rallyboy Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 Russian tanks in the streets, and how does the West defiantly fight back? Our media suddenly starts pronouncing Kiev differently to how the Russians say it... If that plucky act of defiance doesn't halt the tanks, I'm not sure what fucking can. 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 Reddit has a few videos going around, including one of a dead civilian and a dead Russian soldier laying next to each other. Apparently both killed by the Russians even though a couple of soldiers were trying to help the civilians - the other soldier helping was wounded and escaped. Looks legit from what i could see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 35 minutes ago, Johnny Bognor said: As far as I remember, the whole point of the EU was to prevent another European war. As this has clearly failed, should the EU now be disbanded? Posting on two different threads only reinforces the idiocy of this statement. The EU was founded with, partly, the intent of removing the threat of another war between France and Germany, given that most European wars since the fall of the Roman Empire have involved those countries, or their precursors, but especially WW1 and WW2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 1 minute ago, skintsaint said: Reddit has a few videos going around, including one of a dead civilian and a dead Russian soldier laying next to each other. Apparently both killed by the Russians even though a couple of soldiers were trying to help the civilians - the other soldier helping was wounded and escaped. Looks legit from what i could see. They would still be alive if the Russians had stayed out. Blue on Blue Russian casualties are sad for their families, but entirely the fault of Putin and his enablers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 23 minutes ago, rallyboy said: Russian tanks in the streets, and how does the West defiantly fight back? Our media suddenly starts pronouncing Kiev differently to how the Russians say it... If that plucky act of defiance doesn't halt the tanks, I'm not sure what fucking can. 😕 That's as daft as Delldays' cake and pronouns argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: The EU, (Germany) holding the line Further to the above... The dealing if Italian luxury goods and Belgium diamonds are exempt from any EU sanctions against Russia (according to reports) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Further to the above... The dealing if Italian luxury goods and Belgium diamonds are exempt from any EU sanctions against Russia (according to reports) They are pleading that they are a "special case". If everybody claiming an exemption had it granted, there would be no sanctons at all. There is no such thing as a one-way injunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 Quickest "World War" ever....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 11 minutes ago, trousers said: Quickest "World War" ever....? Unlikely, as apparently the 'conditions' are that they surrender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 12 minutes ago, trousers said: Quickest "World War" ever....? Getting bogged down in a drawn out war would be a disaster for Putin, I think he might have been caught slightly off guard by the level of resistance that's been shown. He's been appealing to the Ukraine military to overthrow the govornment too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 16 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Unlikely, as apparently the 'conditions' are that they surrender "Surrender now before we get beaten" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 (edited) Ukraine sign an agreement with Russia that they will demilitarise and never join NATO, Russian troops leave and then Ukraine rips up the agreement and joins NATO. If Russia can lie and double cross... so can Ukraine! Edited 25 February, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 Shit... just got serious.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Now if it was 5000 Helmuts....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 1 hour ago, trousers said: Quickest "World War" ever....? If only we had a forum member based there who could offer some local commentary 😥 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: The regulation army type, or the , er special black ones..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 3 hours ago, rallyboy said: Russian tanks in the streets, and how does the West defiantly fight back? Our media suddenly starts pronouncing Kiev differently to how the Russians say it... If that plucky act of defiance doesn't halt the tanks, I'm not sure what fucking can. 😕 While western response has been shameful imo. What has happened to us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Schwab Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 Time for china to enter the stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 30 minutes ago, buctootim said: While western response has been shameful imo. What has happened to us? Have you seen the state of discourse over the last 5+ years? (You are not daft, so that is obviously a question that does not require an answer) That with the fallout if Afghanistan and Iraq (which is not an excuse for most of the EU) We are now weak, lazy, represented by idiots who have visual horizon of about 3 years, if that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorsaint Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 UK really stepping up eh? Lots of Churchillian words eh Boris? What’s that there’s the son of a KGB agent in the Lords. Bought and Paid for M’lud. What did the Americans say. “The UK is not a reliable ally. Swimming in Russian money” Fuck the Russians and the Oligarch funded Tories. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: They’d need to cut a lot more than just one. The internet is derived from a military specification that allows for widespread disruption to signal paths. A few years ago I was in north west Ireland where I could see a cable laying ship a few miles out. I was told that the fibre optic cable it was laying had the capacity to handle all the transatlantic traffic between Europe and North America. I was trying to reiterate from memory. Our telecommunications are vulnerable is my point and Russian activity has concerned the MOD. 15 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Don't think we need to worry too much about their ability to 'hack the innernetz' then if they can't even do a simple Google search to find an already existing map of our undersea cable network If the chief of defense is concerned they're mapping our submarine cables, the publicly available maps are clearly not sufficient Edited 25 February, 2022 by Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 19 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said: UK really stepping up eh? Lots of Churchillian words eh Boris? What’s that there’s the son of a KGB agent in the Lords. Bought and Paid for M’lud. What did the Americans say. “The UK is not a reliable ally. Swimming in Russian money” Fuck the Russians and the Oligarch funded Tories. Yeah it's difficult to take Johnson's claims that no country could be doing more to stop the flow of Russian money than us seriously, when you consider that this time 2 years ago, having refused to publish the security report on Russian interference in the UK until after the GE, he was casually dismissing those who tried to raise concerns about its contents as bitter remoaners who were only trying to reverse the Brexit decision. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 So the UN security council tries to pass a resolution censuring Russia's actions, but it's vetoed by Russia themselves - who are currently chairing the council. Is anyone else seeing the major flaws in the UN's setup here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: So the UN security council tries to pass a resolution censuring Russia's actions, but it's vetoed by Russia themselves - who are currently chairing the council. Is anyone else seeing the major flaws in the UN's setup here? An organisation created by the 5 major allies that won WW2, ( and yes that does include France ). They made the rules and gave themselves permanent control of the General Assembly, and is why the US has a history of blocking resolutions condemning Israel. Edited 25 February, 2022 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 February, 2022 Share Posted 25 February, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60525996 "Take these seeds, put them in your pockets so that sunflowers will grow from your graves when you die here". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 Why the fuck is RT still broadcasting it's bullshit Putin propaganda in this country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Why the fuck is RT still broadcasting it's bullshit Putin propaganda in this country ? So that we don't turn into Russia and start banning free speech...? #riseabove Edited 26 February, 2022 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 Why haven't we seized Abromovich's assets yet? Would love to see Boris in charge of Chelsea, they'd be League 1 in 2 seasons I get the slowly, slowly approach to some of the sanctions being talked about as we have economies throughout the world to protect, but a blanket ban on all Russian sporting / sponsored teams isn't going to upset the world order, but taking away the playthings of the oligarchs will definitely increase the pressure on Putin - F1 teams, cycling teams, horse racing, football teams etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 1 minute ago, aintforever said: Not sure we have much choice, the threat has clearly changed. Because Russia invaded a non Nato country? Did the threat change when Nato invaded a non Nato country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2022 7 hours ago, trousers said: So that we don't turn into Russia and start banning free speech...? #riseabove He has a point though. Free speech doesn’t extend to putting out propagandist bs of our enemy in a time of war. I don’t know anyone who would take it seriously. Alex L maybe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 1 minute ago, whelk said: He has a point though. Free speech doesn’t extend to putting out propagandist bs of our enemy in a time of war. I don’t know anyone who would take it seriously. Alex L maybe Are we at war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2022 Just now, Weston Super Saint said: Are we at war? Take a day off trying to be smart mate. Actually add Weston to the possible RT viewers. Frantically researching shit about NATO to post his pedantry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 4 minutes ago, whelk said: Take a day off trying to be smart mate. Actually add Weston to the possible RT viewers. Frantically researching shit about NATO to post his pedantry. That'll be a no then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Because Russia invaded a non Nato country? Did the threat change when Nato invaded a non Nato country? The threat has changed because Putin is acting completely irrationally. As Boris says in that video, we have assumed that this sort of war was a thing of the past. To be honest, I didn’t expect to see two developed nations in Europe go to war like this again. I fail to see what Russia could possibly gain from doing this, it just appears that Putin has gone nuts - that’s the really dangerous thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2022 President Zelensky is turning out to be a hero. His quote to Americans offering to evacuate him “I need ammunition, not a ride”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 14 hours ago, buctootim said: While western response has been shameful imo. What has happened to us? Spent 10 years teaching our kids to be offended by words they don’t like and can chose their own genders that’s what’s happened to us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 February, 2022 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2022 21 minutes ago, Turkish said: Spent 10 years teaching our kids to be offended by words they don’t like and can chose their own genders that’s what’s happened to us Not people being obsessed by culture wars then? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Why haven't we seized Abromovich's assets yet? Would love to see Boris in charge of Chelsea, they'd be League 1 in 2 seasons I get the slowly, slowly approach to some of the sanctions being talked about as we have economies throughout the world to protect, but a blanket ban on all Russian sporting / sponsored teams isn't going to upset the world order, but taking away the playthings of the oligarchs will definitely increase the pressure on Putin - F1 teams, cycling teams, horse racing, football teams etc. Boris would concentrate on the womens team and turn them into Wiff Waff champions!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 1 hour ago, spyinthesky said: Boris would concentrate on the womens team and turn them into Wiff Waff champions!! And probably knock up half of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 Ukraine are probably a good bet for Eurovision this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 3 hours ago, whelk said: President Zelensky is turning out to be a hero. His quote to Americans offering to evacuate him “I need ammunition, not a ride”. Completely agree, good communicator, calm under fire and a really good rallying point for his country/people. Wonder how many volunteers he'll get after his call for foreign fighters. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a number from the Baltic countries, Poland, and any of the other countries formerly in the USSR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: You seem to have morphed from Delldays/Batman into a Putin Cyber Bot spreading anti EU/NATO propaganda. Perhaps you have been a Russian Plant all along? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: You seem to have morphed from Delldays/Batman into a Putin Cyber Bot spreading anti EU/NATO propaganda. Perhaps you have been a Russian Plant all along? Brilliant. You wanted this in government Edited 26 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 Then you really haven't been paying much attention! Putin is upset with the former Russian states that gained independence and are trying to move away from the 'Motherland'. Those that tow the line and have sympathetic leaders are fine, those that don't will be 'taught a lesson' by Putin. Regime changes will be forced (or so he thinks) and sympathetic leaders put in place. That's what he has to gain, the same as 2014 when he 'took back' Crimea. He then guarantees security for his gas pipelines into Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Then you really haven't been paying much attention! Putin is upset with the former Russian states that gained independence and are trying to move away from the 'Motherland'. Those that tow the line and have sympathetic leaders are fine, those that don't will be 'taught a lesson' by Putin. Regime changes will be forced (or so he thinks) and sympathetic leaders put in place. That's what he has to gain, the same as 2014 when he 'took back' Crimea. He then guarantees security for his gas pipelines into Europe. They arent former Russian states, at least not in the past 100 years . Too much trading propaganda and not enough history Edited 26 February, 2022 by buctootim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Brilliant. You wanted this in government That is Diane Abbot, not a Labour Government. Thanks for the mention though, I guess it keeps you away from knocking Johnny Foreigner for a while. How do you feel about the Russian money that has been flooding into London under your Tory government for years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 42 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: That is Diane Abbot, not a Labour Government. Thanks for the mention though, I guess it keeps you away from knocking Johnny Foreigner for a while. How do you feel about the Russian money that has been flooding into London under your Tory government for years? Is it not too simplistic to separate Diane Abbot and a Labour Government when you would have supported a Labour Government at a time that would have included Diane Abbot? As someone who has views slightly left of centre, I voted Conservative at the last election due to a ‘better of two evils’ approach that I think a majority (whence the result) followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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