Russia

[Jonnyboy]

22 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Putin has a messiah complex, he views himself as restoring the Russian Empire to it's former glory. Vladimir Bukovsky, a Russian dissdent, says that Putin sees the collapse of the Soviet Union as a "Geopolitical catastrophe", ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26769481 ).

To that end, this is merely phase 1;

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-new-ukraine-essay-reflects-imperial-ambitions/

"Putin ends his lengthy treatise by appearing to suggest that Ukrainian statehood itself ultimately depends on Moscow’s consent, declaring, “I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia.”

 

Putin's essay is here;

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

 

https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2022/03/01/putins-dark-designs-restore-pre-1917-russian-empire

And was this essay written before or after NATO declared it's intention to expand into Ukraine and Georgia? By 2021 it was all window dressing anyway, the West knew fully that Ukraine was a  red line for Russia but crossed it anyway.

[Jimmy_D]

3 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said:

And was this essay written before or after NATO declared it's intention to expand into Ukraine and Georgia? By 2021 it was all window dressing anyway, the West knew fully that Ukraine was a  red line for Russia but crossed it anyway.

Regardless of the fact that it was not, is not, and will never be up to Russia to dictate which treaties a sovereign country can or cannot join, care to find any source at all for NATO intending to expand to Ukraine before the invasion?

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Regardless of the fact that it was not, is not, and will never be up to Russia to dictate which treaties a sovereign country can or cannot join, care to find any source at all for NATO intending to expand to Ukraine before the invasion?

There isn't one. He just makes shit up.

[Jonnyboy]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Regardless of the fact that it was not, is not, and will never be up to Russia to dictate which treaties a sovereign country can or cannot join, care to find any source at all for NATO intending to expand to Ukraine before the invasion?

Move on, the decision has been made, your obsession with making the whole world join NATO at the barrel of a gun has caused enough death.

And I thought it well known from the Munich security conference 2008 as.the third tranche of NATO "invitations?"

Anyway, I'm going to read some more posts from this thread in 2022. There's some real gold back there.

 

 

[Jimmy_D]

Just now, Jonnyboy said:

Move on, the decision has been made, your obsession with making the whole world join NATO at the barrel of a gun has caused enough death.

And I thought it well known from the Munich security conference 2008 as.the third tranche of NATO "invitations?"

Anyway, I'm going to read some more posts from this thread in 2022. There's some real gold back there.

 

 

You’re not very good at this whole trolling thing.

[whelk]

7 hours ago, Jonnyboy said:

Anyway, I'm going to read some more posts from this thread in 2022

Thought about getting a hobby, playing sport, exercising, getting a girlfriend? Or even revising for those A levels?

[egg]

7 hours ago, Jimmy_D said:

Regardless of the fact that it was not, is not, and will never be up to Russia to dictate which treaties a sovereign country can or cannot join, care to find any source at all for NATO intending to expand to Ukraine before the invasion?

Whilst that's correct to an extent, I think we all know that Ukraine had very little chance of joining NATO post Crimea. Russia's actions effectively dictated that was not going to happen. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Whilst that's correct to an extent, I think we all know that Ukraine had very little chance of joining NATO post Crimea. Russia's actions effectively dictated that was not going to happen. 

I believe that a country cannot be considered for NATO if there is an unresolved conflict going on.

[Gloucester Saint]

Russia’s biggest issue is domestic inflation caused by Putin’s loopy war. They have been laying mercenaries and others crazy sums to fight in Ukraine with the result that Russian employers have had to keep pace on pay settlements. 

Putin isn’t keen to stop the war because it’ll all unravel the moment he does and the next act will be him falling from a balcony on a Moscow skyscraper once the economic harm becomes clear, allied to Western sanctions.

[aintforever]

13 hours ago, Jonnyboy said:

 the West knew fully that Ukraine was a  red line for Russia but crossed it anyway.

What, by not letting them join?

[sadoldgit]

Putin loves to use NATO, a defensive organisation, as a boogie man to justify his actions. He already has NATO on other borders without any threat to him in the past and none now, even though he has invaded a sovereign country. Why wouldn’t other countries on his borders would not want NATO protection give Putin’s actions in the past?

[Jonnyboy]

On 03/12/2024 at 07:47, egg said:

Whilst that's correct to an extent, I think we all know that Ukraine had very little chance of joining NATO post Crimea. Russia's actions effectively dictated that was not going to happen. 

And it isn't really our place to bloviate about morality of international relations with our history, and especially with the ongoing genocide in Palestine for which NATO has effectively supplied an unlimited supply of missiles and bombs to kill tens of thousands. Western hypocrisy at its most sickening.

[Jonnyboy]

On 03/12/2024 at 12:47, aintforever said:

What, by not letting them join?

Just dangling the carrot for decades. That's gone so well 🙄

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said:

Just dangling the carrot for decades. That's gone so well 🙄

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

Yet Ukraine is desperate to join NATO, and NATO is saying no, not anytime soon.

Great carrot.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Jonnyboy said:

And it isn't really our place to bloviate about morality of international relations with our history, and especially with the ongoing genocide in Palestine for which NATO has effectively supplied an unlimited supply of missiles and bombs to kill tens of thousands. Western hypocrisy at its most sickening.

NATO or individual allies of Israel?

[Lighthouse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gx6p347dgt
 

Day 950 of three day special military operation, Syria has been conquered by rebel militia, senior general assassinated within farting distance of the Kremlin.

[whelk]

30 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gx6p347dgt
 

Day 950 of three day special military operation, Syria has been conquered by rebel militia, senior general assassinated within farting distance of the Kremlin.

Watch out Norfolk, you’re next to be conquered by the unstoppable Russian bear

[badgerx16]

In his end of year diatribe, Putler said that the roads in occupied areas of Ukraine are being upgraded to "Russian standards". Surely the shelling that has wrecked them has already acheived this.

[Lighthouse]

Another passenger airliner heroically shot down.

[benjii]

On the subject of heroism, posthumous awards due to the pilots and crew who, despite being shot, having their GPS jammed and refused an emergency landing by those Russian cunts, managed to fly over the sea and save half the passengers.