badgerx16 Posted 29 March, 2022 Share Posted 29 March, 2022 (edited) If they were serious why didn't they, "in the spirit of trust", announce a ceasefire in Mariupol ? Edited 29 March, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 29 March, 2022 Share Posted 29 March, 2022 40 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: If they were serious why didn't they, "in the spirit of trust", announce a ceasefire in Mariupol ? Seems likely they’re using it as a fig leaf to cover a retreat from an area where they’re getting their arses handed to them. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 March, 2022 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2022 4 hours ago, Jimmy_D said: Probably the end of Russia having any chance of controlling the whole of Ukraine, but that’s been looking less and less likely for a while now anyway. Do you think the people of Norfolk are safe to come out of their bomb shelters now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 March, 2022 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2022 3 hours ago, Jimmy_D said: Seems likely they’re using it as a fig leaf to cover a retreat from an area where they’re getting their arses handed to them. Watch the lickspittles lap this up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 29 March, 2022 Share Posted 29 March, 2022 33 minutes ago, whelk said: Do you think the people of Norfolk are safe to come out of their bomb shelters now? Don't tell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 29 March, 2022 Share Posted 29 March, 2022 https://henrybolton.substack.com/p/are-we-underestimating-the-kremlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 29 March, 2022 Share Posted 29 March, 2022 28 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: https://henrybolton.substack.com/p/are-we-underestimating-the-kremlin Except that those objectives are anything other than secure, and it's already cost them more than they would have counted on. Russia have been sanctioned more than anyone would believe, NATO are stronger than ever (especially on Russia's borders), and Russia's military capability has been severely diminished, not only through loss of materiel, but perception of ability as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 29 March, 2022 Share Posted 29 March, 2022 43 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: https://henrybolton.substack.com/p/are-we-underestimating-the-kremlin There is no way Ukraine would settle for anything short of the pre-war borders and returrning to the Minsk agreement over Donbas, and the West will continue to support it to that end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: https://henrybolton.substack.com/p/are-we-underestimating-the-kremlin Henry Bolton was revealed to be a racist fool when he was leader of UKIP. I wouldn't worry too much about what he thinks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: https://henrybolton.substack.com/p/are-we-underestimating-the-kremlin Definitely underestimated their ability to get their own Generals killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 8 hours ago, badgerx16 said: There is no way Ukraine would settle for anything short of the pre-war borders and returrning to the Minsk agreement over Donbas, and the West will continue to support it to that end. I suspect that's been the case, but there's no way Russia would settle for that. Essentially it would restate the pre war status quo, and Putin will need a victory. The Muriopol area/that land corridor and the coastal area from the Donbas to Crimea will be the area of contention, and something has to give in negotiations to exit this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 41 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Definitely underestimated their ability to get their own Generals killed. They're winning on that score. Keep going and they could release a dead generals top trumps set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 1 hour ago, egg said: I suspect that's been the case, but there's no way Russia would settle for that. Essentially it would restate the pre war status quo, and Putin will need a victory. The Muriopol area/that land corridor and the coastal area from the Donbas to Crimea will be the area of contention, and something has to give in negotiations to exit this. And there is the problem; Putin needs something he can spin as a win. A neutral non-aligned Ukraine gives him that, but without territorial gain would he accept ? If he does gain territorially then his aggression and destructive vindictiveness is justified, and just like Hitler he will be emboldened to look for his next target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 5 hours ago, Tamesaint said: Henry Bolton was revealed to be a racist fool when he was leader of UKIP. I wouldn't worry too much about what he thinks. Don't get fooled into disregarding what someone says just because you dislike them, he makes completely plausible arguments in his report, seems like putin's main aim was to get this land corridor down to Crimea, he seems to have arrogantly thought he could take over the whole of Ukraine at the same time with little or no resistance, we all know what happened next, he could well be falling back to his initial aim to save face and even this is something that should not be allowed. I also think he's correct in his assertion that placing NATO troops in Ukraine before all of this may well have have angered putin, but he would not have dared invaded with them stationed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 17 hours ago, Jimmy_D said: Seems likely they’re using it as a fig leaf to cover a retreat from an area where they’re getting their arses handed to them. I think that is correct to a degree, but a war on 2 fronts where one side cant rearm (unless they use captured munitions) will only go one way long term. The Ukrainians will be ground down, not due to will ,but due to the fact they have nothing to fight with. Each time they lose aircraft, tanks etc they become even more overwhelmed. Unless the west somehow find a way of supplying such things it will be game over in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 What will Putin accept if his forces are actually defeated and essentially pushed out of Ukrainian territory, does Ukraine need to give him something then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mystic Force said: What will Putin accept if his forces are actually defeated and essentially pushed out of Ukrainian territory, does Ukraine need to give him something then? We could give him some Clubcard points and a light Smorgasbord. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 6 hours ago, OldNick said: I think that is correct to a degree, but a war on 2 fronts where one side cant rearm (unless they use captured munitions) will only go one way long term. The Ukrainians will be ground down, not due to will ,but due to the fact they have nothing to fight with. Each time they lose aircraft, tanks etc they become even more overwhelmed. Unless the west somehow find a way of supplying such things it will be game over in time Both sides are losing materiel faster than they can replace it, but Ukraine actually has more tanks now than it started with, and weapons supply to Ukraine has been significant. The most important factor in this conflict has possibly been real time Western intelligence provided to Ukraine. That appears to have been a huge force multiplier, and will also allow Ukraine to make accurate decisions on how much of their defence they can redeploy if Russia do start to fall back in some areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 30 March, 2022 Share Posted 30 March, 2022 Very true, what Ukraine gas achieved with the"light" weapons supplied by the west has been remarkable, but although they've captured hundreds of pieces from the Russians, they may start running short of ammunition for their tanks and artillery at some point, and their limited aircraft numbers are being slowly depleted from the looks of it. Russia can re-arm it's forces quite easily in the eastern region, but even they may run low on serviceable equipment it it's losses continue(?). Your spot on about the intelligence I think, it's safe to assume that US satellite data is being fed to the Ukrainians which is a massive advantage. I think if Russia do start retreating its forces towards the Donbas soon Ukraine should hammer them as hard as they can, destroying as much equipment as possible before it can get to the more fortified regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 31 March, 2022 Share Posted 31 March, 2022 https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/31/chernobyl-withdrawn-russian-troops-suffering-radiation-poisoning-16377485/ Quote ‘Have you dug trenches in the Red Forest, bitches? Now live with it for the rest of your short life. ‘There are rules for dealing with this area. They are mandatory because radiation is physics – it works without regard to status or shoulder straps. ‘With minimal intelligence in command or soldiers, these consequences could have been avoided.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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badgerx16 Posted 31 March, 2022 Share Posted 31 March, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: The Russian Central Bank is artificially boosting the currency and controlling trading activity to create an illusion of strength. Interest rates are high, and likely to go higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 31 March, 2022 Share Posted 31 March, 2022 4 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The Russian Central Bank is artificially boosting the currency and controlling trading activity to create an illusion of strength. Interest rates are high, and likely to go higher. Yeah, there are a few things propping it up at the moment, all export earnings in Russia are now required to be converted to roubles, there’s the ban on buying Euros or Dollars, and Putin’s threats to make gas sales Rouble only. Basically it’s still as worthless as it was before in the areas that sanctions have hit, and Russia is using the areas where it’s still used and leaning on them to artificially inflate the value on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 March, 2022 Share Posted 31 March, 2022 Annie Lennox is looking a bit rough these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 31 March, 2022 Share Posted 31 March, 2022 Lol. Is that one of the "mysteron" agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 31 March, 2022 Share Posted 31 March, 2022 After just received his orders from Putin, he's thinking "you're sending me fucking where ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 1 April, 2022 Share Posted 1 April, 2022 (edited) Ukraine have sacked two top officials and stripped them of rank for being traitors. Wonder what they did...👤 Australia sending Ukraine some Bushrangers now as well. Plus Ukraine just sent two choppers into Russia (for reals) and hit an oil depot. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ttixun/footage_of_the_helicopter_strike_against_the/ Edited 1 April, 2022 by skintsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 April, 2022 Share Posted 1 April, 2022 Russia says attacking the oil depot with a couple of helicopters will harm the ceasefire negotiations. The blitzing of Mariupol and 170,000 civilians apparently not a problem though. It really is incredible how brazen some regimes can be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 1 April, 2022 Share Posted 1 April, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Russia says attacking the oil depot with a couple of helicopters will harm the ceasefire negotiations. The blitzing of Mariupol and 170,000 civilians apparently not a problem though. It really is incredible how brazen some regimes can be. But the destruction of Mariupol is being done by the Ukrainians, Russian state media says so. ( And according to Russian Law, censorship is illegal ). Edited 1 April, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 April, 2022 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2022 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Russia says attacking the oil depot with a couple of helicopters will harm the ceasefire negotiations. The blitzing of Mariupol and 170,000 civilians apparently not a problem though. It really is incredible how brazen some regimes can be. As long as we don’t over step the mark and say we want Putin gone. Beyond the pale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 1 April, 2022 Share Posted 1 April, 2022 Why don't Ukraine follow suit and claim it was a false flag operation ? "...fuck all to do with us mate" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 1 April, 2022 Share Posted 1 April, 2022 33 minutes ago, kyle04 said: Why don't Ukraine follow suit and claim it was a false flag operation ? "...fuck all to do with us mate" I have seen discussion that says it cannot be a false flag operation because it was carried out without collateral civilian deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 1 April, 2022 Share Posted 1 April, 2022 Ukraine should say the fuel depot was staffed with nazis and they were just undertaking a special military operation to de-nazify it... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 April, 2022 Share Posted 2 April, 2022 "The Russian media regulator threatened Wikipedia with fines Thursday of up to 4 million rubles (about $49,000) if it doesn’t delete information about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine that diverges from the Kremlin’s version of events, in the latest attempt by the Russian government to clamp down on the media and restrict what the Russian public knows about the war." "The Russian media censorship agency Roskomnadzor demanded the volunteer-run online encyclopedia take down any information on the invasion that is “misinforming” Russians, according to a statement." "Roskomnadzor didn’t detail in the notice what information it was referring to, but Russian Wikipedia editors told Vice earlier this month that Roskomnadzor threatened to block Wikipedia for including information from the Ukrainian government on Ukrainian civilian and Russian troop casualties in its “Russian Invasion of Ukraine” Russian language entry." https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/03/31/russia-demands-wikipedia-take-down-information-about-ukraine-war/?sh=6064aa866f2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 April, 2022 Share Posted 2 April, 2022 Watching a documentary on Channel 4 about Chernobyl. When asked what the most difficult aspect of dealing with the ordeal was Gorbachev replied, "getting the information." A whole culture built on telling people above you what they want to hear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 April, 2022 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2022 Horrific accounts of what these Russian cunts did to Ukrainians in Bucha (and probably many occupied regions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 6 hours ago, whelk said: Horrific accounts of what these Russian cunts did to Ukrainians in Bucha (and probably many occupied regions). There is a video of that whole road. Horrific. Not just one group of bodies but everywhere. There was once scene where five women were found naked and dead surrounded by tyres. The Russians appeared to be about to burn them before they were forced out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 6 hours ago, whelk said: Horrific accounts of what these Russian cunts did to Ukrainians in Bucha (and probably many occupied regions). That picture's more disturbing than the ones of ruined cities somehow. The Russians will deny it of course, the cowardly lying bastards that they are. I just hope the Ukrainians will retain their humanity and not respond in kind, so far Zalensky has been very clear about the treatment of POW's for example. Given that the Russians are now regrouping and will likely change their tactics, and if the west is serious about defeating Russia, it's time to pile in more powerful weapons to give Ukraine a chance of defending against missile strikes for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whelk Posted 3 April, 2022 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, kyle04 said: That picture's more disturbing than the ones of ruined cities somehow. The Russians will deny it of course, the cowardly lying bastards that they are. I just hope the Ukrainians will retain their humanity and not respond in kind, so far Zalensky has been very clear about the treatment of POW's for example. Given that the Russians are now regrouping and will likely change their tactics, and if the west is serious about defeating Russia, it's time to pile in more powerful weapons to give Ukraine a chance of defending against missile strikes for example. Hard to retain humanity when you hear what they have done to civilians so their friends and families. I’d want my pound of flesh back in a savage way. Violence begets violence but these fuckers deserve everything they get. Edited 3 April, 2022 by whelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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egg Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 21 minutes ago, kyle04 said: Jesus. Words fail me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 There's going to be many more reports like these. Russia is descending into the abyss of a pariah state, but most of the Russian people will either be shielded from these unpleasant thruths or not believe them. Many Russian mothers are blaming Ukraine for sending their sons home in a box apparently, and as the world re-aligns itself either side of the Russian fence Putin will just reaffirm the line that the west was out to destroy Russia after all. We judge Russia based on our values and dearly bought freedoms, something they've never really had for any length of time. They destroyed the Romanovs and replaced them with a far more callous and inhumane political system, where one man alone can play out his murderous fantasies 100 years hence completely unchecked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 Hopefully now we will hear no more claims from Russian soldiers who claim that they thought they were carrying out exercises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 1 hour ago, kyle04 said: There's going to be many more reports like these. Russia is descending into the abyss of a pariah state, but most of the Russian people will either be shielded from these unpleasant thruths or not believe them. Many Russian mothers are blaming Ukraine for sending their sons home in a box apparently, and as the world re-aligns itself either side of the Russian fence Putin will just reaffirm the line that the west was out to destroy Russia after all. We judge Russia based on our values and dearly bought freedoms, something they've never really had for any length of time. They destroyed the Romanovs and replaced them with a far more callous and inhumane political system, where one man alone can play out his murderous fantasies 100 years hence completely unchecked. I had a Russian gf 20 years ago and we're still in touch. She wanted to get married to a westerner. Her reasoning was that most Russian men are animals "because we had too many wars and too many dictators. All the good men died and all the cheats and liars and thieves survived". I thought it was a bizarre thing to say at the time, but the more you get to know them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sadoldgit Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 Wasn’t Liz Truss saying that we would lift sanctions once Russia withdrew their troops from Ukraine. Why? They need to pay for what they have done. Rebuilding Ukraine would be a start but I don’t get that we need to back off once the fighting stops - if it ever does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 1 minute ago, sadoldgit said: Wasn’t Liz Truss saying that we would lift sanctions once Russia withdrew their troops from Ukraine. Why? They need to pay for what they have done. Rebuilding Ukraine would be a start but I don’t get that we need to back off once the fighting stops - if it ever does. I get the sentiment SOG, bit I'm not sure how they could afford reparations without sanctions being lifted. There's also a need for the West to avoid being dependent on them on the future. Tough to get the balance right, but I agree entirely, they should put their hands on their pockets for a long time to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: Wasn’t Liz Truss saying that we would lift sanctions once Russia withdrew their troops from Ukraine. Why? They need to pay for what they have done. Rebuilding Ukraine would be a start but I don’t get that we need to back off once the fighting stops - if it ever does. This needs to be over ASAP. No matter what we are being 'fed' by our news, Ukraine is (at best) getting destroyed, price of everything is going up, and Putin (despite all the noise) will not find himself in the Hague Edited 3 April, 2022 by AlexLaw76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 April, 2022 Share Posted 3 April, 2022 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: This needs to be over ASAP. No matter what we are being 'fed' by our news, Ukraine is (at best) getting destroyed, price of everything is going up, and Putin (despite all the noise) will not find himself in the Hague So we stop it now and leave Putin with everything he wanted and no punishment ? That will stop him trying it elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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