Russia

[AlexLaw76]

  On 24/02/2022 at 19:04, hypochondriac said:

I just think that the vast majority of people have been so comfortable and contented for the vast majority or all of their lives (relatively). For a lot of people their existence doesn't extend much beyond who got kicked out of the x factor this week or who Jordan is dating this month. Many of the British public have very little interest in politics, probably don't even know what NATO is and they certainly don't want to risk their entire way of life being removed to go and defend a country they know barely anything about. Lots of people actually really dislike this country and what it stands for. A small of that is actually justified given how we ceded the moral high ground with things like Iraq. There's been a number of books in recent years about how the West has lost confidence in itself and its ideology and thus I'm not sure that there's a majority who believe that the values that our country stands for is worth fighting for. The tiktok generation and social media idiots will not be baying to go and fight some Russians in Lithuania were Russia to start attacking us I am certain and those people comprise a depressingly large number of the population I am afraid. 

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Exactly.

A NATO hating leadership in the UK was a general election away. Some/many on here even championed that possible scenario (and still wish grandpa had won)

[egg]

  On 24/02/2022 at 19:57, kyle04 said:

Poor bugger, driven mad by the loss of his balloons in the storm, looking for someone to blame. I hope he calms down.

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Aye, beyond help now I think. If he'd nailed them down like was suggested it would never have come to this. Poor Whelk. 

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 24/02/2022 at 19:52, egg said:

Rhetoric and troop gathering was inevitable. Hopefully Putin won't have a crack at Lithuania/Estonia/Latvia so we won't need to find out if article 5 gets invoked. That said, I still don't think the West would allow that to lead to WW3, but hopefully the rhetoric etc keeps Putin in check. 

I'll leave the discussion here mate. We undoubtedly want the same outcome, and a back and forth on what may happen if Putin gets even crazier, won't get either of us anywhere 👍

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The alternative to troop gathering and then not adhering to article 5 is to then withdraw all the troops and run away.

I wonder what the Generals will do if they are told to mass their troops on the border and then turn tail and run home, I imagine they'll be over the moon!

[kyle04]

  On 24/02/2022 at 20:01, egg said:

Aye, beyond help now I think. If he'd nailed them down like was suggested it would never have come to this. Poor Whelk. 

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I'm sure it's no comfort to say " I told you so", the cellotape solution was a disaster waiting to happen. If only,  if only....

[Sheaf Saint]

China recognising Russia's "legitimate security concerns" and refusing to agree with the western description of today's actions as an invasion.

And Russian troops have captured Chernobyl (there must have been some of those awful Nazis hiding out inside it).

[bpsaint]

  On 24/02/2022 at 15:50, Lighthouse said:

How often has that gone perfectly to plan? The French resistance, the Korean War, Vietnam, Russia in Afghanistan, USA in Afghanistan, USA in Iraq, the frequent flare ups with ISIS and their affiliates in Syria, Lybia, Iraq, the Israeli situation in Gaza and the West bank...

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Couldn’t help but read this to the tune of ‘We didn’t start the fire’ by Billy Joel.

[badgerx16]

  On 24/02/2022 at 20:38, bpsaint said:

Couldn’t help but read this to the tune of ‘We didn’t start the fire’ by Billy Joel.

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Or "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" by R.E.M.

[Sheaf Saint]

  On 24/02/2022 at 20:55, badgerx16 said:

Or "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" by R.E.M.

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Or even Lemon Jelly's Rambling Man 😂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 24/02/2022 at 19:57, kyle04 said:

Poor bugger, driven mad by the loss of his balloons in the storm, looking for someone to blame. I hope he calms down.

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They were 99 red balloons, and today's events triggered painful memories of them.

  On 24/02/2022 at 19:31, whelk said:

I’ll be long gone having died a glorious death taking out 3 Russian tanks before jumping on a grenade to save a young child who had wandered on to the street

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I shall read a Commando comic in your honour.

[Warriorsaint]

  On 24/02/2022 at 20:00, AlexLaw76 said:

Exactly.

A NATO hating leadership in the UK was a general election away. Some/many on here even championed that possible scenario (and still wish grandpa had won)

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Christ you are an idiot! 

[Disco Stu]

  On 24/02/2022 at 19:33, whelk said:

What is your source that Russia can just take down the internet whenever they choose? Falling for the text book propaganda but keep telling yourself you are the realist. He has got you hook line and sinker

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I remember reading last year that the HMS Northumberland, patrolling the UK's submarine cable network, collided with a Russian submarine. Turns out, over the last 20 years, there's been an alarming increase in Russian submarine and underwater activity around our submarine cables bringing strong suspicion they've been mapping our cable network.

Modern underwater lines carry thousands of miles of optical fibre cables that carry our digital data, including internet services and also act as our predominant source of telecommunications. We absolutely know Russia has the capability to cut these cables. Cutting just one of these would crash our economy.

[CanadaSaint]

A military response isn’t the only possible solution to this. I think it’s more likely that the solution will come from within Russia.

I can see one - or a group - of the oligarchs arranging to take Putin out if the West inflicts enough financial pain on them. This is Putin’s doing, despite the reservations of some (perhaps many) around him. Sure, he made the oligarchs but they’re just like Putin and Trump - vicious, disloyal and very self-centered. They have really nasty people among their staff.

I’d sanction the living shit out of the oligarchs and see what happens.

[AlexLaw76]

  On 24/02/2022 at 23:56, Warriorsaint said:

Christ you are an idiot! 

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Was what I said incorrect?

[AlexLaw76]

  On 25/02/2022 at 01:04, Disco Stu said:

I remember reading last year that the HMS Northumberland, patrolling the UK's submarine cable network, collided with a Russian submarine. Turns out, over the last 20 years, there's been an alarming increase in Russian submarine and underwater activity around our submarine cables bringing strong suspicion they've been mapping our cable network.

Modern underwater lines carry thousands of miles of optical fibre cables that carry our digital data, including internet services and also act as our predominant source of telecommunications. We absolutely know Russia has the capability to cut these cables. Cutting just one of these would crash our economy.

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Edited 25 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 25/02/2022 at 01:04, Disco Stu said:

I remember reading last year that the HMS Northumberland, patrolling the UK's submarine cable network, collided with a Russian submarine. Turns out, over the last 20 years, there's been an alarming increase in Russian submarine and underwater activity around our submarine cables bringing strong suspicion they've been mapping our cable network.

Modern underwater lines carry thousands of miles of optical fibre cables that carry our digital data, including internet services and also act as our predominant source of telecommunications. We absolutely know Russia has the capability to cut these cables. Cutting just one of these would crash our economy.

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Don't think we need to worry too much about their ability to 'hack the innernetz' then if they can't even do a simple Google search to find an already existing map of our undersea cable network 

[aintforever]

  On 25/02/2022 at 07:12, Weston Super Saint said:

Don't think we need to worry too much about their ability to 'hack the innernetz' then if they can't even do a simple Google search to find an already existing map of our undersea cable network 

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To be fair, they would need a much more detailed map than that to locate a cable underwater. Unless that map is to scale and the cables are in fact 300ft wide and bright red.

[AlexLaw76]

  On 25/02/2022 at 07:40, aintforever said:

To be fair, they would need a much more detailed map than that to locate a cable underwater. Unless that map is to scale and the cables are in fact 300ft wide and bright red.

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I suspect they know exactly where much of these cables are laid, and have the means to disrupt them 

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 25/02/2022 at 07:40, aintforever said:

To be fair, they would need a much more detailed map than that to locate a cable underwater. Unless that map is to scale and the cables are in fact 300ft wide and bright red.

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https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Even gives the 'landing' points, which must be much, much easier to find than a cable under the sea....

Not rocket science I guess...

[CB Fry]

I can't believe you people are giving the Russians all this critical info on a plate for them.

[aintforever]

  On 25/02/2022 at 07:46, Weston Super Saint said:

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Even gives the 'landing' points, which must be much, much easier to find than a cable under the sea....

Not rocket science I guess...

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Of course it makes it easier, but it would still make sense to do recon to have the exact gps of where they can cut it out at sea away from the UK. 

[Lighthouse]

The idea of cutting just one cable, which can only be accessed by submarine, to crash our economy is a cool plot for a Bond film but I think there are a few more safeguards than that.

[badgerx16]

Of course, Russia doesn't use the Internet or international communications networks.

[skintsaint]

BBC reports that the UK say Russia has failed with day 1 plans, then Ukraine say Russians are in the capital the very next line.

[John Boy Saint]

  On 25/02/2022 at 08:37, skintsaint said:

BBC reports that the UK say Russia has failed with day 1 plans, then Ukraine say Russians are in the capital the very next line.

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If you were to swap Kyiv for London and Russians were in Hounslow trying take Heathrow the Media would report that as them being in the Capital. 

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 25/02/2022 at 08:35, badgerx16 said:

Of course, Russia doesn't use the Internet or international communications networks.

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They only use super sophisticated satellite ones that the submarines can't reach  

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 25/02/2022 at 01:04, Disco Stu said:

I remember reading last year that the HMS Northumberland, patrolling the UK's submarine cable network, collided with a Russian submarine. Turns out, over the last 20 years, there's been an alarming increase in Russian submarine and underwater activity around our submarine cables bringing strong suspicion they've been mapping our cable network.

Modern underwater lines carry thousands of miles of optical fibre cables that carry our digital data, including internet services and also act as our predominant source of telecommunications. We absolutely know Russia has the capability to cut these cables. Cutting just one of these would crash our economy.

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They’d need to cut a lot more than just one. The internet is derived from a military specification that allows for widespread disruption to signal paths.

A few years ago I was in north west Ireland where I could see a cable laying ship a few miles out. I was told that the fibre optic cable it was laying had the capacity to handle all the transatlantic traffic between Europe and North America.

[buctootim]

  On 25/02/2022 at 08:37, skintsaint said:

BBC reports that the UK say Russia has failed with day 1 plans, then Ukraine say Russians are in the capital the very next line.

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Two different days, two different locations and two different sources though. Ben Wallace was talking about an airbase outside Kyiv not being taken on day 1. The Ukrainians are reporting tanks in north Kyiv on day2.

[aintforever]

  On 25/02/2022 at 08:13, Lighthouse said:

The idea of cutting just one cable, which can only be accessed by submarine, to crash our economy is a cool plot for a Bond film but I think there are a few more safeguards than that.

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Maybe you should let Admiral Sir Tony Radakin know he’s worrying about nothing:

https://news.sky.com/story/russian-submarines-threatening-undersea-network-of-internet-cables-says-uk-defence-chief-sir-tony-radakin-12511437

[Lighthouse]

  On 25/02/2022 at 10:14, aintforever said:

Maybe you should let Admiral Sir Tony Radakin know he’s worrying about nothing:

https://news.sky.com/story/russian-submarines-threatening-undersea-network-of-internet-cables-says-uk-defence-chief-sir-tony-radakin-12511437

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That’s not the same as saying cutting one cable will cripple our economy though and I never said there was, ‘nothing’ to worry about.

[Matthew Le God]

  On 25/02/2022 at 10:14, aintforever said:

Maybe you should let Admiral Sir Tony Radakin know he’s worrying about nothing:

https://news.sky.com/story/russian-submarines-threatening-undersea-network-of-internet-cables-says-uk-defence-chief-sir-tony-radakin-12511437

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That article does not prove it at all. Nowhere in that article does it say the UK economy would collapse if one cable was cut, like was claimed in the earlier tweet.

Edited 25 February, 2022 by Matthew Le God

[Turkish]

Dont worry lads, it's over

[aintforever]

  On 25/02/2022 at 10:33, Lighthouse said:

That’s not the same as saying cutting one cable will cripple our economy though and I never said there was, ‘nothing’ to worry about.

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It doesn’t say how many they need to cut so we just don’t know. Anyway wether they need to cut one or a few the threat is there.

[trousers]

Do the Saintsweb powers-that-be have a contingency plan up their sleeves if the internet goes tits up? We'll all need another outlet to spout our usual bollocks

Edited 25 February, 2022 by trousers

[Lighthouse]

Okay, everyone post your postal address on this thread. If t'internet goes tits up I'll send you all a print out of Tub Girl.

[Matthew Le God]

  On 25/02/2022 at 11:38, trousers said:

Does the Saintsweb powers-that-be have a contingency plan up their sleeves if the internet goes tits up? We'll all need another outlet to spout our usual bollocks

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Pigeon post

[nta786]

  On 25/02/2022 at 11:38, trousers said:

Does the Saintsweb powers-that-be have a contingency plan up their sleeves if the internet goes tits up? We'll all need another outlet to spout our usual bollocks

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"Let's go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over."

[Jimmy_D]

  On 25/02/2022 at 11:45, Matthew Le God said:

Pigeon post

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2549

[trousers]

  On 25/02/2022 at 11:43, Lighthouse said:

Okay, everyone post your postal address on this thread. If t'internet goes tits up I'll send you all a print out of Tub Girl.

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Kentigern Drive , Crowthorne, Berkshire, RG45 7EG

Cheers 👍

[Winnersaint]

  On 25/02/2022 at 12:16, trousers said:

Kentigern Drive , Crowthorne, Berkshire, RG45 7EG

Cheers 👍

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That's the new bit off Foresters Way isn't it?

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 25/02/2022 at 12:16, trousers said:

Kentigern Drive , Crowthorne, Berkshire, RG45 7EG

Cheers 👍

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All of it?

No wonder you're a 'Lord'  

[AlexLaw76]

The EU, (Germany) holding the line 

 

 

 

[Lighthouse]

Surreal media statement of the day.

[Johnny Bognor]

  On 25/02/2022 at 13:08, AlexLaw76 said:

The EU, (Germany) holding the line 

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As far as I remember, the whole point of the EU was to prevent another European war.

As this has clearly failed, should the EU now be disbanded?

[badgerx16]

Try explaining this to your insurance company 

 

" It was like this, a bloody great Russian tank suddenly appeared......"

[Coerezza]

One aim of the EEC  now EU was to prevent war between member states. That's very different to what is happening now

[trousers]

[Colinjb]

  On 25/02/2022 at 14:19, trousers said:

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Either buying time, trying to appear reasonable, or, a feeling of: "oh, these people we are liberating? They all seem to be grabbing rifles........"

[skintsaint]

  On 25/02/2022 at 14:19, trousers said:

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Probably willing to negotiate once they have given up the fight.

[badgerx16]

  On 25/02/2022 at 14:25, skintsaint said:

Probably willing to negotiate once they have given up the fight.

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The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, says that negotiations can start once Ukraine has surrendered and agreed to be "de-militarised".

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[Whitey Grandad]

  On 25/02/2022 at 14:02, Johnny Bognor said:

As far as I remember, the whole point of the EU was to prevent another European war.

As this has clearly failed, should the EU now be disbanded?

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The Ukraine isn't an EU member. I cannot believe that you didn't know that.