revolution saint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Joe Biden has been barred from entering Russia. That's going to hurt him, I imagine he'll rethink his whole stance on Ukraine now........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 (edited) On 14/02/2022 at 08:53, buctootim said: I've just got marketing email from Ukrainian airlines. They're offering 15% off if I travel between today and end of March. I love a discount but cant help thinking I'd need more than 15% to go atm. Wonder if that offers still good? Got 2 weeks left to get it in! Edited 15 March, 2022 by Mystic Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 15 March, 2022 Author Share Posted 15 March, 2022 good to see the news protester only got a 30000 rouble fine. Fully expected her to have 15 years in the gulag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 4 minutes ago, whelk said: good to see the news protester only got a 30000 rouble fine. Fully expected her to have 15 years in the gulag That's about the equivalent of £8.50, I fully expected her to 'disappear'. Either way, she's an incredibly brave woman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 Just now, cloggy saint said: That's about the equivalent of £8.50, I fully expected her to 'disappear'. Either way, she's an incredibly brave woman. Thats the way they operate. Hit her with a modest slap on wrist to demonstrate what a free and liberal society Russia is then when the focus on her moves on accuse her of corruption or some other crime and bang her up for 10 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 4 hours ago, StDunko said: Source? (Just for your Ukrainian claims, I've seen reliable reports of the Saudi bit). I’d like to see the source to please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 4 hours ago, manji said: A couple of days before we played Newcastle the Saudis beheaded 81 “ criminals” in one day. Yet Ukrainian Fascists murdered 15,000 ethnic Russians in the Donbass since the fascist coup in 2014. If this is supposed to be ironic it's not it's Moronic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 6 hours ago, buctootim said: Buying less of their stuff. The EU and US account for two thirds of their exports Can’t see super companies like Apple or Nike refusing to use Chinese sweatshops to build or make their latest products, profits speak louder than sanctions. That’s before we factor in the likelihood of whether the west will stop importing agricultural products, or steel as two examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 3 hours ago, bpsaint said: Can’t see super companies like Apple or Nike refusing to use Chinese sweatshops to build or make their latest products, profits speak louder than sanctions. That’s before we factor in the likelihood of whether the west will stop importing agricultural products, or steel as two examples. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-says-it-halted-all-product-sales-russia-2022-03-01/https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/nike-makes-online-sales-unavailable-russia-2022-03-01/ They’re already giving up a huge amount of profit. Moving away from manufacturing centres isn’t as easy, admittedly, but I bet China won’t be thinking it's impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 8 minutes ago, bpsaint said: Can’t see super companies like Apple or Nike refusing to use Chinese sweatshops to build or make their latest products, profits speak louder than sanctions. That’s before we factor in the likelihood of whether the west will stop importing agricultural products, or steel as two examples. We'd just put tariffs on, which would change the economics of importing Chinese goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Joe Biden has been barred from entering Russia. Bugger. That’s his summer holidays knackered. Where else might he go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: Bugger. That’s his summer holidays knackered. Where else might he go? The Eastern Shore in Delaware in nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorsaint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 4 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Why would China or India want that? To tip the balance of power from the west. Its just a big game of chess. I am as ignorant on world geopolitics as I am on Covid just like the rest in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorsaint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 30 minutes ago, buctootim said: We'd just put tariffs on, which would change the economics of importing Chinese goods. 🙄 yep there it is, it’s that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 7 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said: To tip the balance of power from the west. Its just a big game of chess. I am as ignorant on world geopolitics as I am on Covid just like the rest in here. It doesn't tip anything anywhere, it just harms the economies of all involved. Like Tim said, 2/3 of China's trade is with the West, they don't have to do that. Given that the Chinese government basically controls everything there, if they wanted to shut off trade and have a cold war, they'd have done it years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, StDunko said: Source? (Just for your Ukrainian claims, I've seen reliable reports of the Saudi bit). https://www.rferl.org/a/death-toll-up-to-13-000-in-ukraine-conflict-says-un-rights-office/29791647.html Common historical knowledge Edited 15 March, 2022 by manji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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East Kent Saint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 13 minutes ago, manji said: So a bunch of out of context headlines Zelensky only came to power in 2019 and good luck for trying to turn around a corrupt country etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 (edited) Ukraine have a neo nazi problem. I mean, it is East Europe right? It also has two Jewish heads of state. Although they played a role in 2014, neo nazi members were not entirely instrumental in the 2014 Maidan uprising - the vast majority of (probably non nazi) participants and supporters were against the Russian puppet thug dictator Yanokovych who was their president, and a total bastard. (I wonder if he fancies the chance to try it for a fourth time?) To simply label it a "fascist coup", is weird. Edited 15 March, 2022 by LVSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 15 March, 2022 Author Share Posted 15 March, 2022 1 hour ago, manji said: So for clarity you are buying Putin’s de-nazifying line? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 7 minutes ago, LVSaint said: Ukraine have a neo nazi problem. I mean, it is East Europe right? It also has two Jewish heads of state. Although they played a role in 2014, neo nazi members were not entirely instrumental in the 2014 Maidan uprising - the vast majority of participants and supporters were against the Russian puppet thug dictator Yanokovych who was their president, and a total bastard. (I wonder if he fancies the chance to try it for a fourth time?) To simply label it a "fascist coup", is weird. What is really weird was the great British public distrusted the government’s covid regulations, the friends of the Tories siphoning covid testing , the utter fiasco over afghaningstan, the voting of Tory corruption, the popularity of gunboats against refugees. Yet snap it’s almost sacrilegious to point out the disinformation against the Russian rights. i still point that eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by ethnic Russians who don’t want to be part of Fascist Ukraine who have suffered hideous atrocities Ukraine are by default Nazis. The Nazi puppet leader Stepan Banderas was in charge of the worst Waffen SS Galicia division. There is a Bandera Square with a monolithic statue of the crazed leader. Every year there is a Bandera Day. Led by religious leaders, the AZOV Brigade of course and the Bandera youth. Many countries have fascists groups including the USA and Russia. But I fairly sure Russia have Nazi statues. ukraine is inherently embedded with Nazism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 19 minutes ago, manji said: What is really weird was the great British public distrusted the government’s covid regulations, the friends of the Tories siphoning covid testing , the utter fiasco over afghaningstan, the voting of Tory corruption, the popularity of gunboats against refugees. Yet snap it’s almost sacrilegious to point out the disinformation against the Russian rights. i still point that eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by ethnic Russians who don’t want to be part of Fascist Ukraine who have suffered hideous atrocities Ukraine are by default Nazis. The Nazi puppet leader Stepan Banderas was in charge of the worst Waffen SS Galicia division. There is a Bandera Square with a monolithic statue of the crazed leader. Every year there is a Bandera Day. Led by religious leaders, the AZOV Brigade of course and the Bandera youth. Many countries have fascists groups including the USA and Russia. But I fairly sure Russia have Nazi statues. ukraine is inherently embedded with Nazism. Do you think Russia's actions are justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 25 minutes ago, manji said: What is really weird was the great British public distrusted the government’s covid regulations, the friends of the Tories siphoning covid testing , the utter fiasco over afghaningstan, the voting of Tory corruption, the popularity of gunboats against refugees. Yet snap it’s almost sacrilegious to point out the disinformation against the Russian rights. i still point that eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by ethnic Russians who don’t want to be part of Fascist Ukraine who have suffered hideous atrocities Ukraine are by default Nazis. The Nazi puppet leader Stepan Banderas was in charge of the worst Waffen SS Galicia division. There is a Bandera Square with a monolithic statue of the crazed leader. Every year there is a Bandera Day. Led by religious leaders, the AZOV Brigade of course and the Bandera youth. Many countries have fascists groups including the USA and Russia. But I fairly sure Russia have Nazi statues. ukraine is inherently embedded with Nazism. Ukraine is mainly populated by Ukrainians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 1 hour ago, manji said: https://www.rferl.org/a/death-toll-up-to-13-000-in-ukraine-conflict-says-un-rights-office/29791647.html Common historical knowledge I'm not sure if you're trolling or stupid... Your original claim was: "Ukrainian Fascists murdered 15,000 ethnic Russians in the Donbass since the fascist coup in 2014." I asked for a source, you post a link which in no way supports your claim. Your source suggests that c.13k people have died in the conflict, of which c.3.3k were civilians, including the unfortunte 300 passengers of Malaysia airlines flight MH17, shot down by Russians and c.4k were Ukranian combatants. The article makes no mention whatsoever of fascists murdering anyone. It is true that there are fascists in Ukraine, much like there are fascists in Russia and in many other countries around the world, such as England and France. It is also true that some from the far right are involved in that conflict in Donbass. As you seem unable to produce any evidence to support your original claim then I suggest it is a complete exageration and I think you need to be a bit more careful before spouting baseless shit that you can't back up. There are fascists in Luton, in London and in Birmingham etc. etc. Are you suggesting that if Russia started bombing residential areas of those cities it would be justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, manji said: What is really weird was the great British public distrusted the government’s covid regulations, the friends of the Tories siphoning covid testing , the utter fiasco over afghaningstan, the voting of Tory corruption, the popularity of gunboats against refugees. Yet snap it’s almost sacrilegious to point out the disinformation against the Russian rights. i still point that eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by ethnic Russians who don’t want to be part of Fascist Ukraine who have suffered hideous atrocities Ukraine are by default Nazis. The Nazi puppet leader Stepan Banderas was in charge of the worst Waffen SS Galicia division. There is a Bandera Square with a monolithic statue of the crazed leader. Every year there is a Bandera Day. Led by religious leaders, the AZOV Brigade of course and the Bandera youth. Many countries have fascists groups including the USA and Russia. But I fairly sure Russia have Nazi statues. ukraine is inherently embedded with Nazism. You sound like Vlad. You really believe that Ukrainians are Nazis? As you rightly point out, there are far right factions in many countries, including this one, but, frankly, to repeat Putin’s bullshit claims and his pathetic excuse for his invasion on a sovereign country is bizarre. Edited 15 March, 2022 by sadoldgit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 27 minutes ago, manji said: What is really weird was the great British public distrusted the government’s covid regulations, the friends of the Tories siphoning covid testing , the utter fiasco over afghaningstan, the voting of Tory corruption, the popularity of gunboats against refugees. Yet snap it’s almost sacrilegious to point out the disinformation against the Russian rights. i still point that eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by ethnic Russians who don’t want to be part of Fascist Ukraine who have suffered hideous atrocities Ukraine are by default Nazis. The Nazi puppet leader Stepan Banderas was in charge of the worst Waffen SS Galicia division. There is a Bandera Square with a monolithic statue of the crazed leader. Every year there is a Bandera Day. Led by religious leaders, the AZOV Brigade of course and the Bandera youth. Many countries have fascists groups including the USA and Russia. But I fairly sure Russia have Nazi statues. ukraine is inherently embedded with Nazism. That’s just bollocks, Ukraine has some Nazis as does Germany or Russia, but they are not in power. Their parliament has only 1% from the far right and Volodymyr Zelenskiy is a Russian-speaking centrist of Jewish origin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 26 minutes ago, manji said: What is really weird was the great British public distrusted the government’s covid regulations, the friends of the Tories siphoning covid testing , the utter fiasco over afghaningstan, the voting of Tory corruption, the popularity of gunboats against refugees. Yet snap it’s almost sacrilegious to point out the disinformation against the Russian rights. i still point that eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by ethnic Russians who don’t want to be part of Fascist Ukraine who have suffered hideous atrocities Ukraine are by default Nazis. The Nazi puppet leader Stepan Banderas was in charge of the worst Waffen SS Galicia division. There is a Bandera Square with a monolithic statue of the crazed leader. Every year there is a Bandera Day. Led by religious leaders, the AZOV Brigade of course and the Bandera youth. Many countries have fascists groups including the USA and Russia. But I fairly sure Russia have Nazi statues. ukraine is inherently embedded with Nazism. How far back in history do want to go? It was Stalin who put ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine in the 1950's. WW2 ended in 1945. Banderas was assissinated in 1954 (USSR - poison). If you're trying to justify Russia'a actions on the de-Nazification idealogy and an annual gathering around a statue you'll have to clarify a little further...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 Ukraine is a sovereign country and it it wants to elect a load of Nazis isn’t that up to them? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 36 minutes ago, manji said: What is really weird was the great British public distrusted the government’s covid regulations, the friends of the Tories siphoning covid testing , the utter fiasco over afghaningstan, the voting of Tory corruption, the popularity of gunboats against refugees. Yet snap it’s almost sacrilegious to point out the disinformation against the Russian rights. i still point that eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by ethnic Russians who don’t want to be part of Fascist Ukraine who have suffered hideous atrocities Ukraine are by default Nazis. The Nazi puppet leader Stepan Banderas was in charge of the worst Waffen SS Galicia division. There is a Bandera Square with a monolithic statue of the crazed leader. Every year there is a Bandera Day. Led by religious leaders, the AZOV Brigade of course and the Bandera youth. Many countries have fascists groups including the USA and Russia. But I fairly sure Russia have Nazi statues. ukraine is inherently embedded with Nazism. What utter bollox. Bandera died 60 odd years ago and has got nothing to do with modern day Ukraine. We have statues of all sorts of people who have blood on their hands. By your bizarre approach, a statue of Cecil Rhodes, for example, suggests that we're inherently embedded with imperialism. Anyways, if the Ukrainian public choose to vote for a load of fascists it's got nothing to do with Russia and doesn't justify them smashing Ukraine to pieces. No properly tuned individual can justify what Putin is doing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 Not to put to fine a point on it but Ukraine was corrupt. Corruption was rife! Not an excuse to invade however as I would bet my life savings that Russia is even more corrupt. This kind of argument to justify invading a sovereign nation is absolutely insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 15 March, 2022 Share Posted 15 March, 2022 3 hours ago, manji said: https://www.rferl.org/a/death-toll-up-to-13-000-in-ukraine-conflict-says-un-rights-office/29791647.html Common historical knowledge Russia instigated the fighting in Donbas when the pro-Russian leadership of Ukraine was removed from power. The 'greivances' were manufactured and the 'separatists' were armed and led by Russians. As far as Ukraine is concerned it is an externally fuelled insurgency against a legitimate Government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Russia instigated the fighting in Donbas when the pro-Russian leadership of Ukraine was removed from power. The 'greivances' were manufactured and the 'separatists' were armed and led by Russians. As far as Ukraine is concerned it is an externally fuelled insurgency against a legitimate Government. This ^ the “separatists” consisted of a significant number of Russian military out of uniform. It’s been the Russian MO since Transnistria to subvert a region with a significant number of Russian speakers then move the military in under the guise of peace keeping. If the same thing happens 6 times or so it is not a coincidence it is a deliberate strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 On 15/03/2022 at 03:54, kyle04 said: generals are at the frontline, (3 of which have been killed), unheard of in modern warfare. 4 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 17 hours ago, aintforever said: The Greens have been bleating on about dependency on fossil fuels for years, at least one good thing to come out of this war should be more investment in renewables. Trump was right in what he said but I'm pretty sure he was just trying to flog more oil and arms to Europe. I doubt he knew what his pal Putin was about to do or has any concerns over the energy security of Europe. I think we can all understand why the Germans have not spent much on the their military given their history. Nope. Boris is off, cap in hand, to a country with a much, much better record of human rights so we can top up our supplies of oil on the cheap. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60754163 Quote Boris Johnson will meet leaders in Saudi Arabia later as he tries to build an "international coalition" against the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The PM will discuss securing energy supplies from the region, saying the world needed to "wean itself off" Russian oil and gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Nope. Boris is off, cap in hand, to a country with a much, much better record of human rights so we can top up our supplies of oil on the cheap. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60754163 Hooray democracy! 🥳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 Russia looks pretty corrupt to, so Ukraine would have been justified to invade them right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, farawaysaint said: Not to put to fine a point on it but Ukraine was corrupt. Corruption was rife! Not an excuse to invade however as I would bet my life savings that Russia is even more corrupt. This kind of argument to justify invading a sovereign nation is absolutely insane. Ukraine does have a corruption problem, institutional since the Soviet days BUT its gradually reducing and nothing like the levels of corruption in Russia. In Russia its not even corruption as we'd understand it, it starts with outright theft of state assets at the very top and cascades down to things like paying to pass university courses. You want to be a surgeon, have no experience but have money? sure no problem. You want to be a surgeon after six years of medical school but can't afford to bribe the examiners? sorry no chance. Edited 16 March, 2022 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 On a lighter note, there is one group who must be coining it in during the invasion - the suppliers of the coloured duct tape used as identification markers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 Thoughtful insight... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 For what it’s worth the ICJ at the Hague has ruled that the invasion must be immediately suspended. Can’t see it making any difference at this point with the war crimes already being committed, but it does mean that continuing the invasion at this point has been deemed illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said: For what it’s worth the ICJ at the Hague has ruled that the invasion must be immediately suspended. Can’t see it making any difference at this point with the war crimes already being committed, but it does mean that continuing the invasion at this point has been deemed illegal. Been reading something about this just a minute ago after seeing that elderly man killed by a tank and can’t help but think does it actually matter what The Hague say? Who’s actually going to bring Putin or his men to justice? The rest of the world will continue to tip toe around him as they’re too worried about the supposed repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 1 minute ago, bpsaint said: Been reading something about this just a minute ago after seeing that elderly man killed by a tank and can’t help but think does it actually matter what The Hague say? Who’s actually going to bring Putin or his men to justice? The rest of the world will continue to tip toe around him as they’re too worried about the supposed repercussions. They had a similar situation in South Africa where South Africa were compelled by law to arrest Bashir when he was on a state visit. Needless to say this did not happen but technically speaking all signatories will be compelled by law to arrest those convicted should they step foot on signatory territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 It’s as much of a symbol or statement as anything else. The phrase, "convicted of war-crimes in The Hague," carries a certain gravitas and mingles you in with some fairly unpleasant company. Most Putin supporters won’t care but it might start to dawn on some normal Russians who think this is just a localised military operation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 If you’re wondering why there’s been some pro Russia media content from parts of the US far right, 13.11 on this timeline will give you a clue - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-news-live-republicans-launch-last-ditch-effort-to-stop-jan-6-committee-accessing-emails/ar-AAV763j?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531 The fact the Republicans have largely taken a position of condemning the invasion hopefully is the start of a long journey to sanity and kicking Trump, his entourage and co to the gutter where they belong so we can ridicule them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 4 minutes ago, saint1977 said: If you’re wondering why there’s been some pro Russia media content from parts of the US far right, 13.11 on this timeline will give you a clue - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-news-live-republicans-launch-last-ditch-effort-to-stop-jan-6-committee-accessing-emails/ar-AAV763j?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531 12:36..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 12 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Nope. Boris is off, cap in hand, to a country with a much, much better record of human rights so we can top up our supplies of oil on the cheap. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60754163 That's just sort term, which makes sense. In the long-term investing in renewables is obviously the way forward for a country like ours. That along with insulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lighthouse said: It’s as much of a symbol or statement as anything else. The phrase, "convicted of war-crimes in The Hague," carries a certain gravitas and mingles you in with some fairly unpleasant company. Most Putin supporters won’t care but it might start to dawn on some normal Russians who think this is just a localised military operation. Shame that won’t matter to a tyrant like Putin, and normal Russians that try to oppose him or rise up will be dealt with the same way they always have. If only being convicted of war crimes meant the same to Vlad as it did to so many more before him. Edited 16 March, 2022 by bpsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 50 minutes ago, aintforever said: That's just sort term, which makes sense. In the long-term investing in renewables is obviously the way forward for a country like ours. That along with insulation. Investing in nuclear fusion would give far better, far more reliable results. That should be where the money is going for a 'long term' strategy. The concept has been proven, now it's about scalability. Won't happen though, way too many vested interests in fossil fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 March, 2022 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2022 Focussing on what truly matters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 March, 2022 Share Posted 16 March, 2022 1 hour ago, whelk said: Focussing on what truly matters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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