buctootim Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 45 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: More made up shit. 'Russia' wasn't within the USSR. Do you actually have a point anymore or have you confused yourself? Here you go dippy. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-countries-made-up-the-former-soviet-union-ussr.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: Don’t try to be clever. There are plenty of ‘nation states’. The full title of Israel for example is ‘The State of Israel’. France is both a country and a state, or as a king once said “L'État, c'est moi ” What do they call themselves when they compete at the Olympics or the World Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: What do they call themselves when they compete at the Olympics or the World Cup? Team GB or something stupid like that. Have you seen what the United Nations thinks about it? https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states 193 of them I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said: Putin’s put Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on the highest level of alert. For everyone’s sake that needs to be a bluff, or everyone loses, including Putin. And now there will be peace talks on the Ukraine-Belarus border without the precondition that Ukraine lay down their weapons. That’s taking bad news/good news to an extreme. Ukraine might just have made it cost enough that even though Putin has the military strength to win, he doesn’t have the political capital to win a long guerrilla war, or perhaps more importantly, the peace afterwards. I'd like to think its a combination of factors - the military being restless with Putin's orders, the Russian population starting to realise what's going on and the realisation that financially they cant afford a long war. Hopefully that leads to Putin being deposed. I cant believe the military would actually launch nuclear war even if Putin told them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Lighthouse will be putting you lot in the kindergarten soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Team GB or something stupid like that. Have you seen what the United Nations thinks about it? https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states 193 of them I believe. Quote Member States For addresses and other contact information please refer to the UN Blue Book. For any changes in the name of the country, or its membership details, please follow the link on the Member State. The word 'state' in this context refers to 'statehood'. You asked for my definition of state and country, I gave it to you. Trying to prove my definition wrong because the UN has decided to use flexibility in its definition seems superflous (and so far off topic it isn't relevant) https://mckinneylaw.iu.edu/iiclr/pdf/vol12p25.pdf Quote It is common knowledge that, while there are traditional definitions of a State in international law, the term has been used in many different ways. We are all aware that, under the traditional definition of a State in international law, all the great writers have pointed to four qualifications: first, there must be a people; second, there must be a territory; third, there must be a government; and, fourth, there must be capacity to enter into relations with other States of the world. ... [But] the term 'State', as used and applied in Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations, may not be wholly identical with the term 'State' as it is used and defined in classic textbooks of international law 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 6 minutes ago, buctootim said: I'd like to think its a combination of factors - the military being restless with Putin's orders, the Russian population starting to realise what's going on and the realisation that financially they cant afford a long war. Hopefully that leads to Putin being deposed. I cant believe the military would actually launch nuclear war even if Putin told them to. Added to that the sanctions are hitting them now. Also most Russians don’t see Ukraine as an enemy. A lot of the fighting is between Russian people forced to be soldiers told to attack people they don’t see as an enemy, against people fighting for their home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 It just takes one Putin bodyguard to be a hero and end this madness... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: It just takes one Putin bodyguard to be a hero and end this madness... I( read a good analysis a few years ago arguing that the reason no-one has deposed Putin so far is because so many people owe their wealth and power directly to him - Putin is very good at preventing cliques or groups which might challenge him. Many don't like him but also don't like / trust each other - which means they can't agree on a successor. Maybe that calculus is changing now Edited 27 February, 2022 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 hours ago, whelk said: I’m no Tory but can’t fault them so far on handling it well. Just hope no easing off and actually get the oligarch’s property as they said they would. And then they’ll sell it to the Chinese instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 This is pretty apocalyptic. Shows the scale of some of the fighting. https://www.facebook.com/UkrainianLandForces/videos/1351511025364877/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 It seems the Antonov 225 has been destroyed. Obviously not comparable to any loss of life but sad, it was a truly unique aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 26 minutes ago, buctootim said: This is pretty apocalyptic. Shows the scale of some of the fighting. https://www.facebook.com/UkrainianLandForces/videos/1351511025364877/ Буча є Буча. Тут окупанту смерть неминуча! "Bucha is Bucha. Death is inevitable for the occupier!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: The word 'state' in this context refers to 'statehood'. You asked for my definition of state and country, I gave it to you. Trying to prove my definition wrong because the UN has decided to use flexibility in its definition seems superflous (and so far off topic it isn't relevant) https://mckinneylaw.iu.edu/iiclr/pdf/vol12p25.pdf I’m not trying to prove you either wrong or right. Merely pointing out that words have multiple meanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 48 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: It seems the Antonov 225 has been destroyed. Obviously not comparable to any loss of life but sad, it was a truly unique aircraft. Didn't realise there was only one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 hour ago, buctootim said: This is pretty apocalyptic. Shows the scale of some of the fighting. https://www.facebook.com/UkrainianLandForces/videos/1351511025364877/ I'm unclear - is that Russian armour that's been destroyed or is it Ukranian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: I'm unclear - is that Russian armour that's been destroyed or is it Ukranian? It's hard to tell for sure because some of the vehicles are used by both Ukraine and Russia and ofc when they are burnt out the badging is gone. But some of the destroyed vehicles are only used by Russia. Its either all Russian or a mix of the two but I think from reading the comments its Russian armour destroyed by hit and run Ukrainian troops Edited 27 February, 2022 by buctootim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) "Death is inevitable for the occupier here" The 'V' symbol seen on the vehicles apparently indicates Russian forces that have attacked via Belarus. Edited 27 February, 2022 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 There is a lot of debate about where or what current nation states were 50, 100 years of whatever ago. Theses arguments are meaningless, England did not exist before the 9th century, Germany before 1870, and Italy was not unified until Garibaldi sorted things out (arguably it still isn’t). For me it’s simple, if the UN recognise a Sovereign Nation State as of 27FEB 2022 then that’s what it is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 I have become slightly more optimistic in the last few hours. If reports are to be believed combined with the failure of Putins initial assault objectives then perhaps, just perhaps, the Russian people and especially those who have supported and feared Putin may rise up. Reading Putins mad ramblings it certainly has echo’s of Hitler in his Berlin bunker in April 1945. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Are the Russians still advancing or are they waiting for the outcome of the talks and if that fails, boom goes Kyiv? I never thought I’d live to see a pandemic and a full on war in Europe in my lifetime 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, moonraker said: I have become slightly more optimistic in the last few hours. If reports are to be believed combined with the failure of Putins initial assault objectives then perhaps, just perhaps, the Russian people and especially those who have supported and feared Putin may rise up. Reading Putins mad ramblings it certainly has echo’s of Hitler in his Berlin bunker in April 1945. Yes doesn’t appear to be going well for Russia but that isn’t necessarily goods news for Ukraine but shows Putin the rest of world can royally fuck them if they choose. Some knew this of course whilst others seemed to swallow hook line and sinker the propaganda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 9 minutes ago, whelk said: Yes doesn’t appear to be going well for Russia but that isn’t necessarily goods news for Ukraine but shows Putin the rest of world can royally fuck them if they choose. Some knew this of course whilst others seemed to swallow hook line and sinker the propaganda I like the line Royally fuck them, we could not prevent the initial assault, but if we can dethrone Putin via non military means that will be a game changing result in the history of conflict. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) Well done FA (and the other federations like Poland and France). Weak as piss from FIFA. Edited 27 February, 2022 by CB Fry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Yeah it’s a disgrace that Russia hasn’t been kicked out of the World Cup yet. The Russian people will be being fed a load of bullshit, being removed from something like the World Cup would send a message that couldn’t be spun any other way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2022 They will be kicked as pressure will be too much but clearly no will from Infantino. Fifa is one of the most corrupt bodies of all time and Putin has seen that they can be manipulated to his will, see 2018 WC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2022 All European countries shoudl boycott WC and carry on with our leagues as normal. be brilliant for Qatar to bring as much joy as the Beijing Winter Olympics with fuck all interest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, whelk said: All European countries shoudl boycott WC and carry on with our leagues as normal. be brilliant for Qatar to bring as much joy as the Beijing Winter Olympics with fuck all interest I’d like to see this happen anyway, awarding process behind last two WCs questionable and to end up with a worthless tournament would be well worth it. Russia needs to be totally isolated in all sport as SA largely was (one off and rebel rugby/cricket tours excepted). Olympics position has been appalling, look at the skating debacle in Beijing. Every time a Russian ‘athlete’ wins, you always think ‘is that a clean win?’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 I quite like that hackers have been messing with Russian banks, government websites, releasing oligarch contact details and dumping 40k files from the Russian Nuclear Institute online. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintasaurus Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 I’d like to see the club make a show of support. Possibly half/Hal’s scarves, saints/ Ukraine at weds game….yellow and blue kit….etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 Russia nearly doubled their interest rate this morning. Even if they do succeed in taking Ukraine, it'll be of no economic benefit by the time they have done so unless China is willing to prop them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-pows-prisoners-identification-dead/31726675.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warriorsaint Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 Well done Liz Truss. STFU. Starting a fucking Nuclear war. Is there no depths to their stupidity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 18 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said: Well done Liz Truss. STFU. Starting a fucking Nuclear war. Is there no depths to their stupidity? That’s a rhetorical question, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Edited 28 February, 2022 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 Two main Russian language news outlets down - Izvestia and TASS. English translation below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 (edited) Russia cluster bombing residential areas in Kharkiv. We've moved into war crime territory. Edited 28 February, 2022 by buctootim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said: Well done Liz Truss. STFU. Starting a fucking Nuclear war. Is there no depths to their stupidity? Another one of Putin’s useful idiots? I mean warrior not Truss Edited 28 February, 2022 by whelk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 (edited) No idea if true Edited 28 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: No idea if true Probably is. The selling of oil and gas was specifically excluded from sanctions - in part because they would hit the west just as hard / harder than Russia and in part because you need to keep back a threat of things getting worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said: Well done Liz Truss. STFU. Starting a fucking Nuclear war. Is there no depths to their stupidity? So what is it about Liz Truss’ comments that’s making you blame her, and not the bloke using comments on breakfast news about a defensive alliance as an excuse to ready nukes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jimmy_D said: So what is it about Liz Truss’ comments that’s making you blame her Because she is a Tory, that is why. Despite what is in from of WarriorSaint's eyes, it's all their fault Edited 28 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said: Well done Liz Truss. STFU. Starting a fucking Nuclear war. Is there no depths to their stupidity? "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside - if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history." Putin alluded to Nuclear retaliation 4 days ago. The finger should only be pointed at Putin for threatening Nuclear war. The Kremlin were inevitably going to attempt to justify their threats by deflecting the blame elsewhere. This was always going to be in their strategy to deter further sanctions and Ukrainian support (lethal and non-lethal aid) from the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said: Well done Liz Truss. STFU. Starting a fucking Nuclear war. Which statement of hers do you think triggered Putin to go all DefCon 2 ? Was it her astute grasp of Eastern European geography ? Perhaps her in depth understanding of the Russian Federation's constituent regions ? Or perhaps asserting that an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all ? Edited 28 February, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 28 February, 2022 Share Posted 28 February, 2022 (edited) Zero Hedge has long been identified as a Russian propaganda vehicle to undermine capitalist markets. It is a mixture of legitimate market commentary and pro Russian pieces. It will always take the negative side of an argument. It was founded by a disgruntled ex trader but was purchased by Russian intelligence operatives a number of years ago. So I would not take anything is says as being honest. All articles are written by "Tyler Durden" originally these were believed to be written by a a group of three people, but I do not know what the current state of it is. Edited 28 February, 2022 by Mystic Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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