whelk Posted 22 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: This'll teach 'em. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60474920 Almost certain.... It’s the sort of stuff that while trivial will annoy Putin. All about show of strength. Lots of analysts are thinking this is a Putin thing more than much wider support Edited 22 February, 2022 by whelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: I've no idea what that translates to in real terms, you'd have to ask an economist, but $630bn is less than the GDP of Switzerland or Argentina. Doesn't SEEM like a lot to be hanging your hat on when your assets are being seized across the free world. US GDP is close to $25,000 billion I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2022 Hope they put a ban on those fat bald cunts travelling to anywhere I might be visiting this summer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I've no idea what that translates to in real terms, you'd have to ask an economist, but $630bn is less than the GDP of Switzerland or Argentina. Doesn't SEEM like a lot to be hanging your hat on when your assets are being seized across the free world. Unless you have the stopcock for the gas lines.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 3 minutes ago, whelk said: US GDP is close to $25,000 billion I think For further contrast, and casually assuming Wikipedia is in the right ballpark, the invasion and seven year occupation of Iraq cost the USA alone $1.1tn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: Unless you have the stopcock for the gas lines.... That's a bit of a Mexican standoff, Europe can't afford to completely shut off the gas and Russia can't afford not to sell any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 Just now, Lighthouse said: That's a bit of a Mexican standoff, Europe can't afford to completely shut off the gas and Russia can't afford not to sell any. They can for a couple of months (to Europe anyway, they'll probably still sell to China). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: They can for a couple of months (to Europe anyway, they'll probably still sell to China). The danger of that is you scare everyone off and they look for ways to permanently wean themselves off Russian gas. This is embarrassing and expensive for Germany, being bent over a barrel by a county who's economy is about 1/3 the size of their own. A good time to buy shares in wind turbines and solar panels, I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 Trump says Putin is "smart" and a "genius". How might things be going if Vlad HAD managed to get Donnie back into the White House ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 2 hours ago, whelk said: No idea why the world’s politicians are putting sanctions on Russia when could just consult Saintsweb to understand they have no impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 24 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Trump says Putin is "smart" and a "genius". How might things be going if Vlad HAD managed to get Donnie back into the White House ? I genuinely thought that interview was a parody. Trump suggested doing the same on the Mexican border… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 5 minutes ago, farawaysaint said: I genuinely thought that interview was a parody. Trump suggested doing the same on the Mexican border… Be interesting to see how that washes with his supporters, I.e. right wing, halfwit xenophobes who know little about the situation other than Putin = Russia = communism = Satan… and Trump’s just w*nked him off live on air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 57 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Trump says Putin is "smart" and a "genius". How might things be going if Vlad HAD managed to get Donnie back into the White House ? TBF if the west's response isn't strong enough then Putin has played a pretty good hand from his perspective even if he is an evil dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 22 February, 2022 Share Posted 22 February, 2022 39 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Be interesting to see how that washes with his supporters, I.e. right wing, halfwit xenophobes who know little about the situation other than Putin = Russia = communism = Satan… and Trump’s just w*nked him off live on air. If Trump rebranded Putin as a genius and smart, then that's what his minions will be satisfied believing. they don't know what the USSR was, the cold war was, what Ukraine is or what a book is, but they can go to bed knowing that Putin is now, a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Trump says Putin is "smart" and a "genius". How might things be going if Vlad HAD managed to get Donnie back into the White House ? Makes you wonder how much of Putins load Trump has taken over the years, so to speak. This will dumfound the rednecks, at least those that remember the body bags returning from gook-land in the name of stopping the pinko dominos falling. Biden's presser was measured, restrained but enough for now. The gambit would be to open talks to grant Ukraine full membership of NATO together with a massive boost in military equipment, but I doubt the West has the balls for that at the moment, although Putins arse might start twitching a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, kyle04 said: remember the body bags returning from gook-land in the What sort of language is this? Quite weird watching/reading the media masses and twitterati in shock that we are not "doing enough" It is a bit late isn't it? Whilst we are tearing down statues, arguing about cake and pronouns, Russia have been massing a massive force in Eastern Europe. All this time, no one cared. Bit late now to get "angry" Edited 23 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 6 hours ago, kyle04 said: Makes you wonder how much of Putins load Trump has taken over the years, so to speak. This will dumfound the rednecks, at least those that remember the body bags returning from gook-land in the name of stopping the pinko dominos falling. Biden's presser was measured, restrained but enough for now. The gambit would be to open talks to grant Ukraine full membership of NATO together with a massive boost in military equipment, but I doubt the West has the balls for that at the moment, although Putins arse might start twitching a bit. Ukraine cannot join nato while they do not have their full territory I thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 Why would we want Ukraine in NATO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 32 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Why would we want Ukraine in NATO ? Why wouldn’t “we?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Why wouldn’t “we?” Quite. I can't see a credible argument to deny them having allowed the baltic states and Poland. Moreover, there's no way that we can now bow to Putin's pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 Meanwhile at the Kremlin, Vlad is pacing round his office gesturing to his cronies; "I don't understand the West, can't they see that all I want is a little peace, a little peace..... A little piece of Donetsk, a little piece Luhansk, The whole of the Crimea, and Chernhiv perchance." ( With apologies to the shade of the great Mel Brooks ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 23 February, 2022 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: What sort of language is this? Quite weird watching/reading the media masses and twitterati in shock that we are not "doing enough" It is a bit late isn't it? Whilst we are tearing down statues, arguing about cake and pronouns, Russia have been massing a massive force in Eastern Europe. All this time, no one cared. Bit late now to get "angry" I don’t think you quite understand how the news works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: It is a bit late isn't it? Whilst we are tearing down statues, arguing about cake and pronouns, Russia have been massing a massive force in Eastern Europe. All this time, no one cared. Bit late now to get "angry" The government we taking cash from Putin's mates and London has been laundering dirty Russian cash for years but it's all because of Woke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 1 hour ago, egg said: Quite. I can't see a credible argument to deny them having allowed the baltic states and Poland. Moreover, there's no way that we can now bow to Putin's pressure. Ukraine joining NATO (not that they want to) would clearly create a situation with Vlad. Probably spark a new era of a significant military stand-off. That is something we have zero appetite for (or could afford) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, aintforever said: The government we taking cash from Putin's mates and London has been laundering dirty Russian cash for years but it's all because of Woke That is a good point. No one really gave/gives a toss. Cake is more important Edited 23 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: That is a good point. No one really gave/gives a toss. Cake is more important What's Cake got to do with Woke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 1 minute ago, aintforever said: What's Cake got to do with Woke? Not a great deal, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Not a great deal, why? None of it has anything to do with Russia. Surely we should be more concerned about the Tories being funded by Russian money rather than Cake or Woke suff? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 15 minutes ago, aintforever said: None of it has anything to do with Russia. Surely we should be more concerned about the Tories being funded by Russian money rather than Cake or Woke suff? Bit late now isn't it. That is the point. Throw in that no one really cares, not as much as cake, pronouns, taking the knee and such like. Take a look at the recent prezzers, Sunday, 6 Boris spent 6 mins talking about Ukraine, but even longer about cake. Even in Germany (as leaders gathered about Ukraine), BBC asked Boris about cake. No one cared about Russia/Russian money. So to see the chattering classes get wound up about it now, as Russia roll into Ukraine, is a bit naff/funny/predictable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Bit late now isn't it. That is the point. Throw in that no one really cares, not as much as cake, pronouns, taking the knee and such like. Take a look at the recent prezzers, Sunday, 6 Boris spent 6 mins talking about Ukraine, but even longer about cake. Even in Germany (as leaders gathered about Ukraine), BBC asked Boris about cake. No one cared about Russia/Russian money. So to see the chattering classes get wound up about it now, as Russia roll into Ukraine, is a bit naff/funny/predictable Still don't get the link between Russia invading Ukraine and Woke, I'm struggling to think of anything less related to be honest. A government can deal social inequality at the same time as dealing with foreign policy issues. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and the war in the Donbas has been going on since then as well, the UK's policy on Ukraine has not be influenced at all by cake or woke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 15 hours ago, whelk said: Hope they put a ban on those fat bald cunts travelling to anywhere I might be visiting this summer Brexit voters? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 23 February, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Bit late now isn't it. That is the point. Throw in that no one really cares, not as much as cake, pronouns, taking the knee and such like. Take a look at the recent prezzers, Sunday, 6 Boris spent 6 mins talking about Ukraine, but even longer about cake. Even in Germany (as leaders gathered about Ukraine), BBC asked Boris about cake. No one cared about Russia/Russian money. So to see the chattering classes get wound up about it now, as Russia roll into Ukraine, is a bit naff/funny/predictable Can’t believe you haven’t yet called out Rashford for not committing to boycotting the CL final if remains in St Petersburg? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, aintforever said: Still don't get the link between Russia invading Ukraine and Woke, I'm struggling to think of anything less related to be honest. A government can deal social inequality at the same time as dealing with foreign policy issues. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and the war in the Donbas has been going on since then as well, the UK's policy on Ukraine has not be influenced at all by cake or woke. It is influenced by votes and public pressure. The government have acted like a weathervane for ages, and bow to public pressure on most things. No public pressure for anything around Russia and Ukraine. Hardly any now! Why? No one really cares Edited 23 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: It is influenced by votes and public pressure. The government have acted like a weathervane for ages, and bow to public pressure on most things. No public pressure for anything around Russia and Ukraine. Hardly any now! Why? No one really cares White people invading another white persons country. Nothing to be outraged about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 37 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: It is influenced by votes and public pressure. The government have acted like a weathervane for ages, and bow to public pressure on most things. No public pressure for anything around Russia and Ukraine. Hardly any now! Why? No one really cares What do you consider would count as 'public pressure' regarding this? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: It is influenced by votes and public pressure. The government have acted like a weathervane for ages, and bow to public pressure on most things. No public pressure for anything around Russia and Ukraine. Hardly any now! Why? No one really cares What are you dribbling on about, there is next to nothing in the news except Russia and Ukraine at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 Bet Ukraine wished it joined NATO a long time ago. We are obviosuly going to do nothing and Putin knows it. Britain and the EU have been distracted for 6 years dealing with its divorce, US distracted by Trump and whatever shinny object has his attention now, while Putin has been preparing for this moment. I agree he would never have invaded under Trump, but only because he provided great cover for preparation as soon he was gone Putin would strike. Its not like if Trump is re-elected that he will give it back. Those social justice warriors are not going to fight to prevent Ukrainians oppressions under Russian control. And the republicans look ready to cuddle up to Uncle Putin because Trump tells them too. And mean while back in Blighty you got BoJo, who is our modern day Churchill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mystic Force said: Bet Ukraine wished it joined NATO a long time ago. We are obviosuly going to do nothing and Putin knows it. Britain and the EU have been distracted for 6 years dealing with its divorce, US distracted by Trump and whatever shinny object has his attention now, while Putin has been preparing for this moment. I agree he would never have invaded under Trump, but only because he provided great cover for preparation as soon he was gone Putin would strike. Its not like if Trump is re-elected that he will give it back. Those social justice warriors are not going to fight to prevent Ukrainians oppressions under Russian control. And the republicans look ready to cuddle up to Uncle Putin because Trump tells them too. And mean while back in Blighty you got BoJo, who is our modern day Churchill? Financial sanctions and providing weapons to the Ukraine is not 'nothing'. What else could they do? Sending soldiers creates a world war and possibly nuclear war. So that isn't going to happen. How would Trump being president now prevent an invasion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 21 minutes ago, aintforever said: What are you dribbling on about, there is next to nothing in the news except Russia and Ukraine at the moment. what about last month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Sending soldiers creates a world war and possibly nuclear war. So that isn't going to happen. Sending NATO forces into the area, whilst undoubtedly a big escalation, isn't going to lead to either a world or nuclear war. Neither side is going to risk total nuclear obliteration over some farmland and a couple of coal mines in East Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 (edited) Taking peoples money is not the same as physically stopping them. Dissuading someone from action is different from preventing that action. I do not believe that the UK has the power to dissuade and the US and UK do not have the will to militarily oppose. You are right that could be a world war. Trump would not stop Putin for positive reasons, Putin could afford to bide his time under Trump being able to do what was necessary to be ready, knowing Trump was not got going to stop him and even possibly aiding him in his ultimate goal. Once Trump was gone Putin can jump in knowing that Trumps bomb throwing from the side will help disrupt any US response. TLDR Trump doesn't prevent Putin, but delays and assists Putin. EDIT As I have no posts. Assist by looking the other way, helping on sanctions, telling him stuff in the meeting which had no other American in it, being a dumb ass and letting slip sluff he should not have. Not allowing the US to prepare for this kind of eventuality. Being not bright to figure out he is being used. I ascribe this to incompetency rather than malice. I am not obsessed I merrily live in the US these days and it is close at hand, and it was rather hard not to see it on a daily basis for all that time and you can see how it still shapes the discourse. Edited 23 February, 2022 by Mystic Force Need more space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mystic Force said: Taking peoples money is not the same as physically stopping them. Dissuading someone from action is different from preventing that action. I do not believe that the UK has the power to dissuade and the US and UK do not have the will to militarily oppose. You are right that could be a world war. Trump would not stop Putin for positive reasons, Putin could afford to bide his time under Trump being able to do what was necessary to be ready, knowing Trump was not got going to stop him and even possibly aiding him in his ultimate goal. Once Trump was gone Putin can jump in knowing that Trumps bomb throwing from the side will help disrupt any US response. TLDR Trump doesn't prevent Putin, but delays and assists Putin. How would Trump 'assist' Putin? You seem overly obsessed by him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: How would Trump 'assist' Putin? You seem overly obsessed by him By publicly stating he wanted to withdraw US financial support for NATO in Europe, and making it plain that he ( Trump ) had no interest in continuing to paint Russia as a threat. By not opposing Putin, Trump encourages him. Edited 23 February, 2022 by badgerx16 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: what about last month? Yep, Ukraine was in the news last month too. Funny how you can have both home news and foreign affairs in the same programmes/news outlets. Or do you think that our Foreign Minster and the defence staff all spend their time eating cake? Mind you, you might know something about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 23 February, 2022 What I don’t understand is why the storms aren’t headline news anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 More importantly has everyone changed their Facebook profile picture yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 February, 2022 Share Posted 23 February, 2022 49 minutes ago, whelk said: What I don’t understand is why the storms aren’t headline news anymore? Storms tomorrow, they'll be on the news tonight and tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 23 February, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: More importantly has everyone changed their Facebook profile picture yet? Don’t have a Facebook account but going to get it tattooed on my arse to show my commitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 February, 2022 Share Posted 24 February, 2022 Sounds like they are starting to move in with explosions heard from reporters in Kyiv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 February, 2022 Share Posted 24 February, 2022 Comparing the coverage of everything happening on RT Live to Sky News and BBC News is certainly interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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