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buctootim

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1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung says 500 Stingers and 1000 “anti-tank weapons” are being sent.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/berlin-schickt-ukraine-stinger-raketen-und-weitere-waffen-17836825.html

Yep I see the news has developed on from the initial story - which great news. Nonetheless it might be too little too late inf Kyiv falls tonight.  

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4 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Yep I see the news has developed on from the initial story - which great news. Nonetheless it might be too little too late inf Kyiv falls tonight.  

Kyiv won’t fall in one night. It would take hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy and suppress a city even if they use extreme measures. Even if key buildings were occupied this conflict would drag on and on throughout the country.

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Kyiv won’t fall in one night. It would take hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy and suppress a city even if they use extreme measures. Even if key buildings were occupied this conflict would drag on and on throughout the country.

I hope so. But if Zelenskiy and most of the leadership is killed a Ukrainian General could decide to surrender.   

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1 minute ago, buctootim said:

I hope so. But if Zelenskiy and most of the leadership is killed a Ukrainian General could decide to surrender.   

Could go either way, it would be a huge hit to morale, but it could also turn him into a martyr, especially with the story of how he came to power in the first place, and the way he's stayed to fight when he could have fled. Hopefully we don't have to find out.

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Appeared consensus from many posters that sanctions weren’t worth anything. Putin is a genius and his elite army with the best weapons better than anyone elses can take wherever they choose and we shouldn’t mess because bombs will come our way. Saintweb prophecy doesn’t seem to be all that. Who knew?

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7 minutes ago, whelk said:

Appeared consensus from many posters that sanctions weren’t worth anything. Putin is a genius and his elite army with the best weapons better than anyone elses can take wherever they choose and we shouldn’t mess because bombs will come our way. Saintweb prophecy doesn’t seem to be all that. Who knew?

Is it all over then? 

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24 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Sounds like some Russian banks are about to be removed from SWIFT, and Russia's Central Bank, holding Putin's warchest, will have its assets frozen.

That's going to have an effect.

I don't see how 'selected Russian banks' would work though. Surely the banned ones would just transfer through the unbanned ones? Isn't it all or nothing? Fully admit I'm no global banker. 

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2 minutes ago, buctootim said:

I don't see how 'selected Russian banks' would work though. Surely the banned ones would just transfer through the unbanned ones? Isn't it all or nothing? Fully admit I'm no global banker. 

Honestly, I don't know.

I guess the threat of other banks being added to the same sanction would deter unbanned ones from aiding Putin, and they can actually be added if required.

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2 hours ago, Jimmy_D said:

So it's tanks on the shortest route from the border to Kyiv that have been reported as running out of fuel then?

 

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

I didn’t say it was, you mentioned tanks not me. Either way if a military vehicle runs out of fuel on a 200 mile trip that’s pretty incompetent don’t you think?

56 tankers destroyed near Chernihiv - presumably they were on their way to refuel the tanks waiting to attack Kyiv.  

 
 
Operational information as of 20:00 February 26 regarding the Russian invasion
The Defense Forces of Ukraine give a worthy dividend to the aggressor in all operational areas.
Yes, in the Polish direction the attack of the enemy is stopped at the border of Borodyanka, Bucha, Vyshgorod. The enemy's units partially lost their fear.
In Siver region, the occupiers completed regrouping and continued the attack in order to block Kiev. Units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hold back the zagarbnika. In the Chernihiv region, the defense of the state blew up the echelon that transported 56 tankers with dizpalivom.
The opponent continues attempts to seize settlements in the Slobozhanskomu operating area, moving from Belgorod to Starobílsk.
In the Volynsʹkomu operocíjnomu district the enemy is conducting demonstration actions.
Thanks to the decisive division of the United Forces, the goal of the Russian Federation to reach the administrative borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions has not been achieved.
In the south direction, the opponent managed to get out on the border of Skadovsk and the Holy Prystaní. The State Defense Forces together with the Territorial Defense Forces are fighting fierce battles to prevent the fortress on the left bank of the Dnipro River. We urge the volunteers of the terror defense of Kherson region and Mykolaiv region to resist aggression!
In the Black Sea aquarium zenitnim missile unit of the Air Force of Ukraine destroyed Russian Su-30 cm.
Russian special targets and dispersants, contrary to Geneva conventions and war rules, use civil infrastructure objects to cover up their actions.
The martial spirit of Ukrainian soldiers is high!
Instead the enemy's troops are demoralized, they run out of fuel and food supplies. The opponent is carrying significant losses. Yes, the estimated losses of personnel are over 3000 people, tanks - about 100, BBM - about 540, cannon - 15, ZRK "Buk" - 1, aircraft - 16, helicopters - 18.
Also, the Russian occupiers massively leave the equipment and manage to escape.
Victory will be ours! Together we will win
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35 minutes ago, Uncle Albert said:

Apparently a Ukrainian fighter pilot has shot down 5 Russian MIGs making him the first fighter ace of the 21st century. Fuck yeah!  

They're calling him the Ghost of Kiev....... A crack ex-Russian Mig29 Fulcrum ace who's notching up Ruskie kills as he flies above the city...like a ghost!  Legend has it, he's got inside knowledge of transponder codes from his time in the Russian air force to successfully differentiate friend from foe, and blast them out of the sky with ease!

Oh FFS, he's been made up online........   I guess the Ukranian Reaper doesn't exist either then.   :(

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11 hours ago, buctootim said:

Stop trying to claim its okay to not know what youre talking about because you assume everybody else is as ignorant as you. 

I made this statement "They arent former Russian states, at least not in the past 100 years " which is incontrovertibly true. You tried to be smug and correct me, got it wrong and now are trying to backtrack. Get yourself some balls like the Ukrainians, apologise and then stfu.  

 

Odd that they would form the 'Russian' state ballet of Siberia in 1978 and not call it the 'Soviet Union' state ballet of Siberia.  Even more odd that it was made up of graduates of the choreographic schools of Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev, Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.  It's almost as if the old Soviet Union acknowledged over 40 years ago that it could still be referred to as 'Russia'.

History, eh?

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On 26/02/2022 at 07:51, aintforever said:

Not sure we have much choice, the threat has clearly changed.

If Russia fail, without NATO needing to put someone in harms way, do you think there will be a thirst from governments/people around Europe to massively increase defence spending?

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2 hours ago, whelk said:

As I don’t have enough leave left to join the Ukrainian foreign legion decided I would change my avatar. Let’s hope Turkish follows suit 

I’ve sent thoughts and prayers and uploaded a temporary Facebook profile picture with a Ukrainian flag. Can only keep it on until Thursday as it’s my cousins birthday so will need change it then to a picture of us kayaking in west wittering when we 19 but got to do your bit.

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Tories today claiming that Johnson is standing on the front line alongside armed forces as a true global leader, while the man himself told parliament this week that we are leading the world's response against Russia.

1. What have we actually done?

2. Why do they keep making up mad shit like this?

It's a fucking war, people are dying, let's do something constructive, sensible and dignified for a change.

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Tories today claiming that Johnson is standing on the front line alongside armed forces as a true global leader, while the man himself told parliament this week that we are leading the world's response against Russia.

1. What have we actually done?

2. Why do they keep making up mad shit like this?

It's a fucking war, people are dying, let's do something constructive, sensible and dignified for a change.

You do know we have done more than most nations on earth.  I am so sorry if that does not fit into your warped view that everything he does is bad, but it is true.

Whether we have done enough, who knows.

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You do know we have done more than most nations on earth.  I am so sorry if that does not fit into your warped view that everything he does is bad, but it is true.

Whether we have done enough, who knows.

whatever we do it’ll never satisfy a lot of people. Not exactly sure what people want or expect. Even when they agree with some of the stuff Johnson does they question his motives! Some of the weirdos on here blame the tories for their personal debt FFS 🤣

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4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Odd that they would form the 'Russian' state ballet of Siberia in 1978 and not call it the 'Soviet Union' state ballet of Siberia.  Even more odd that it was made up of graduates of the choreographic schools of Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev, Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.  It's almost as if the old Soviet Union acknowledged over 40 years ago that it could still be referred to as 'Russia'.

History, eh?

Ah. Marvel's own Feeble Boy. Special power - never quite grasping it.

Two simple points: 

1. You don't need to be of the same nationality or born in the same country to work for an employer. English National Ballet have dancers of over 20 nationalities.

2. You and Badger are simply demonstrating that a) you dont know the different between the USSR and Russia despite Russia being only one state and accounting for only half the population. b) that you've fallen for Putin's lie that Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltics, Kazahstan etc aren't real countries. They are simply bits of land that Russia misplaced one day and will be along soon to reclaim. The opinion of their people isnt relevant or important. By your logic India, half of Africa and parts of China are still British and have no right to determine their own futures.        

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You do know we have done more than most nations on earth.  I am so sorry if that does not fit into your warped view that everything he does is bad, but it is true.

Whether we have done enough, who knows.

The problem is that any claims he makes about standing up to Russia's financial influence just sounds like empty rhetoric when you consider his government is swimming in dirty Russian money...

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-report-donors-boris-johnson-conservative-party-2020-7?r=US&IR=T

Any action taken now is a simple case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. It's sheer hypocrisy for him to demonise Russia for buying influence abroad when he himself has personally benefitted from it.

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8 minutes ago, whelk said:

I’m no Tory but can’t fault them so far on handling it well. 
Just hope no easing off and actually get the oligarch’s property as they said they would.

Agree. Boris has been almost statesmanlike. Its just a pity that it took him so long to shape up and my admiration is tempered by the knowledge he is using this Falklands moment to save his own skin.   

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21 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Ah. Marvel's own Feeble Boy. Special power - never quite grasping it.

Two simple points: 

1. You don't need to be of the same nationality or born in the same country to work for an employer. English National Ballet have dancers of over 20 nationalities.

2. You and Badger are simply demonstrating that you've fallen for Putin's lie that Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltics, Kazahstan etc aren't real states. They are simply bits of land that Russia misplaced one day and will be along soon to reclaim. The opinion of their people isnt relevant or important. By your logic India and Shanghai are still British and have no right to determine their own futures.        

 

 

 

What on earth are you wittering on about?

1. What the fuck has that got to do with whether Russia was called (or considered itself to be) Russia or the USSR when the 'Russian' State ballet was set up?

2. Ukraine isn't a state.  It's a country.  That's not rocket science and I don't believe it is even being debated on here, that's just some bollocks you've made up!  The opinion of their people is entirely relevant as is their right to defend their country if / when attacked.  Feel free to point out anything that either Badger or I have said to the contrary, or wind your neck in and stop making up shit to suit your pathetic argument!

We've both said that Putin doesn't consider Ukraine to be a country, but accepting that that is his thought process whilst believing Ukraine is its own independent country is not an impossible task for those with brain cells.

Nice to see you've made an absolute tit of yourself once again :mcinnes:

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4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

What on earth are you wittering on about?

1. What the fuck has that got to do with whether Russia was called (or considered itself to be) Russia or the USSR when the 'Russian' State ballet was set up?

2. Ukraine isn't a state.  It's a country.  That's not rocket science and I don't believe it is even being debated on here, that's just some bollocks you've made up!  The opinion of their people is entirely relevant as is their right to defend their country if / when attacked.  Feel free to point out anything that either Badger or I have said to the contrary, or wind your neck in and stop making up shit to suit your pathetic argument!

We've both said that Putin doesn't consider Ukraine to be a country, but accepting that that is his thought process whilst believing Ukraine is its own independent country is not an impossible task for those with brain cells.

Nice to see you've made an absolute tit of yourself once again :mcinnes:

Where do you see a distinction?

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7 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Where do you see a distinction?

Have you ever heard of the 'United States of America'?  Or, perhaps the 'Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'?

Both of those are made up of 'states' within the physical borders of the 'country'.  Countries have borders, states are defined areas / territories / regions within that country's borders.

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1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Have you ever heard of the 'United States of America'?  Or, perhaps the 'Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'?

Both of those are made up of 'states' within the physical borders of the 'country'.  Countries have borders, states are defined areas / territories / regions within that country's borders.

So Russia and Ukraine were both equal status and level within the USSR. Good to know. 

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40 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Have you ever heard of the 'United States of America'?  Or, perhaps the 'Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'?

Both of those are made up of 'states' within the physical borders of the 'country'.  Countries have borders, states are defined areas / territories / regions within that country's borders.

Don’t try to be clever. There are plenty of ‘nation states’. The full title of Israel for example is ‘The State of Israel’.

France is both a country and a state, or as a king once said “L'État, c'est moi ”

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Putin’s put Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces on the highest level of alert. For everyone’s sake that needs to be a bluff, or everyone loses, including Putin.

And now there will be peace talks on the Ukraine-Belarus border without the precondition that Ukraine lay down their weapons.

That’s taking bad news/good news to an extreme. Ukraine might just have made it cost enough that even though Putin has the military strength to win, he doesn’t have the political capital to win a long guerrilla war, or perhaps more importantly, the peace afterwards.

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