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Referendum on Moscow to officially become territory of Wales  

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kyle04

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Sounds entirely credible, shame Russia no longer have Twitter. It seems quite clear from many first hand testimonies that the rank and file either weren't told what they were about to do, or told it would be an anti-Nazi crusade largely welcomed by the Ukrainian population. The soldier in the video does seem to be the name-rank-serial number type, but his shame and embarrassment at his country's actions will hopefully be shared by many Russian servicemen. If NATO are serious about stopping this, they need to send the Ukrainians aircraft. I get the no-fly-zone apprehensions , probably the correct move right now. A few dozen re-badged MiG 29's might make a difference, although with regard to Trump's cunning plan of sticking a Chinese flag on F-16's, I'm surprised he didn't go further and add something like ".. and get this, we'll only use Chinesey looking pilots in case some have to bail out and are captured".

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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  On 06/03/2022 at 11:44, manji said:

I loathed the Ukrainian virtue signaling. I’m not going to get into an argument about it other than to say it’s far more complicated a situation than most lightweights make it out to be. Maybe we all should have Yemeni flags for the Newcastle match. 

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Premier league matches are shown all over the world and demonstrations of support for UKRAINE in its moment of need sends an important message of unity in opposition to what Russia is doing to an innocent peaceful country.

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manji

manji

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  On 06/03/2022 at 20:12, Charlie Wayman said:

Premier league matches are shown all over the world and demonstrations of support for UKRAINE in its moment of need sends an important message of unity in opposition to what Russia is doing to an innocent peaceful country.

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Only European army that is led by a Neo- Nazi battalion 

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manji

manji

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  On 06/03/2022 at 20:16, manji said:

Only European army that is led by a Neo- Nazi battalion 

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Oh and Eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by Russians. 14,000 of which have been killed by Ukrainian AZOV battalion since the American led coup in 2008. 

Manuel

Manuel

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  On 06/03/2022 at 19:40, Sevvy said:

This should be shown elsewhere. 

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Now it's on Saintsweb it'll go viral.

Seriously though, I wonder how much stuff like this will get through Russia's firewall and get to the people.  And as the bloke said, some in the country don't even have internet.  

The truth will get out eventually...the sooner the better.  

Victor

Victor

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  On 06/03/2022 at 20:20, manji said:

Oh and Eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by Russians. 14,000 of which have been killed by Ukrainian AZOV battalion since the American led coup in 2008. 

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Source?

 

And who the hell is Slavak?

Millbrook Saint

Millbrook Saint

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  On 05/03/2022 at 22:17, rallyboy said:

It's a bit rich for any war criminal who is literally killing children, to claim that an alleged stranger having his yacht impounded is like a declaration of war.

If these oligarchs really have no connection to him, why is he even bothered?

The shit will really hit the fan if the UK eventually follows the EU, Canada, Australia and Switzerland, and starts properly freezing assets.

We've got to support that action soon, surely....

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Pretty sure we want to take that action but the scumbag lawyers are holding it up, I believe there will be new legislation coming through in the next week or so to allow this, seems fair enough getting new legislation to me, people need to have protection from their government just deciding to take peoples property and money from their banks for no good reason, or you end up like Canada, with that madman Trudeau just taking your money as he doesn't like what you're protesting about

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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  On 06/03/2022 at 20:20, manji said:

Oh and Eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by Russians. 14,000 of which have been killed by Ukrainian AZOV battalion since the American led coup in 2008. 

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Think you might be getting your facts mixed up here. 

Firstly, ethnic Russians made up less than 40% of the population in Donetsk and Luhansk at the last census. 

Second, the claim that 14,000 of them have been killed by AZOV is false. The UN puts the total figure of deaths in the conflict at around 13,200, of which over 4,000 were Ukrainian military and nearly 6,000 members of armed separatist groups. 

I have no love at all for the ideals of the AZOV volunteer force, but to claim their existence / actions is any kind of justification for what is currently happening across Ukraine is just pure Kremlin propaganda. 

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rallyboy

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No, but I think it needed showing.

While we're fucking around dragging our feet waiting for some court to arrange a hearing so we don't upset the friends of Putin, his soldiers are killing children.

The man is a war criminal, his supporters own property in the UK, if they feel badly treated let them sue us and we'll  discuss it in court next year or the year after, depending on how many children die as a result of their support.

Yes, we need to do things legally, but we are now so far behind the curve it's a fucking joke - a very sick one.

 

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Jeremy Corbyn

Jeremy Corbyn

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  On 06/03/2022 at 22:29, rallyboy said:

No, but I think it needed showing.

While we're fucking around dragging our feet waiting for some court to arrange a hearing so we don't upset the friends of Putin, his soldiers are killing children.

The man is a war criminal, his supporters own property in the UK, if they feel badly treated let them sue us and we'll  discuss it in court next year or the year after, depending on how many children die as a result of their support.

Yes, we need to do things legally, but we are now so far behind the curve it's a fucking joke - a very sick one.

 

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100%, bombing children while they flee! How much lower can you get?

Jimmy_D

Jimmy_D

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  On 06/03/2022 at 23:13, Klaus Schwab said:

From 2015

 

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Threats from Russia to not do something that wasn't Russia's decision to make are not an excuse for Russia to commit war crimes.

Blaming the West or Ukraine for this is utterly utterly ridiculous.

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buctootim

buctootim

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  On 06/03/2022 at 20:20, manji said:

Oh and Eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by Russians. 14,000 of which have been killed by Ukrainian AZOV battalion since the American led coup in 2008. 

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Two sentences not a single accurate claim. Congrats 

Eastern Ukraine is mostly populated by ethnic Russian Ukrainians. You know them. They're the people who are fighting to the death the Russian invaders in Kharkiv, Mariupol and Kherson. You know Mariupol right? the birthplace of Zelensky the ethnic Russian Jewish President - you think a Jewish President with Jewish PM is going to have a neo Nazi battalion leading the Ukrainian army? seriously?  Yes 14,000 have died in the Donbass - the vast majority killed by the Russian funded and equipped 'rebels' aka Russian army officers leading paid insurgents. OSCE can confirm that for you

Coup? Surely you mean the massive self inflicted fuck up by Putin, yep yet another one, where he tried to poison the pro Europe Presidential candidate? The irony is Putin's puppet would have won if it wasnt for the poisoning - which caused a massive upsurge in support for him and he won the reun. Poor old psychopathic Pootie. Messed up again. 

 

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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The Russians have established evacuation routes from Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Mariupol; some lead to Russia, some to Belarus, and others have been mined.

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Millbrook Saint

Millbrook Saint

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  On 07/03/2022 at 13:44, buctootim said:

Totally. "Do the right thing unless there are any disadvantages, in which case don't". In another life he'd be happily working for Putin.  

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As revolting as it sounds, what happens in a months time when people can't afford to heat their homes, there's already been protests on the streets about the cost of living, the government has to factor this in, of course they have to discuss unpalatable things, to not do so would be negligent, personally I don't mind taking the hit if it helps the Ukranian people, but there are people who won't be able to, then it will be all about those nasty tories not helping them when fuel prices go up.  The government needs to come out and explain to people why their bills are going to get higher and it's a small hardship we're going to have to endure to help end the war.

buctootim

buctootim

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  On 07/03/2022 at 15:53, Millbrook Saint said:

As revolting as it sounds, what happens in a months time when people can't afford to heat their homes, there's already been protests on the streets about the cost of living, the government has to factor this in, of course they have to discuss unpalatable things, to not do so would be negligent, personally I don't mind taking the hit if it helps the Ukranian people, but there are people who won't be able to, then it will be all about those nasty tories not helping them when fuel prices go up.  The government needs to come out and explain to people why their bills are going to get higher and it's a small hardship we're going to have to endure to help end the war.

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Those arent the only two options though. The US is currently negotiating with Venezuala and Saudi about boosting output, Germany can retain nuclear for a bit longer, you can build more storage so not as reliant on constant supplies - and you can cap costs using taxpayers money until this war and the volatility is over.  

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 07/03/2022 at 15:53, Millbrook Saint said:

As revolting as it sounds, what happens in a months time when people can't afford to heat their homes, there's already been protests on the streets about the cost of living, the government has to factor this in, of course they have to discuss unpalatable things, to not do so would be negligent, personally I don't mind taking the hit if it helps the Ukranian people, but there are people who won't be able to, then it will be all about those nasty tories not helping them when fuel prices go up.  The government needs to come out and explain to people why their bills are going to get higher and it's a small hardship we're going to have to endure to help end the war.

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Prices for gas, electricity and petrol/diesel were rocketing before this all kicked off, the war has just added another factor to supplement post pandemic inflation. As for heating bills, in a month's time people won't be heating their homes as much. Agree that the Government should do more, but won't hold my breath.

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Millbrook Saint

Millbrook Saint

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  On 07/03/2022 at 15:56, buctootim said:

Those arent the only two options though. The US is currently negotiating with Venezuala and Saudi about boosting output, Germany can retain nuclear for a bit longer, you can build more storage so not as reliant on constant supplies - and you can cap costs using taxpayers money until this war and the volatility is over.  

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Nope bring back fracking and make it state owned with profits going back in to research for renewables and become self sufficient, this war should be a lesson to us all that we cannot rely on other countries, particularly those with maniacs running them

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 07/03/2022 at 16:28, Millbrook Saint said:

Nope bring back fracking and make it state owned with profits going back in to research for renewables and become self sufficient, this war should be a lesson to us all that we cannot rely on other countries, particularly those with maniacs running them

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The Government shut down fracking because (1) the yields and economic benefit would be far less than originally speculated, and (2) the geological impact far exceeded the safety limits put in place, and the industry failed to find ways to alleviate this.

spyinthesky

spyinthesky

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  On 07/03/2022 at 16:09, badgerx16 said:

Prices for gas, electricity and petrol/diesel were rocketing before this all kicked off, the war has just added another factor to supplement post pandemic inflation. As for heating bills, in a month's time people won't be heating their homes as much. Agree that the Government should do more, but won't hold my breath.

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One other thing to factor in.
Ukraine is a significant producer of wheat, as is Russia and there is likely to be an interruption of supply this year,
Also Russia is a major supplier of phosphate which is used in fertiliser.
If there is a reduction in the supply of fertiliser crop yields will fall and foot prices will increase.
Belt tightening for us all I think.
Perhaps back to the days when I was growing up ie no central heating, a wash in the sink and taking jam sandwiches to The Dell and away trips as the only means of sustenance.

Yozzman

Yozzman

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  On 07/03/2022 at 16:45, badgerx16 said:

The Government shut down fracking because (1) the yields and economic benefit would be far less than originally speculated, and (2) the geological impact far exceeded the safety limits put in place, and the industry failed to find ways to alleviate this.

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I think the current gas prices will have significantly changed the economic advantages of fracking.

Mystic Force

Mystic Force

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I think part of the answer of why Putin did it now is because of high energy prices, because that means he has a form of leverage. You can correlate previous actions by Russia in their interventions with high energy price spikes. So high energy price is the cause of the invasion not the consequence (but subsequently sent them even higher)

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 07/03/2022 at 16:56, Yozzman said:

I think the current gas prices will have significantly changed the economic advantages of fracking.

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The geological issues will prevent it starting up again. The test wells in Lancashire were picked as being the most stable, and they easily exceeded the safety guidelines for tremors. ( Funny how nobody ever semed to push for fracking in Surrey, Sussex, Hampshire, and Kent, where there are supposed to be substantial deposits of gas ).

Yozzman

Yozzman

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  On 07/03/2022 at 17:01, badgerx16 said:

The geological issues will prevent it starting up again. The test wells in Lancashire were picked as being the most stable, and they easily exceeded the safety guidelines for tremors. ( Funny how nobody ever semed to push for fracking in Surrey, Sussex, Hampshire, and Kent, where there are supposed to be substantial deposits of gas ).

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Not sure about that. Cuadrilla were very keen hence the 2013 fracking protests at Balcombe in Sussex. 

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 07/03/2022 at 17:16, Yozzman said:

Not sure about that. Cuadrilla were very keen hence the 2013 fracking protests at Balcombe in Sussex. 

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Perhaps, but it was up here they actually started. Our protests had much less effect on the Tory Government than those down South.

Warriorsaint

Warriorsaint

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  On 06/03/2022 at 20:20, manji said:

Oh and Eastern Ukraine is mainly populated by Russians. 14,000 of which have been killed by Ukrainian AZOV battalion since the American led coup in 2008. 

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Fuckem all. Its Russians firing missiles into schools and mining evacuation routes.

Choose a side. No grey in this one. You are for the Russians or against. Simple 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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Bhutan have never attacked Guinea Bissau with land, sea or air power, so we can pretty much do away with our armed forces completely. Thank you Warrior, your insight will save this country billions in tax spending.

badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 07/03/2022 at 18:44, Lighthouse said:

Bhutan have never attacked Guinea Bissau with land, sea or air power, so we can pretty much do away with our armed forces completely. Thank you Warrior, your insight will save this country billions in tax spending.

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Bhutan are so confident about preserving their territorial integrity they haven't bothered to build a navy 😉

whelk

whelk

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  On 07/03/2022 at 17:25, Lighthouse said:

Interesting that members of the SNP have chosen now to reiterate their desire to scrap Trident. 

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Corbyn was banging on yesterday about need to nuclear disarm. Fucking idiot.

also saw the bs demo In Southampton had a ‘no to NATO expansion’. These people are truly clueless 

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