Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 (edited) How is this “raising awareness”? you’d hope the people who can do something, plod & the politicians, are already aware of it. I’d imagine the blokes carrying knives are aware of it, and you’d have thought the potential victims were also aware that there’s lots of knife crime in their communities. What on earth will wearing a white kit do to stop it, how many knife carrying halfwits are going to down tools because they saw Arsenal in a white kit whilst watching TV? Edited 10 January, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 Just now, Lord Duckhunter said: How is this “raising awareness”? you’d hope the people who can do something, plod & the politicians, are already aware of it. I’d imagine the blokes carrying knives are aware of it, and you’d have thought the potential victims were also aware that there’s lots of knife crime in their communities. What on earth will wearing a white kit do to stop it, how many knife carrying halfwits are going to down tools because the saw Arsenal in a white kit whilst watching TV? "raising awareness" is the marketing term given to anything that basically serves little purpose and has no ROI. For example we often have some marketing budget over from some suppliers that we have to use up by the end of the fiscal, so we will often to do an "awareness campaign" for new technology or solution, basically no one expects anything to come from it but it keeps everyone happy. This is all very well intentioned but most people are aware of knife crime already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Turkish said: "raising awareness" is the marketing term given to anything that basically serves little purpose and has no ROI. For example we often have some marketing budget over from some suppliers that we have to use up by the end of the fiscal, so we will often to do an "awareness campaign" for new technology or solution, basically no one expects anything to come from it but it keeps everyone happy. This is all very well intentioned but most people are aware of knife crime already. I can just about understand awareness campaigns around race/sex/religion. Some people might not be aware of the latest pony and inadvertently say racist or sexist stuff, but knife crime? WTF, nobody is unaware or needs educational courses around the danger of knives, that’s why they carry them in the first place. Because they’re fucking dangerous. Edited 10 January, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: "raising awareness" is the marketing term given to anything that basically serves little purpose and has no ROI. For example we often have some marketing budget over from some suppliers that we have to use up by the end of the fiscal, so we will often to do an "awareness campaign" for new technology or solution, basically no one expects anything to come from it but it keeps everyone happy. This is all very well intentioned but most people are aware of knife crime already. Yes, it's why they don't refer to it as "marketing". Most marketing executives would argue, that for every pound they invest in their marketing department they will be able to produce a return to the company that exceeds that pound. You only market something to get results and those results will be quantifiable, and proof that the marketing works. "Raising awareness" should really play by these rules. If there is a desire to reduce knife crime, and who wouldn't want that, the costs of whatever awareness campaign should be able to prove value for money. Statistical proof that as a result of the awareness, crime has reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 Quel surprise. Some thick twats think it is to raise awareness of knife crime. Maybe read up on the initiative before trying to come across as smart putting it down. Honestly I only come across such twats on here. Thankfully don’t in real life. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: "raising awareness" is the marketing term given to anything that basically serves little purpose and has no ROI. For example we often have some marketing budget over from some suppliers that we have to use up by the end of the fiscal, so we will often to do an "awareness campaign" for new technology or solution, basically no one expects anything to come from it but it keeps everyone happy. This is all very well intentioned but most people are aware of knife crime already. 59 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I can just about understand awareness campaigns around race/sex/religion. Some people might not be aware of the latest pony and inadvertently say racist or sexist stuff, but knife crime? WTF, nobody is unaware or needs educational courses around the danger of knives, that’s why they carry them in the first place. Because they’re fucking dangerous. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, whelk said: Quel surprise. Some thick twats think it is to raise awareness of knife crime. Maybe read up on the initiative before trying to come across as smart putting it down. Honestly I only come across such twats on here. Thankfully don’t in real life. Arsenal to remove red from shirt and play in all-white in FA Cup as part of adidas anti-knife crime collaboration | Football News | Sky Sports "Arsenal to play in all-white kit for the first time in Sunday's FA Cup tie at Nottingham Forest to raise awareness about knife crime and youth violence; Idris Elba tells Sky Sports News why he was keen to get involved with the 'No More Red' initiative" You'd need to get in touch with Sky Sports as well then pal Arsenal to wear special anti knife crime kit in FA cup fixture by Alex Markou, Ewell Castle | This Is Local London Even reported that's what it's for in London Arsenal Football Club are set to wear an all-white kit for the first time in the club’s history this Sunday to raise awareness over rising knife crime in the capital and the damages it has on communities. The campaign is known as “No More Red”. Edited 10 January, 2022 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: Arsenal to remove red from shirt and play in all-white in FA Cup as part of adidas anti-knife crime collaboration | Football News | Sky Sports "Arsenal to play in all-white kit for the first time in Sunday's FA Cup tie at Nottingham Forest to raise awareness about knife crime and youth violence; Idris Elba tells Sky Sports News why he was keen to get involved with the 'No More Red' initiative" You'd need to get in touch with Sky Sports as well then pal https://www.justarsenal.com/no-more-red-is-a-positive-arsenal-initiative-to-increase-awareness/300574 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 Are there any threads where the resident pub bore ( not you Turkish) doesn’t embarrass himself or expose his bigotry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 (edited) Stick your head in the Saints Foundation office and have a chat with some of their inclusion staff regarding knife crime in Southampton. Then times it by a thousand and you’ll only be scratching the tip of the ice berg of the issue in the capital. Give your head a wobble if you’re precious over a club promoting an anti knife campaign in a unique way. They (Arsenal) also do some fantastic work to educate and support young people. Edited 10 January, 2022 by Monk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 3 hours ago, Minsk said: Don't use social media. Did watch any pre-match build up. In fact I rarely watch any football with English commentary anyway. I never expected them to remove red and add black. Where did I say I did? Why do you think it wouldn't have been better had they actually removed ALL the red and that from a shirt containing a lot it which they were supposed to be wearing? Maybe they could have asked Forest to wear their away strip and then worn the all white? Maybe they did and Forest refused? Churlish of them if so. No idea. Again, had neither team worn any red it would have been more effective. Have you never seen some campaign and thought 'good idea, but would have been better if...'? Excuse me for giving an opinion on a forum about how I think it could have been done better. Just sat here in a hospital bed, with covid and a serious lung condition, trying to find things to take my off of 'keep breathing' (not that I want to stop; I just want to do it naturally) while hoping they can do enough for me without the need for ICU. Get well soon Minsk . Are you still based there? I visited for football in 2008 thought it was an interesting city, unusual place for a Saints fan to end up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 Get well soon Minsk, For those arguing semantics of this initiative, have a look at the official website, not the hedlines or brief writeups on various media websites. https://www.arsenal.com/nomorered It's clear that the initiative is designed to attempt to tackle to root causes of youth violence in the capital. It's not just about raising awareness of knife crime, but is investing in communities, creating safe spaces and oppotunities which might help young people move away from a violent path. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 50 minutes ago, Monk said: Stick your head in the Saints Foundation office and have a chat with some of their inclusion staff regarding knife crime in Southampton. Then times it by a thousand and you’ll only be scratching the tip of the ice berg of the issue in the capital. Give your head a wobble if you’re precious over a club promoting an anti knife campaign in a unique way. They (Arsenal) also do some fantastic work to educate and support young people. Agree mate. It's the pious individuals on here who give it large about what "we" should all be doing that get on my tits. When all they are doing is giving it their stamp of approval on a football forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 15 minutes ago, Turkish said: Agree mate. It's the pious individuals on here who give it large about what "we" should all be doing that get on my tits. When all they are doing is giving it their stamp of approval on a football forum. At least it is something different to changing your facebook profile picture 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 2 hours ago, The Left Back said: I’d suggest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 1 hour ago, JRM said: Get well soon Minsk . Are you still based there? I visited for football in 2008 thought it was an interesting city, unusual place for a Saints fan to end up! Thanks. I'm currently back in the UK now (in Winchester hospital). Went there because Mrs Minsk is from Minsk. Came back primarily so my daughter can finish her education here. Far better prospects for her future and she would even be paid more if she worked back there. Minsk is a lovely city and Belarus is a beautiful country. The locals are very friendly, except some arms of law enforcement. To be honest even they are okay if you follow the rules and they only do what they do to preserve the country how they think it should be run - far from American and EU influence. It is a very safe place to live. Women can walk home at night without fear. Only saw 3 drunken scraps in 14 years there, and they were 1v1 handbags stuff. Was at that match as well, with a bunch of local friends and a group of family members who flew over. Even though I had been there 4 years by then I was still surprise at how many locals actually supported England that night. They were all over the stadium. Still have a flat near the city centre and a dacha (basic house) in the countryside (back gate leads into a forest). God willing, will move back there one day. Hopefully things will be more stable by then, with direct flights back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 Get well soon Minsk. You're in our thoughts. And I should stress that those thoughts relate to your health and not to the 2 pages of knife crime comments I've just read. 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 10 January, 2022 Share Posted 10 January, 2022 I think this is a good initiative and I’m also an ardent racist so I really am very confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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