Saints vs Newcastle - Postponed

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, whelk said:

And we had the discussion and concluded it is is shit up north

"The North" is so much more than 30 thousand pissed up Geordies at St James' Park on a freezing February evening . with an Easterly blowing in off Scandinavia. But the sort of level of Prima Donna their fans think they are going to sign aren't going to see beyond that. European football, at any level, is years away for the Toon, so their attractiveness is severely restricted.

Edited 28 December, 2021 by badgerx16

[Toadhall Saint]

6 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Theyll want to postpone very game, which gives them the best chances of bringing in 25 players between now and the end of Jan. Shouldnt; be allowed, and its a comple joke, but when was the FA a fair ground?

Don’t know about the FA but the PL is a bit of a circus at the mo.

Edited 28 December, 2021 by Toadhall Saint

[Koolman]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59814015

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, JRM said:

Agree mate pure corruption 

No doubt the Saudis will make sure  whoever makes these decisions receives a nice Christmas hamper as a thank you 

Oh look a gammon full of sovereigns

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Koolman said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59814015

Has that been verified?

[Whitey Grandad]

I’m in two minds about this one. I booked a holiday flight for the Sunday and then the bastards moved the game from Saturday so I shall miss it. If it’s rearranged then I should be able to go but on the other hand the greedy bastards should be made to turn up and play.

[OttawaSaint]

12 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Theyll want to postpone very game, which gives them the best chances of bringing in 25 players between now and the end of Jan. Shouldnt; be allowed, and its a comple joke, but when was the FA a fair ground?

I think it'$ impo$$ible to know why the EPL would agree to thi$...

[Lord Duckhunter]

Do people really think clubs can just make up injuries or Covid cases and the league will say “ok it’s off”. It’s not some big conspiracy, they’ll be criteria and if you meet that, the game will be off. The last thing the league want is a fixture pile up. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

I cannot believe that they aren't able to field a team. It's utter bollocks. 

[badgerx16]

According to Transfermarkt they have 5 injuries, in a squad of 27 - with 5 named GKs. How can they not find 13 plus a goalie ? They must have a reserve team to borrow a couple from, ,like everybody else has to.

Edited 28 December, 2021 by badgerx16

[CB Fry]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

Has that been verified?

Waiting for John McGinn to confirm.

[Sarisbury Saint]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Waiting for John McGinn to confirm.

Who’s he ?

[Sarisbury Saint]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Do people really think clubs can just make up injuries or Covid cases and the league will say “ok it’s off”. It’s not some big conspiracy, they’ll be criteria and if you meet that, the game will be off. The last thing the league want is a fixture pile up. 

Sorry, but not buying this.

Something very fishy going on.

[nta786]

For all the conspiracists out there, Newcastle have played 19 games and Thursdays fixture is the first one they’ve had off.

Unless the conspirators are suggesting that Newcastle had planned their covid outbreak to coincide with more winnable fixtures because they’d written off their last 4 fixtures already (Utd, City, Liverpool, Leicester), then perhaps there is an argument. 

For the record though, I do think the PL will call off Sunday because 4/5 days usually isn’t enough to contain an outbreak, but it does make me wonder is the PL verifying these PCR tests or do they simply just take the respective club doctors’ word for it?! Otherwise there really is room to manipulate. 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, nta786 said:

For all the conspiracists out there, Newcastle have played 19 games and Thursdays fixture is the first one they’ve had off.

Unless the conspirators are suggesting that Newcastle had planned their covid outbreak to coincide with more winnable fixtures because they’d written off their last 4 fixtures already (Utd, City, Liverpool, Leicester), then perhaps there is an argument. 

For the record though, I do think the PL will call off Sunday because 4/5 days usually isn’t enough to contain an outbreak, but it does make me wonder is the PL verifying these PCR tests or do they simply just take the respective club doctors’ word for it?! Otherwise there really is room to manipulate. 

 

It’s the big money takeover that raises suspicions.

[nta786]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Do people really think clubs can just make up injuries or Covid cases and the league will say “ok it’s off”. It’s not some big conspiracy, they’ll be criteria and if you meet that, the game will be off. The last thing the league want is a fixture pile up. 

I think they might be willing to be more lenient with clubs not involved in European games, cos there are a number of midweeks they could squeeze them in.

I think what the league really want is to try to keep Sky/BT as happy as possible, and reduce any possibility of a rebate for not delivering their product.

 

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, nta786 said:

For all the conspiracists out there, Newcastle have played 19 games and Thursdays fixture is the first one they’ve had off.

Unless the conspirators are suggesting that Newcastle had planned their covid outbreak to coincide with more winnable fixtures because they’d written off their last 4 fixtures already (Utd, City, Liverpool, Leicester), then perhaps there is an argument. 

For the record though, I do think the PL will call off Sunday because 4/5 days usually isn’t enough to contain an outbreak, but it does make me wonder is the PL verifying these PCR tests or do they simply just take the respective club doctors’ word for it?! Otherwise there really is room to manipulate. 

 

Even more room to manipulate if they include other injuries, they can make up whatever they want.

Gary Neville is right when he says it’s dodgy that clubs ask for a postponement, then when it is turned down end up fielding an almost full strength side.

[JRM]

20 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Do people really think clubs can just make up injuries or Covid cases and the league will say “ok it’s off”. It’s not some big conspiracy, they’ll be criteria and if you meet that, the game will be off. The last thing the league want is a fixture pile up. 

Did you know the word gullible doesn't exist in the dictionary? 

Geordies have best players out injured ahead of two big games for them, transfer window opens next week, chequebook at the ready. 

Hopefully we play them end of the season,  I'd love it if they have to come here to get something and we relegate them 

[Lord Duckhunter]

6 minutes ago, nta786 said:

but it does make me wonder is the PL verifying these PCR tests or do they simply just take the respective club doctors’ word for it?! Otherwise there really is room to manipulate. 

 

Id imagine the leagues worst nightmare is creating an environment where clubs are willing to play players who should be isolating. The shit will really hit the fan, with both the Government & public opinion. So there probably do lean towards believing the clubs. I don’t think they believe one club over the others or favour particular clubs. They’re really in a no win situation. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, JRM said:

Did you know the word gullible doesn't exist in the dictionary? 

Geordies have best players out injured ahead of two big games for them, transfer window opens next week, chequebook at the ready. 

Hopefully we play them end of the season,  I'd love it if they have to come here to get something and we relegate them 

Why was Brentford game off? Perhaps it’s their massive influence and cheque book. 

[JRM]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Id imagine the leagues worst nightmare is creating an environment where clubs are willing to play players who should be isolating. The shit will really hit the fan, with both the Government & public opinion. So there probably do lean towards believing the clubs. I don’t think they believe one club over the others or favour particular clubs. They’re really in a no win situation. 

Newcastle have a TWENTY FIVE man squad PLUS u23s , they are forfeiting the game as they they don't fancy it without their best players 

[JRM]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Why was Brentford game off? Perhaps it’s their massive influence and cheque book. 

It should have been on, Premier league have lost control and being played by clubs to manage a congested fixture list when key players are out 

[Turkish]

What are the actual rules for postponement? Didn’t Chelsea ask for their game to be postponed then basically field a full strength team And win away quite comfortably? I’m sure the premier league have a way of validating these claims of covid and injuries so that their system is not open to abuse as we all know it’s an entirely transparent and open league when equality of clubs is paramount importance. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

 

[whelk]

Just now, Turkish said:

What are the actual rules for postponement? Didn’t Chelsea ask for their game to be postponed then basically field a full strength team And win away quite comfortably? I’m sure the premier league have a way of validating these claims of covid and injuries so that their system is not open to abuse as we all know it’s an entirely transparent and open league when equality of clubs is paramount importance. 

It is meant to be 13 + keeper. Middlesbrough got relegated as result of their deduction for deciding they didn’t have enough fit players.

Now at pathetic situation full of manipulation of managing injuries and suspensions 

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, JRM said:

Newcastle have a TWENTY FIVE man squad PLUS u23s , they are forfeiting the game as they they don't fancy it without their best players 

Exactly. They are a very poor team without Wilson and saints maximin, you’d fancy us and Everton to beat them without them which would put us 13 points clear of them with 18 matches left, if we didn’t finish above them In those circumstances then we deserve to go down. They’ll want Newcastle in the premier league for the money and TV rights in Arab countries 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

 

It won’t happen. Hayden will be back and they’ll only be one player down from last night even with Wilson and Saint Maximin out. Plus the game is on Sunday so possibly have their covid players back. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Will a club that gets relegated instead of Newcastle have a case against the Premier League? The cheque book power they have in the window should ensure that they stay up. If it doesn't then Howe is a worse manage then we  all thought

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is meant to be 13 + keeper. Middlesbrough got relegated as result of their deduction for deciding they didn’t have enough fit players.

Now at pathetic situation full of manipulation of managing injuries and suspensions 

And is that 13 of their named 25 or 13 in the whole club? I remember we had to field basically a bench of u23 players last season as we had so many injuries. 

[Saint Matty 76]

I just cannot understand how injuries factor into anything.

It should be percentage of your team with Covid, nothing to do with injuries. These lot are getting away with it because their best two players got injured. Absolute fucking joke.

They need to provide exact numbers.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Will a club that gets relegated instead of Newcastle have a case against the Premier League?

Don’t be so fucking stupid. Something like 17/18 games have been postponed with more to come. They’ll be laughed out of court if anyone tries to claim this one is different. 

[VictiAbNonem]

So is the Swansea game going to be in an empty stadium?

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

I just cannot understand how injuries factor into anything.

It should be percentage of your team with Covid, nothing to do with injuries. These lot are getting away with it because their best two players got injured. Absolute fucking joke.

They need to provide exact numbers.

 

They shouldn’t whatsoever but PL are shitting themselves about clubs moaning. Used to be the show must go on approach. Just hope Newcastle get fucked with fixture congestion. Hate that fucking club

[JRM]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

And is that 13 of their named 25 or 13 in the whole club? I remember we had to field basically a bench of u23 players last season as we had so many injuries. 

Exactly mate, we were fielding players like Tchaptchetat  away at Man Utd last year that geezers even given up playing football now 

[badgerx16]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10330177/Premier-League-clubs-told-games-played-14-players-fit.html

 

"The Premier League’s position was outlined clearly: clubs were told no postponements would be permitted where 13 outfield players and one goalkeeper from the squad list were available.

If fewer than that are available, ‘appropriately experienced Under 21s’ must be used to reach that number. Any Under 21 player who has started a first-team match in the current or preceding season will be eligible.

Clubs were also advised that the Premier League board would not consider ‘subjective factors’, such as the quality or experience of available versus unavailable players and if a team is lacking in a particular outfield position.

And — in a stark warning — should any side deem a player unavailable due to injury, the league’s chief medical officer may inquire to ‘confirm status’."

Edited 28 December, 2021 by badgerx16

[JRM]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10330177/Premier-League-clubs-told-games-played-14-players-fit.html

 

"The Premier League’s position was outlined clearly: clubs were told no postponements would be permitted where 13 outfield players and one goalkeeper from the squad list were available.

If fewer than that are available, ‘appropriately experienced Under 21s’ must be used to reach that number. Any Under 21 player who has started a first-team match in the current or preceding season will be eligible.

Clubs were also advised that the Premier League board would not consider ‘subjective factors’, such as the quality or experience of available versus unavailable players and if a team is lacking in a particular outfield position.

And — in a stark warning — should any side deem a player unavailable due to injury, the league’s chief medical officer may inquire to ‘confirm status’."

Premier league trying to sound like they are in control, clearly they are being played 

[OttawaSaint]

Typical, they are ripe for a beating right now but trying desperately to get it called off so they can bolster the team with a fat checkbook. The should be forced to play us in the rearranged games with only the players they have now. 

EPL must be getting backhanders from the Arabs.

Edited 28 December, 2021 by OttawaSaint

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, JRM said:

Premier league trying to sound like they are in control, clearly they are being played 

The premier league where the former chairman once said “the poor form for Man United hurts premier league tv figures”

tells you all you need to know about the integrity of the league 

[Dusic]

Newcastle have 4 (four) covid cases apparently.

[badgerx16]

I wonder if the PL would disclose to other teams exactly what a team asking for a postponement had submitted to them. Is there a chance that legal action might be invoked if they feel Newcastle, or anybody else, is playing for time to gain an advantage.

 

EDIT :- I meant clubs invoking legal action.

Edited 28 December, 2021 by badgerx16

[Turkish]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

I wonder if the PL would disclose to other teams exactly what a team asking for a postponement had submitted to them. Is there a chance that legal action might be invoked if they feel Newcastle, or anybody else, is playing for time to gain an advantage.

We had 3 the last two games so why weren’t we demanding the game called off?

[aintforever]

20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

should any side deem a player unavailable due to injury, the league’s chief medical officer may inquire to ‘confirm status’."

'may inquire to confirm status'. Fuck me, all Eddie Howe has to do is say he can't name 13 players and it's called off - what a joke.

Just need a few players to say "gaffer I've picked up a knock" and they get to re-arrange to suit them.

Edited 28 December, 2021 by aintforever

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Dusic said:

 

Newcastle have 4 (four) covid cases apparently.

 

We had 3 the last two games 

[Koolman]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Has that been verified?

According to BBC  site it has.

[Whitey Grandad]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We had 3 the last two games 

I think it’s not so much a question of how many cases but more a matter of how many unvaccinated players have to self-isolate for seven days (was ten days before).

[Pamplemousse]

We're 10 points ahead of Newcastle. We're not one of their relegation rivals. Not bothered about when we play them, we'll win.

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I think it’s not so much a question of how many cases but more a matter of how many unvaccinated players have to self-isolate for seven days (was ten days before).

Given they apparently do not have such rules at present, perhaps the PL could adopt the same protocols for unvaxxed players as the NFL have.

 

"What protocols do unvaccinated players have to follow?

The most prominent requirement comes with testing. Unvaccinated players are required to test daily, as opposed to weekly tests required of vaccinated players. Vaccinated players, however, could ask for increased testing, if desired.

Unvaccinated players are required to wear face masks at all times while at the team's facilities and are also required to observe social distancing. The mask usage also applies when in teams' weight rooms. Unvaccinated players are not allowed to eat meals with teammates and cannot do any media or marketing opportunities when traveling. They also aren't allowed to use the sauna or steam rooms in the team facilities and are not allowed to leave the team hotel or have any outside interactions with people on the road who are not affiliated with their respective team.

The lockers of unvaccinated players are required to be six feet apart from the ones of other players. Unvaccinated players are also prohibited from traveling on team charters and must make their way to road games separately. Upon landing, they need to show negative COVID-19 tests in order to rejoin the team. Upon arrival, unvaccinated players are not allowed to eat with the rest of their teammates and are not allowed to mingle with other teammates. They also are barred from using a hotel's common spaces, such as the pool.

They are restricted from attending indoor events — such as bars, nightclubs, concerts or other events — with more than 15 people where masks were not being worn.

Unvaccinated players are also subject to a five-day quarantine period if they are deemed to be close contacts of a person infected with COVID-19."

"If an unvaccinated player tests positive for COVID-19, they are required to isolate for a minimum of 10 days away from the team facility. While in isolation, players are not allowed to have any direct contact with teammates or personnel. That isolation could be extended if the player exhibits symptoms after the 10 days. Players are requited to show two negative PCR tests that are 24 hours apart to be cleared to return to the facility."

 

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/11/04/nfl-covid-vaccine-aaron-rodgers-rules/6284838001/

[Teddeer]

Wonder whether they'd be trying to call games off if Wilson and ASM had not picked up injuries and they'd gone on to beat Man Utd as they should have done. Eddie Howe would have been crowing and they'd have been chomping at the bit to play the next games whether they had a few out through covid or not. Smacks of cheating the system.

[saintrich]

They had 8 subs vs man utd, 2 of which were youth who haven't ever played so dont technically meet guidelines if they wish to call off and 2 gk. So of 19 players, it makes 16 really. Minus 2 injuries of ASM and Wilson makes 14. (13 +1 spare gk) meaning the game 'could' go ahead. So would have had to have at least one new covid case.