Saints Transfer to Man City

[spyinthesky]

Am I right to believe that we sold one of our youngsters, a central defender, onto Man City for a reported £1.5m earlier in the season?

Separately has a fee been fixed for Thierry Small from Everton?

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

10 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Am I right to believe that we sold one of our youngsters, a central defender, onto Man City for a reported £1.5m earlier in the season?

Separately has a fee been fixed for Thierry Small from Everton?

This chap I'd guess?
Max Alleyne confirms move from Southampton to Manchester City | Daily Echo

[tajjuk]

It's alright we'll get him back in a few years when he can't get anywhere near their first team after they have bought yet another £50 million centre-back. 

[SuperSAINT]

Yeah, changed his mind over signing a scholarship. 

[Chez]

Blimey thats a lot of money for a 15 year old. He must be a real talent. Disappointing to lose someone like that though, especially in a position that has proved extremely difficult for us to develop players. City are obviously on another level to us, and shows what we are up against. The likes of City and Chelsea just seem to hoover up the best young players. 

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

Blimey thats a lot of money for a 15 year old. He must be a real talent. Disappointing to lose someone like that though, especially in a position that has proved extremely difficult for us to develop players. City are obviously on another level to us, and shows what we are up against. The likes of City and Chelsea just seem to hoover up the best young players. 

To be fair to Man City they do use their academy, even in the days of the squad they have you still have players like Foden, Mcatee, Delap, Palmer etc all being given opportunities - so a young player is going to see a pathway at Man City.

Chelsea is a different matter, they have too many players and they have hoovered up too much academy talent from all over the world. Go to Chelsea and end up being loaned out for a decade of your career. Getting Simeu and Tino is an example that their stockpiling has gone a bit wrong.

We've probably got a chance of getting Broja for those reasons as well.

[Chez]

35 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

To be fair to Man City they do use their academy, even in the days of the squad they have you still have players like Foden, Mcatee, Delap, Palmer etc all being given opportunities - so a young player is going to see a pathway at Man City.

Chelsea is a different matter, they have too many players and they have hoovered up too much academy talent from all over the world. Go to Chelsea and end up being loaned out for a decade of your career. Getting Simeu and Tino is an example that their stockpiling has gone a bit wrong.

We've probably got a chance of getting Broja for those reasons as well.

IN recent times you coud argue that Chelsea offer the same or even better opportunities as City, with the likes of Christensen, Chalabah,  James and  Mount getting much more game time than players City have developed. Chelsea got a head start in City, and maybe City did things better earlier, but Chelsea seem to know what they are doing. The fat Sancho up sticks and became a £90m talent at Dortmund suggests that City have got the route to first team perfect in the past. 

[Saint86]

I'm not sure you can argue Chelsea's academy setup has gone wrong. They have superb talent on their books - the very best break through to their first team (like mount and james etc), then they have other top players like Broja, Gilmour, and Gallagher - players which other premier league (or European teams) develop for them? If they prove themselves good enough they go back into the chelsea first team... or chelsea sell them. Even players like Livramento have buy back clauses - which effectively mean that if an academy product ever becomes a top level player that they'd want in their first team, they effectively then pick them back up on the relative cheap.

I would say its functioning fairly well tbh.

Edited 11 January, 2022 by Saint86

[Mystic Force]

I think there is a difference between functioning well for one team and working well for other stakeholders (England national team, the premier league overall, academy trainees etc) However changing the structure probably not going to happen. So we will have to do the same.

[Charlie Wayman]

18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

To be fair to Man City they do use their academy, even in the days of the squad they have you still have players like Foden, Mcatee, Delap, Palmer etc all being given opportunities - so a young player is going to see a pathway at Man City.

Chelsea is a different matter, they have too many players and they have hoovered up too much academy talent from all over the world. Go to Chelsea and end up being loaned out for a decade of your career. Getting Simeu and Tino is an example that their stockpiling has gone a bit wrong.

We've probably got a chance of getting Broja for those reasons as well.

Broja still has a great deal to prove, it's not a given that he will break through to become a top PL striker. There are flaws in his game for all to see. If Chelsea decide that he is not good enough for them why would we stump up £20m + for his signature when there may be better youngsters out there.

Edited 11 January, 2022 by Charlie Wayman

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Broja still has a great deal to prove, it's not a given that he will break through to become a top PL striker. There are flaws in his game for all to see. If Chelsea decide that he is not good enough for them why would we stump up £20m + for his signature when there may be better youngsters out there.

Familiarity with the playbook? 😆