Saints vs Newcastle - Postponed

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

As great as it is the saints web forum is full of experienced epidemiologists, is there any news about the actual match? 

No. When something is announced you wont need to ask if there is any news, much like the takeover.

Edited 31 December, 2021 by Turkish

[CB Fry]

8 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

As great as it is the saints web forum is full of experienced epidemiologists, is there any news about the actual match? 

The SaintsWeb forum is not full of officials and playing staff of Newcastle or Southampton football clubs either, so not sure what you're expecting.

[Teddeer]

Newcastle might struggle to sign players in the January window - who'd want to go to a club where Covid 19 is rampant and players are going down like flies? Best avoid the place like the plague until their very own epidemic clears up 🙂

[CAH61]

I'd forgotten just how good Hassan Kachloul was for us and what about that volley from Mark Hughes!...😲

 

 

[Matthew Le God]

43 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

As great as it is the saints web forum is full of experienced epidemiologists, is there any news about the actual match? 

 

[Dell McDellFace]

I know these are "unprecedented times", as we keep being reminded, but the whole postponement thing needs some serious scrutiny.

It's so open to abuse. Imagine you have a vital game coming up and you have a bit of an injury/infection crisis and:

• A player who is one booking from suspension "earns" that booking in the last minute of a game
• Fit players are told to play recklessly in a training game
• Deliberately mixing the infected with the uninfected, as rumoured at Tottenham recently!
• Physio being asked to exaggerate the extent of a minor injury

And it's almost impossible to police most of this behaviour.

Luck always played a big part in the outcome of a season, although this has arguably been dumbed down by VAR. If you are plagued by injuries, it could be that you have players who are prone, poor training and recovery methods, but luck is a huge part.

The more you take out elements of luck and chance the more sterile the games becomes. It's a slippery slope - just make them play some of their youth players, who knows - they may uncover a new gem!

[miserableoldgit]

Perhaps the fairest way would to play postponed matches without players signed in the January transfer window?

[suewhistle]

2 hours ago, teamsaint said:

The benefits in terms of contracting and transmitting are marginal at best.

In the latest 4 week figures, just as an illustration, among 18-30 YOs, there were 163k cases vaccinated, 52k unvaccinated.
The double jabbed rate in those groups, according to the same report, is approx  60%.

Oh do keep up. Why do you think they are pushing boosters so much? The improvement in protection is dramatic. The current wave of infections has been impacting more the younger age groups who are generally less vulnerable, and they don't know the impact on older age groups. Yesterday I dashed out to get some LF tests for my mum as there is a positive case in her block of older people's flats and the person has been in the comunal lounge in the last few days..

If not getting vaccinated only impacted yourself I'd say fair enough. But it does have an impact, like many anti-social behaviours. Bad luck in getting covid is one you can accept, but outright stupidity I find difficult to accept.

I shall be there on Sunday if it goes ahead, taking reasonable precautions and going by car (SW & Southern Rail have already made that decision for me!).

[31cc]

10 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Perhaps the fairest way would to play postponed matches without players signed in the January transfer window?

Agree, but what about 'smaller' clubs who have their best players snapped up? Perhaps they could get them back on loan for the rearranged game!🙂

[Whitey Grandad]

10 minutes ago, 31cc said:

Agree, but what about 'smaller' clubs who have their best players snapped up? Perhaps they could get them back on loan for the rearranged game!🙂

Delay the transfer window. Or scrap it altogether.

[trousers]

[Kenilworthy]

In almost any other season this game being postponed would not cause any concern. But we have never before had a case where a struggling club goes into the January transfer window with the capability to effectively upgrade its entire team (with the possible exception of Manchester City post takeover in 2008/9 and they were not struggling). If the situation does not challenge "the integrity of the competition" I don't know what does.

[teamsaint]

33 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

Oh do keep up. Why do you think they are pushing boosters so much? The improvement in protection is dramatic. The current wave of infections has been impacting more the younger age groups who are generally less vulnerable, and they don't know the impact on older age groups. Yesterday I dashed out to get some LF tests for my mum as there is a positive case in her block of older people's flats and the person has been in the comunal lounge in the last few days..

If not getting vaccinated only impacted yourself I'd say fair enough. But it does have an impact, like many anti-social behaviours. Bad luck in getting covid is one you can accept, but outright stupidity I find difficult to accept.

I shall be there on Sunday if it goes ahead, taking reasonable precautions and going by car (SW & Southern Rail have already made that decision for me!).

Yeo, I’m keeping up , thanks so much for the advice. I spend a good  deal of time looking at the best info I can find. ONS data, qualified medics and statisticians for example. 
 The infection rates are high in all age groups, vaxxed or unvaxxed, partially vaxxed, have been for ages. Some findings are showing that booster efficacy declines after 10 weeks, and the first two weeks are discounted ( and show high infection rates anyway).and we still don’t have decent all cause mortality comparisons by age and vaxx status. It is completely valid for people to wait for those, and long term safety data. 

 NHS  staff faced with the sack probably had to think long and hard about this too,

 

[IFHP]

24 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

In almost any other season this game being postponed would not cause any concern. But we have never before had a case where a struggling club goes into the January transfer window with the capability to effectively upgrade its entire team (with the possible exception of Manchester City post takeover in 2008/9 and they were not struggling). If the situation does not challenge "the integrity of the competition" I don't know what does.

Perhaps there should be a take over window where clubs can only be taken over in the close season.

[Pamplemousse]

Not helpful for our ticket sales either, why would people buy for a game in doubt?

 

[waylander]

31 minutes ago, teamsaint said:

 It is completely valid for people to wait for those, and long term safety data. 

 

 

No it isn't.

Vaccines do not have side effects that emerge long term

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-term-side-effects

[Ken Tone]

50 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

In almost any other season this game being postponed would not cause any concern. But we have never before had a case where a struggling club goes into the January transfer window with the capability to effectively upgrade its entire team (with the possible exception of Manchester City post takeover in 2008/9 and they were not struggling). If the situation does not challenge "the integrity of the competition" I don't know what does.

What effect does FPP have in Newcastle spending big? I was under the impression that the current big clubs had in effect pulled up the drawbridge so that newly rich clubs couldn't suddenly join them. 

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Ken Tone said:

What effect does FPP have in Newcastle spending big? I was under the impression that the current big clubs had in effect pulled up the drawbridge so that newly rich clubs couldn't suddenly join them. 

 

 

[Matthew Le God]

 

[Saint-Reece]

Confirmed as postponed. 

[Matthew Le God]

 

[saintwbu]

what a surprise

[RedWillie]

That stinks

[Suhari]

Wankers.

 

[beatlesaint]

1 minute ago, RedWillie said:

That stinks

Think its pretty obvious reading the opening paragraph on the OS that Southmapton FC  agree eith you

[Pamplemousse]

Relax, they're still probably going to get relegated, we're 10 points ahead of them. They aren't one of our rivals..

 

We'll beat them when the time comes

[tunit]

Look forward to playing them in a few months when they've got a whole new squad and ASM and Wilson back from injury... What an absolute joke. We had more players out when we lost 9-0 at Old Trafford last year

[Saint86]

29 minutes ago, waylander said:

No it isn't.

Vaccines do not have side effects that emerge long term

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-term-side-effects

Long term safety data isn't long term side effects fyi 👍

[whelk]

Wankers. I fucking hate that club

[Saint_lambden]

Well that’s the team talk sorted for the rearranged game - use it our advantage and it’ll be even sweeter when we do beat them. 

[whelk]

Only the gullible LD has faith

 

[Saint_clark]

Fuming. This is beyond a joke now.

[CB Fry]

Nice passive aggressive tone in the club statement.

Personally gutted as a I am visiting family this weekend and this would have been my first trip to SMS since the pandemic, I've done a few aways but not a home yet. Jeees.

[Saint_clark]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Nice passive aggressive tone in the club statement.

Personally gutted as a I am visiting family this weekend and this would have been my first trip to SMS since the pandemic, I've done a few aways but not a home yet. Jeees.

It was going to be my first trip there for a couple years as well. 

[waylander]

13 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Long term safety data isn't long term side effects fyi 👍

Thank you for your concern.

Vaccines do not have side effects that show up after an extended period.

FYI - I am a scientific researcher with 35+ years experience in drug discovery.

Edited 31 December, 2021 by waylander

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Cheating Geordies. Must be some COVID outbreak if they can't get a team out from this squad...

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Cheating Geordies. Must be some COVID outbreak if they can't get a team out from this squad...

Infuriating isn't it. Those aren't all kids either. They have a first team squad of 27 and then a further 12 in the under 23s that are over the age of 20. That means even with the 9 injuries/Covid, they still have a squad of 30 to choose from. Are we supposed to believe that they've had 18 more Covid cases/injuries since then to take them below the required amount?

[Billy the Kidd]

4 minutes ago, waylander said:

Thank you for your concern.

Vaccines do not have side effects that show up after an extended period.

FYI - I am a scientific researcher with 35+ years experience in drug discovery.

Going around the estates near St Marys could have you 35 years of searching for drugs.

[MAY-Z]

It’s amazing the differences in 2 sports today

 

in the big bash cricket today, Sydney thunder had an outbreak, were left with 11 fit players in Adelaide, so played with those 11, even though they had more bowlers than they normally would in their 11. Didn’t seem to bother them as they won

[HarvSFC]

The most obvious example of trying to play the system was Crystal Palace last weekend, who didn't get their match postponed. They had two matches in a week, Tottenham and Norwich. Which match would they prioritise a win in? Well, that's simple and they applied to get the Tottenham match postponed, assumedly so that they would have everybody fit and fresh for the Norwich fixture.

However, they were denied, the Tottenham match went ahead and they named their full starting eleven from their last match against us in their squad. Assuming they put a few more names down as injuries to the league, otherwise why would they try for a postponement?

[Billy the Kidd]

Just now, Verbal said:

Whoa there Trigger.  This always ends one way.  He's right and you're wrong. 

[VectisSaint]

At least we have Salisu back for Wolves (unless Swansea gets postponed as well). Just to be clear I know he would have been back for Wolves anyway, but now he shouldn't miss a League game. 

Edited 31 December, 2021 by VectisSaint

[Disco Stu]

They've clearly played the system but it's the Premier League we should be angry with. They opened this can of worms and their incompetence has allowed clubs to take advantage.

[beatlesaint]

I think everybody knew the minute Howe started whinging about injuries after the Man Utd game that the chances of them fulfilling the Everton and Saints fixtures were minimal.

They have played the system, lets just hope they dont benefit from doing so long term. 

[Mattster]

10 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

At least we have Salisu back for Wolves (unless Swansea gets postponed as well). Just to be clear I know he would have been back for Wolves anyway, but now he shouldn't miss a League game. 

But we won't have KWP, who would have served his suspension over the Newcastle game. Not a huge issue, but these are all the knock on effects so things will inevitably be different now than they would have been had Newcastle not cheated. A total piss take. Also almost certainly going to be played mid week at some point, which is always harder/sometimes not possible with my two young kids so we might not even get to see the game. Really annoyed by this.

Run out of posts today so edit to say to answer below, we won't have KWP because cumulative yellow card suspensions can only be cleared in the same comp - that is my understanding anyway. 

Edited 31 December, 2021 by Mattster

[Saint_clark]

Just now, Mattster said:

But we won't have KWP, who would have served his suspension over the Newcastle game. Not a huge issue, but these are all the knock on effects so things will inevitably be different now than they would have been had Newcastle not cheated. A total piss take. Also almost certainly going to be played mid week at some point, which is always harder/sometimes not possible with my two young kids so we might not even get to see the game. Really annoyed by this.

We'll have KWP back too, they'll be suspended for the Swansea game.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Does the premier league actually have a formula for calling a game off? Can they independently validate any tests. This potentially undermines the competition's integrity. Of course if the situation was reversed I would be willing on a cancellation but that does not mean that is right.

[beatlesaint]

7 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

We'll have KWP back too, they'll be suspended for the Swansea game.

No we wont, KWP is suspended for five bookings so the suspension only counts in that competition (PL), he will miss Wolves (unless Brentford is slotted in 11/12 Jan).

Salisu's sending off means he misses the next match regardless of the competition.

We should have Tino back however from his knee problem.  

Edited 31 December, 2021 by beatlesaint

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I think everybody knew the minute Howe started whinging about injuries after the Man Utd game that the chances of them fulfilling the Everton and Saints fixtures were minimal.

They have played the system, lets just hope they dont benefit from doing so long term. 

It was obvious it would happen, despite what some on here said. It’s disgraceful really but the PL have set a precedent and all clubs will be at in. Odds on that in a few weeks time they’ll bring in regulations when we are badly hit and we’ll be forced to play. 

[John Boy Saint]

Just now, beatlesaint said:

I think everybody knew the minute Howe started whinging about injuries after the Man Utd game that the chances of them fulfilling the Everton and Saints fixtures were minimal.

They have played the system, lets just hope they dont benefit from doing so long term. 

Of course it will - the Premier League is all about the Product, Newcastle are perfect for the product right now. Forget the gnashing of teeth over Saudi practices not being in line with much of the rest of the world, that was all smoke and mirrors to hide the passing of brown envelopes. 
Newcastle have £139m to spend this window, and if Howe doesn’t raid Bournemouth for Solanke, and the like from elsewhere. They potentially have the tools to assemble a team to mix things up at the top and create a bit of a story outside the usual “big six” for the Premier League to razzle dazzle, and there being no danger of falling foul of FFP.

We are just mere cannon fodder to feed the Premier League Spectacular show.