Most of the Ukraine especially to the east of the Dnieper River ( Donbass / Donetsk etcis Russian 99% of the population Pro Russian Russian ethnic and Russian speaking but forced to have Ukrainian passports. 
Kelensky station Azov troops in those areas, built military bases in civilian areas. It is estimated that 15000 Russian men women and children were butchered by Ukrainians since the Maiden ( United Nations stats ). 
Putin has been complaining to the EU, NATO, USA with no results.

Since 2014 NATO has been training and supplying weapons to the Ukrainian Nazis. Building lines of fortifications as well that’s why the Russians have been taking their time. Official military Algorithm it takes 3 times as many soldiers to take a fortified area. The Russians could have used Hypersonic missiles but Ukrainians built the fortifications in civilian areas ( against International law ).

With the Gazprom pipeline built and Europe becoming very reliant on the gas Putin decided this year was the perfect time to denazify the Ukraine.

ukraine is corrupt as fuck . They’ve been selling NATO weapons to terrorists groups.

Theres loads. Russians are giving troops a week to fight then giving them a weeks leave and let a another division take over. Ukrainian troops are demoralised, deserting in droves the latest batch being given a gun 24 hours training and sent to the front. Takes at the least 8 weeks training to get an infantryman up to a basic level.

 

oh yeah the Russians have reached the final line of defence.

all info from US military intelligence briefings to the Pentagon. Easy to find if you can be bothered rather than sucking up the Western Media nonsense. Anyone notice anyone notice most news starts with “ Kelensky says “ or “ Ukrainian military says “ and is completely unquestioned.

'Ethnic Russian'

 

That's as racist as anyone could get.

[Jimmy_D]

3 hours ago, farawaysaint said:

Ukrainian leadership have been pretty open that the liberation of Kherson is their current strategic goal.

The bridge was hit directly by Himars (like a couple of others over the last few weeks). From what I have seen the Himars do some damage, seeming to punch directly through the bridge, but they are not designed to take out bridges and basically just put a couple of holes in them. 

 

Damaging the road surface is easy if they wanted to do that, it’s just a question of fuse timing.

Whatever they’re using, setting it to punch through appears to be a strategic decision, destroying the tension cables underneath that give the bridge most of its strength. This allows Russian troops to retreat, but denies it to heavy equipment and any major resupply traffic.

[kyle04]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Damaging the road surface is easy if they wanted to do that, it’s just a question of fuse timing.

Whatever they’re using, setting it to punch through appears to be a strategic decision, destroying the tension cables underneath that give the bridge most of its strength. This allows Russian troops to retreat, but denies it to heavy equipment and any major resupply traffic.

Looks like they've done that :

 

[Colinjb]

44 minutes ago, manji said:

Most of the Ukraine especially to the east of the Dnieper River ( Donbass / Donetsk etcis Russian 99% of the population Pro Russian Russian ethnic and Russian speaking but forced to have Ukrainian passports. 

Try telling that to the refugee children now attending the school I teach at who are from that region. Their response will be far more compelling then any propaganda you are peddling. 

[Jimmy_D]

34 minutes ago, manji said:

In 2013 there was the Maiden Revolution . The hope was a liberal pro EU, LGBT rights government. There was a massive demo of support. The Neo Nazi Azov opened fire. Eventually the was a Fascist Coup.

You have to remember Ukraine has been openly Fascist since the turn of the century and I talking bonkers super Fascist . Pagan Esoteric nut job stuff Himmler adopted. Second World War Ukraine had the biggest division in the Waffen SS ( Galacian Division) . 
SS General ( the butcher of Prague) Reinhard Heydrich said they scared him.

Ukraine was run by Stepan Bandera a keen fan of butchering Jews, Russians, Gypsies.

Moving on after the Maiden Kelensky took over on a liberal ticket but was bullied by the Nazi Azov. 
Kelensky first language is Russian he can speak English Better the Ukrainian.
 

Most of the Ukraine especially to the east of the Dnieper River ( Donbass / Donetsk etcis Russian 99% of the population Pro Russian Russian ethnic and Russian speaking but forced to have Ukrainian passports. 
Kelensky station Azov troops in those areas, built military bases in civilian areas. It is estimated that 15000 Russian men women and children were butchered by Ukrainians since the Maiden ( United Nations stats ). 
Putin has been complaining to the EU, NATO, USA with no results.

Since 2014 NATO has been training and supplying weapons to the Ukrainian Nazis. Building lines of fortifications as well that’s why the Russians have been taking their time. Official military Algorithm it takes 3 times as many soldiers to take a fortified area. The Russians could have used Hypersonic missiles but Ukrainians built the fortifications in civilian areas ( against International law ).

With the Gazprom pipeline built and Europe becoming very reliant on the gas Putin decided this year was the perfect time to denazify the Ukraine.

ukraine is corrupt as fuck . They’ve been selling NATO weapons to terrorists groups.

Theres loads. Russians are giving troops a week to fight then giving them a weeks leave and let a another division take over. Ukrainian troops are demoralised, deserting in droves the latest batch being given a gun 24 hours training and sent to the front. Takes at the least 8 weeks training to get an infantryman up to a basic level.

 

oh yeah the Russians have reached the final line of defence.

all info from US military intelligence briefings to the Pentagon. Easy to find if you can be bothered rather than sucking up the Western Media nonsense. Anyone notice anyone notice most news starts with “ Kelensky says “ or “ Ukrainian military says “ and is completely unquestioned.

Oh wow. Where even to start with this.

I guess calling Ukraine Nazis is the easiest place to start. Zelensky being Jewish puts a pretty big hole in that one.

Ros Atkins did an excellent piece with sourced information debunking it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60853404

It’s telling that this justification for the war didn’t gain traction with the majority of the Russian public, to the point that Russia themselves stopped using it as justification for their illegal invasion back in March.

As for the ethnicity of the Donbas region, it’s historically been about 40%   Russian. Even during separatist occupation before Russia fully invaded, they wanted to be part of Ukraine. 

https://theconversation.com/amp/most-people-in-separatist-held-areas-of-donbas-prefer-reintegration-with-ukraine-new-survey-124849

Updated military doctrine actually gives defenders in friendly urban environments a 15-1 advantage, assuming they have access to regular resupply. Claiming that Ukraine are in the wrong for using their military to defend civilians during an invasion of sovereign Ukrainian territory is utterly ridiculous. Russia has been deliberately targeting civilians with indiscriminate attacks, including areas where there are clearly no military targets, and have been using rape and torture. Children haven’t been spared from that. There is no way to justify any of Russia’s actions here.

As for stories about NATO weapons being sold, they’ve all come from the side that just in the last 48 hours have denied striking Odesa with rockets, then changed their lie to claiming it was striking a military target. If Russia really did have possession of NATO equipment, pictures of it would be plastered all over Russian State TV. Judging by the continued supply of weapons, NATO countries certainly aren’t worried about it being a major problem.

As for the state of troop replenishment, there’s one side in this war that are raiding their prisons for manpower, and arming them with equipment half a century (or more) out of date. There’s one side which is training thousands of troops for a few weeks with various European armies, including the British Army, and is receiving state of the art weaponry.

Guess which side is having the bigger problems with morale.

As for supposed Pentagon briefings of imminent Ukrainian collapse, that’s not reflected in the US’s actions. They wouldn’t be sending HIMARS if they thought there was any risk of them falling into Russian hands.

[farawaysaint]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Oh wow. Where even to start with this.

I guess calling Ukraine Nazis is the easiest place to start. Zelensky being Jewish puts a pretty big hole in that one.

Ros Atkins did an excellent piece with sourced information debunking it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60853404

It’s telling that this justification for the war didn’t gain traction with the majority of the Russian public, to the point that Russia themselves stopped using it as justification for their illegal invasion back in March.

As for the ethnicity of the Donbas region, it’s historically been about 40%   Russian. Even during separatist occupation before Russia fully invaded, they wanted to be part of Ukraine. 

https://theconversation.com/amp/most-people-in-separatist-held-areas-of-donbas-prefer-reintegration-with-ukraine-new-survey-124849

Updated military doctrine actually gives defenders in friendly urban environments a 15-1 advantage, assuming they have access to regular resupply. Claiming that Ukraine are in the wrong for using their military to defend civilians during an invasion of sovereign Ukrainian territory is utterly ridiculous. Russia has been deliberately targeting civilians with indiscriminate attacks, including areas where there are clearly no military targets, and have been using rape and torture. Children haven’t been spared from that. There is no way to justify any of Russia’s actions here.

As for stories about NATO weapons being sold, they’ve all come from the side that just in the last 48 hours have denied striking Odesa with rockets, then changed their lie to claiming it was striking a military target. If Russia really did have possession of NATO equipment, pictures of it would be plastered all over Russian State TV. Judging by the continued supply of weapons, NATO countries certainly aren’t worried about it being a major problem.

As for the state of troop replenishment, there’s one side in this war that are raiding their prisons for manpower, and arming them with equipment half a century (or more) out of date. There’s one side which is training thousands of troops for a few weeks with various European armies, including the British Army, and is receiving state of the art weaponry.

Guess which side is having the bigger problems with morale.

As for supposed Pentagon briefings of imminent Ukrainian collapse, that’s not reflected in the US’s actions. They wouldn’t be sending HIMARS if they thought there was any risk of them falling into Russian hands.

Not to detract from the point but Ukraine also freed their prisoners with any combat experience to go fight.