Russia

[whelk]

3 hours ago, egg said:

Yep. This thread is a classic case of a few posters believing the information that they want to believe, and refusing to accept stuff that they don't. 

And on the other side others desperate for Russia to get the upper hand. Sad indeed if they want their ‘told you so’ moment over an evil cunt getting beaten.

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21 minutes ago, whelk said:

And on the other side others desperate for Russia to get the upper hand. Sad indeed if they want their ‘told you so’ moment over an evil cunt getting beaten.

I'm not sure anyone outside Russia or Belarus think that way mate. I just find it surprising that people convince themselves of what they want to believe. If you follow some foreign media outlets, including msm like CNN, or even Al Jazeera (they have no skin in the game in this dispute), you get a more open picture.

I'd love Ukraine to be pushing Russia back and reclaiming their land, but they're struggling. This incursion into Russia could be a masterstroke, or we could see jets and missiles taking loads of Ukrainians and their gear out. Let's see what happens. 

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2 hours ago, skintsaint said:

10% included casualties - which for an offensive of this scale isn't too excessive for Ukraine to not have expected.

True. What we don't want to see is the Ukrainians take a hammering here (and lose more vital gear) and this backfire. 

[badgerx16]

Presumably the Ukrainians understand what they are doing, why they are doing it, and what they hope to acheive.

[Lighthouse]

43 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Presumably the Ukrainians understand what they are doing, why they are doing it, and what they hope to achieve.

Best guess, they’re using their strengths (better equipment, training and mobility) to mount lightning raids into Russian territory, capturing small settlements in the border Oblasts. This will boost morale in Ukraine, showing that they can fight back, as well as causing embarrassment and unrest in Russia. Putin will not be able to project his tough military image whilst part of Russia is under occupation for the first time since 1943 and will be forced to drag units away from where Russia is strongest, I.E. the slow moving, artillery dominated meat grinder in Donbas. He’ll be forced to keep a sizeable number of troops stationed across the length of the border from now on but they’ll be spread too thin to mount a meaningful offensive into Ukraine, with so many resources being tied up in the East.

[Jimmy_D]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Best guess, they’re using their strengths (better equipment, training and mobility) to mount lightning raids into Russian territory, capturing small settlements in the border Oblasts. This will boost morale in Ukraine, showing that they can fight back, as well as causing embarrassment and unrest in Russia. Putin will not be able to project his tough military image whilst part of Russia is under occupation for the first time since 1943 and will be forced to drag units away from where Russia is strongest, I.E. the slow moving, artillery dominated meat grinder in Donbas. He’ll be forced to keep a sizeable number of troops stationed across the length of the border from now on but they’ll be spread too thin to mount a meaningful offensive into Ukraine, with so many resources being tied up in the East.

Another possible aspect is that overnight, this caused all the calls from Russian shills for the conflict to be frozen according to ‘the reality on the ground’ to dry up completely.

Reports seem to suggest Ukraine has met minimal resistance so far, mostly untrained conscripts that have surrendered en masse, which if nothing else should allow Ukraine to exchange to get some PoWs back.

[Lighthouse]

At this point, they should just swap countries and be done with all this nonsense.

[Saint in Paradise]

 

[Gloucester Saint]

Iran, until it can finally shake off the cack hand of the Revolutionary Guard, truly is an armpit of a country. North Korea and Russia are equally grubby bedfellows

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75n2wnkp1vo

[whelk]

Funny these Russian cunts threatening if use long range missiles in Russia that means they are at war with NATO. Yeah a war that you would get hammered ya bald cunt

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

Funny these Russian cunts threatening if use long range missiles in Russia that means they are at war with NATO. Yeah a war that you would get hammered ya bald cunt

It’s all bluster and rhetoric. Rule one when dealing with Russia; do exactly what Putin strongly warns you against. They really don’t have many cards to play here when it comes to NATO, everyone knows they’re bluffing. Politicians are just wary of saying it out loud because it’ll whip up hysteria and panic amongst thick people who think they might actually launch nukes.

[Gloucester Saint]

20 minutes ago, whelk said:

Funny these Russian cunts threatening if use long range missiles in Russia that means they are at war with NATO. Yeah a war that you would get hammered ya bald cunt

Mike Clarke normally on the money. I reckon Putin will end up with the Donbas, which is Russian speaking more or less, and Crimea which is less palatable to Ukraine. I’d let him have Donbas, his minions have destroyed it completely anyway and they can’t afford to rebuild it with their shot away, sanctions-riddled economy. The interference in US politics isn’t working this time either. Xi and Modi would kick his arse also even if he used tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, an arse Xi owns. Get Ukraine into NATO asap, and shore up Georgia and Moldova which Putin is eyeing.

 

Edited Friday at 21:30 by Gloucester Saint

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8 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s all bluster and rhetoric. Rule one when dealing with Russia; do exactly what Putin strongly warns you against. They really don’t have many cards to play here when it comes to NATO, everyone knows they’re bluffing. Politicians are just wary of saying it out loud because it’ll whip up hysteria and panic amongst thick people who think they might actually launch nukes.

The weird thing about Putin's latest sabre rattling was that the public and Putin knew that there was to be a discussion about using Storm Shadows. Keep that stuff quiet. 

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, egg said:

The weird thing about Putin's latest sabre rattling was that the public and Putin knew that there was to be a discussion about using Storm Shadows. Keep that stuff quiet. 

But we know, because Peskov tells us, that every Storm Shadow is destroyed before it can be launched, so they have nothing to worry about.

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4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But we know, because Peskov tells us, that every Storm Shadow is destroyed before it can be launched, so they have nothing to worry about.

Ha!! Still bloody daft leaking that. Keep quiet and make a decision. That way Russia and Ukraine are none the wiser if Biden tells us to pipe down.