Media Political Bias (Split)

[LordHester]

2 hours ago, DuncanRG said:

I'm not questioning your post in general, but it's worth saying that this isn't how the media works. They might have the same source but it'll be nothing to do with common ownership.

Not least because Murdoch isn’t involved with Sky anymore.

[Fan The Flames]

12 minutes ago, SalmonSi said:

According to 99% on this forum, state controlled media is a conspiracy theorists view and totally impossible, LOL. 

In this country bruv, plausible in ex-eastern bloc countries. I hope that helps.

[Sheaf Saint]

38 minutes ago, SalmonSi said:

The fact that you honestly believe it does not happen here leaves me in no doubt your eyes are firmly shut to the ways of the world. 

There are undoubtedly multiple flaws and biases in the British mainstream media, and I'm not for one second going to try and argue that we have a completely free and transparent press, but Serbia is on an entirely different level...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Serbia

 

[Verbal]

1 hour ago, SalmonSi said:

The fact that you honestly believe it does not happen here leaves me in no doubt your eyes are firmly shut to the ways of the world. 

Which media organisation  in the UK is 'state controlled'?

[suewhistle]

28 minutes ago, Verbal said:

Which media organisation  in the UK is 'state controlled'?

Well, judging how scared the BBC are of offending the Tory government, and the latter's attempts to put poodles in charge,  and how uncritical the Daily Mail is of Boris Johnson can I suggest two candidates?

[redkeith]

34 minutes ago, Verbal said:

Which media organisation  in the UK is 'state controlled'?

I think it is the other way round atm, the Daily Telegraph,Mail and Express are running the country . 

[Verbal]

13 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

Well, judging how scared the BBC are of offending the Tory government, and the latter's attempts to put poodles in charge,  and how uncritical the Daily Mail is of Boris Johnson can I suggest two candidates?

Would that be the same BBC that's under constant attack from the Tories, including its most senior ministers?  And the Daily Mail sets its own agenda which the government is too often keen not to cross.  We do not have 'state controlled media' in this country and it's a bit childish to think we do.  That doesn't mean anyone should get a free pass, because, for example, too many of the 'legacy' media companies are deeply divisive, cynical and manipulative.  There's a correlation between countries we're Murdoch owns dominant media and the presence of right-wing populist politics.  But 'state controlled'?  Really no.

[Streaky]

1 hour ago, Verbal said:

Which media organisation  in the UK is 'state controlled'?

BBC

[waylander]

1 hour ago, redkeith said:

I think it is the other way round atm, the Daily Telegraph,Mail and Express are running the country . 

Think again. The Daily Telegraph has been deeply critical of the governmnt for the last year or more.

[Joey-deacons-left-nut]

1 hour ago, Streaky said:

BBC

 

No it isn't.

[Verbal]

1 hour ago, waylander said:

Think again. The Daily Telegraph has been deeply critical of the governmnt for the last year or more.

Think again again.  The DT's views are deeply embedded in the various 'awkward squad' factions in the parliamentary Tory party, including the tax cutters (led by Rees Mogg), the anti-lockdown Covid Research Group, and of course the usual suspects among Brexiters demanding still ever harder Brexit.  With the Tories' parliamentary majority, the real threat to the government comes from the circular firing squad of the governing party's own leading lights (or dimbulbs).  But that doesn't make these members any less a part of the government.  The DT is the Tory party talking to itself.

On the other hand, the DT until late last year published a weekly supplement in its main newspaper which was directly paid for by the Chinese government and which contained unalloyed Chinese Communist Party propaganda.  Shocking but true - and an indication of how utterly cynical, and weird, are some of the billionaire owners of these media companies

[captainchris]

2 hours ago, Verbal said:

Would that be the same BBC that's under constant attack from the Tories, including its most senior ministers?  And the Daily Mail sets its own agenda which the government is too often keen not to cross.  We do not have 'state controlled media' in this country and it's a bit childish to think we do.  That doesn't mean anyone should get a free pass, because, for example, too many of the 'legacy' media companies are deeply divisive, cynical and manipulative.  There's a correlation between countries we're Murdoch owns dominant media and the presence of right-wing populist politics.  But 'state controlled'?  Really no.

During COVID I have seen nothing but far left politics on most media platforms so not quite sure where you are coming from on this. The BBC being worst with a photo finish for most of the rest.

 

 

[warsash saint]

2 hours ago, Joey-deacons-left-nut said:

 

No it isn't.

Agreed but looking at the BBC bias output you can see why people come to that conclusion! 

Edited 6 January, 2022 by warsash saint

[suewhistle]

3 hours ago, Verbal said:

Would that be the same BBC that's under constant attack from the Tories, including its most senior ministers? 

There's no dichotomy, it's generating justification in their own minds and elsewhere that their targeting is legitimate and justified.

Boris Johnson was telling lies in Parliament yesterday, which is nothing new, but you won't find that in The Mail.

The Daily Telegraph, based on my newsfeed is a constant stream of "evil EU, particularly France" stories - it really is unremitting.

As for a subsequent poster "far left politics on most media platforms", it probably explains why I ignore his posts on football matters too.

[The Left Back]

36 minutes ago, captainchris said:

During COVID I have seen nothing but far left politics on most media platforms so not quite sure where you are coming from on this. The BBC being worst with a photo finish for most of the rest.

 

 

The nature of spectra means it's all about where you stand.  If you are on the far right then everything has to be to the far left of you.

[Chez]

Any chance the admins can separate sport from politics? 

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, captainchris said:

During COVID I have seen nothing but far left politics on most media platforms so not quite sure where you are coming from on this. The BBC being worst with a photo finish for most of the rest.

 

 

I don’t know what you have been looking at but most people would probably come to the conclusion that the majority of media companies in this country lean to the right. As for the BBC, I have seen plenty of people arguing that it leans towards the Tory party, their political editor gets plenty of stick for that reason. Depending where you look you will find people from both sides of the political divide accusing the BBC of bias, which probably means they have got things about right. We have one daily newspaper which is Left and that is the Mirror. The Guardian is liberal and was no friend of Corbyn. Most of our newspaper are owned by very rich people who want to stay that way, so they support right wing, capitalist politics. That self interest sometimes throws up some interesting curve balls like when Murdoch threw his clout behind Blair. To say that the state runs the press is nonsense. What is happening is that selfish, self serving businessmen will always back the horse that is better for their own interests. Not surprisingly that does not involve spending lots of money on social policies and supporting the underprivileged.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t know what you have been looking at but most people would probably come to the conclusion that the majority of media companies in this country lean to the right. As for the BBC, I have seen plenty of people arguing that it leans towards the Tory party, their political editor gets plenty of stick for that reason. Depending where you look you will find people from both sides of the political divide accusing the BBC of bias, which probably means they have got things about right. We have one daily newspaper which is Left and that is the Mirror. The Guardian is liberal and was no friend of Corbyn. Most of our newspaper are owned by very rich people who want to stay that way, so they support right wing, capitalist politics. That self interest sometimes throws up some interesting curve balls like when Murdoch threw his clout behind Blair. To say that the state runs the press is nonsense. What is happening is that selfish, self serving businessmen will always back the horse that is better for their own interests. Not surprisingly that does not involve spending lots of money on social policies and supporting the underprivileged.

The BBC leans right because it believes the safest way to avoid accusations of bias is to take its cues from the print media

[Wiggles31]

The BBC is middle right but anyway back to football…….

[Toadhall Saint]

15 minutes ago, Wiggles31 said:

The BBC is middle right but anyway back to football…….

I wish

[Marching Halos]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t know what you have been looking at but most people would probably come to the conclusion that the majority of media companies in this country lean to the right. As for the BBC, I have seen plenty of people arguing that it leans towards the Tory party, their political editor gets plenty of stick for that reason. Depending where you look you will find people from both sides of the political divide accusing the BBC of bias, which probably means they have got things about right. We have one daily newspaper which is Left and that is the Mirror. The Guardian is liberal and was no friend of Corbyn. Most of our newspaper are owned by very rich people who want to stay that way, so they support right wing, capitalist politics. That self interest sometimes throws up some interesting curve balls like when Murdoch threw his clout behind Blair. To say that the state runs the press is nonsense. What is happening is that selfish, self serving businessmen will always back the horse that is better for their own interests. Not surprisingly that does not involve spending lots of money on social policies and supporting the underprivileged.

I come on here to get away from politics, whats this post got to do with saints? Why do some people think normal people care about whos right, left or what ever. 

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, Marching Halos said:

I come on here to get away from politics, whats this post got to do with saints? Why do some people think normal people care about whos right, left or what ever. 

I was responding to another posters post which is what people do on internet chat forums. If you don’t like political discussions I suggest that you avoid political threads (although you might struggle here as many of them end up going down that path anyway 😉). As for “normal people”, good luck with that.

[VectisSaint]

17 hours ago, captainchris said:

During COVID I have seen nothing but far left politics on most media platforms so not quite sure where you are coming from on this. The BBC being worst with a photo finish for most of the rest.

 

 

I guess if your politics lie a little to the right of Attila the Hun you might consider the BBC left wing. 

[sadoldgit]

The BBC will never be able to please all of the people all of the time, but to be fair to them, they do try to cover as many spectrums as they can nowadays. As for bias, I have been watching the BBC all my life and have never found it inherently so. They ask difficult questions of those in power, which is their job, no matter what Party is in power. I don’t recall any PM or cabinet minister given an easy ride by the BBC reporters. As for being left wing, the BBC clearly has a social conscience, and you would expect that from a public funded broadcasting company. Over the years the BBC have covered social issues constantly, consistently and probably better than any other channels. They challenge not just politicians, but Royalty, businesses, crooks, the police, local councils and general wrongdoing. They don’t always get it right, but at least they do it and they do it on our behalf. If people want clear bias and self interest, there are plenty of media brands out there for their needs. For all of its faults, the BBC is still unique in its broad range of broadcasting and its efforts to speak to a very diverse country. We are lucky to have it. It’s is just a shame that we don’t have more public owned print media.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The BBC will never be able to please all of the people all of the time, but to be fair to them, they do try to cover as many spectrums as they can nowadays. As for bias, I have been watching the BBC all my life and have never found it inherently so. They ask difficult questions of those in power, which is their job, no matter what Party is in power. I don’t recall any PM or cabinet minister given an easy ride by the BBC reporters. As for being left wing, the BBC clearly has a social conscience, and you would expect that from a public funded broadcasting company. Over the years the BBC have covered social issues constantly, consistently and probably better than any other channels. They challenge not just politicians, but Royalty, businesses, crooks, the police, local councils and general wrongdoing. They don’t always get it right, but at least they do it and they do it on our behalf. If people want clear bias and self interest, there are plenty of media brands out there for their needs. For all of its faults, the BBC is still unique in its broad range of broadcasting and its efforts to speak to a very diverse country. We are lucky to have it. It’s is just a shame that we don’t have more public owned print media.

I am sure the leaders at the BBC would be delighted to hear that you have given them the Sad Old Git personal stamp of approval. How arrogant!

[The Left Back]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

The BBC will never be able to please all of the people all of the time, but to be fair to them, they do try to cover as many spectrums as they can nowadays. As for bias, I have been watching the BBC all my life and have never found it inherently so. They ask difficult questions of those in power, which is their job, no matter what Party is in power. I don’t recall any PM or cabinet minister given an easy ride by the BBC reporters. As for being left wing, the BBC clearly has a social conscience, and you would expect that from a public funded broadcasting company. Over the years the BBC have covered social issues constantly, consistently and probably better than any other channels. They challenge not just politicians, but Royalty, businesses, crooks, the police, local councils and general wrongdoing. They don’t always get it right, but at least they do it and they do it on our behalf. If people want clear bias and self interest, there are plenty of media brands out there for their needs. For all of its faults, the BBC is still unique in its broad range of broadcasting and its efforts to speak to a very diverse country. We are lucky to have it. It’s is just a shame that we don’t have more public owned print media.

I broadly agree with this, though they do tie them selves up in knots sometimes trying to be impartial.  And personally I could do with fewer game shows or reality TV.  They could leave that to the rest.  It's standard playbook for populist, nationalistic governments to bash or undermine any media that doesn't sing their song.

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

I am sure the leaders at the BBC would be delighted to hear that you have given them the Sad Old Git personal stamp of approval. How arrogant!

I know you two like a spat but I didn't see his views as particularly arrogant.  

[Turkish]

Just now, The Left Back said:

I broadly agree with this, though they do tie them selves up in knots sometimes trying to be impartial.  And personally I could do with fewer game shows or reality TV.  They could leave that to the rest.  It's standard playbook for populist, nationalistic governments to bash or undermine any media that doesn't sing their song.

I know you two like a spat but I didn't see his views as particularly arrogant.  

Most normal people didn't think mine was either when he accused me of the same thing 

[Verbal]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Most normal people didn't think mine was either when he accused me of the same thing 

Saying "most normal people" think something benign about you is of course the very definition of the arrogance you deny.  Well done Turnip!

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Verbal said:

Saying "most normal people" think something benign about you is of course the very definition of the arrogance you deny.  Well done Turnip!

Yet another post about me! Get a new hobby you weirdo, you’re obsessed. 

[sadoldgit]

9 hours ago, The Left Back said:

I broadly agree with this, though they do tie them selves up in knots sometimes trying to be impartial.  And personally I could do with fewer game shows or reality TV.  They could leave that to the rest.  It's standard playbook for populist, nationalistic governments to bash or undermine any media that doesn't sing their song.

I know you two like a spat but I didn't see his views as particularly arrogant.  

I agree but trying to be impartial 24/7 every day of the year must be taxing! Fair play to them, they parodied themselves brilliantly in W1A.  No matter what they do they are going to piss off somebody. As for the number of quiz shows, I agree but they do have an audience and the BBC need to cater for that. I suppose that is why they broadcast Mrs Brown’s Boys too 😩. There has been a general dumbing down in all of the media for the last 20 to 30 years and the BBC hasn’t been immune to that. But they have to reflect the times in which we live and as we know from the likes of Brexit and the way that Covid has been handled, large sections of the public have very different views about these things. The BBC have an impossible job to do in trying to keep everybody happy but I think we are fortunate that at least we have a corporation that are trying to do do something more for the general public rather than just make money for shareholders or push an agenda for someone with far too much money and their own interests at heart.