Russia

[whelk]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The geological issues will prevent it starting up again. The test wells in Lancashire were picked as being the most stable, and they easily exceeded the safety guidelines for tremors. ( Funny how nobody ever semed to push for fracking in Surrey, Sussex, Hampshire, and Kent, where there are supposed to be substantial deposits of gas ).

Has there been any impact in US? I don’t know enough about it but is a game changer if make it work and Americans seem to.

[Warriorsaint]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

Corbyn was banging on yesterday about need to nuclear disarm. Fucking idiot.

also saw the bs demo In Southampton had a ‘no to NATO expansion’. These people are truly clueless 

I agree with Corbyn. Absolutely no reason for us to have nukes. We are as important as Norway

[kyle04]

I think the events of the past fortnight have fortified the need for a continued nuclear deterant. Anyone who says that ditching our only military ace will placate a lunatic like Putin is at best naive, and if in a position of influence downright reckless. Corbyn would be more than happy to be ruled from Moscow, his puerile ilk are the epitome of "useful idiots", thank God the bastard never got elected. Just imagine that no European country had nukes right now, Putin would have us all by the balls. Sure the whole scenario is not very palatable, but that's the world we live in. As for being self-sufficient for our energy needs, something has to give, windmills and solar panels are never going to be enough. Meanwhile in Ukraine the Russians continue to take quite heavy losses, if the US can agree with Poland to backfill their MiGs with F16's they have a chance.

[Warriorsaint]

27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Bhutan have never attacked Guinea Bissau with land, sea or air power, so we can pretty much do away with our armed forces completely. Thank you Warrior, your insight will save this country billions in tax spending.

Thankyou. Beginning to see the light. Don’t know how Germany sleeps at night without nukes

[Warriorsaint]

2 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

I think the events of the past fortnight have fortified the need for a continued nuclear deterant. Anyone who says that ditching our only military ace will placate a lunatic like Putin is at best naive, and if in a position of influence downright reckless. Corbyn would be more than happy to be ruled from Moscow, his puerile ilk are the epitome of "useful idiots", thank God the bastard never got elected. Just imagine that no European country had nukes right now, Putin would have us all by the balls. Sure the whole scenario is not very palatable, but that's the world we live in. As for being self-sufficient for our energy needs, something has to give, windmills and solar panels are never going to be enough. Meanwhile in Ukraine the Russians continue to take quite heavy losses, if the US can agree with Poland to backfill their MiGs with F16's they have a chance.

Youre an idiot 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Warriorsaint said:

Youre an idiot 

No you’re an idiot

[kyle04]

1 minute ago, Warriorsaint said:

Youre an idiot 

An insult rather than a counter argument, is that the best you can do?

[whelk]

News actually making me weep looking at all those scared families. So needless

[Weston Super Saint]

11 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

I agree with Corbyn. Absolutely no reason for us to have nukes. We are as important as Norway

Not sure you've truly grasped the very basics of mutually assured destruction.

[whelk]

50 visas issued is a fucking disgrace

[Warriorsaint]

10 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

An insult rather than a counter argument, is that the best you can do?

Read your own post. Its all there. Bet you love  Farage too.

Amiright? 
 

its too easy

[Sheaf Saint]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

Has there been any impact in US? I don’t know enough about it but is a game changer if make it work and Americans seem to.

I don't know about geological impacts, but well casing failures are alarmingly common (mostly due to cost cutting on the construction materials) and have lead to widespread groundwater contamination and massive methane leaks. 

The economic and environmental cost of it is just too high to make it a realistic proposal. The level of investment required in infrastructure to begin mass production would be much better directed towards renewables.

[Whitey Grandad]

59 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Good, they are correct. If you don’t have missiles youre not a target. Don’t see Russia pointing nukes at Peru.

You wouldn’t see who they are pointed at. Maybe they are pointed at Peru, just in case somebody presses the wrong button.

[AlexLaw76]

Russia have apparently set their conditions for them to stop;

Crimea to become Russian 

2 X disputed areas to become independent

Ukraine mist agree to never join NATO, or such an alliance 

 

Take that statement on face value, what should happen now? Despite the news feeds and Twitter updates, Russia is destroying the country.  They have not yet got to a level as they did in Syria, and this has the potential to spill beyond Ukraine - which no one has an appetite for.  Ultimately, Ukraine is being destroyed, Russia can pummel the Eastern part of Ukriane from Russia itself....

 

Edited 7 March, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[kyle04]

2 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Read your own post. Its all there. Bet you love  Farage too.

Amiright? 
 

its too easy

You got me there, my poster of old "bollock face" has pride of place in my Nazi memorabilia room. Which part of my post angered you, no, let me guess, the Corbyn bit ?

[Mystic Force]

Right now I am in the process of doing QA checks on components used in fracking fluids as the demand for this stuff has gone nuts. 2 years ago we could not give the stuff away (we tried lowering the price to stimulate demand with no bites). Fracking here in the US is in big demand.  But that's partially because they are much more risk tolerant (although the risks are mostly taken on by a different group of people than generally get the reward....) But the irony is because of the resistance to spending more money than necessary huge amounts of methane are being released in to the atmosphere either because they are after oil and do not want the hassle of dealing with the gas capture or just because they leak really badly. Which if you know about methane is itself a potent green house gas. Rather undermining the reduction in CO2 generation by burning it as an alternative energy source. 

 

I understand we need to worry about climate change but doing the deal with the devil on gas does not look worth the price. But that would have required individuals and companies to have made earlier sacrifices.  I think we should just call Putin's bluff and intervene militarily. A no fly zone wont help, as that limits Ukraine from using its drone force too.

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Russia have apparently set their conditions for them to stop;

Crimea to become Russian 

2 X disputed areas to become independent

Ukraine mist agree to never join NATO, or such an alliance 

 

Take that statement on face value, what should happen now? Despite the news feeds and Twitter updates, Russia is destroying the country.  They have not started at a level as did in Syria, and this has the potential to spill beyond Ukraine - which no one has an appetite for.  Ultimately, Ukraine is being destroyed, Russia can pummel the Easter part of the country from Russia itself....

 

Russia should depose Putin, admit this whole thing was an obscene and tragic waste of innocent lives right from the start, pull out of everywhere (including Crimea and the so called LPR/DPR) and the world can return to sanity.

What will happen is a long and protracted continuation of what's happening now. Russia will eventually amass an unknown area of Ukraine but continue to face stiff resistance until eventually this whole thing collapses in on itself and they simply don't have the money to keep the war going. It'll take years and tens of thousands of lives.

[Jimmy_D]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Russia have apparently set their conditions for them to stop;

Crimea to become Russian 

2 X disputed areas to become independent

Ukraine mist agree to never join NATO, or such an alliance 

 

Take that statement on face value, what should happen now? Despite the news feeds and Twitter updates, Russia is destroying the country.  They have not yet got to a level as they did in Syria, and this has the potential to spill beyond Ukraine - which no one has an appetite for.  Ultimately, Ukraine is being destroyed, Russia can pummel the Eastern part of Ukriane from Russia itself....

 

The first mistake is taking anything Putin says at face value.

There's more and more evidence mounting up that he's not even being honest to his own troops.

[Warriorsaint]

9 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

You got me there, my poster of old "bollock face" has pride of place in my Nazi memorabilia room. Which part of my post angered you, no, let me guess, the Corbyn bit ?

No, not particularly. Just the usual right wing talking points indicating not an original thought in your head.

 I think the clincher was” imagine no European country has nukes” I can . Shall I name them?

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

The first mistake is taking anything Putin says at face value.

There's more and more evidence mounting up that he's not even being honest to his own troops.

 Impressed Batman has the inside track

[AlexLaw76]

12 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

The first mistake is taking anything Putin says at face value.

There's more and more evidence mounting up that he's not even being honest to his own troops.

I am not taking at face value, just asking what should happen if the offer was worth its salt. 

 

 

 

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Has there been any impact in US? I don’t know enough about it but is a game changer if make it work and Americans seem to.

There are issues with ground water contamination and atmospheric problems due to escaping gas. There may well be geological issues as well, but as the shale gas areas in the US tend to be much more open and relatively unpopulated, compared to the UK, they will impact fewer people, and the economics work better with less environmental restrictions and protections to be catered for. ( Plus the US regulatory bodies tend to be more lax ).

[sadoldgit]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I am not taking at face value, just asking what should happen if the offer was worth its salt. 

 

 

 

 

Why does Putin get to dictate what happens within independent countries?

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Why does Putin get to dictate what happens within independent countries?

It's tragic, but guess it is what nuclear powers do. 

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You wouldn’t see who they are pointed at. Maybe they are pointed at Peru, just in case somebody presses the wrong button.

Given the accuracy of their 'smart' weaponry on show in Ukraine, they might well hit Peru with the missiles aimed at the US.

[badgerx16]

31 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Russia have apparently set their conditions for them to stop;

Crimea to become Russian 

2 X disputed areas to become independent

Ukraine mist agree to never join NATO, or such an alliance 

 

Take that statement on face value, what should happen now? Despite the news feeds and Twitter updates, Russia is destroying the country.  They have not yet got to a level as they did in Syria, and this has the potential to spill beyond Ukraine - which no one has an appetite for.  Ultimately, Ukraine is being destroyed, Russia can pummel the Eastern part of Ukriane from Russia itself....

 

It is written into Ukraine's constitution to work towards and acheive membership of the EU and NATO.

[farawaysaint]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

It is written into Ukraine's constitution to work towards and acheive membership of the EU and NATO.

Changing the constitution so that Ukraine would never join any bloc was one of the conditions apparently.

Edited 7 March, 2022 by farawaysaint

[badgerx16]

Gabriel Gatehouse, the BBC correspondant, was on R4 news earlier, giving a breakdown of what keeps Putin in power. He likened it to a 3 legged stool; firstly a handful of close allies who control the army, the FSB, and the KGB; second the 'technocrats', professional diplomats and civil servants, such as Sergei Lavrov the Foreign Minister; and thirdly the oligarchs, or at least a subset of them that have remained closely loyal to him. In terms of who knew what was happening, the first group were in on it, most of the second and third groups were not told until the invasion started, having been consistently told that the 'exercises' were just that.

Edited 7 March, 2022 by badgerx16

[Mystic Force]

Clearly we should have let them in sooner.

[farawaysaint]

7 minutes ago, Mystic Force said:

Clearly we should have let them in sooner.

Hungary was blocking their ascension to Nato for some diplomatic spat if I recall.

 

edit there we go straight from the Hungarian horses’ mouth https://washington.mfa.gov.hu/eng/news/why-is-hungary-blocking-ukraines-nato-accession#:~:text=Since 2018%2C Hungary has been,rights of its ethnic minorities.

Edited 7 March, 2022 by farawaysaint

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Mystic Force said:

Clearly we should have let them in sooner.

The problem is that both organistions set preconditions on mebership, which Ukraine has so far not reached. Ironically, they are both now trying to enable fast-track routes for new members, such as Finland and Sweden joining NATO, and Moldova joining the EU.

[badgerx16]

Just now, farawaysaint said:

Hungaria was blocking their ascension to Nato for some diplomatic spat if I recall.

Up to now, Hungary has tended to be pro-Putin.

[Lighthouse]

Sister Mary is having none of it.

[kyle04]

Dosen't that constitute an invasion, the embassy would be "Russian soil" ?

[farawaysaint]

2 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

Dosen't that constitute an invasion, the embassy would be "Russian soil" ?

Well, no as it is not Ireland invading it’s a private citizen. It does count as Russian soil though yes.

Edited 7 March, 2022 by farawaysaint

[kyle04]

3 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

Well, no as it is not Ireland invading it’s a private citizen. It does count as Russian soil though yes.

Wars have started over less, better send Ireland some nukes just in case.

[Weston Super Saint]

35 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

Wars have started over less, better send Ireland some nukes just in case.

Meh, they'll have the backing of the EU army.

[AlexLaw76]

This lunatic was right about 1 thing... 

 

[Sheaf Saint]

22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This lunatic was right about 1 thing... 

 

It's a stretch to claim he was 'right' about it when it's so painfully obvious he's reading a speech written by someone else and stating the bleedin obvious. 

[farawaysaint]

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500959074653024259
 

So Ukraine just killed their third? Russian general? This is absolutely insane by the standards of modern warfare.

Edited 7 March, 2022 by farawaysaint

[Warriorsaint]

2 hours ago, kyle04 said:

Wars have started over less, better send Ireland some nukes just in case.

They don’t need nukes to kick out an invading force. Read a book.

[Warriorsaint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This lunatic was right about 1 thing... 

 

To be fair it was the one thing he was right about. I don’t know if it was him or not  but he nailed this. Hindsight is a great thing.

He was and is a lunatic though. Thank God Biden is there now. At this moment in time he is playing the high stakes poker game very well.

[kyle04]

9 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

They don’t need nukes to kick out an invading force. Read a book.

You really are a simpleton aren't you,a humorless disguntled little man unable to distinguish between serious comment and parody. Best leave this topic before you embarrass yourself further, just leave it to the grown ups.

[Warriorsaint]

28 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

humorless

Humourless 

[Fan The Flames]

9 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

It's a stretch to claim he was 'right' about it when it's so painfully obvious he's reading a speech written by someone else and stating the bleedin obvious. 

His motivation was less about geopolitics and more about selling more US oil and gas to Europe.

[egg]

7 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

To be fair it was the one thing he was right about. I don’t know if it was him or not  but he nailed this. Hindsight is a great thing.

He was and is a lunatic though. Thank God Biden is there now. At this moment in time he is playing the high stakes poker game very well.

It's hardly hindsight when a "lunatic" points it out on advance. Our reliance on Russia for oil and gas, and on China for manufacturing and goodness knows what is, has been known for many years. As Trump said, that reliance leads to the extortion that we're seeing now with Russia. If we won't risk the gas tap being switched off over Ukraine (or a nuke) will we do that for Moldova, Finland or a Nato country. 

We've as good as told him that he's got us by bollocks. Which he has. 

[Fan The Flames]

Countries like Germany banked on the notion that high levels of interconnection, rather than reliance, would help to moderate Russia's behaviour. Being reliant on Russian oil and gas makes Russia reliant on their cash, also it was believed to be helpful to have a positive relationship with Russia and so enable them to be able to mediate. 

With a normal rational leader this may have worked. But it didn't account for a steroid addled brain of a legacy chasing evil lunatic who doesn't give a shit about his people but only about a mythical greater Russia and Russian respect from the rest of the world.

Putin gambled that the west can't quickly switch from Russian oil and gas and the intelligence (tailored to what the nutter wanted to hear) was saying that the Ukraine invasion will be over in days. But the gambled has backfired. Russia's standing in the world is at it's lowest, it's traditional sphere of influence turns more westward, he has further damaged his reputation at home and the agents that keep him in power may start thinking about a regime change. Not to mention being pursued for war crimes.

The consequences for Putin are exactly what he deserves, but it's nothing to crow about because it comes on the back of the deaths of thousands of innocent people.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, egg said:

We've as good as told him that he's got us by bollocks. Which he has

Nothing quite says, "got us by the bollocks," like closing your stock market for two weeks, half the worlds banks and payment solutions pulling out and a rouble that’s worth it’s weight in toilet paper.

[Fan The Flames]

Russia is now threatening 'consequences' if we ban Russian oil, it seems that he is as reliant on cash from the west as we are on Russian energy.

Maybe we have each other by the bollocks.

[badgerx16]

Russia has included Taiwan on a list of countries is has ruled to be "unfreindly". Recognizing Taiwan as a country will piss off the Chinese.