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Posted
13 hours ago, Jimmy_D said:

Not sure why you’d think that.

The point is that the strength or otherwise of the rouble won't make a blind bit of difference to what's happening on the ground. How do you see it as relevant? 

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7 minutes ago, egg said:

The point is that the strength or otherwise of the rouble won't make a blind bit of difference to what's happening on the ground. How do you see it as relevant? 

Where do you think the term ‘war chest’ comes from? Every war in history has been waged based on each side’s ability to pay for it according to the economy of the time.

Russia have been absolutely torching their economy to pay for this war, and despite what they would like everyone to believe, their resources aren’t bottomless.

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4 hours ago, egg said:

The point is that the strength or otherwise of the rouble won't make a blind bit of difference to what's happening on the ground. How do you see it as relevant? 

Of course it’s relevant. Wars need to be paid for and surely there is a limit to the price Russia is willing to pay for some land in Ukraine.

From what I’ve read many in the West think what Russia is doing is not sustainable in the medium-long term, that’s probably why weapons have been drip fed through.

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5 hours ago, Jimmy_D said:

Where do you think the term ‘war chest’ comes from? Every war in history has been waged based on each side’s ability to pay for it according to the economy of the time.

Russia have been absolutely torching their economy to pay for this war, and despite what they would like everyone to believe, their resources aren’t bottomless.

Of course wars have to be funded, but russia are a largely self sufficient communist state, they're not buying weapons in at inflated costs like we have to. They also have oil and gas as currency as currency, and in reality, the restrictions aren't a restriction.

You've had this belief throughout that they can't carry on, are running out of weapons, men, etc. I know you want that to be true, but it's just not the case - they've fired more missiles at Ukraine since this began than the collective European NATO countries have in their arsenal. They've developed hypersonic missiles - we're having a think about that, and may get around to it by 2030. They've launched an intermediate missile this week that the NATO states probably couldn't take out of the sky.

A drop in the rouble will not halt this. Have a look how the rouble is doing against the currency of Russian trading partners, in reality it's not doing much if any worse than the pound has against the dollar over the last 3 months. 

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14 minutes ago, egg said:

Of course wars have to be funded, but russia are a largely self sufficient communist state, they're not buying weapons in at inflated costs like we have to. They also have oil and gas as currency as currency, and in reality, the restrictions aren't a restriction.

You've had this belief throughout that they can't carry on, are running out of weapons, men, etc. I know you want that to be true, but it's just not the case - they've fired more missiles at Ukraine since this began than the collective European NATO countries have in their arsenal. They've developed hypersonic missiles - we're having a think about that, and may get around to it by 2030. They've launched an intermediate missile this week that the NATO states probably couldn't take out of the sky.

A drop in the rouble will not halt this. Have a look how the rouble is doing against the currency of Russian trading partners, in reality it's not doing much if any worse than the pound has against the dollar over the last 3 months. 

What on Earth...

Posted
24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

What on Earth...

What on earth makes you disagree that Russia are probably the most self sufficient country on earth? Regardless, a drop in the Rouble will not stop their war machine. 

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2 minutes ago, egg said:

What on earth makes you disagree that Russia are probably the most self sufficient country on earth? Regardless, a drop in the Rouble will not stop their war machine. 

'Communist.'

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1 hour ago, egg said:

Of course wars have to be funded, but russia are a largely self sufficient communist state, they're not buying weapons in at inflated costs like we have to. They also have oil and gas as currency as currency, and in reality, the restrictions aren't a restriction.

You've had this belief throughout that they can't carry on, are running out of weapons, men, etc. I know you want that to be true, but it's just not the case - they've fired more missiles at Ukraine since this began than the collective European NATO countries have in their arsenal. They've developed hypersonic missiles - we're having a think about that, and may get around to it by 2030. They've launched an intermediate missile this week that the NATO states probably couldn't take out of the sky.

A drop in the rouble will not halt this. Have a look how the rouble is doing against the currency of Russian trading partners, in reality it's not doing much if any worse than the pound has against the dollar over the last 3 months. 

Plummeting currency value combined with incredibly high inflation and interest rates, as well as withdrawal restrictions banks are imposing, would suggest they’re not self sufficient at all. Food prices in Russia are going up and that’s only accelerating.

The state of the road network and the size of Russia means they’re massively reliant on the rail network, but railway maintenance is one of the things that’s suffered most under sanctions and Russia’s war economy. Take a look at the volume of rail cargo year-on-year in Russia, that’s just one of the symptoms of Russia’s economy degrading, and that degradation having very real effects.

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2 hours ago, egg said:

Of course wars have to be funded, but russia are a largely self sufficient communist state,

That's the most bizarre statement I've read here for ages - against stiff competition. You know its not 1967 anymore right?  

Posted
1 hour ago, Jimmy_D said:

Plummeting currency value combined with incredibly high inflation and interest rates, as well as withdrawal restrictions banks are imposing, would suggest they’re not self sufficient at all. Food prices in Russia are going up and that’s only accelerating.

The state of the road network and the size of Russia means they’re massively reliant on the rail network, but railway maintenance is one of the things that’s suffered most under sanctions and Russia’s war economy. Take a look at the volume of rail cargo year-on-year in Russia, that’s just one of the symptoms of Russia’s economy degrading, and that degradation having very real effects.

You've gone off at a massive tangent and miss the point completely. Russia have, despite all your predictions, maintained their war effort and expanded their arsenal. They've had more power at their disposal than Ukraine despite aid from NATO. Do you genuinely believe that a dip in the rouble will blunt them? Really? 

Posted
18 minutes ago, egg said:

You've gone off at a massive tangent and miss the point completely. Russia have, despite all your predictions, maintained their war effort and expanded their arsenal. They've had more power at their disposal than Ukraine despite aid from NATO. Do you genuinely believe that a dip in the rouble will blunt them? Really? 

So you’re claiming that Russia’s capabilities haven’t been degraded at all since the start of the war then?

Also care to point at any predictions in particular? Go on, go and find a quote.

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On 25/10/2023 at 14:29, Jimmy_D said:

It’s Russia that needs to consider what their end game is. All the time they continue staying in Ukraine, things are getting worse for them.

The only option Russia have that will actually improve things for them is conceding.

Here you go jimmy. 

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9 hours ago, Jimmy_D said:

So you’re claiming that Russia’s capabilities haven’t been degraded at all since the start of the war then?

Also care to point at any predictions in particular? Go on, go and find a quote.

I couldn't give a monkeys whether Russia's train service has got a bit worse, or their currency is a bit weaker, and back to the actual point of this discussion - I doubt families in Ukraine are concerned about that. They face a "degraded" Russia hitting their energy network with 200+ drones and missiles in one day, and then firing over a new missile which lands seconds after launch, can detonate multiple times, and can't be shot down.  

The Rouble suffering a bit is neither here nor there in terms of the war. Against the main Russian trading partners over the last year or so since October 23, the Rouble has gained against the Brazilian and Turkish currency, and is at about at about the same level against the Indian, Chinese, NK and Iranian currencies. 

Your point seemed to be that the Rouble's performance is somehow relevant to the war effort. It won't hurt it one bit, and despite you seemingly disagreeing, they are incredibly self sufficient - they have all the food, energy, and raw materials they need. They also have a hell of a lot that the rest of the world need, and you'll appreciate that a weakened Rouble against the west would only drive demand. 

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5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Here you go jimmy. 

Oh yeah. Russia’s in a far better state now than it was over a year ago. Staying in Ukraine hasn’t cost them anything.

3 hours ago, egg said:

I couldn't give a monkeys whether Russia's train service has got a bit worse, or their currency is a bit weaker, and back to the actual point of this discussion - I doubt families in Ukraine are concerned about that. They face a "degraded" Russia hitting their energy network with 200+ drones and missiles in one day, and then firing over a new missile which lands seconds after launch, can detonate multiple times, and can't be shot down.  

The Rouble suffering a bit is neither here nor there in terms of the war. Against the main Russian trading partners over the last year or so since October 23, the Rouble has gained against the Brazilian and Turkish currency, and is at about at about the same level against the Indian, Chinese, NK and Iranian currencies. 

Your point seemed to be that the Rouble's performance is somehow relevant to the war effort. It won't hurt it one bit, and despite you seemingly disagreeing, they are incredibly self sufficient - they have all the food, energy, and raw materials they need. They also have a hell of a lot that the rest of the world need, and you'll appreciate that a weakened Rouble against the west would only drive demand. 

So you don’t think that Russia’s economy is getting far worse, and think that that isn’t already having an effect on their ability to wage war then?

Russia’s train service hasn’t just got a ‘bit’ worse, it’s catastrophically worse than it was at the start of the war. You might not care, but it’s far more than a ‘service’, it’s an absolutely vital part of logistics in Russia. The point being that it demonstrates clearly that Russia isn’t getting everything it needs if something so vital to them is in such a poor state. It’d be one of the first priorities to fix and improve if Russia were capable of it, and demonstrates that the state of the rouble is already having very real effects.

Russia hit Ukraine with a missile that they can only have in extremely limited quantities, so far has a launch success rate of 50%, and that they were so nervous of triggering an international response with that they notified the USA in advance before launching it. It’s not worth much to them militarily beyond a headline compared to what they’ve already been hitting Ukraine with, and seems to have had the opposite effect to what they were hoping for in terms of Europe reaffirming their backing of Ukraine since it was used.

Ukraine‘s people certainly aren’t willing to give up, which isn’t surprising considering they’re fighting to stop a country that wants them to no longer exist. That’s been using terror, torture, murder and rape as tools to commit genocide.

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1 minute ago, Jimmy_D said:

Oh yeah. Russia’s in a far better state now than it was over a year ago. Staying in Ukraine hasn’t cost them anything.

So you don’t think that Russia’s economy is getting far worse, and think that that isn’t already having an effect on their ability to wage war then?

Russia’s train service hasn’t just got a ‘bit’ worse, it’s catastrophically worse than it was at the start of the war. You might not care, but it’s far more than a ‘service’, it’s an absolutely vital part of logistics in Russia. The point being that it demonstrates clearly that Russia isn’t getting everything it needs if something so vital to them is in such a poor state. It’d be one of the first priorities to fix and improve if Russia were capable of it, and demonstrates that the state of the rouble is already having very real effects.

Russia hit Ukraine with a missile that they can only have in extremely limited quantities, so far has a launch success rate of 50%, and that they were so nervous of triggering an international response with that they notified the USA in advance before launching it. It’s not worth much to them militarily beyond a headline compared to what they’ve already been hitting Ukraine with, and seems to have had the opposite effect to what they were hoping for in terms of Europe reaffirming their backing of Ukraine since it was used.

Ukraine‘s people certainly aren’t willing to give up, which isn’t surprising considering they’re fighting to stop a country that wants them to no longer exist. That’s been using terror, torture, murder and rape as tools to commit genocide.

You are moving away from your point. I have said nothing whatsoever about Russia"s wider economy, and this is a war thread, not a thread about Russia's domestic economy.

You posted about the recent performance of the Rouble, on a war thread, thus implying that the Rouble's recent performance impacts their war effort. That is despite the fact that the Rouble is pretty much where it was in October 23 against Russia's main trading partners, up against other trading partners, and with you seemingly not appreciating that a weaker Rouble helps Russian exports. 

The Rouble will not make a difference in this war. 

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45 minutes ago, egg said:

You are moving away from your point. I have said nothing whatsoever about Russia"s wider economy, and this is a war thread, not a thread about Russia's domestic economy.

You posted about the recent performance of the Rouble, on a war thread, thus implying that the Rouble's recent performance impacts their war effort. That is despite the fact that the Rouble is pretty much where it was in October 23 against Russia's main trading partners, up against other trading partners, and with you seemingly not appreciating that a weaker Rouble helps Russian exports. 

The Rouble will not make a difference in this war. 

It would probably be a sign on how their economy is doing tho. This is what some guy (who appears to know a bit about Russia’s economy(I know)) posted on Reddit a while ago when asked about the economy, and it ties in with other things I have read.

 

“No one knows because Russia hasn't been reporting real numbers for a while now. What's clear is that some segments are ruined (like the Gazprom which is near bankrupcy - China f-ed them over with not willing to invest into trans-siberian pipeline and they don't have LPG infrastructure so gas trade is mostly gone) and government is wasting gold and foreign currency reserves and most income from oil into war effort.

We'll see how much longer can it last - they're still pumping oil and that's a lifeline. They're also exporting grain, coal, etc. Sanctions on enriched Uranium are still few years away but things like that are being tightened. Air transport & travel is slowly going to shit and indirect effects of lack of infrastructure investment are starting to show. 

Their weapons exports are gone and customers are turning to the west - France pushed them off the 2nd spot year ago and by now they might not be in top 5 or even 10 anymore. 

Long term I think situation is even more dire - the opportunity loss will be huge as, unlike China, they don't really have any high tech industry and aren't investing into it. They'll increasingly depend on oil and resource exports and that can easily slip into not being profitable for various reasons (i.e. see Venezuela, but also hopefully oil becomes less costly as world slowly switches to EVs). 

I think nuclear deterrent will be a weight around their necks as it requires maintenance and upgrades to subs and ICBMs and airforce, and that ain't getting any cheaper.

And then there's demographics - fertility rate is 1.5 which is worse than most of the west, but unlike the west, Russia won't be able to make it up with immigration as it's becoming a bigger shithole than it's poorer neighbours. 

So... Short term - who knows, watch the ruble. Long term - they're pretty much f-ed if they swiftly don't get out of Ukraine.”

 

 

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The ISW seem to think  there is signs Putin is worried about the state of the economy:

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-14-2024
 

“The Russian DIB is unlikely to match the production rate necessary to replace Russian weapons losses under these monetary policies. Foreign Policy (FP), citing OSINT analysts, reported that Russia has been losing around 320 tank and artillery cannon barrels per month but can only produce 20 per month.[10] FP reported that Russia will likely run out of cannon barrels in 2025 due to battlefield losses, dwindling Soviet stocks, and sanctions impacts. FP also cited OSINT estimates that Russian forces have lost at least 4,955 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) since February 2022 — about 155 IFVs per month. FP reported that Russia can only produce about 17 IFVs monthly or 200 annually. FP assessed that the Central Bank's policy of raising interest rates has made it difficult for nondefense companies to raise capital through loans, which is shrinking the civilian economy and may lead to significant post-war recession as returning Russian veterans will have a harder time finding employment.”
 

They obviously won’t run out of weapons or manpower but for a county with a GDP less than Italy there has got to be a point where what they are doing becomes unsustainable, or at least unpalatable to enough people willing to throw Putin out of a window. The big question I guess is how long Ukraine can keep up what they are doing (think manpower is their biggest issue at the moment) and how willing the West is to keep funding it.

Posted
7 hours ago, aintforever said:

The ISW seem to think  there is signs Putin is worried about the state of the economy:

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-14-2024
 

“The Russian DIB is unlikely to match the production rate necessary to replace Russian weapons losses under these monetary policies. Foreign Policy (FP), citing OSINT analysts, reported that Russia has been losing around 320 tank and artillery cannon barrels per month but can only produce 20 per month.[10] FP reported that Russia will likely run out of cannon barrels in 2025 due to battlefield losses, dwindling Soviet stocks, and sanctions impacts. FP also cited OSINT estimates that Russian forces have lost at least 4,955 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) since February 2022 — about 155 IFVs per month. FP reported that Russia can only produce about 17 IFVs monthly or 200 annually. FP assessed that the Central Bank's policy of raising interest rates has made it difficult for nondefense companies to raise capital through loans, which is shrinking the civilian economy and may lead to significant post-war recession as returning Russian veterans will have a harder time finding employment.”
 

They obviously won’t run out of weapons or manpower but for a county with a GDP less than Italy there has got to be a point where what they are doing becomes unsustainable, or at least unpalatable to enough people willing to throw Putin out of a window. The big question I guess is how long Ukraine can keep up what they are doing (think manpower is their biggest issue at the moment) and how willing the West is to keep funding it.

Those production figures are even worse than they seem, as they include reporting refurbishing and upgrading Soviet era equipment as equipment produced (hence the mention of dwindling Soviet stocks of equipment.)

It won’t be lost on Putin that the conditions of high military spending and a collapsing economy are very similar to those that led to the collapse of the USSR.

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51 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Those production figures are even worse than they seem, as they include reporting refurbishing and upgrading Soviet era equipment as equipment produced (hence the mention of dwindling Soviet stocks of equipment.)

It won’t be lost on Putin that the conditions of high military spending and a collapsing economy are very similar to those that led to the collapse of the USSR.

TBH I think it might be. He has Hitler like delusions of grandeur, conquest and a glorious empire that have clouded his judgement. He most likely views Gorbachev’s Glasnost as something of a betrayal of the glory days of the Soviet Union and wants the 1970s back again.

Even if Ukrainian resistance collapses and six months from now North Korean troops are drinking the bars of Uzhorod dry, he’ll still be faced with massive international sanctions and the sizeable cost of occupying an enormous country of 40 million hostile inhabitants. Then it’s just a matter of time before the next powder keg catches light.

Posted
2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

No one on here condemning Biden/Harris for escalating things with their use of ICBM's? Imagine the uproar if Trump had lobbed a few over.

What are you dribbling on about?

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2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

No one on here condemning Biden/Harris for escalating things with their use of ICBM's? Imagine the uproar if Trump had lobbed a few over.

To call you delusional would be an insult to the deluded.

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9 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

No one on here condemning Biden/Harris for escalating things with their use of ICBM's? Imagine the uproar if Trump had lobbed a few over.

Why would they if Trump did? Would relax fears about NATO and one in the eye for a vile dictator like Putin who has killed and imprisoned thousands of his own citizens, probably tens of thousands. I’d praise him for it. Rumours as it is that his camp are getting fed up with Putin’s delusions about Russia bringing a full size USSR back. 

It’s the isolationist wing of the GOP who would cry foul. 

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On 27/11/2024 at 19:30, aintforever said:

What are you dribbling on about?

You know full well, but you have no reply as you are cornered.

 

On 27/11/2024 at 19:49, badgerx16 said:

To call you delusional would be an insult to the deluded.

And another one outted. You guys all say Trump is the war monger, yet when Biden unnecessarily escalates things, you are all in support. The double standards of you lonny lefties is amazing.

 

On 28/11/2024 at 02:14, Gloucester Saint said:

Why would they if Trump did? Would relax fears about NATO and one in the eye for a vile dictator like Putin who has killed and imprisoned thousands of his own citizens, probably tens of thousands. I’d praise him for it. Rumours as it is that his camp are getting fed up with Putin’s delusions about Russia bringing a full size USSR back. 

It’s the isolationist wing of the GOP who would cry foul. 

Without any doubt at all, if Trump had done this, SOG and co would be up in arms about him being irresponsible. Now Biden does it you all look for a way to justify it. Just such childish ways. Face facts.

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Nic, the posts above that mockingly quoted you were laughing at your assertion that Biden had permitted the use of ICBMs by Ukraine. This is blatant misinformation, and I have no idea where you picked it up from. Not even Putin would try to use ICBMs, which by definition are INTERCONTINENTAL, as it would automatically trigger US defence systems, regardless of where they were aimed.

What Biden has permitted is the use of long range artillery systems, such as ATACMS, fired from Ukraine at targets in Russia. These systems have a maximum range of, at best, a couple of hundred miles, and are being used against Russian C and C centres, ammunition storage, and airfields This may be seen as escalatory, but Russia has been blitzing Ukraine for nearly 4 years with weapons fired from positions that up to now have been safe from Ukrainian retaliation, meaning Ukraine has been fighting with one hand tied behind it's back.

Do you believe that Ukraine has the right to defend itself against blatant aggression and terrorism, or not ? Do you believe that Putin is justified in his attempts to destroy civilian power and heating infrastructure as winter approaches ? Do you think that the concentration camp conditions under which Ukrainian POWs are being held are acceptable ?

Or should Ukraine have simply rolled over and let Russia occupy it's territory and oppress it's people ?

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7 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

You know full well, but you have no reply as you are cornered.

 

And another one outted. You guys all say Trump is the war monger, yet when Biden unnecessarily escalates things, you are all in support. The double standards of you lonny lefties is amazing.

 

Without any doubt at all, if Trump had done this, SOG and co would be up in arms about him being irresponsible. Now Biden does it you all look for a way to justify it. Just such childish ways. Face facts.

What on earth are you talking about and who has said that Trump is a war monger. If anything he is a total bottle job and looks likely to let Putin have what he wants rather than to stand up to him. Ukraine have been fighting under the restrictions that Putin doesn’t have. They now have the capability of defending themselves on a more equal footing. Why would you or we have an issue with that?

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53 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

More grief for the civilian population of Aleppo.

Indeed, very sad. Why now for the rebels to be armed and encouraged? It will potentially divert Russian resources. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed, very sad. Why now for the rebels to be armed and encouraged? It will potentially divert Russian resources. 

Aren't some of the rebels Islamic state? Sounds like there's scum on both sides and rather like with the Arab spring that people were cheering this could just end up making the region worse and more chaotic. 

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I would imagine that with Russia’s military being largely tied up elsewhere the rebels are trying their luck against Assad’s forces. Neither side seems like a particularly pleasant group of people, if we’re being honest.

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6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I would imagine that with Russia’s military being largely tied up elsewhere the rebels are trying their luck against Assad’s forces. Neither side seems like a particularly pleasant group of people, if we’re being honest.

We agree! The issue for me is the timing and motivation. Syria was a proxy war to a large extent, and these rebels don't get their gear from eBay. 

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14 minutes ago, egg said:

We agree! The issue for me is the timing and motivation. Syria was a proxy war to a large extent, and these rebels don't get their gear from eBay. 

I expect there are plenty of Sunni backers. I guess they are probably exploiting the position Hezbollah are in and the lack of support from Russia for Assad. The whole region is a fucking mess.

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2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I would imagine that with Russia’s military being largely tied up elsewhere the rebels are trying their luck against Assad’s forces. Neither side seems like a particularly pleasant group of people, if we’re being honest.

I read that more because Hezbollah have been neutralised so can no longer keep them in check. Assad is evil, so are these Islamic fundamentalists rebels

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2 hours ago, egg said:

Everything he's saying is pretty much conceding that land will be ceded. The issue is how much, and what military support Ukraine are assured to ensure they keep the what they're left with. 

Yes, it doesn’t seem like he has a cats chance in hell of getting the land back but Putin is unlikely to agree to any kind of NATO membership either. How Zelensky can get a security guarantee without NATO membership, who knows?

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18 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

What on earth are you talking about and who has said that Trump is a war monger. If anything he is a total bottle job and looks likely to let Putin have what he wants rather than to stand up to him. Ukraine have been fighting under the restrictions that Putin doesn’t have. They now have the capability of defending themselves on a more equal footing. Why would you or we have an issue with that?

At least have the guts to stand by your own opinions and then not deny them some years later. Jeez, what a coward.

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3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

At least have the guts to stand by your own opinions and then not deny them some years later. Jeez, what a coward.

What are you talking about? What are these opinions that I am denying from some years ago? You have only been here since last year so how would you know?

Another conspiracy? 🤔

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1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

What are you talking about? What are these opinions that I am denying from some years ago? You have only been here since last year so how would you know?

Another conspiracy? 🤔

What an odd statement, even for you.

Does that mean there is no way on earth he could have possibly read anything from before that time on this thread?  The thread started in 2022, so you may well have posted opinions 'years ago' that you are now denying.

It wouldn't be the first time you've flip flopped.

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33 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

What an odd statement, even for you.

Does that mean there is no way on earth he could have possibly read anything from before that time on this thread?  The thread started in 2022, so you may well have posted opinions 'years ago' that you are now denying.

It wouldn't be the first time you've flip flopped.

Desperate stuff. Nic is an inattentive idiot. Trying to call SOG out as if he has changed his opinion on Trump is laughable, but that is same for most of Nic’s posts

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1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

What an odd statement, even for you.

Does that mean there is no way on earth he could have possibly read anything from before that time on this thread?  The thread started in 2022, so you may well have posted opinions 'years ago' that you are now denying.

It wouldn't be the first time you've flip flopped.

Hello again Trigger. Taken some time out from stalking the farmer?

Strange behaviour would be going back and reading very old posts when you join a forum just so you might be able to use them against someone sometime. Perhaps you do that? It wouldn’t surprise me.

But as it’s a crap day and the dog has given up on her walk, I will indulge you.

Exactly how many wars did Trump start when he was last in office? I don’t think it was an awful lot was it? Why then would I call him a warmonger? Talking of flip flopping, no one, properly not even Trump himself, knew what he was going to do from day to day. You can be a threat to world peace without being a warmonger. If I said that he was mad enough to press the red button, that is different from saying that he would actively go out and seek conflicts with other countries.

Anyway, I think that it is sweet of you to go in to bat for nic. Birds of a feather and all that. Of you pop and go and find loads of old posts to prove him right.

P.S. Joe Biden was the president when this thread started.


 

 

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37 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Strange behaviour would be going back and reading very old posts when you join a forum just so you might be able to use them against someone sometime. Perhaps you do that? It wouldn’t surprise me.

 


 

 

Strange behaviour to read a thread from page 1?  Really?

I know your M.O is to jump in feet first and get the wrong end of most sticks, but not everyone is like you.  Luckily.

 

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19 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Strange behaviour to read a thread from page 1?  Really?

I know your M.O is to jump in feet first and get the wrong end of most sticks, but not everyone is like you.  Luckily.

 

And not everyone is like you and reads every single thread they contribute to from the first page. Still, you shouldn’t be wasting time, you need to go back to page 1 and find the dozens of posts I have made calling Trump a warmonger. There are 114 pages so it could take a while.

Oh, and talking about getting the wrong end of the stick, you do know that you replied to a post from Farmer Saint on another thread as if it was from me? 🤣

 

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How are you getting on with reading the old posts? Apparently there are 5.7k posts so I’m guessing it will take a few days.

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On 23/11/2024 at 19:21, Jimmy_D said:

Plummeting currency value combined with incredibly high inflation and interest rates, as well as withdrawal restrictions banks are imposing, would suggest they’re not self sufficient at all. Food prices in Russia are going up and that’s only accelerating.

The state of the road network and the size of Russia means they’re massively reliant on the rail network, but railway maintenance is one of the things that’s suffered most under sanctions and Russia’s war economy. Take a look at the volume of rail cargo year-on-year in Russia, that’s just one of the symptoms of Russia’s economy degrading, and that degradation having very real effects.

Yes and they're still using the chips from stolen washing machines in their military factories and the soldiers on the front lines are fighting with shovels because they've run out of bullets 😅

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On 30/11/2024 at 09:25, badgerx16 said:

Nic, the posts above that mockingly quoted you were laughing at your assertion that Biden had permitted the use of ICBMs by Ukraine. This is blatant misinformation, and I have no idea where you picked it up from. Not even Putin would try to use ICBMs, which by definition are INTERCONTINENTAL, as it would automatically trigger US defence systems, regardless of where they were aimed.

What Biden has permitted is the use of long range artillery systems, such as ATACMS, fired from Ukraine at targets in Russia. These systems have a maximum range of, at best, a couple of hundred miles, and are being used against Russian C and C centres, ammunition storage, and airfields This may be seen as escalatory, but Russia has been blitzing Ukraine for nearly 4 years with weapons fired from positions that up to now have been safe from Ukrainian retaliation, meaning Ukraine has been fighting with one hand tied behind it's back.

Do you believe that Ukraine has the right to defend itself against blatant aggression and terrorism, or not ? Do you believe that Putin is justified in his attempts to destroy civilian power and heating infrastructure as winter approaches ? Do you think that the concentration camp conditions under which Ukrainian POWs are being held are acceptable ?

Or should Ukraine have simply rolled over and let Russia occupy it's territory and oppress it's people ?

Putin has never wanted to "occupy Ukraine and oppress it's people."

Russia wanted neutrality and said it repeatedly since at least 2008. A simple commitment to not joining NATO and none of this needed to happen.

Edit.- for all the lollers, I think the phrase is - cope!

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20 hours ago, Jonnyboy said:

Putin has never wanted to "occupy Ukraine and oppress it's people."

Russia wanted neutrality and said it repeatedly since at least 2008. A simple commitment to not joining NATO and none of this needed to happen.

Putin has a messiah complex, he views himself as restoring the Russian Empire to it's former glory. Vladimir Bukovsky, a Russian dissdent, says that Putin sees the collapse of the Soviet Union as a "Geopolitical catastrophe", ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26769481 ).

To that end, this is merely phase 1;

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-new-ukraine-essay-reflects-imperial-ambitions/

"Putin ends his lengthy treatise by appearing to suggest that Ukrainian statehood itself ultimately depends on Moscow’s consent, declaring, “I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia.”

 

Putin's essay is here;

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

 

https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2022/03/01/putins-dark-designs-restore-pre-1917-russian-empire

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